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Hey I was wondering if there was any way that someone could make a sense rom for the droid 2 and if it would even run on it. Also why wouldn't it work it is just additions to the system/app and system/framework.
Please explain what a locked bootloader restricts. I know it means that you can't use un-official kernels but does that mean you can't change it to sense?\
I would love to have the new sense from the desire HD for the droid 2.
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from what i understand the big thing holding back alot of the dev work for stuff like that on the droid2 is the motorola locked bootloader.... so far i've seen themes and the like with alot of the motoblur taken out/turned off but nothing beyond that (not even an aosp) but i know that its being worked on by some good people and I am holding my breath for the goods to start flowing for both the 2 and the X.... in fact i would really like to have it by the big tx bbq.... kinda soon but i can dream
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Hey I was wondering if there was any way that someone could make a sense rom for the droid 2 and if it would even run on it. Also why wouldn't it work it is just additions to the system/app and system/framework.
Please explain what a locked bootloader restricts. I know it means that you can't use un-official kernels but does that mean you can't change it to sense?\
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i adapted somehow htc sense to our Milestone (Droid 1 EU edition) , it works, but lacks speed due to the limited 256MB RAM available, secondly no-one has written a driver that emulated the bcm4329 hardware, so making bluetooth working ok is another major "not working".. even on older htc phones they had problems.
anyways i can say its possible is i did the reverse and put MotoBlur on Milestone, it works but somehow also lacks 512MB RAM here too.
to end this quick note,
HTC sense is not just an addition to the framework, its a different releas of the framework, every vendor does this, so like EU motorola did many updates on the milestone, but only first found now in droidx,droid2...
and porting it is not so simple, but i would think its possible, but i guess its too early for droid2 to have anything running as no real recovery exists, which loads before any os.
the one you got has a live /system when you open recovery, which means you can easily mess up your phone when you start modding to use sense, and pretty much make it unbootable, so a new sbf needs installed, which again means alot of testing before you actually get it working, and then backup? another problem to work with when you make small changes..
its not easy task without a real unlocked boot or a good recovery solution..
ok so technically what would I have to do to put sense on the droid 2?
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ok so technically what would I have to do to put sense on the droid 2?
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It will never work 100% of even close enough to have the phone fully functional. People have been trying since the Original Droid. It's also tied into the RIL of phone.
Out of the blue question
What about just theming the home screen menubars to get the sense menubars only? Is that possible?
that should be possible, as a few themes available right now have already altered those files with success. Now you just have to grab a Sense based ROM form a Droid 1 and start copying and modding image files mostly i think. to make a deodexed hybrid of Sense and MotoBlur.
Is is possible to just to have the speed-dialer/contact app working the D2(that is the only real thing I will miss if I go with the D2)?
I'd move to the D2 right away if you can get the HTC keyboard mixed with the multitouch keyboard of the D2, and then add contact app(and all that comes with it), and music app. That all I really like out of my Eris.
If the D1 was able to get a sense port(from what i have seen) how come we cant get it on the D2?
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If the D1 was able to get a sense port(from what i have seen) how come we cant get it on the D2?
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the original Droid ran stock android, but the droid 2 has a custom framework (MotoBlur) and a locked bootloader.
Makes logical sens thanks
I just bought my HTC Desire HD the other day.
Very happy with it!
I got one of the models with the camera sitting incorrectly, and the loose camera ringy thingy...
I'm contacting Vodafone about that... is that correct? Or do I contact HTC?
ANYWAY!
My actual question is that I'd like to get rid of the 'Vodafone-ness' - how do I do it?
There are some guides in the developers forum, but they all start from someone with at least a little bit of knowledge.
This is both my first Android and smart phone - prior to this I had a Sony Ericsson T707.
So I am in completely new territory.
If someone could please explain - or point me to - a guide for absolute begginners where I can learn about things and stuff so I can know what is being talked about on some of the more technical threads on this forum I would appreciate it very very much.
Also, I can't decide what I would like to do with my DHD, whether or not to put stock standard Android, or the Android with HTC Sense or not.
I really like the music player that came with this phone, can I get that on Android without the rest of Sense?
What is Android like without Sense?
Thank you.
Android is pretty much what you make of it, so if you are looking for an alternative to Sense, my recommendation is Launcher Pro or AWD Launcher.
I came from Motorola Milestone with Launcher Pro and I was quite happy with it (happy with Launcher Pro, not Motorola), but I like DHD Sense experience and so far, I am sticking to it. All Sense widgets are integral part of Sense and cannot be used without it. But if you want a decent music app outside Sense, I would suggest Cubed (aka 3) music player - great player, nice UI a cool widgets with album art.
You can always apply a new skin to Sense - that could override some of the DHD branding.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=801928
I think you should start by rooting your phone with Visionary+ r12 and gradually build your expertize. I am quite a noob myself. But part of the Android experience is exploring what is and what is not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837519
Rooting and getting a decent file explorer is good start, and then just go through the forums and try to follow the guides that you are confident with.
Good luck!
Getting ready to make the move from running and modding Windows Mobile phones for the last 6 years to give the android phones a try.
Was at store playing around this past weekend and down to two phones. I love the Droid 2 feel, slideout qwerty, but hated the motorolla interface. Also looked at the HTC incredible which I loved the interface but really missed the slider qwerty, and it has a slower processor.
I know if it was a windown mobile phone I could flash out a new ROM cooked with the HTC interface and have the phone I want, but been looking around the flash ROM's here and not seeing any cooked like that. So just looking for opinions/suggestions or links if I am just not finding what I am looking for.
There are currently no ROMS for the Droid 2 that have the Sense UI (HTC's interface). You can get close using a mixture of ADW.Launcher, WidgetLocker, and Fancy Widget Pro along with some other apps/widgets.
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There are currently no ROMS for the Droid 2 that have the Sense UI (HTC's interface). You can get close using a mixture of ADW.Launcher, WidgetLocker, and Fancy Widget Pro along with some other apps/widgets.
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Feeling like a fish out of water trying to get my head around all the differences coming from Winmo for so long.
Should it be possible to get the Sense UI and no one has yet done it, or are there reasons why it hasn't been done (is it open sourced)? I am not afraid to get the phone and dive into figuring out ROM cooking an Android phone. Just trying to get some idea because while I really like the feel and specs of the Droid 2, that Sense UI was just so far superior (probably helps that it was much more similar to the ROM I am running on my HTC Fuze WinMo phone for the last 2 years)
Sense is not open source. Besides most folks usually want to remove the proprietary junk and move the ORMs closer to the AOSP as that's a lot easier to modify and customize to one's liking.
Your best bet is to use free/cheap programs and widgets, as originally advised by Spitemare, to duplicate the look and feel as much as possible.
Wait for the htc merge.
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Wait for the htc merge.
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LOL, if there is one thing I have learned from having various smart phones for the last 6 years it is this. The perfect phone is always just around the corner, best to just pick from phones available now
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LOL, if there is one thing I have learned from having various smart phones for the last 6 years it is this. The perfect phone is always just around the corner, best to just pick from phones available now
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lol, too true, man. droid 2's got nice hardware and it's pretty cheap compared to the other offerings. with fission on it you're back to almost aosp. runs really nicely. it's possible that we'll get a sense port but don't count on it.
plus, as 'freeness' goes, the d2 (and x, and d2g, and milestone, etc) are all locked pretty tight. no custom bootloaders, recoveries, etc. so you might go with the dinc just for that reason if it's important to you.
Well the reason he said it is because the HTC merge will have a QWERTY keyboard and HTC Sense.
Other than that, you could always get a Droid 2 and put LauncherPro on it to run like HTC Sense.
The best home replacement is ahome... it cost 5 bucks but it makes the phones home screen sooo smooth its ridiculous.
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Not really relevant at all but I glanced at the thread title and read "Making love to Android" LOL four hours of sleep doesn't help anything.
To the Vision ROMS Mods,
would you kindly make us a CM7 Sense ROM? A CM7 ROM with or able to take HTC Sense Widgtes?
It is hard, yes, and our mods are hardworking. It is impossible, no, there is no such a thing as impossible when it comes to technology on XDA-Developers.
Hoping and waiting and believing!
This ... would be epic.
It's not impossible, but it's not worth the effort. The Sense widgets require the Sense framework which is closed source. In order to merge the two, you would need to reverse-engineer the Sense framework which is near impossible. So, no, it's not gonna happen.
This has been talked about countless times for years.. if it was possible it would of been achieved by now..
just saying..
on that note, I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
This would be like the yankees and red sox merging to form one entity.
i think every one would love that, it would be great but who knows maybe soon they will, i mean they have sense-ish with vanilla so maybe
If only such a thing was possible... a Sense/CM7 hybrid would be the best ROM ever, hands down
Shame it isn't though, as someone already mentioned, it would involve reverse-engineering Sense since it's closed source, and CM is strictly AOSP
its a extremely difficult task that may not even have a nice reward at the end. Look at how pissed HTC got with the Beautiful widgets looking too much like theirs. My guess is that if a dev did in fact pull this off, it'd be shutdown before most of us could enjoy it...
I actually prefer having to choose between one and the other, since they are so distinct in style. I think some of the "conveniences" of Sense could easily be easily be written into AOSP roms, but in terms of aesthetics and style - I like them being separate.
If a "blend" is what you want, then you should probably give UD a spin, but I'm pretty sure that will fall short of what you seek.
This belongs in the general section. Android has been out since 2008, you don't think someone has already thought about wanting this? And 3 years later it hasn't been accomplished yet? It should already be obvious its not done yet because it's damn near impossible. But hey its not bad to ask for something. Only thing i think would ever be close to this is someone making a stock launcher with beautiful widgets incorperated into it or something hellishly close to
Sense widgets. But besides that, please don't ever, EVER, count on it.
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do it with Sense 3.0 and ill donate a ton, and run around my neighborhood naked! lol
Makes me wonder, what ever happened to sillian?
I've never been a fan of sense, CM is great how it is.
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I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
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actually the senseginger 3.0 rom is almost that, you can disable htc lockscreen in lieu of vanilla lockscreen, it has the nice gingerbread on/off screen animations, I use launcher pro plus with it and everything seems pretty damn snappy... the launcher pro plus widgets are practically direct copies of the htc widgets, and I get to have a 5x5 homescreen... I'm sure once the source drops for the htc gingerbread vision kernel I'll get stellar quadrant scores as I do on virtuous 1.0.2 (2500+ @ 1402Mhz)
no way...if you want sense, use a sense rom.
Sense is teh suck
In my recent mental debate over the EVO 4G LTE vs. the Nexus, I've pondered the differences between stock ICS (pure/vanilla/etc) and the ICS we will see on the One series by HTC, including our very own EVO sequel. From the few screenshots I've seen of the One X, it does not remotely resemble the ICS I've learned to know and love with the work our devs our doing to bring the latest and greatest to the OG. Examples include the lockscreen (the Sense ring appears to still be the default one - is there an option to go straight ICS for the lockscreen?), the dock (I'm sure I can switch the launcher to fix this issue...), the notifications pulldown (I've actually not seen the Sense one yet, but I've heard various things indicating it is different from the one I'm no accustomed to), etc. Heck, even the color of the battery meter is green instead of blue!
Does anyone know or at least have an idea if we can change some of those things without rooting our devices? Having a brand new device, I don't plan on needing to root (or at least install custom ROMs, that is) for a while. But I am already missing the slick new interface Google has provided. While many claim that Sense 4.0 is going for the minimalistic approach to the latest iteration of their infamous skin, why do I feel like they have completely altered a widely praised operating system that has barely rolled out? I'm a little saddened when I see the video of the EVO 4G LTE and feel like the look of everything is dated.
But then I look at the hardware, think about the devs who'll inevitably move to this phone, and that excites me about the possibilities. I guess I'm more curious than disappointed, but I was wondering others' feelings on this topic.
Long answer short, you'll get aosp, miui and sense on the HTC which is nice if you get bored and want something different.
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Long answer short, you'll get aosp, miui and sense on the HTC which is nice if you get bored and want something different.
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Can you make your short answer slightly longer? Haha how would I get AOSP and MIUI on the EVO LTE? You mean one devs get to work on it? Or stock?
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Can you make your short answer slightly longer? Haha how would I get AOSP and MIUI on the EVO LTE? You mean one devs get to work on it? Or stock?
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Right. Not stock, would have to be rooted. My bad. The devs will be all over that phone anyway so it will be a blast
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It's a *good* thing the phone comes with Sense, its one more option you have, and Sense does add some useful features. Custom rom's will offer all kinds of options including optimized and bloatware free versions of Sense.
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Right. Not stock, would have to be rooted. My bad. The devs will be all over that phone anyway so it will be a blast
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Completely agree. I'm kind of thinking of galaxy nexus, cuz I'm not fond of sense. But, I'm sure in no time we'll be able to rip sense OFF that SOB and put AOKP or some other variant of vanilla ICS.
Then, if you wanna run sense for a few days, that option will still be there. It's win-win.
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If I'm running Sense 4.0, do you think I'll still be able to get the Quad ICS unlock screen, or something like that? I LOVE that lockscreen - way better than the silly ring that Sense creates. I don't understand why they didn't change that from 3.0 and 3.5 to something fresh. Oh, I would assume I have the "unlock with face" option too on this phone? It's been so long since I ran Sense, I forgot if these things are changeable or not!
My only concern with the custom ROMs is whether things will run okay, like camera and such. Also, if you are running AOSP, you'll miss out on the supposedly amazing camera suite that Sense 4.0 provides, right?
Tough choice!!!
Sense 4.0 + ICS ALL DAY!
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I went to tmobile today and toyed with the one s. I will say it isn't the ICS we know from the current development but it is beautiful and sleek. The soft keys are a bit cumbersome but I could get used to it. I am in no way drawn away from the evo lte and am more than anxious to own that device!
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I went to tmobile today and toyed with the one s. I will say it isn't the ICS we know from the current development but it is beautiful and sleek. The soft keys are a bit cumbersome but I could get used to it. I am in no way drawn away from the evo lte and am more than anxious to own that device!
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That's awesome, especially considering the One S is inferior to our EVO we're getting...
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Well I will answer my own question at this moment, because I stopped into a T-Mobile and played with the One-S for about 10 minutes. It appears that ICS as we know it is VERY coated by Sense, but not necessarily in a bad way. It is still beautiful, just very different. I noticed that there were no quick settings in the notifications menu, which is one thing I was very curious about. But overall, really nice and REALLY amazing! Considering that is the crappy version of our EVOs, I cannot wait for this thing. The One-S screen was awesome, and I know it can't touch the screen (both size and resolution-wise) of our new toy coming out. But the UI was terrifically smooth, the feel was nice (physically), and Sense was overall not intrusive. It was just omnipresent. I'm not disappointed at all - and I know the devs will give us amazing options in terms of removing Sense, or tweaking Sense to give us cool features like quick settings and slide to change brightness.
I can't wait until the One-X is out so that I can play with that one, since it will give a much more accurate portrayal of our experience we can expect. May 18th can't get here soon enough!
I'm posting this everywhere . Its a post by toastcfh over in the oneX forums about how much HTC locked the phone down. Among many things, it is impossible to mount SD from recovery due to their locking, even with custom recovery and HTC dev unlock. If toast says it, it is so, I mean, the guy is an Android/Linux GENIUS. he's the one that had the Evo root method instructions posted before launch day.
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no, USB mount does not work in recovery. It appears to be locked out in recovery mode. the workarounds to get it working are one of two things.
(1) fastboot boot awesomeRecovery.img (this works because fastboot then boots recovery on the boot/temporary partition. So the you're not actually in recovery mode
(2) Offmode (this works because again you're again not technically in recovery mode. It uses the recovery ramdisk, kernel, and binaries but its still not technically recovery.
On that note I've seen suggestions that it's possibly a recovery issue with cwm and twrp. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case. If it were then in CWM u wouldn't have usb when u fastboot boot the recovery or in offmode (fair assumption since both these options use the same kernel, ramdisk and binaries as recovery?). Can it be fix? Not that i know of. It looks to me like a total radio or bootloader lockout from using USB in recovery. Which means on a radio or bootloader level USB is disabled in recovery mode.
On that note I think we should raise the point to HTC that this locking down of the device does not suite our needs.Key points of fail would be as follows.
(1) Can NOT flash the boot partition from recovery. I've personally contacted HTC on this numerous times and they seem to just not care. Responding with "It's a security issue" and so forth. I would love to know how this is a security issue of any sort. Every other Android device has this ability except HTC devices since they started the HTC unlock ordeal. It's utter fail IMHO and HTC should listen to our needs .
(2) Can NOT flash recovery or boot partitions from system. This issue is NOT a deal breaker and isn't so bad when it comes down to the nitty gritty. But since the issue above exists, flashing with applications like htc dumlock and such were our only options. These work around apps cant be used to flash now because of the lockpout from system and it wouldn't be such an issue if HTC didnt lock us out in recovery from flashing boot.
(3) Can NOT flash P*IMG.zips in hboot/bootloader anymore. For the unlocked device running a custom firmware this is a must. Specially when radio updates and such are needed from the OEM. We seen a big use of this on the Sensation when HTC updated the device from Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich. The update required new hboots, radios, and partitioning to actually use. So in that instead of having to flash a RUU Which didn't exist the only choice was to flash a custom P*IMG.zip that included all the radios and images need to run the builds. At this point we can't update those image/partitions without flashing an RUU. This makes no since and doesn't seem to do anything but make things more difficult on the unlocker to customize and modify their device.
(4) If all the conditions above HAVE to exist. Then why not give us documentation or utilities to flash fimware.zips from recovery like HTC does? When HTC was the proud Nexus device there was full support and documentation available on how to flash firmware on their devices. This made anyone choosing an HTC device blessed with knowing that their device was not only open and unlocked, but when flashing firmware that it was being flashed correctly to Google and HTC's standards. This code has now been moved out of recovery since right before the move to edify scripting and moved to vendor/htc/ (not arguing this choice as thats where it belongs from a maintaining point of view). But the problem is that vendor/htc is proprietary now. Which means Documentation and support for flashing firmware correctly is not available and left to developers of recoveries for the community to figure out. One would think if HTC was standing behind us that they would step up and give us a PROPER/OPEN/REAL unlock, or if they cant for the lame excuse of security concerns, then give us the documentation and utilities to flash the boot and firmware partitions properly. I mean really... what is there to lose there?
(5) WHAT WAS THE POINT OF HTC UNLOCK? I was to reach out and except us as a community. It was to keep us from having to exploit their firmware and look for holes to gain control of a device we rightfully own. WHAT DID HTC UNLOCK DO? It unlocked the devices at first and with each new revision of the unlock it gets more locked down and harder for us to use it as intended. WHAT DOES THAT LEAD TO? It leads to us hoping someone will take the time out of their life and exploit HTC's firmware so we can have access and control of our devices. I mean, it's bad when u have people poking a device with a paperclip to get a device unlocked to avoid a official unlock.
Bottom line; I'm personally fed up with HTC's unlock. It's absolute crap! It does not serve the purpose it was intended and only makes things harder then they were before. As a devoted HTC customer it has me questioning if my next device will be an HTC. With all the other options that would allow me to spend less time trying to gain proper access to my device and more time actually having fun with it, why choose HTC? Everyone else is shying away for these same issues. Everyone with an HTC unlocked device waits for someone to exploit HTC's firmware and give them a proper unlock. Why not just choose a device without the locked down/unlock instead? IDK but HTC needs to step up and listen to us. Every HTC forum with an HTC Unlock is screaming for these issues to be fixed.
My call to HTC is to fix these issue and/or give us proper documentation on flashing firmware to our devices via custom recoveries. The boot flashing lockout is dumb, pointless, and in NO WAY a security threat AT ALL and is nothing more then a CRAP RESPONSE to something that they sould be working to correct, instead of ignoring. In the end its hurting HTC's relations with developers and is ultimately doing the opposite of what it's original intent.
HTC, PLEASE READ AND LISTEN!!!11ONEone
To everyone else, SPREAD THE WORD!!!ONEone
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There has to be a way to petition HTC. Reading this is making me lean galaxy Nexus, ...and I F$%kin HATE Samsung.
Edit: this post is from the One X forum TWRP topic.
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No way I'm buying a Samsung phone.
I'll trust that someone will figure out how to get around the issue at some point. I love how the phone is stock anyway.
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PsiPhiDan said:
In my recent mental debate over the EVO 4G LTE vs. the Nexus, I've pondered the differences between stock ICS (pure/vanilla/etc) and the ICS we will see on the One series by HTC, including our very own EVO sequel. From the few screenshots I've seen of the One X, it does not remotely resemble the ICS I've learned to know and love with the work our devs our doing to bring the latest and greatest to the OG. Examples include the lockscreen (the Sense ring appears to still be the default one - is there an option to go straight ICS for the lockscreen?), the dock (I'm sure I can switch the launcher to fix this issue...), the notifications pulldown (I've actually not seen the Sense one yet, but I've heard various things indicating it is different from the one I'm no accustomed to), etc. Heck, even the color of the battery meter is green instead of blue!
Does anyone know or at least have an idea if we can change some of those things without rooting our devices? Having a brand new device, I don't plan on needing to root (or at least install custom ROMs, that is) for a while. But I am already missing the slick new interface Google has provided. While many claim that Sense 4.0 is going for the minimalistic approach to the latest iteration of their infamous skin, why do I feel like they have completely altered a widely praised operating system that has barely rolled out? I'm a little saddened when I see the video of the EVO 4G LTE and feel like the look of everything is dated.
But then I look at the hardware, think about the devs who'll inevitably move to this phone, and that excites me about the possibilities. I guess I'm more curious than disappointed, but I was wondering others' feelings on this topic.
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There IS PLENTY of apps on the play store that offer home screen and lock screen customization, such as launcherpro, milocker, gosms, as far as changing the status bar and battery bar i'm not so sure, i haven't been on a phone with s-on in a while and can't tell you what rootless tweaks would work