ive read, re-read, and read again how to go about updating the radio to the newest version to be able to flash 2.2 roms. although the instructions are clear, is there a second set, or clearer set available? i just want to make sure im 100% clear about what im doing before i do it. im not new to flashing roms (did it on my moto droid) just never did something that had the potential to brick my device.
secondly, how easy is it to handle all of this on a macbook? my pc doesnt recognize my phone when i plug it in, but my macbook does so i'd be doing this from that laptop.
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My 2 cents ... wait for the official OTA to come out and then wait a little more for unrEVOked to enable root.
If you are concerned with bricking then I certainly wouldn't go through all the pain, suffering and risk just to install a prerelease radio (which is fairly old, by the way) and then to install beta releases. These forums are now littered with people posting bugs (which no one will fix ... because its a beta/prerelease ROM) and posting workarounds ... but the BEST workaround is to just wait for the actual release instead of playing around here.
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My 2 cents ... wait for the official OTA to come out and then wait a little more for unrEVOked to enable root.
If you are concerned with bricking then I certainly wouldn't go through all the pain, suffering and risk just to install a prerelease radio (which is fairly old, by the way) and then to install beta releases. These forums are now littered with people posting bugs (which no one will fix ... because its a beta/prerelease ROM) and posting workarounds ... but the BEST workaround is to just wait for the actual release instead of playing around here.
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Gmail - fixed
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What is it that hasn't been fixed? The performance of my phone on 2.1 versus the performance on 2.2 is greatly noticed. Above and beyond that, the "official" 2.2 release has already been stated, by unrevoked directly, that it will be very difficult to root, due to new security measures put into place.
I mean, the walk-throughs that are available on what to do are about as straightforward as can be, there are not "clearer" directions than the step-by-steps you've already read. I was wary of it too, but honestly, once you perform the steps, you'll look back and think "damn, that was alot of fuss about nothing."
Ugh
That's why I said it was my 2 cents.
I stand by my belief ... we now have a forum which is devastated by posts of leaked beta OTA's, people posting bug reports on leaked beta OTA's, people posting solutions to bug reports on leaked beta OTA's, and then the king of them all ... people cooking custom roms based on leaked beta OTA's (which then, in turn creates posts on bugs on cooked roms based on leaked beta OTA's ...).
While this is all well and good, once the OTA comes out *IF IT IS ROOTABLE* what use will any of the beta roms be (or the posts they spawned). The answer is none. While that is ALSO well and good (since this is a dev site), we have a decent amount of people bricking because the steps involve upgrading the radio ... to a beta no less and THAT is where the risk/reward equation is out of whack on this whole exercise.
SO ... I am simply saying, in response to the OP, that the fairly complicated steps and the inherent risk in upgrading the (beta) radio to get the (beta) OTA; may be outweighed by the fact that an OTA will be around the corner and will probably be infinitely less risky for the payoff. The only way there is no payoff is if it can't be (ultimately) rooted.
Thanks for the post, and the answers. I had thought that staying on 2.1, ignoring the OTA 2.2, and wait for the rooted 2.2 to be released before installing it would make things easier. I guess I was wrong.
I installed the new roms without the ota. Camcorder is broken but everything else works.. no risk that way
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Hi all
Actually the subject speaks it self but,
As you probably know, after you install a custom ROM, you'll lose OTA eligibility which includes flash support for browser, bug fixes and much more.
Still, I know you'll keep on installing custom ROMs... So Convince me to install a custom ROM...
you lose (I was wrong you get OTA on custom roms) ota but anything OTA is gonna be on this site in seconds
When you are ready to void your warranty then install a custom ROM. What makes you think that these OTA updates won't magically find a place into custom ROMs?
With a custom ROM you get root access. You will never have root access with an OTA ROM, if you know enough about android and how to use root access then that should be enough for you.
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Hi all
Actually the subject speaks it self but,
As you probably know, after you install a custom ROM, you'll lose OTA eligibility which includes flash support for browser, bug fixes and much more.
Still, I know you'll keep on installing custom ROMs... So Convince me to install a custom ROM...
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Chances are, anything included in an OTA update will be on XDA (by way of custom ROMS) before it hits phones via OTA. For example, multi-touch in the browser was already in Cyanogen's Rom (and possibly others). Sure, maps didn't have it, but only cause Cyanogen didn't enable it yet, posssibly because he figured Google would get to it in a short time anyway, who knows. The patch to enable full access to your memory was here first as well, and (at this time) we still don't know if today's OTA update includes this. Lots of other reasons to root, but if all you're worried about is getting OTA updates, you can stop worrying.
In fairness I've not noticed any performance increase on my Nexus One, since adding the Cyanogen rom on Sunday.
There are a few more apps, some extra options, and a really dodgy multitouch in the browser app, but I have to admit I don't really think it was worth it for me.
Fortunately I've got the nandroid backup of my stock rom, so in a week or so I'll probably restore that and get the OTA updates anyway...
the difference between cooked multitouch and the native one in the OTA is quite noticeable.
rather than estimating the pinch to zoom (like on the Hero/Sense UI) the new 2.1-update1 is extremely accurate zooming where your fingers are placed, as well as being smooth as butter.
Raymond77 said:
In fairness I've not noticed any performance increase on my Nexus One, since adding the Cyanogen rom on Sunday.
There are a few more apps, some extra options, and a really dodgy multitouch in the browser app, but I have to admit I don't really think it was worth it for me.
Fortunately I've got the nandroid backup of my stock rom, so in a week or so I'll probably restore that and get the OTA updates anyway...
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Is this possible? I think once you rooted, you can't get the OTAs anymore
if you are rooted but have stock bootloader and stock rom you can receive OTA updates still, and still install them aswell,
You do know that the features included in the official OTA that just was released a few days ago have already been placed into most of the available ROMs, when you root, you're really not "losing" the ability to get OTAs, you just are losing the ability to get them automatically sent to your phone. It just means you must install then manually, or, i.e, update the ROM your using.
When Flash 10.1 comes, do not worry, it will be in every ROM in a matter of hours. Or even before it is officially released - everything is possible after rooting. Also, after rooting, you are allowed to just do "more". Like have custom trackball colors, Nexus Torch, other apps that require ROOT access - and, for those who like installing different Android Builds, like Sense, that is all possible too.
rooting is more of a warranty issue then anything else.
this should do it look at the bottom 281 megs of free memory
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this should do it look at the bottom 281 megs of free memory
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Yep. But free memory is memory not being used for anything, so what's the point? It's an e-peen thing, like the guys who build triple SLI I7 gaming rigs with 12 gigs and use it to run WoW.
But one thing to consider is that an OTA update is generally well tested. Cooked ROMs are frequently not. The current Cyanogen 5.0 "stable" one has gone through three revisions in one day or so to correct for things that would normally be caught in a regression test pass for the "real bits."
The advantages of staying stock is that GOOG, HTC and TMO will have releases processes in place, quality gates for changes to pass, etc that the cooked rom scene does not.
The advantage of going rooted with a custom rom is you get new cool stuff sooner.
So. Root, nandroid and then try it out. If you don't like the result, restore. Done.
I'm running Cyan 5 beta 4. Have not installed the "stable" release build as I'm waiting for the bug churn to slow.
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this should do it look at the bottom 281 megs of free memory
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What software is that?
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What software is that?
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Advanced Task Manager.
Looking over the whole net to get an answer to this question.
What are the benefits of going rooted and installing a custom rom?
There is totally NO answer, cause the answer that EVERYBODY gives "you gain all the benefits of have your phone rooted" is just not an answer. What ar those benefits damn?
I know there's no straight answer, but I am looking for some examples....things that will show me some actual benefits in everyday use. And please dont give me the second most popular answer "you are able to install custom Roms"....
Yes...ok....but I want examples of the benefits of that, too...
(I have rooted my phone and installed Leedroid rom......and still trying to figure out why all that fuzz...)
Theres a whole search engine out there.
You serious? You necro'd a year and a half old thread to ask this?
If you go to any custom rom thread in this forum, you will be given access to a list of features.
Or you could google the rom in question, an example might be "Cyanogenmod features"
This was the second result:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Features
You say you have leedroid, which makes me suspect that A: you don't have a Nexus One, and B: You should have read the first post of the thread, where the features of the custom rom are included
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842802
Rooting gives you all the features of the custom rom you choose to install. Every rom has it's own set of features, which may explain why there is no single 'answer' you are looking for.
Rooting without installing a custom rom limits you to extra features like Nandroid back ups, and things like setCPU.
thanks for taking the time to reply. I figured that I was on a wrong phone thread only after I posted (I have HTC desire). I guess I have to spend some time with my rooted+rom phone to understand the real benefits myself.
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Sounds like you are just lazy to me. You don't want to go read up like everyone else did. I say stick w/ stock rom so you don't make another thread that asking to convince you to go to a particular rom or just a bunch of random questions that are in stickies.
If you don't root, you don't get the 'H'!! LOL
If you ask everyone the forum, why they rooted their phone, 1/2 will not know why.
Some, surprisingly, believe they need to root their phone to get the 'H' to get faster internet speed.
Some believe their 'stock, non-rooted' phone always gets 'H' and that is how it comes from the store.
Some believe that if you root your phone, it will transform into a power ranger.
There are 2 reasons to root your phone as I see it
To access hardware you otherwise couldn't
To extend the life of your device by installing the latest/greatest custom ROM
For example, a stock N1 without root access can not utilize trackball wake, so if that is important to you, gain root access to the phone.
Also, the N1 is getting a little long in the tooth by smartphone standards and Google will presumably stop pushing updates one day. So if Android v5.0 is important to you, you will need root access to install CyanogenMod 9, which might help you squeeze more functionality from the phone.
The rest is software stuff. Notification power widgets, overclocking, toggle GPS via software are all dependent on root. But these things are just "niceties" and aren't necessarily limiting your hardware, IMO.
Yes iknow it is impossible to answer, but since this is my first samsung device i have no clue how they do this, do they normaly release small software updates often, or few big ones a while?
Seing that P1000XXJM6 is leaked ( im all new on the galaxy tab forum, might be a newer one) makes me think that samsung will soon release a update with the changes?
i mean they cant wait for the android 2.3 update can they? If browser problems have been fixed and so on then i really want to root and get the newest version asap, but if i could wait a few weeks and get a official one, then i would.
If i start rooting and all, should i then feel safe about the future of my device, in other words, if samsung releases official firmware, will i be able to get it through xda? ( my guess is, yes but i would love an answer anyway)
let me say it like this:
do you really think if there is an official 2.3 released before some inofficial leaks will hit the ground? i don´t think so. anyway, if you are able to install a leak, for sure you will be able to install new official......
so why wait?
Dude that was not what i said. I was just. Wondering about samsung would release a update soon since there is this much improved new version out i mean wouldn't that make sense?
Well i wanna root and go custom but i see so many with problems and it seems like some loose features aswell like phone? Just want to have prober firmware on my tab and i thought that the whole root and flash thing would get better, safer and more polished? Maybe im all wrong, just through things where so much easier in the winmo days, maybe i just need to adapt, and get into it.
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if you think something makes sense, then wait...
if you have no experience with android flashing firmwares and/or rooting so you have to choose between staying "legal" and waiting with kies that samsung releases and you learn nothing as trust in big god samsung, or
-> you read 2 days and when you have it clear just try. you can go out as loser with a totally bricked tab or you win and have newer firmware and perhaps also more "freedom" on your device.
but if you choose the first way-> you will never know what it is and just keep talking about problems THE OTHERS has, dude.....
i could solve every described problem til now, because in this forum you find a lot of answers if you´re patiently reading and looking for......
Thanks for answering, just did not like your tone, i HAVE read most of the important treads and it is still not totally clear to me since there is so many different responses and you say you can solve everything while rooted, well, i really doubt that, i am not stupid neither naive.
Just wanted to know how Samsung usually did it with updates to their phones ( now tablet). Did not want a lecture, since i do not really need one, or at least not like that
Like i wrote i was thinking of rooting, but i was just wondering if i could expect Samsung to do updates to fix bugs in the nearest future, since the firmware version is already out there or if i might wait til thier 2.3 update to get anything.
I did not mean to be rude btw sorry if it came out that way.
Forgive the terminology if it's wrong, but I currently have 1.0 autonooter and pressing home ('n') lets me go from the regular nook color to my Zeam launcher. Is there something like this yet for the new 1.2 NookColor update? I see lots of threads talking about CM7 but nothing for this kind of setup. Has a new autonooter simply not been developed yet?
It's been 1 day since the 1.2 update came out. Have some patience.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051235
So far there is a modified stock ROM with non-market APK installing possible and root access, but there's a lot of other work to be done still.
I'm not an android developer but I gleaned that much from simply reading in the 1.2 threads.
It took a couple of weeks for the autonooter to be really perfected, and before that there was nooter (which I used).
Honestly, sometimes a firmware update on any device hardly causes any kind of delay and just as many times a new root method has to be developed altogether so given that these things vary from device to device and from update to update I don't think I really deserved the "have some patience" comment. I think it was a fair question. Sometimes people get this sense of entitlement around here just because they happen to know more about things than some of us. Anyway, thanks for answering.
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Honestly, sometimes a firmware update on any device hardly causes any kind of delay and just as many times a new root method has to be developed altogether so given that these things vary from device to device and from update to update I don't think I really deserved the "have some patience" comment. I think it was a fair question. Sometimes people get this sense of entitlement around here just because they happen to know more about things than some of us. Anyway, thanks for answering.
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I'm also waiting for the new 1.2 to be (auto-) nootered, so was hoping for some sort of an update in terms of how the nooter-development is going for the new update. I agree that it is a fair question - sometimes jailbreak/root appears within hours of an update, sometimes it takes days but there is always some sort of info. Granted, our nook color is not an iPhone or a droid/evo and has nookie froyo, CM7 and even HC but I want to stick with rooted stock because it fits my needs.
Um...don't understand why you guys wouldn't just go over to the development section and check for yourselves for an update. Maybe that's part of the reason for the terseness in the reply.
I also think it was a little impatient when you couple the timing with not only the lack of an effort to see the myriad posts regarding the topic with the fact that this isn't just a "firmware upgrade", it's a whole new OS version (2.1->2.2).
To each his own though, just understand why your question could have engendered such a response.
In the meantime, there is no autonooter for 1.2 yet, although a mostly functional manual nooter has been developed. The market seems to be causing major issues and I would strongly advise waiting until the dust settles.
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In the meantime, there is no autonooter for 1.2 yet, although a mostly functional manual nooter has been developed. The market seems to be causing major issues and I would strongly advise waiting until the dust settles.
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Dev section is full of other threads on other subjects making the search more difficult. Thanks for the update.
So the past week has been complete chaos in this forum and I find myself asking the same question over and over.
If you're a user with an unlocked bootloader and a custom recovery, why in the name of all that you hold sacred would you want to go to Motorola's latest release? (I would understand if this was the official ICS Release, but it's nothing more than a minor update.)
I ask this, because between the latest CM7/CM9 releases and other stable ROMs, I cannot understand why anyone would risk to so easily brick their phones just to put that cancer known as MotoBlur back into them.
Maybe I'm missing something, I just don't see myself going back to any of that or even consider the potential risks having an upside to them at all.
I for one like MotoBlur, it comes with the nuance voice commands, which is the only no-touching no-looking way of using the atrix with a bluetooth earpiece. (please, anyone, prove me wrong on this, I've given up trying)
But that aside, I want to run the latest stock rom just to experience it, and if i were to sell, stock would attract more buyers.
I risked bricking my phone to get the custom roms so it's no difference for me to take a risk on a stock rom. I just make sure I'm educated on what others have done and recommend before I take the plunge.
Well, I chose to because I want to ready the phone to sell as soon as I get a new phone but I'll leave a couple other reasons:
1. Prerogative
2. Opinion
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So the past week has been complete chaos in this forum and I find myself asking the same question over and over.
If you're a user with an unlocked bootloader and a custom recovery, why in the name of all that you hold sacred would you want to go to Motorola's latest release? (I would understand if this was the official ICS Release, but it's nothing more than a minor update.)
I ask this, because between the latest CM7/CM9 releases and other stable ROMs, I cannot understand why anyone would risk to so easily brick their phones just to put that cancer known as MotoBlur back into them.
Maybe I'm missing something, I just don't see myself going back to any of that or even consider the potential risks having an upside to them at all.
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I don't see any compelling reason for anyone with an unlocked bootloader to move to 2.3.6 either.
My phone is rooted, locked and on 2.3.6. Nothing a "must have" IMO over 2.3.4. I like motoblur...moto should really do away with the motorblur name though, bad history. I don't have many functional requirements, just stability and good battery life. The stock 2.3.6 satisfies both requirementsfor me, so no need for CM7 or custom ROMs for me. I code all day at work so the last thing I want to do is mess with flashing development ROMs on my phone .
It will be interesting when/if ICS is pushed out and how that will interact with unlocked bootloaders.
I'll probably upgrade to Nottach's latest for the sake of being upgraded. But no way am I messing with the OTA update. I'm actually more worried for my husband's phone as he's rooted with the webtop hack, but still has a locked bootloader -- if his phone screws up he doesn't have the custom recovery to flash a working rom. (Yes, I know to put the stock webtop files back & unroot it beforehand, but still.)
The ICS upgrade is going to be interesting times, methinks.
I need motos official releases because none of these custom ROMs have WebTop. I enjoy using my LapDock. The latest update seems perfectly safe as long as you do it correctly. Just download all 4 zip files in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22648699&postcount=577
Then flash each one in CWM and you're good to go.
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I for one like MotoBlur, it comes with the nuance voice commands, which is the only no-touching no-looking way of using the atrix with a bluetooth earpiece. (please, anyone, prove me wrong on this, I've given up trying)
But that aside, I want to run the latest stock rom just to experience it, and if i were to sell, stock would attract more buyers.
I risked bricking my phone to get the custom roms so it's no difference for me to take a risk on a stock rom. I just make sure I'm educated on what others have done and recommend before I take the plunge.
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If you mean dragon voice you can get it with Swype or I believe on the market too. I've had my phone since it came out. As soon as the b/l was unlocked I got rid of blur and never looked back.
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If you mean dragon voice you can get it with Swype or I believe on the market too. I've had my phone since it came out. As soon as the b/l was unlocked I got rid of blur and never looked back.
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No, Dragon is not the same thing. With motoblurs stock "Voice Commands" I long press the button on my bluetooth earpiece... I say a command like "Call voicemail"... I hear the confirmation "Voicemail, Calling" and then the call is started. A double tap on my earpiece hangs it up.
This works without having to wake up or unlock my phone beforehand. Truly a hands free operation that is unmatched by any other app.
As an HVAC tech, I work with my hands, often dirty or greasy. I sometimes work in tight spaces or high off the ground where taking my phone out is not easy or a good idea. I also do a lot of driving. For these reasons this feature is very important to me and so far only blur has it.
I know CM7 & 9 are faster smoother and cooler, but the latest stock is faster and smoother than the last and it's good enough for me. But thanks, I do appreciate your suggestion.
Hello all. I am just wondering what my first steps should be. I am coming from an lg g5 that I hated because it was 100 percent locked down. But before that I had an HTC one m8 so I kind of know what I am doing. I just want to know what my first steps should be. I want root, debloat, and nougat if possible.
Thanks
You're in for an unpleasant surprise.
A.) Root sucks on this phone, it causes slowdown and tons of issues due to the root method using a shotty and early engineering kernel.
B.) No Nougat unless you wanna run the beta. Which can't be rooted at all. (An official beta from Samsung that has a few issues and was canceled after only the second build due to Verizons stubborness.)
C.) For everything else you asked for LOOK ON THE FORUMS. There are literally guides on this forum for a reason if you kind of knew what you were doing that would be step #1.
BTW I only typed A and B because I wanted to be the bearer of bad news. Yes, I'm evil like that.
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You're in for an unpleasant surprise.
A.) Root sucks on this phone, it causes slowdown and tons of issues due to the root method using a shotty and early engineering kernel.
B.) No Nougat unless you wanna run the beta. Which can't be rooted at all. (An official beta from Samsung that has a few issues and was canceled after only the second build due to Verizons stubborness.)
C.) For everything else you asked for LOOK ON THE FORUMS. There are literally guides on this forum for a reason if you kind of knew what you were doing that would be step #1.
BTW I only typed A and B because I wanted to be the bearer of bad news. Yes, I'm evil like that.
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is it worth it running the beta?
Ryan829 said:
is it worth it running the beta?
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Some people claimed it had better battery life and performance, I personally saw neither. And I also had issues with certain apps I use, including glitching and slowdown. However a good amount of people really like the beta (more than the number of people who reported issues like me), so I would tell you to try it out.
I personally use the G935U firmware on my phone. It is basically the same the ROM that is preinstalled on the unlocked version of the phone, meaning it has absolutely no bloatware, it runs smoother, has better battery life, and is slightly different in some ways because Verizon modifies our phones so much from what comes on the unlocked variant.(confirmed by everyone). And of course since it is the official firmware from the unlocked version it can be installed without rooting.
Again this is from my personal experience, so I am probably being pretty biased. This is just what I've had most luck with, I encourage you to try whatever you want on your phone and stick with what works best.
Additional guides you might want.
Link to the Beta Firmware and instructions on how to install it.
Link to how to install the U firmware on your phone.
Link to the latest U firmware. (The firmware in the above thread is old, the guide is still the same with the new firmware.)