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Incredible vs Moto Droid

Question for those of you migrating from Droids, or have handled one extensively:
1. How much difference does the double memory and processor make? I mean I know it's faster by alot... but Droid was already fast, Droid has a GPU, and I've read repeatedly that nothing really uses Snapdragons power potential yet. The iPhone uses a much slower chip in 3g and 3gs, and no one seems to complain there.
2. Compare the camera for me. I hated how slow the demo model at the store's camera was on the Droid, and all my old HTC phones. The N1 I had was decent. The Incredible has been fantastic for me as for as time it takes to capture and save a pic.
3. Compare the screens. Not technical wise, and dont get all in depth if you havent handled it. How is our screen noticably better or worse? For instance I hate all OLED's complete failure in sunlight, but do like how colorful it is. And touch is noticably better on Incredible than N1, and droid seemed to have lower tech touchpad.
4. Very important: please compare how loud the speakerphone is and if voice quality on ear phone is different. I don't like HTC's speakerphones, on WM or Android, although the Incredible seems a little better than before. I've heard that the MotoDroid's is very loud and clear.

trevorwhopkins said:
For instance I hate all OLED's complete failure in sunlight, but do like how colorful it is.
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IMHO it's actually very good in direct sunlight. I was very surprised because of blanket statements like yours.
It's hardly a complete failure and much better than the last gen of screens that HTC has put out (like TP2, etc...)
I went from a moto droid to a DI. Much snappier, don't miss the keyboard, cause I use the on screen so much anyway, and it works great.
I'm really wondering where you impressions come from if you have "ask" about them.

Making sure the auto-brightness is selected helps alot with viewing the screen in direct sunlight outside. Indoors with the same option checked was a little dim for my liking but I've adjusted to it.

Your partially correct, I think the Di screen is decent in sunlight. Supposedly same as n1 but my n1 was useless in the sun. Was wondering if it was just me.
I'm asking so I can find objective advice and not my one sided opinion. However the blanket statement should have been worded differently. Oled sun glare is a real issue though, hence Samsung hyping super oled for performance in sunlight.
Thank you both for your opinions, keep them coming.
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Opine? I'm just posting my experience in sunlight
Any doubt, ask to take one outside from the store and see for yourself (if they let you!). Your definition of N1 uselessness is just your opine, too!

Have a droid overclocked to 1200mhz, and now the incredible.
Incredible is as good or better in all respects except one. The moto droid records video at a higher bit rate and it is noticeably smoother imho. BUT, the incredible records at a higher resolution.
Concerning the screen, I find no discernable difference in direct light. However, the incredible has a MUCH greater viewing angle and more vibrant colors.
shot to shot camera speeds are much better on the incredible.
I do find the incredible screen to be more responsive, and more importantly I find it more accurate.
I think one aspect of screen sizes that always gets overlooked is the aspect ratio. They are both 3.7 inch screens, but the incredible is slightly wider and shorter. When viewing videos in the common 4:3 aspect ratio, they are larger on the incredible screen. It also makes for a slightly wider keyboard in portrait mode. Both if these are advantages for me.
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I had an opportunity to play with the incredible at a verizon store. First thing that I noticed was the AMOLED screen isn't as good as I thought it would be. People here mention that the droid's screen is much sharper but it's not because of the extra 54 pixels(TP2 has the same screen size and the same resolution yet it looks a lot sharper). The incredible has some kind of a fine mesh....it's like looking at the screen through that mesh. One might think that it's an AMOLED thing but I disagree. Although some AMOLED screens have that mesh, my Samsung i8910 didn't have it. Screen resolution was considerably lower but the actual picture looked a lot sharper...and colors were better too. Don't know...it was disappointing. I hope Super AMOLED screens don't have that ugly mesh.
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the Incredible can be faster for daily use and built in features but I feel this is due to rom optimization. The reason I say that is as soon as you step away from the basics and say play a game the droid eats it up and when you use vanilla Google functions they are the same.
the camera is hands down better on the Incredible. So much in fact it is the key reason my over all opinion is that the Incredible is a better phone. The camera on the droid is so grainy I dont take pics with it. I was always disgusted by them.
As for the screens, I know there isn't a huge difference in screen size but the over all shape of the Incredible is a lot more comfortable for web viewing in my opinion. That being said, every color besides black looks better on the droid, at least to me it does. As for touch sensitivity, they are vary close and they are both finger print magnets. I was however vary disappointed to learn the Incredible screen is run of the mil glass, not gorilla glass and it doesn't have the anti finger print coating.
I have had many HTC phones and the ear piece and load speaker have always been sub par to me but the incredible is definitely better than any other HTC phone I have ever used. The ear piece is prob louder and clearer than the droid and the loud speaker is good enough but not as loud as the droid. One of my favorite things about the Droid is its beefy loud speaker.
You didn't ask but I ran the browsers against each other and even with moderate flash on the page, the incredible and the droid were about the same speed, one would be a little faster than the other and vise verse.
again you didn't ask but at least with Petes rom, the droid outlasts the incredible by a respectable about when it comes to battery life.
Hope this helps

The droid has better battery life, even overclocked 200 percent?
Also, the whole faster in basic functions thing... I would expect the Droid to do well at games, since it has a similar GPU to the IPhone, and the Incredible uses Snapdragon, which as far as I can tell just uses it's raw horsepower to process graphics.
The reason I asked these questions is because only the specs of the N1 drew me to Android, but I really missed my keyboard. And when moving to Verizon, I considered getting the Droid even though it has bottom level specs [comparatively] because of the keyboard and loud speaker. The Droid has impressive construction and quality.
All that said, I really like the Incredible. I broke two nexus ones and haaaated not having a store to go and say REPLACE MY PHONE. And the other little problems are all fixed on Incredible. I'm doing some constructive thinking haha.

Really, better droid battery life on that setting? I'm skeptical :mrgreen:
Once you use the on-screen keyboard and get used to it, you won't go back.
I used to be a physical keyboard freak. Now that something is better than iphone/tp2, etc.... I'm having a great time with a lighter weight device and fast "tapping"

Cheers all..
1. How much difference does the double memory and processor make?
A. After owning the Droid, the Incredible just feels snappier in mostly everything it does. I haven't tried many 'graphic intensive' games on either device, so I cant comment on the Droid's dedicated GPU. The "Leap" feature in Sense runs very smooth, regardless of how many widgets are loaded on the 7 home screens. While its very easy to overclock the Droid, it still seemed 'sleepy' every now and then. Things would fly, and then for no reason, slow to a sludge, then back to normal. I have found this combo of Sense + Snapdragon to run great, even after throwing all my contacts, media, and apps back on.
2. Compare the camera for me.
A. As far as the camera is concerned, this advantage goes to the Incredible. The one thing I miss from the Droid is a dedicated camera button. Using the optical joystick on the Incredible (and I mean the physical pressing of the button) can sometimes generate unwanted blur. That said, the Incredible camera offers more features, the touch to focus is nice, and the shutter speed seems much quicker. I could upload some shots from both phones if anyone would like. Quite frankly the Droid camera interface just feels old. From what I read, the Droid records better video. I suspect as time goes on someone will hack the Incredible camera to do so as well.
3. Compare the screens.
A. I had not owned an OLED screen prior to switching from the Droid to the Incredible. I wouldn't call OLED a complete failure in sunlight, but I wouldn't call it a success either. With both phones set at Max Brightness, the Droid is slightly more readable outside on a sunny day. The Incredible screen is much more vibrant, but in some cases almost too vibrant. It seems to really push the red/orange colors. In a similarly lit room, with both phones set at Max Brightness, the OLED screen on the Incredible really shines. After testing a friends N1, I can say the responsiveness of the Incredible is greatly improved and more accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Incredible has a newer digitizer.
4. Very important: please compare how loud the speakerphone is and if voice quality on ear phone is different.
A. This was a huge looming question mark for me. I loved using the Droid's speakerphone for listening to music, long winded phone conversations, and annoying coworkers. I still think the Droid has the best speakerphone on the market (for now), so props to Motorola there. Look at the back of the Incredible and you see a small, underwhelming speaker hole. However the speaker on the Incredible is pleasantly surprising. While it's not as loud as the Droid, it's equally clear, and in my opinion, provides a fuller sound. Voice quality is pretty much the same on both devices, but the Incredible earpiece could be a bit louder.
Overall, I'm very pleased with the Incredible so far. I'm definitely a tinkerer (hence, here I am at xda) and try to monitor ongoing processes and such, but I haven't cared to with the Incredible. Why? I loaded it up with widgets, tunes, pictures, videos, apps.. and it's still smooth sailing

trevorwhopkins said:
The droid has better battery life, even overclocked 200 percent?
Also, the whole faster in basic functions thing... I would expect the Droid to do well at games, since it has a similar GPU to the IPhone, and the Incredible uses Snapdragon, which as far as I can tell just uses it's raw horsepower to process graphics.
The reason I asked these questions is because only the specs of the N1 drew me to Android, but I really missed my keyboard. And when moving to Verizon, I considered getting the Droid even though it has bottom level specs [comparatively] because of the keyboard and loud speaker. The Droid has impressive construction and quality.
All that said, I really like the Incredible. I broke two nexus ones and haaaated not having a store to go and say REPLACE MY PHONE. And the other little problems are all fixed on Incredible. I'm doing some constructive thinking haha.
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My droid has better battery life apples to apples but there is now a trick to "really" fully charge the Incredible that I am trying and it seems to be a night and day difference. I will get back to you when I have a few days to compare

trevorwhopkins said:
The droid has better battery life, even overclocked 200 percent?
Also, the whole faster in basic functions thing... I would expect the Droid to do well at games, since it has a similar GPU to the IPhone, and the Incredible uses Snapdragon, which as far as I can tell just uses it's raw horsepower to process graphics.
The reason I asked these questions is because only the specs of the N1 drew me to Android, but I really missed my keyboard. And when moving to Verizon, I considered getting the Droid even though it has bottom level specs [comparatively] because of the keyboard and loud speaker. The Droid has impressive construction and quality.
All that said, I really like the Incredible. I broke two nexus ones and haaaated not having a store to go and say REPLACE MY PHONE. And the other little problems are all fixed on Incredible. I'm doing some constructive thinking haha.
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You won't be disappointed with the Moto Droid. The Incredible is a beast, and slightly more refined UI. Didn't play with the speakerphone yet, but the interface is smoooth. That said, developers seem to have outpaced OEM's with low voltage kernels. I get pretty good battery life out of Bugless Beast V1 with the P3 1.2ghz Kernel. Played with the phone on and off all day yesterday, forgot to charge it overnight, and woke up to 30% battery remaining. Never turn off wifi orGPS, brightness maxed.
Biggest difference to me is that the Moto Droid feels much more solid. For all it's features, everything about the Incredible feels like a toy. Especially the screen. The best feature I have found for the incredible, beyond even the superior camera, is that there is already a extended battery that will fit without an alternative backplate. The 2800 ma/h for the Droid is so hideous I'll suffer the stock battery.
I read that you wanted in-store service, but if you're willing to do without it, you can grab a Moto Droid from Amazon for $30. It's a LOT of phone for that price. You can't find a 16 gig memory card for $30. Droid comes with one tho.
The keyboard is less refined than my old Kaiser was, let alone the TP2. But you get used to it pretty quick. Especially with Swype for basic messaging duties. Only really break out the slider for passwords anymore. And running commands in Terminal Emulator.

You won't be disappointed with either. I have a droid overclocked to 1ghz works great, the keyboard for me was a joke, my gf uses it now and loves it. The DI is overall snappier and more responsive and if the droid is left with several apps open for a long period of time it can lag a bit, where I have not noticed any change on the Incredible. But still nothing as bad as WM. If you are about having big balls go big and get the Incredible though I am in the same situation as in the past 4 devices, waiting for Root (HSPL) with WM but this is the first device that isn't crippled by the stock rom. I really like sense ui for usability.

Ill have to agree with what has been said already, the phone is really fast and responsive, havent really run into any issues with it bogging down yet. I ran cyanogen on my droid previously OCd to 1.0ghz, and while that was fast, it still occasionally bogged down a bit.
I do have a few annoyances with the incredible, Mainly the root issue, never really followed the problems the Eris community is having, but apparently HTC just really doesnt want anyone to root their phones for some reason. Hoping to see some progress on that front sooner than later.
The autocorrect feature is basically unusable, at least for me. I understand having to train words and all that, but the correct is VERY aggressive, to the point of nonsense. I dont know who thought "haha" should be autocorrected to "usually", I dont see how that could be considered even remotely similar. It was ok in correcting words while I was still getting used to the touch keyboard, but I ended up turning it off. Maybe if it automatically learned words you use I could leave it on, but coupled with the aggressiveness, having to stop and tell it to learn 3-4 words per sentence is ridiculous.
The bottom buttons are a bit touchy in my experience. Whatever is different from the droid, I sometimes find myself having to tap the back button more than once to get it to register, but not often enough to really be a major problem, more of a minor annoyance. Plus, the flip side is there are less inadvertent back button presses, since they are a bit offset from the very bottom of the phone.
My only other thoughts are on the optical trackball, not really a complaint, just an observation. I often forget it exists, probably mostly coming from the droid where that functionality was unavailable unless you opened the phone to get to the D pad thing on the keyboard, so I mostly learned to operate the phone without relying on it. Neat feature, and definitely cool when I am playing around with it, just a matter of teaching myself to remember to use it, I suppose.
Overall, Im happy about the switch. I do miss root and all the goodies that come with that, but hopefully that will be fixed sometime fairly soon. The overall feel of the phone is vastly improved, however if you tend to wear shallow pockets you may want to invest in a holster, you might not even realize the phone fell out. If you are into the newest thing, the incredible is definitely that, for the moment.

Just a note: I am not deciding between the Droid and DI. I bought the Incredible the day it came out, because I wanted Verizon's network, and I had an N1.
I really wish there was a phone with a wide enough screen for typing, very very loud speakerphone, and a hardware keyboard. i type emails for my small business on the Di, and it's very doable but still slower than my TP2 was.
I too am frustrated with root, I almost require WiFi Tethering and the LED Flashlight.
I really almost got the Droid because of it's developed community and accessories, but the processor put me on the fence. On the one hand, the 3GS makes due with the same processor and no complaints from their camp, and all Droid review mention good performance... on the other hand how could TWICE the processing power be negligible? Would 550Mhz still cut it with Froyo and Flash and 4g Apps and all that? And so I went with the Incredible, and am very happy about how HTC fixed almost every single gripe I've had with HTC in general, and with the N1.

Droid x or HTC incredible

My sister is looking at a new phone. She wanted the iphone 4 but with the data plan change she is not sure if she wants to deal with it.
She was talking about switching companies with me, and as long as i can get my unlimited data plan then i'm switching to verizon.
She wants something good, doesn't know which phone though.
both have 1ghz processors and android.
Can't find ram specs on the droid x but i know it's 512mb on the htc.
Anyone have a good comparison and what do you guys thing. I just haven't been in the cell phone scene for almost a year. I am getting ready for a new phone in oct/nov so i am getting into it now.

If you're not doing it for a few months yet, then just wait for a better phone. The Samsung Galaxy S (instantly rootable, and fully open bootloader) is the best phone that is about to come out if you like to have root. The Droid X won't have root for 4+ months according to Birdman, and the bootloader may never be cracked. A real **** move by Motorola.

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I was all set on the moto Droid x, but now...
The Samsung Fascinate is looking really freaking good.
In the side by side reviews that i have seen, the samsung has the best screen that i have ever seen. Plus its rootable, plus it has a faster humming bird 1ghz processor, the same clock speed but in test it shows to be much faster overall.

sprintrjm said:
I was all set on the moto Droid x, but now...
The Samsung Fascinate is looking really freaking good.
In the side by side reviews that i have seen, the samsung has the best screen that i have ever seen. Plus its rootable, plus it has a faster humming bird 1ghz processor, the same clock speed but in test it shows to be much faster overall.
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I don't know about that? Where are these tests? I was under the impression they are very comparable in speed. I personally like Moto's build quality... even if I can't reflash it. The Fascinate looks like the case is plastic, which just isn't as good as a full metal case.

Between the Droid X and the Droid Incredible, I must say the Droid X, its a powerhouse...

This is for my sister. if it was me, the samsung coming out looks amazing but I am not getting android. Sorry.
She will never do anything for the bootloading or rootable options. She is not into the phone stuff like i am, and wouldn't be able to do it from her technical knowlege. And she is looking right now, can't wait at all, so samsung is out of the question at the moment.
Any other advice would be great. thanks to all that have posted already.

For a girl, the Droid Incredible or wait for the Samsung Fascinate.

Yep. See how she likes the Droid X in the hand first... just drive to a Verizon store and compare the two phones. There's also the problem of the Incredible's availability, but Sense wi definitely be more friendly than Ninjablur for the average user.

I have both and the droid x if far. Better. The incredible battery life sucks. I been using droid x for 11 hours and it still at 23% on the battery. That is with heavy use.
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I have the incredible, droid and the droid x. My opinion is the x even thou the incredible is rooted the x is a whole lot better then both of them combined.
Now with root it will happen with the X and it will be amazing

DaPitt84 said:
This is for my sister. if it was me, the samsung coming out looks amazing but I am not getting android. Sorry.
She will never do anything for the bootloading or rootable options. She is not into the phone stuff like i am, and wouldn't be able to do it from her technical knowlege. And she is looking right now, can't wait at all, so samsung is out of the question at the moment.
Any other advice would be great. thanks to all that have posted already.
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If she needs one asap then go with the x. Htc incredible is on back order till august and i'm sure it will continue to get pushed back.
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monjod said:
Motorola chargers, I wish we could get a universal charging synching option from the industry. Why is it that the USB cord that works perfectly for every other device I have owned will charge and sync but not with Droid X. I just hate the length of the stock cord.
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Are u sure that u had a DI prior to this phone? When i went into adb yesterday to gain root on my X (thanks Birdman!), I used the usb cord that came with my DI. In fact, that DI cord is the only cord I've used to charge and transfer files with on my X.
I have found the X's battery to be a solid improvement over the DI; however, it is still rather easy to drain a full battery over the course of the day. I think it's important to remember that people tend to go through signifcantly higher amounts of data when they get a new toy to play with. Even then, I would say that the X's battery life is slightly better than the HTC 2150 mah extended battery that I bought for my DI.
One area that I've found that the X shines is graphics processing. For example, Need for Speed Shift on the X is by far the the most complete, satisfying gaming experience that I've had on a mobile phone (I dont know what Apple is going to do when even games are superior on the android platform).
While not everyone digs the size of the X, I absolutely adore the large screen. The keyboard on the X is the best I've used on a smartphone, and having the ability to switch to Swype is sweet. And for a movie buff like myself, it is sooo nice to be able to transfer movies from my laptop to my X without first having to convert them
Basically, I am really digging the X. However, the DI is a damn nice phone as well. I personally prefer Sense to Blur, and the DI is extremely polished. Being able to DL custom Roms is invaluable. And although it's completely Motorola's prerogative to design their phone as they wish, there's something about efuse and the encrypted bootloader that chaps my hide.
I had pretty much decided to return my X and go back to my DI, until Birdman gained root access to the x yesterday. Having wireless tether, Titanium, shell access, etc. are hugely important to me. However, i am still not sure if this is enough to compensate for the inability to flash ROMs. Damn, why does the X have to have that damn bootloader?

inc is better. ive played with the x numerous times, but i never wanted to switch. its just not the same. the dinc is one of a kind.
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inc is better. ive played with the x numerous times, but i never wanted to switch. its just not the same. the dinc is one of a kind.
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Eh, my Dad has the Dinc and I have the X..... we BOTH like the X better.

cbaty08 said:
Eh, my Dad has the Dinc and I have the X..... we BOTH like the X better.
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i guess it is all preference. in my opinion, the dinc is durable when it comes to modding. ive only tried the x for a couple of minutes, so i wouldnt know how the x is. i do have to say, the x is more of a multimedia and social networking phone, and the inc is more business like.
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I don't know about that? Where are these tests? I was under the impression they are very comparable in speed. I personally like Moto's build quality... even if I can't reflash it. The Fascinate looks like the case is plastic, which just isn't as good as a full metal case.
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actually, just for the record. the droid x doesn't have a full metal case.. just the battery door is metal.. much like the Samsung captivate on at&t. but as far as i know you are correct about the Samsung fascinate being "all" plastic. but to put in my two cents. switching from the Dinc to the DX. i am very unsatisfied with the DX slow and laggy UI and the screen looks good and big and clear.. but the colors suck and the contrast ratio is terrible. one of my biggest issues with screens, that of tv, phone, monitor, etc., is being able to see the back light shining through..of which my DX does. So i will be switching to the Galaxy S for that S-AMOLED. but thats just my opinion.
P.S. The Droid X is a really great phone. Just not for me.

The incredible over saturates the colors by over 30 percent. The Droid X is only off by like 6%.
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Droid X vs HTC Incredible Camera?

Hey guys, so i have a unique opportunity that ive been given, i could if i want trade in my incredible for a Droid X, because my friend has a 2 year upgrade available and he really wants an incredible, so he told me he was fine with buying a Droid X with the upgrade and then me and him just swap phones
I know that in general, the phones are very close performers, however im just looking at one specific thing here and that is the Camera that both utilize... HTCs is 8 megapixels and Motorolas is also 8 Megapixels... both are also capable of taking 720p videos so on paper they would seem to be idential, however we know thats not the case
Alot of users have reported that the HTC Incredible / Evo Camera while taking 720p video is rather mediocre and sub-par to what youd expect, and that it also suffers from a low FPS video capture using that resolution... So i was wondering if the Motorola solution is the same way or does that 8MP Camera that they utilize in the Droid X a superior one to that of the DINC?

Honestly, the camera and video performance has been a phenomenal experience on the incredible. Your dealing with a phone here and the differences between the two (if there are) will be quite slim. Sure if you put the two side by side, you may see a difference however it's not going to be replacing your point-and-shoot camera or DSLR.
If you're stuck deciding between the two I'd highly suggest you take a look at what's going to feel better for yourself whether it be the size/form factor or the software that your dealing with/ whether or not you want to be able to have the ability to switch roms.
If you absolutely don't care and the decision maker comes down to the camera, honestly, either one will be a fantastic choice -- I just suggest rethinking where you are on the fence about the phones.

Its not just a camera... however the Droid X's size does not bother me at all, ive been tinkering with them in the verizon stores for awile now and havent been dissapointed..
FYI i went into a Verizon store today and went to one of the Droid X's up on display and installed Quadrant Benchmark on it from the market and right off the display shelf it did a 1200 quadrant score... and thats running a 2.1 rom fully stock with no modification.... 1200s is what we incredible owners are hitting running FROYO and custom roms, that won me over... the Droid X is just a better performer

good luck with the locked bootloader

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good luck with the locked bootloader
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Thats the one downside that im fully aware of... coming from a rooted and rom'd incredible

Honestly, benchmarks don't mean ****. I've used both and I can tell you, without a doubt, the incredible is faster, smoother, and all around nicer to look at.

On paper the X seems like it should perform MUCH better than the Incredible (sorry... OMAP vs. Qualcomm ANYTHING... OMAP wins), but yeah in having an incredible and spending a decent amount of time with the X, the X seemed noticeably slower in a few things. For one, just swiping left and right between home screens, the Inc is butter smooth, the X animates far more choppy... even my wife noticed this, and she is not the kind of person who cares about that kind of stuff. Also, opening apps, often the Inc would open faster, usually by less than a second, but still. I also had a hard time getting a steady shot with the camera.
of course, the bigger screen is very nice, and dedicated camera button should be f'ing mandatory these days (HTC!!). For gaming, the X is going to stomp the Inc (though, they both bow down to the Galaxy S).
It's all personal preference, but having tried the X, I don't regret having the Inc.

Yeah the incredible is smoother. I ran bench mark on my incredible and it ranked higher than the x. So i guess bench mark can be inconsistent
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You are either an HTC person or not.
I had both and had to dump the X because exchange support is loaded with bugs and notifications are broken.
HTC licenses active sync so exchange support is flawless.
I also found the white level control on the HTC to be far superior.
The Motorola is always shooting with a yellow cast to the pictures.
Low light the HTC has better color but the noise reduction is out of control.
I also think the HTC camera is faster.
Motorola has the edge on the gallery scrolling, its much faster. HTC is like slow motion compared.
HTC is more of a software company than Motorola and it shows.
You have to load at least 5 apps on the Motorola to get most of the functionality you do with Sense, including a launcher which completely defeats the point of Moto Blur.
Little things like icon notifications for gmail and exchange are built into sense.
You have to download a GMAIL notifier app for the Motorola and you dont have a way to get icon notifications on exchange at all on the Motorola.
Little nuances add up big time which is why despite the small size the Incredible is a better overall phone right now.

X had dedicated GPU.

I love the formfactor for the DINC, but if I had a choice to switch... I would just switch with his old crappy phone for now and give him the dINC, then wait for the verizon galaxy S to drop and upgrade to that.

DROID X vs Fasciante in real life performance

I have an upgrade due in November and want to get a good phone that could supply my needs for the next year. I'm looking at the Droid X and the Samsung Fascinate and wanted to ask those with Droid X if the real life performance is good. I want to know:
1. Is opening applications and exiting applications fast?
2. Is there any significant lag during day to day use?
3. Is the GPU good enough to produce smooth gameplay on 3D games such as Angry Birds, NFS Shift, or other demanding games?
I just want to know if the Droid X is good enough to be my next phone (my current one is the Eris).
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i cant speak specifically for the fascinate, but i have used the captivate before switching to the droid x.
1. there is terrible lag on the captivate in some applications. unlocking the phone, and even just answering a phone call gave me terrible lag. there are lag fixes, but you have to root to use them.
2. see #1
3. i think that the galaxy s units have a superior gpu, but i have had no issues whatsoever playing any of the games that you mentioned at all.
i have been completly happy with my x, and to me its much better than the galaxy s line of phones. the galaxy's have better screens, but thats about where it ends. good luck!

I can't speak on behalf on the fascinate but I can tell you that the droid x tends to be a bit laggy when performing regular tasks like scrolling through apps and screens. As for everything else it's amazing. No lag with games, speedy browsing, and amazing pictures. It would be the best phone ever made IMO if the lag was fixed.

I have both of these phones and the one I use 99% of the time is the Droid x. I have 2 numbers and have all calls from the samsung line forwarded to the droid x line. The x is built better; the samsung is mostly plastic and feels cheap. The x has 4 times the onboard memory; 8 gb to 2 gb. The x has a larger screen; the samsung has a nicer looking screen. The samsung is a google phone with microsoft software; that makes alot of sense??? The samsung is definately more "laggy" than the x. The x seems to get better reception. The x has 3 more megapixels in the camera. I'm not saying the samsung is a bad phone; if I had never tried the x I would be more than happy with it. Especially coming from an eris, I think you'll be happy with either one of them. Oh, your hand size might pay a role in the decision as well. Some people can't hold the x with one hand and touch anywhere on the screen. I don't have this problem, but I could see how it would be annoying. I hope that helps.

Thanks for these tips! I'm pretty sure this will be my next phone now, unless Verizon comes out with something mindblowing.
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TheSonicEmerald said:
Thanks for these tips! I'm pretty sure this will be my next phone now, unless Verizon comes out with something mindblowing.
Sent from Eris with Froyo
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The HTC Merge is coming next mid-month...

Might be worth it to wait a month or two to see what else comes out.
The x is a pretty good phone to go with minus the locked bootloader.
LTE and a front facing camera would be sweet to see. Those two things in addition to current features of the x would be the perfect phone in my opinion. Still waiting for the double rainbow of phones though.
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you could wait, but as fast as phones are coming out, you would always be waiting for whatever was new. i say get what you want now. it'll be outdated in a month anyway regardless of what you get!

Cobra302 said:
you could wait, but as fast as phones are coming out, you would always be waiting for whatever was new. i say get what you want now. it'll be outdated in a month anyway regardless of what you get!
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True, true.
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Before anything, Go into a corporate store and ask to play around with both phones, most sales reps have the droid x or the fascinate as their personal phone and they will let you use them.
with that being said. I bought the Samsung Fascinate first and brought it back a week later to get the Droid X. Fascinate has a GREAT battery life compared to the droid X.
Reason I did this is not because the phone is not a good phone it is because the phone has some thing integrated that I did not like.
1) Bing is every where on the phone, so you must tweak it to where you can use google via an app on the home screen instead of a search bar ( some of us don't mind but I did.
2)On the car dock the default navigation system to use is VZNavigator which is run by BING and you must subscribe to it, so again to use google maps which is free btw you must use another short cut key.
These are the two biggest things I did not like on this phone. Other than those two things the phone has a beautiful screen and the camera quality is equal to greater than the Droid X, but without a case for the phone the phone feels very light and cheap.
Droid X has some issues of its own but nothing a little rooting can't help. When I had the stock Droid X I had a few freeze ups and lag but haven't had it happen since I rooted and did a few other tweaks.
Issues
1)Camera even though is 8MP is not the best but still does the job.
2)Do not know if this is a 2.2 issue or not but when you record video and then try to play it back on say a computer the audio gets messed up and has a delay
3)Battery life doesn't do to well
Other than those are minor ones and they can be fixed in time but you should also wait to see what they have coming out when they roll out LTE Network because I have seen a few I would love to get my hands on already.

I can't say anything about the fascinate but I have no major complaints about my x I mean sometimes the camera takes grainy pictures, but that's about it I've never had a freeze or anything of the sort im runnig completely stock 2.2 ota im always running live wallpapers and the battery lastes me 12-15 hours and that's with wifi use and emailing facebooking testing calling. Heavy use lol
The only thing that mainly depletes my batery is pandora when I have it hooked up in my car but that still takes 6-8 hours to kill it.
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conradd said:
I can't speak on behalf on the fascinate but I can tell you that the droid x tends to be a bit laggy when performing regular tasks like scrolling through apps and screens. As for everything else it's amazing. No lag with games, speedy browsing, and amazing pictures. It would be the best phone ever made IMO if the lag was fixed.
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it's because of the default Blur software. After I removed bloat and installed launcher pro, the phone is as smooth as butter with 100 MB free memory

My plan was to try the Fascinate 1st then get the Droid X if I didn't like the Fascinate. The Fascinate had a beautiful screen. The Fascinate is plastic and felt plasticky. Touchwiz was not bad. I didnt like the Bing presence and was holding off on modifying the OS.
The deal breaker for me was the abominable GPS and an issue with 3G instability (frequent dropping) after the Fascinate update. My roomie has an original Droid and she had great GPS and 3G by comparison.
I exchanged the Fascinate for the DroidX (after opening a trouble ticket for the 3G issues which VZW acknowledged was a problem with that phone).
Needless to say, I am totally happy with the Droid X. It's super responsive and everything works great (GPS, wifi, bluetooth, 3G). I appreciate the large, clear screen.
Battery performance is about 17-21hrs. I disable data when i dont need it. Generally have phone on for calls and text. I enable wifi at home or 3g out-and-about when it's needed. I dont need frequent updates of twitter,weather,email etc. (Once got 27hrs...). The GTD apps have always been my primary use of a smartphone.
My DroidX is pretty much where I want it to be (GTD apps and launcherpro, not a gamer per se). And it is unrooted.
I'm a girl with girl sized hands (you know what I mean) and I am totally comfortable with the Droid X. Unlike the Fascinate, the DroidX feels solidly built.

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I'm a girl with girl sized hands (you know what I mean) and I am totally comfortable with the Droid X. Unlike the Fascinate, the DroidX feels solidly built.
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glad you like it. At first I thought the X was too big for my big hands coming from eris, let alone a girl carrying it. But now I have learned to carry it comfortably and operate it with one hand.

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3)Battery life doesn't do to well
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Define "doesn't do to[o] well," because my phone often lasts me 9 hours of rather moderate use (numerous phone calls, ~75 texts, ~3 hours of music streaming, and probably ~1 hour of browsing the internet) and still keeps 50% left.
Get Setcpu if you don't already use it and learn how to set up profiles, especially one for when your screen is off.

Anyone here go from X to INC?

I do love my X, but I have grown a little tired of the size and form factor. I am a little worried I might be disappointed with the battery life and a possible resale value on the INC if I do make the switch.
Anyone had a good experience going to the INC form the X?

I haven't had an X myself but I don't know why you should be concerned about resale value..you're using the phone.
The form factor of the DX sucks IMO, it's bulky and ugly.
The Incredible's screen is much nicer quality too, even the SLCD version. When comparing the screen sizes it's like quantity vs. quality.
If you're into custom ROMs and such, the INC is a great phone.

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I haven't had an X myself but I don't know why you should be concerned about resale value..you're using the phone.
The form factor of the DX sucks IMO, it's bulky and ugly.
The Incredible's screen is much nicer quality too, even the SLCD version. When comparing the screen sizes it's like quantity vs. quality.
If you're into custom ROMs and such, the INC is a great phone.
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Only thinking about resale to help me buy a new phone when some newer versions come out (I had used the new every 2, even though its gone now, on X release date).

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I am a little worried I might be disappointed with the battery life and a possible resale value on the INC if I do make the switch.
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I can assure you not to worry about the resale value because, INC has a higher resale value than DX. INC is about $152 while DX is only about $96.
Check it out here!
https://www.trade-in.vzw.com/Home.aspx

fortesquieu said:
I can assure you not to worry about the resale value because, INC has a higher resale value than DX. INC is about $152 while DX is only about $96.
Check it out here!
https://www.trade-in.vzw.com/Home.aspx
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Hrmm I wonder why that is. I have been trying to look at what people are selling these for in the forums.

I had the x and switched to the dinc. HTC does a way better job with Android if you ask me. The community does much better with HTC devices as well. Sense is a must have for me as well.
Even though the evo sold mass amount of phones, I think its too big. I the x was just as big and drove me crazy. I like the size of the dinc. With the evos 1500 mAh battery in my dinc, I can last all day no problem.
Sent from my incredible using the XDA app

I had an X and returned it for an Incredible. Part of the reason was because the Incredible was free and the X had cost me $200. That said, the Incredible feels faster, even with slightly slower hardware, thanks to HTC's superior software. Motorola's software package is pretty terrible.

I made that switch. The battery life is definitely worse on the incredible. I missed the big screen at first. Made the incredible seem extra small coming from the X. I have an slcd incredible and even that screen seems to have much more contrast than the Droid x. I like running cyanogenmod and custom kernels so im enjoying the incredible.

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I had the x and switched to the dinc. HTC does a way better job with Android if you ask me. The community does much better with HTC devices as well. Sense is a must have for me as well.
Even though the evo sold mass amount of phones, I think its too big. I the x was just as big and drove me crazy. I like the size of the dinc. With the evos 1500 mAh battery in my dinc, I can last all day no problem.
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Wait a minute! The Evo battery fits the DInc? Please confirm!

I'm actually confused myself. On htcpedia there is the 1500mah for $40 for the incredible .... but the 1500mah for the evo is $30... are they the same and does it matter?
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Wait a minute! The Evo battery fits the DInc? Please confirm!
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Yes.
/10 char

X might be a nice phone but with a locked bootloader that's harder to get in than Fort knox...no thanks I will stick with my Incredible

I went from an Incredible to an X back to the Incredible
The X had nothing but issues, and screen wasn't nearly as gorgeous as the AMOLED one.
The Sense UI is the best UI you can get for Android, in my opinion hands down the best.
The hardware of the Incredible feels faster too like another poster said, on the X my friend and I were in a parking garage waiting to get a GPS signal, i pulled my Incredible out and mine found our location when the X was still looking for 10 more mins.
The X is also too tall, it doesn't use the right screen ratio like the EVO and ThunderBolt will.
The developer community is the best on EVO/Incredible vs Droid 1/2/X
and I also develop themes for Incredible which i'll be moving on to ThunderBolt

I just got an inc keeping my x to try this out. Only two things so far I don't like:
-can see the touchscreen sensors on a white background(emails or web usually)
-touch screen isn't quite as accurate as the x
-there was a hair under the glass screen. Looks like the screen isn't that tight around the body. Compressed air blew it right out though.
On a positive sense KILLS blur! The overall feel is great, better widgets, comfortable formfactor.

I had an X until 2 weeks ago. I miss it... The screen size is enough for me to be trying to get it back. I have BIG hands and I could fly texting on my X but on this, Im hitting backspace more than any other key, even with auto correct. The reason I traded was to be able to customize more which is definitely better. Another issue is with games. The Inc is slow to respond and it glitches and pauses all the time playing homerun battle 3d. The X NEVER did that. I don't know, they both have their positives and negatives but my hands alone are the reason I'm trying to trade back to an X. BUT I will come back to HTC when the Thunderbolt comes out. NO DOUBT, cause sense destroys blur. always had to use Luancherpro on the X but never on the Inc because of the custom roms...

r3dlined said:
I just got an inc keeping my x to try this out. Only two things so far I don't like:
-can see the touchscreen sensors on a white background(emails or web usually)
-touch screen isn't quite as accurate as the x
-there was a hair under the glass screen. Looks like the screen isn't that tight around the body. Compressed air blew it right out though.
On a positive sense KILLS blur! The overall feel is great, better widgets, comfortable formfactor.
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What do you mean by the touch screen isn't as accurate? My friend and my cousin both have the X, my brother has the Fascinate, and I have the Incredible. I've used all 3 phones extensively and in my experience, the X has the least responsive touch screen of all. Do you mean accuracy as in trying to click on small links on web pages or something? If that's the case it might just be because the screen is smaller; if you're having trouble you could try highlighting the link or button that you want to click with the trackpad.

re x
i have the droid incredible and i bought the droid x on the week it came out.
Immiatlely i was dissappointed at the same time some things were great.
The low audio on the navigation even with the windows up made it unusable with turn by turn directions... im sure they fixed this.
The ****ty Moto UI = **** sammitch.
The below average quality of the lcd, it looked washed out and bland compared to my incredible.
The large 4.3 inch screen was awesome to surf on.
it was thin for a large phone.
It was new.
I have had many phones in the past and none of them gave me the same kind of user experience as HTC and sadly the iphone.
If i was technically retarded and was an old woman i would have kept my iphone..
But nobody besides HTC has made a better phone AND UI...
Samsung UI = **** , hardware = ok, software updates = ****
Motorola UI = **** see above
LG = **** **** and more ****
Sony = erickson = ****
nokia = failing ball of **** sammitch.. check their stocks.
Blackberry = corporate fail, good comm device.. everything else is 10 years behind.
iphone = boring plus your instantly enrolled in a group of 10 year olds and wanna be tech folks ... and mothers...any phone an old woman is comfortable using is a phone i do not want.

Well I had to trade the INC back because there was dust collecting under the screen. I am absolutely in LOVE with the phone compared to the X. But the big question I can't decide on now is:
Do I sell my X and go buy an INC retail so I at least have a 1 year warranty on it or buy one used and hope for the best (buying a new one would probably cost me 230 or so).

brandon2x said:
I had an X until 2 weeks ago. I miss it... The screen size is enough for me to be trying to get it back. I have BIG hands and I could fly texting on my X but on this, Im hitting backspace more than any other key, even with auto correct. The reason I traded was to be able to customize more which is definitely better. Another issue is with games. The Inc is slow to respond and it glitches and pauses all the time playing homerun battle 3d. The X NEVER did that. I don't know, they both have their positives and negatives but my hands alone are the reason I'm trying to trade back to an X. BUT I will come back to HTC when the Thunderbolt comes out. NO DOUBT, cause sense destroys blur. always had to use Luancherpro on the X but never on the Inc because of the custom roms...
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Yeah games was the only thing, but I haven't played one game on my X except for paper toss. Not such a big deal to me.

I started on an X... rooted it, ROMed it (to the extent that it can be, anyway), and tried to be patient while the devs cracked the boot...and got tired of waiting. I traded it to a friend straight up for an AMOLED DInc after 3 months, and seriously, there's no comparison. I love the freedom to load CM, or Ruby, or SkyRaider on my phone. I love the ability to remap the soft keys on my HTC or use QuickDesk or PowerStrip (neither of them can be done on the X due to the locking down of the hard keys by Moto).
The only two things that I miss about the X are the bigger screen, which I really liked, and the fact that Moto's build quality is very good (it always has been), but that is it. I'll never buy another motorola product ever again unless I hear that it is open- and not because I'm some sort of super-dev, either- simply because I get better support from the dev community whose ROMs I run when I have a problem than I've ever gotten from Moto or Verizon.
The X had pretty impressive specs, but it was absolutely weighted down under Blur... SOOOO slow. I didn't even realize how slow it was until I rooted and ROMed it using rubiX, which is truly an awesome ROM considering how locked the X is, but even then it really had a lot of stupid issues (random rebooting, etc.). Then once I found out that I couldn't connect to the 802.1x wifi at my school (a known motorola issue which STILL has yet to be fixed on the DX and D2), it was over.
I've gone DInc and never regretted it.
As far as the screen, I really think that SLCD vs. AMOLED is personal preference. The colors on AMOLED are suuuuper saturated, very "thick" looking to my eyes. I don't mind SLCD screen colors or look at all, but they're definitely toned down compared to AMOLED.
What about the processor speed? Well, both of them have 1gHz processors, and with the current battery technology we have right now, I really wouldn't want much more than a that- anything faster just eats battery, really. I get some lulz from all the spec queens out there who OC their phones to 1.5 and higher, and who have to have the latest dual-core processors- they're going to spend their whole lives plugged in to the wall cuz their batteries won't last 6 hours, and then complain about bad battery life. My 1gHz snapdragon loads pages, flash, and videos from the web with no problem. I've seen the AnandTech reviews about the DX's processor being slightly faster than the DInc's, but then you have to consider Blur and (REALLY) crappy Moto software and bloat (VZW navigator, Visual Voicemail, City ID, etc.) slowing everything down again. My CM7 / ADW EX DInc is hella snappy, and I get through almost 36 hours per charge (HTC Imagio 1700mAh battery) with frequent use. No OC/UCing, totally stock.
I AM looking forward to LTE tho. That should be a real improvement. Anyway, I'm off the soapbox. Hope this helped? I dunno. I'm sittin here drinkin coffee and saw this thread. Good luck.
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