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Does anyone know if a 3G sim (3) will work in a Wizard?

Hi, I have a unlocked Wizard & my T-Mobile contract has just expired, I was just wondering if a 3G sim (3) would work in it as there are some cheap deals on that network? I wouldn't use it for video calls so thats not a problem.

im 99% sure they DONT! however maybe someone there can prove me wrong

I'm using a Cingular 3G SIM in my 8125 with no problems at all.

sk0t said:
I'm using a Cingular 3G SIM in my 8125 with no problems at all.
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a cingular 3G sim and a "3" UK usim are not the same, one runs at 3 volts (sim) and the other at 5 Volts (usim)

Aha! More than I knew! I knew it! Thanks for correcting me..

i was having problems going on line when i first got my wizard, tried everthing even customer suport couldnt figure it out. well i finaly went to store to exchange my unit and one of the reps asked to look at the sim. sure enough thats what it was i didnt have a 3g sim. all is welll now

bigdooky said:
i was having problems going on line when i first got my wizard, tried everthing even customer suport couldnt figure it out. well i finaly went to store to exchange my unit and one of the reps asked to look at the sim. sure enough thats what it was i didnt have a 3g sim. all is welll now
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what our american brothers call a "3g" sim and what the network provider called "3" use are slightly different things.... a american 3g sim is simply a normal 128k provisioned with extra services I.e. data and video calling (this is the same way all the gsm uk networks work too) however with "3" being the first 3g only network in the world they choosed to use the next generation of sim card called a usim which don't work in lots of non 3g phones including the wizard. try googling the word "usim" to see wot I mean

Under 3's terms and conditions you are not allowed to use their sim in a 2.5g phone. If you do use one and it works, they will eventually block it and send you a new sim with a gentle reminder that you are in breach of Ts and Cs.

Cheers Chaps, 3 it isn't then!

My O2 UK 3G UMTS sim works perfectly in my Wizard.You just can`t really get the benefits from it (Faster GPRS/EDGE etc....).

Wizard airplane mode on and off on its own with gophone sim

Sorry about this post but I looked everywhere. Im usualy an android guy but a friend gave me an cingular branded wizard the other day.
Now I know these phones are old.... first sign is the fact it still says singular lol.
My problem is, I have a couple old Att 3g go phone sim cards from my iphone that still have money on them and I would like to use it up. Now I know the Wizard is unlocked because My tmobile sim card works fine as soon as it boots, But I use that in my much upgraded G1.
When I put the Att gophone sims into the wizard, it shows as cingular, but every min or so, airplane mode switches on just long enought o cancel the network then it tries to find it again. over and over for both sims, neither of which are locked to any phone.
Now if it just didnt get a signal Id be fine.
But, I go into the network settings and see it switching airplane mode on and off loosing the 3-5 bar signal I get.
I guess what I want to know is do go phone sims work on wizards? did I do something wrong? is there anyway to permanently disable airplane mode as I will never use it?

Unlocking using Rebel SIM card II - mixed results :(

New information:
It turns out that my initial enthusiasm was unfounded.
I can confirm that Rebel firmware versions 1.1 and 1.2 produce an "invalid SIM" error. Version 1.3 beta and 1.0 work initially on 2G, but further testing reveals the following problems:
- incoming calls not always received, sometimes they go straight to voicemail
- call display shows "Unknown" for certain out-of-network callers
- phone will be connected to network for several hours, anywhere from 2 to 18, but once it loses signal it can't get back on until you pop out the SIM, put it in another phone WITHOUT the Rebel SIM, make a call, send a text, leave it for 15 minutes, and then try all over again
- based on my limited testing, you can't connect AT ALL to a 3G-only network (that is, Wind and Mobilicity in Canada)... this is consistent with reports about the Rebel SIM on Android devices having issues with 3G and needing to connect on 2G first
I am sorry to anyone who jumped at any purchases as a result of my previous test results. Personally, it is with great disappointment that I'm returning my Venue Pro to Dell.
I can now confirm the only method for SIM unlock of the Dell Venue Pro (locked to T-mobile US): buy the Rebel SIM II. You can use it with your non-Tmobile SIM to send and receive calls, SMS and data! But no MMS
You will need:
Rebel SIM II (http://rebelsimcard.com/virtu/index...s&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=445&Itemid=1)
Rebel Compact Programmer (http://rebelsimcard.com/virtu/index...ategory_id=243&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)
You may also want to get the SIM cutter, which is just a fancy hole puncher - and if you're getting that, maybe one of the bundled options is best. But I used an exacto-knife to cut a notch in my SIM card.
Buy these and get them shipped to your house. (Mine took exactly one week to arrive from UK to Canada using Royal Mail, but I'm pretty close to a customs point of entry.) DHL and FedEx shipping options will be faster but more expensive.
The Rebel SIM II comes preloaded with firmware v1.2 - you will need to downgrade the firmware to v1 (http://rebelsimcard.com/virtu/images/downloads/rebel-II_v1.cardfm) using the USB compact programmer. Follow the instructions on Rebel SIM's site.
Go to cellular settings and manually select your network - it will take time to find it. Once that is connected, test out the calling and texting with a friend.
Now go back into cellular settings and click Add APN, filling in the data APN address, username and password for your carrier. After that, enable data roaming, and then enable the data connection.
EDIT: if you get booted off the network after a while, try reprogramming the Rebel SIM with firmware beta v1.3 - it worked for me after making one outgoing call and sending one text message

My experience
I'm on Rogers Canada - a network with 850/1900 MHz EDGE, and 850/1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA. Obviously I am stuck on 2G with the Venue Pro, but that's okay for now.
I ordered the above-listed products from Rebel SIM last week. I used an exacto-knife to cut a notch in the plastic end of my SIM card where the Rebel chip sticks up. Then I tried the whole thing with firmware v1.2 which comes pre-programmed on the phone, but I got an "Invalid SIM" message.
I programmed the Rebel SIM with firmware v1, and it has unlocked my Venue Pro. Now I can send/receive calls, texts, and data. I used the APN settings APN: internet.com , username: wapuser1 , password: wap . As soon as I enabled data roaming, a little "E" popped up beside my signal bars. Now I have cellular data. (EDIT: I had to switch the Rebel to beta firmware v1.3 after getting kicked off the network 18 hours later)
I'm not going to bother bugging T-mobile and Dell for an unlock code, like so many others have. Do you know why? Just look at the Dell Streak for AT&T - there are no unlock codes, and only one user (ONE!) was able to get it by talking to a string of different managers and escalating the problem through a lucky combination of people. Dell went on to sell the Streak through other global carriers and those people have been able to get unlock codes... but as far as I can tell, the only solution available for the AT&T-locked Dell Streak is Rebel SIM II. That, plus a mail-in service the same company has just started... basically they've found a way to crack the unlock code over USB.
I predict the same thing will happen with the Venue Pro. The European devices will eventually get unlock codes, either through their carriers or through third-party sites. But those of us who bought the first batch from Dell.com will be stuck with the Rebel SIM... until somebody finds a way to hack the Venue Pro into giving up its own unlock code directly.
Meantime, we can hope that the Euro-made DVP comes with some useful new software bits that we can extract as XAP files and sideload onto our devices... like an Auto Device Config (ADC) and/or MMS settings app. I can live without MMS until then.
Don't get me wrong - I think Dell's behaviour is totally wrong here. But they're a tough nut to crack, and plenty of Dell Streak users have come before us and faced the same disappointments. We're lucky the Rebel SIM works.

I am using a sim hack similar to RebelSim from my previous phone, (Sharp 904sh), and it works fine with Fido sim card. I'm able to make calls and all that on DVP. However, once I put the sim hack on Mobilicity's Sim card, it won't find the network. Under Network Selection, I can manually choose Mobilicity and CDN Roaming, but the Active Network always shows No Network no matter what I do, I am wondering if RebelSim works with Mobilicity Sim, or my Sim hack is not good enough

Thanks a lot dude
I'm ordering my Rebel SIM II right now

Will this work from t-mobile to ATT ?
I have the samsung but want to use the dell venue pro ?
and if so what bad could happen ? could I damage my sim that is in my Focus ?
if I try this and it does not work will tmobile stop working

gibbyhome said:
Will this work from t-mobile to ATT ?
I have the samsung but want to use the dell venue pro ?
and if so what bad could happen ? could I damage my sim that is in my Focus ?
if I try this and it does not work will tmobile stop working
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I can confirm it works on ATT. For some reason my data isn't working properly, but it might just be my shoddy coverage right now. I will test it in other areas (non-residential) where the signal is better. APN settings are correct.

gibbyhome said:
Will this work from t-mobile to ATT ?
I have the samsung but want to use the dell venue pro ?
and if so what bad could happen ? could I damage my sim that is in my Focus ?
if I try this and it does not work will tmobile stop working
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I have no idea - I'm no psychic and I don't work for Rebel SIM! If you follow all instructions correctly (especially those on YouTube regarding the use of the USB SIM programmer; don't try to reprogram your AT&T SIM card) I don't see how anything bad could happen.
The whole point of the Rebel SIM is that it does absolutely nothing permanent or destructive to your phone or your SIM - it just interferes with the communication between the two of them.

benjaminries: Do you think you'll be able to test your RebelSim with Mobilicity Sim card?

EDGE works on ATT, no 3g obviously due to band differences.

astranagan said:
benjaminries: Do you think you'll be able to test your RebelSim with Mobilicity Sim card?
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If somebody in Toronto gives me a Mobilicy SIM and lets me cut a hole in the plastic part, sure.
Just to let everyone know: after about 18 hours working with the new Rebel SIM, my phone all of a sudden wouldn't connect to the network. Apparently this is a problem with the STK-based firmware.
So I troubleshooted for a while, and eventually decided to try the v1.3 beta firmware. It works for me - after I make an outgoing call and outgoing text, I can get incoming calls/texts... and data works too.
Go figure.

I've had continued problems with both v1 and v1.3 - and I tried out a Wind SIM card in-store, with utterly disasterous results (no connection). See first post for details.

Sucks to hear that I'll still be keeping mine if anything just for dev purposes and then getting an android phone with WIND if I have to.
No 3G even with Rogers?

fathamburger said:
Sucks to hear that I'll still be keeping mine if anything just for dev purposes and then getting an android phone with WIND if I have to.
No 3G even with Rogers?
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There wouldn't be 3G with Rogers because Rogers uses 850/1900 for UMTS/HSPA. I think the underlying issue is that the Rebel SIM can't just jump straight onto a 3G network - it needs to try underlying 2G first.
I've still got a contract with Rogers that is up in December of this year, at which point I'd probably switch to Wind regardless. Dell tried to convince me that T-mobile would give me an unlock code after 90 days of service with them, but... I don't believe it enough to risk it. It is hard to even really get excited about the other WP7 devices... the HD7 is the only other AWS option, and the Samsung Focus seems like the only other half-decent WP7 available in North America.

Well I just got back to Canuckistan with mine, if anything I'm more pissed about the blurry camera/broken autofocus since it's ruined most of my shots while I was down in NYC.
If I didn't need it for dev purposes as well I'd be about as pissed as you are. No dice for me with the unlock code at Tmo for me either, although the staff were quite impressed by it and had never seen one before. Contrary to the many negative store clerk stories towards WP7 I've read elsewhere.
What is this 90 days of service thing, 90 days of a monthly plan? or just after 90 days if you've activated a TMo SIM, because I did do that while I was in NYC. Even my lowly $10 of credit went a lot further than any paygo plan in Canada, espec by Rogers' standards
Yeah it's a sad thing about the other WP7's as well, I'd have gotten a Focus if it was AWS compatible, at least the camera would work
So does the Rebel SIM work that way for all phones? it has to try 2G first? sadly the order for mine has just gone through

fathamburger said:
Well I just got back to Canuckistan with mine, if anything I'm more pissed about the blurry camera/broken autofocus since it's ruined most of my shots while I was down in NYC.
If I didn't need it for dev purposes as well I'd be about as pissed as you are. No dice for me with the unlock code at Tmo for me either, although the staff were quite impressed by it and had never seen one before. Contrary to the many negative store clerk stories towards WP7 I've read elsewhere.
What is this 90 days of service thing, 90 days of a monthly plan? or just after 90 days if you've activated a TMo SIM, because I did do that while I was in NYC. Even my lowly $10 of credit went a lot further than any paygo plan in Canada, espec by Rogers' standards
Yeah it's a sad thing about the other WP7's as well, I'd have gotten a Focus if it was AWS compatible, at least the camera would work
So does the Rebel SIM work that way for all phones? it has to try 2G first? sadly the order for mine has just gone through
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I dunno. I was only able to test the WIND SIM in-store with the Rebel loaded up on v1.3 - it may have worked with v1 in one of the 12 STK modes, but even then, the whole thing doesn't inspire much confidence. Even "working" meant that some people's calls to me didn't go through, some of the call display stuff didn't work, and getting booted off the cellular network after 12-18 hours was something I wasn't going to be able to test in-store either. In the end, I'm not willing to keep a phone with such problems.
If I hear of a way to properly unlock the Venue Pro, I will buy it back in a heartbeat. No other phone delivers what I grew to love about the DVP: portrait keyboard, gorilla glass screen, and WP7.

I've had Tmobile unlock 2 phones for me in the past without issue. As others have mentioned all that is required is that the phone remain active for at least 90 days. After the 90 days, they'll unlock the phone for you.
Now who knows if they have access to unlock codes for Dell phones.

No internet connection

Hi there ,
I just bought a motorola xoom 3g and have the following problem with it:
When i put my sim card in it, it asks for the pincode and when i enter it it shows a couple of highlighted bars, but when i press on that bars it shows "no internet connection"
I already configured the apn setting but i make to difference......
I can connect trough wifi and then i've internet...
Can someone please help me with this problemen which is very annoying
Thnx!!
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The sim card is strictly for 4g, look at the place holder they had in it before you put your sim in. It says "Replace with SIM only after 4g upgrade". If i were you, I would immediately take that sim card out. In order to get 3g on your xoom just take it into Verizon, they just do it automatically. I know this is correct because I am using 3g now.
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i dont think that's the problem.. i bought it in Holland (where i life). we dont have a 4g network yet. im sure it's a 3g model. And the shop gave me that SIM card. i already tried a SIM card im using in my galaxy s but that didnt work either....
the APN settings are fine, i checked and double checked it. It shows some bars when i entered the pincode but i dont see any 3g/E/G/H icon next to the signal bars....

Did you reboot after putting the SIM in? If you take it out while it's on and put it back in again it doesn't work till a reboot.

I apologize, I guess I can't really speak for outside the US. Did yours not have a placeholder at all for the Sim slot?
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Yes i reboot it, more then i can count.
On the top of the device i can put the sim in on a placeholder idd
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Hello sqx,
I have the same problem with my vodafone sim.
When i put a simcard from another provider in my xoom works the internet fine.
Have you already solved the problem?
Greats Nick

Once it's up and running. Try going into airplane mode. Give it a minute then turn off airplane mode. Then fire up the browser and try to go to google. Attempt to refresh a couple times.
I've had this happen on my 3g connection and it does get annoying but only after it sits around dormant for a while.

it still doesn't work..

Any news?
Hi All,
Im still experiencing this same issue with on my NL Xoom 3g with Vodafone (kpn and tmobile work fine).
Ive posted some stuff before.
Does anyone have an update for this issue?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117163&highlight=vodafone+3g

Dual Sim networking

Hi people,
I've searched the forum for an answer to my question, no joy so here goes on a new thread.
I recently bought myself a Chinese dual sim smart phone, named "Longhorn" (no sniggering!), but pretty sure it's better known as a STAR MTK6573. Great phone for the money, 1GB processor, all the bells and whistles. My problem is that I want to use two sim cards, one from a British network, one from a Norwegian network. Right now I'm in Norway and the Norwegian sim is working faultlessly, the British sim works when the phone is switched on first, but then after varying amounts of time the British sim drops out of service. If I turn the phone off, then restart the UK sim comes back into service but again goes off after some time, sometimes minutes, sometimes hours.
I've looked through the sim related settings but can't find a solution, and even contacted the British network operator to see if they know any answers - they don't.
I'll be going to the UK shortly so it'll be interesting to see if the Norwegian sim starts cutting service when I'm there, in the time being does anyone have any ideas for a permanent solution?
Thanks to all for reading, and musing on the problem, in anticipation.
Jon

modelman1968 said:
Hi people,
I've searched the forum for an answer to my question, no joy so here goes on a new thread.
I recently bought myself a Chinese dual sim smart phone, named "Longhorn" (no sniggering!), but pretty sure it's better known as a STAR MTK6573. Great phone for the money, 1GB processor, all the bells and whistles. My problem is that I want to use two sim cards, one from a British network, one from a Norwegian network. Right now I'm in Norway and the Norwegian sim is working faultlessly, the British sim works when the phone is switched on first, but then after varying amounts of time the British sim drops out of service. If I turn the phone off, then restart the UK sim comes back into service but again goes off after some time, sometimes minutes, sometimes hours.
I've looked through the sim related settings but can't find a solution, and even contacted the British network operator to see if they know any answers - they don't.
I'll be going to the UK shortly so it'll be interesting to see if the Norwegian sim starts cutting service when I'm there, in the time being does anyone have any ideas for a permanent solution?
Thanks to all for reading, and musing on the problem, in anticipation.
Jon
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Did you try switching the SIM-Slots ?
Are both using same freq ?
Did you used Sim-Turbo or other "perfect unlockers" ? <- im asking because after using one of those "great" inventions my SIM started to droping signal on diffrent phone (like the X-Turbo/X-Sim/Sim-Turbo) install some junk on sim...

Dual Sim
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Did you try switching the SIM-Slots ?
Are both using same freq ?
Did you used Sim-Turbo or other "perfect unlockers" ? <- im asking because after using one of those "great" inventions my SIM started to droping signal on diffrent phone (like the X-Turbo/X-Sim/Sim-Turbo) install some junk on sim...
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Hi, thanks for your answer. I haven't installed any sim "enhancing" software, and the phone is brand new. Swapping the sim slots doesn't seem to make a difference, even though only one is WDMA. I think the problem is to do with roaming from my UK sim, when the signal strength drops out the sim loses service to the roaming network, but doesn't reinstate the service when signal improves.

Update
OK, so a little progress was made! The phone only has the option to set one of the SIMs as 3g. The local SIM was set as the default and therefore had the 3g setting applied to it. If I force change the 3g to the roaming SIM the roaming SIM stays in service for longer, and is more stable but still loses service periodically (at least twice a day). Any further suggestions?

Dual Sim while roaming - solved
modelman1968 said:
OK, so a little progress was made! The phone only has the option to set one of the SIMs as 3g. The local SIM was set as the default and therefore had the 3g setting applied to it. If I force change the 3g to the roaming SIM the roaming SIM stays in service for longer, and is more stable but still loses service periodically (at least twice a day). Any further suggestions?
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OK, so I now have a working dual sim phone using two networks from two different countries. My initial headaches were all caused by the overseas network SIM. Either faulty or incompatable but after a SIM swap from the network company it now works faultlessly.