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Ehh why opera on touch hd is so slowly ? Safari browser on ipod touch was faster... much faster. Maybe some options in opera i should change ? Help...
The HD has a much higher resolution which means Opera takes more CPU resources to scroll. The browser is not really slow, it's more the scrolling effect that is slow.
There is no way to just fix this.
For almost the same reason, Everything on the HD is a little slower, such as finger scrolling through any list in Manila...
maziboss said:
Ehh why opera on touch hd is so slowly ? Safari browser on ipod touch was faster... much faster. Maybe some options in opera i should change ? Help...
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How good is the HSDPA signal at that location? What download speed are you achieving at that location?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2939599
Try it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2939599
Try it.
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cheers Vincent
If you answer the 'how?' question (please!), I most certainly will give it a go
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How good is the HSDPA signal at that location? What download speed are you achieving at that location?
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i'm connecting to my wifi wireless (10 Mbits).
And one question:
why when page is loading (see part of web) i can't click to another links on this web ?
nin2thevoid said:
The HD has a much higher resolution which means Opera takes more CPU resources to scroll. The browser is not really slow, it's more the scrolling effect that is slow.
There is no way to just fix this.
For almost the same reason, Everything on the HD is a little slower, such as finger scrolling through any list in Manila...
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What processor speed do you reckon would make the difference?
Tricky to answer. There aren't much WinMo devices using this resolution and most other devices perform exactly the same. Some even slower, such as the Diamond. HTC has done a lot of optimizations between the Diamond and the HD to make sure things run faster even under the same hardware. So it's not only a question of CPU speed.
Software updates on Opera can make a difference, just like software updates on the HD.
In short: I have yet to see a VGA or higher WinMo phone make Opera scroll absolutely smooth. As for page access times, this is much faster than in Internet Explorer, for example, and quite on par with Safari on the iPhone. Really the only difference I see is that scrolling has a lower framerate, but that is in most applications on the HD as far as I am concerned. It does everything, but it just isn't butter smooth.
Do try the link a couple of posts earlier, using Schap's Advanced Config. Making more resources available helps significantly, and makes me wonder why those settings don't come default on these devices??
if you have already set your system cache to 8000kb, there's an option to do the same in the Opera settings as well, it may make sense to do this as well !!!
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if you have already set your system cache to 8000kb, there's an option to do the same in the Opera settings as well, it may make sense to do this as well !!!
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That is completely different from the file system cache and thus will not change performance like that.
It's the browser cache, meaning the files you've already downloaded will be stored there, so the browser does not have to download them again when you visit the same page.
Increasing this will allow for more files to be stored, taking up storage on your device, not your RAM.
And the limit is 10MB, not 8MB, so you might as well go with 10MB then.
I notice that sometimes android will automatically refresh a web page, one situation that it happens the most is when I am browsing the internet and open a new window from my current page, after browsing the new window and closing it, the original page gets refreshed.
Is there a way to disable this? I dont want it to refresh unless I tell it to, and its really annoying.
I guess the browser simply give up previous page when you open a new window. this is a measure to save memory and increase efficiency. a simple solution is to use a third party broswer like opera mobile.
What's worse is sites that do a perma refresh on a page. The new faceook (non mobile) is an example of that. Totally unuseable with the Android browser
i hate the auto refresh crap. especially if im google reader.
Any news on this?
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I guess the browser simply give up previous page when you open a new window. this is a measure to save memory and increase efficiency. a simple solution is to use a third party broswer like opera mobile.
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Except that is SHOWS you the entire page just fine for a second, then refreshes.
Extremely annoying on EDGE especially.
I have no idea how one would go about fixing this, get into the browser code I guess.
I, alas, am no developer, but I'll donate 10 bux toward a developer fixing this, lol.
Ya that auto refresh is terrible, all it does is slow everything down since i only get edge
Most annoying part of android. I hate it to an unmeasurable degree.
I hate opera, as well as any other browser I have seen so far.
I hate this crap too. If someone can hack multi-touch into the browser, surely this can be fixed.
ya come on we need this fixed
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ya come on we need this fixed
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This is a caching issue. It has been discussed many times. Use the swapper script if it really is that important to you.
and "we" need to fix this? Yeah, I'm sure you're going to contribute a whole lot.
wow i'm really sorry, i know i can't do **** about it thats why i hope you guys help me i couldn't find a link with the swapper script
so if you could tell me that and how to apply it i would love you
+1 this problem also really bothers me, hopefully someone can put something together.
generic node i'm waiting fofr your help
Search the forums.
thank you so much generic node i owe you one for that
so i searched for g1 swapper script so if i just run that script the webpage won't auto refresh or what
I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?
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I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?
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Try using firefox instead on the defualt browser .its not perfect yet but its getting
better and better with every beta release .
I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?
Another possibility is to set the Android memory manager to be less aggressive in removing things from memory (you can use an app like AutoKiller to change the settings easily---try tweaking the settings to see if helps with your usage model).
I know AutoKiller will also allow you to lower the oom value for the process (the lower the oom, the less likely the memory manager will kill it in the background), but I don't think this will help for the browser (since the OS will dynamically change its oom each time you bring it to the foreground and send it to the background again). If someone knows a way to make the oom value permanently lower, that sounds like exactly what you want.
Maybe someone else has some ideas. I know often times launchers will have the option to keep themselves in memory, and CM6 has the option to keep messaging in memory (more like your situation), so it should be doable.
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I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?
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defo ,its much better now i figured since you were annoyed by 4 tab limit
you might find firefox helpful. because it doesnt have limit or if it does its more than 4 for sure also it has an aption called (your tabs from last time) which again i think
you will find it usefull ,you can also sync it with you pcs firefox too .
EDIT: I just tried it to make sure, even if you reboot your phone
and open firefox again you can just press on (your tabs from last time)
and it will restore them all.
The way I see it there are a few things you can do...
Firstly, you could try a renice script. It does what other people have suggested and changes the oomph value to what you like. It was commonly used on the g1 for the dialer so that you wouldn't miss phone calls lol. Its easy to do if you know the syntax, I would make you one myself if I was near a computer lol.
Another thing you could do is try an aosp/CM based rom, as those generally have much, much lower ram usage compared to sense.
Lastly you could try a different browser. There are so many to choose from I'm sure one will fit your needs.
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I use autokiller on my DZ, you have to have root to use this tho... quite satisfied about it, almost all the time 90+ free ram even when doing heavy stuff... quits the unused shizzle...
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I HIGHLY recommend Dolphin Browser HD.
It is significantly faster than the stock Browser and I have had no issues with Android closing it down. One feature I like is that there is actually an 'Exit' button in the menu for those individuals who have OCD like me and don't like the Browser running in the background when not wanted.
Thus far, this is the best mobile Browser I have used. That being said, I have not tried Firefox and have been a regular user of Opera Mini in the past on other devices.
You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
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I think its more of poorly optimized software because im pretty sure that google devs don't even utilize the full 512mb of RAM in 2.2. Chances are its the HTC sense limiting you.
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Yeah I don't think this issue is anything to do with a lack of RAM.
I may try another ROM, however I'm just not up for flashing all the time like I used to with my old Desire or G1 before that. I want a 100% working ROM, preferably something that allows overclocking with a kernel that doesn't break stuff.
And I also want my HTC phone dialler/contacts as well, not vanilla or a cheap copy from the Market. Oh, and I hate the vanilla lockscreen - it's just hard to operate compared to the Sense one. I don't know why it's so hard to unlock side to side on Android - the iPhone takes a little flick and it's unlocked - vanilla Android is like a mission to ensure I've dragged it far enough across to unlock.
And I don't want my keyboard or capacitive keys or quick keys mullered up (I am running a Euro DZ).
If these issues can be dealt with easily when setting up the ROM/phone then I'm prepared to devote a little time to doing it.
So - any suggestions, please?
dont use htc sense roms.
I'm running the virtuous sense rom with his advanced kernel, ive ran the normal rom about 2 weeks, and ive yet to see differences other then a huuuuuuuge speed increase... i would just try it once if i were you its such a relieve...
I played with the latest over the weekend. I ended up uninstalling it. I'd hit a page with scripting and then firefox would lock up and crash.
Web2Go isn't perfect, but at least it doesn't crash as often.
This has nothing to do with RAM. This phone handles RAM just fine. Use Miren and thank me later. It's the best browser by far!
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You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
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No text reflow = showstopper.
Unless I'm just being blind, I can't find any way to enable this in the settings for Miren.
It's sense. Sense roms use way more RAM than vanilla roms do. Also check out dolphin HD or dolphin mini browser.
Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.
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Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.
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I've now installed Enomther's Official rom - what a difference to the speed of the phone! It absolutely flies, even when clocked at a lower CPU speed, and it appears to retain stuff in memory a lot better than the standard Sense rom. Also, there's over 100MB more of free RAM afte a fresh boot.
I'm definitely sold on the efficiency of stock Android, but I'm now missing some of my HTC goodies... I don't think anyone can deny that the HTC dialler is a different level to the rudimentary Android one. And I am missing my HTC browser - that seems a bit smoother, and the text reflow is more reliable, the stock browser seems a bit temperamental on that front.
Other than that, I can live without all the other Sense stuff. So my next question is, can the dialler and browser be installed on my new rom? Do they have any dependencies which would prevent me using them? How would I go about ripping the apps from the HTC rom? I'm an ADB noob so I need some kind expert to tell me how
I cant find any xoom/honeycomb Information on this problem so i wanted to see if i am the only one frustrated by this....
If i have multiple tabs open in the browser and go do something else, then come back to the browser later, it will automatically and annoyingly refresh all the tabs at once. This seems so unneccesary and slows down the zoom.
Anyone have this/hate this problem?
This is happening to me as well on my Samsung Vibrant since I updated to Froyo. I posted this a while ago, but nobody seems to be bothered about it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=958494
This is very annoying and time consuming as well as it is a battery and data eater.
I've look around with no luck.
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I cant find any xoom/honeycomb Information on this problem so i wanted to see if i am the only one frustrated by this....
If i have multiple tabs open in the browser and go do something else, then come back to the browser later, it will automatically and annoyingly refresh all the tabs at once. This seems so unneccesary and slows down the zoom.
Anyone have this/hate this problem?
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Mobile devices simply dont have the RAM/cache to keep the pages in memory. If you leave the browser and do a bunch of things it must release the page so you CAN do those other things.
Its nothing XOOM specific. Just remember, even though the xoom is very powerful its not a PC.
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Mobile devices simply dont have the RAM/cache to keep the pages in memory. If you leave the browser and do a bunch of things it must release the page so you CAN do those other things.
Its nothing XOOM specific. Just remember, even though the xoom is very powerful its not a PC.
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A gig of ram... shouldn't that be enough to keep a few pages open?
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A gig of ram... shouldn't that be enough to keep a few pages open?
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Yeah it will keep a few tab open if they are low resource pages and you haven't accessed 20 apps before you go back to the browser.
Like I said this isn't a pc.
El Daddy said:
Yeah it will keep a few tab open if they are low resource pages and you haven't accessed 20 apps before you go back to the browser.
Like I said this isn't a pc.
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Yep people don't realize that on your PC when you run out of RAM you can page to disk. On Android unless you have some special stuff going on when you run out of RAM there isn't anything to do but pull the app that was active longest ago and remove it from memory.
If I load a few pages in a browser (have tried many different browsers, all works the same) they gets killed after a sleeping for a while, meaning I have to reload the content. It seems to happen after a certain time not being used.
This did not happen on my HTC Desire HD.
I tried today to place a browser (miren) into the /system/app folder, to see if that made any difference, but it didn't.
Why is this happning? any why not on the desire HD?
any hack I can do to fix it?
It's useful to when on fast internet load 10 pages and read them sometime later.
Just a guess, but it may be a RAM management thing. My N1 will exit the browser occasionally even when the phone is asleep to free up RAM.
I'm experiencing this issue as well and it's irritating. I wondered, too, if it was a ram management issue, but it'll happen even after just a few minutes with no other apps launched. None of my other phones have closed the browser for ram issues without a long time of inactivity and many other apps opened using lots of ram.
Is there some way to specify the browser as preferred or something so the system won't close it, in case it is ram management?
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Is there some way to specify the browser as preferred or something so the system won't close it, in case it is ram management?
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I guess it has something to do with ram management, so how to adjust that?
I tried putting it in system folder, that didn't make any difference, tried running it as root, no difference.
Maybe another kernel would do it differently? anybody knows? Don't want to spend lots of time installing a new kernel if it doesn't make any difference.
This is both a browser and a ram management issue.
Android automatically kills off apps that are using ram on the background after they are inactive for a period and most browsers, the stock one included, tend to hog a surprising amount of memory which in turn makes them priority number 1 for android to kill off.
I have no answer as to how to fix this problem aside from trying other browsers, sorry.
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This is both a browser and a ram management issue.
Android automatically kills off apps that are using ram on the background after they are inactive for a period and most browsers, the stock one included, tend to hog a surprising amount of memory which in turn makes them priority number 1 for android to kill off.
I have no answer as to how to fix this problem aside from trying other browsers, sorry.
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what you're saying is not completely accurate, because this does not happen in other phones, desire HD has less RAM also.
I don't think it's a browser issue, as I have tried many different and it will work the same. The ram does not need to be critically low before it gets killed, it might happen when there is more than 250mb free
It happens for me with messaging app also. It can be the only thing running with loads of free ram. And suddenly its killed, very annoying because its pretty slow starting again. Never happened in my SG SII
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what you're saying is not completely accurate, because this does not happen in other phones, desire HD has less RAM also.
I don't think it's a browser issue, as I have tried many different and it will work the same. The ram does not need to be critically low before it gets killed, it might happen when there is more than 250mb free
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The Note isn't my first android phone that does this (mind you I haven't owned any HTC devices) but if this is the case then it means that ram management on the Note is quite aggressive. The only way to "fix" this is with custom kernels unless Samsung does something about it themselves (and I wouldn't count on that)
I'm experiencing the same problem but I don't really mind since I don't open many tabs at time. So I just have to go to the history tab to reopen the page.
At least for the stock browser it would have been better just to save the URL while killing the browser so when u open it again it will reload all the pages.
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Is it possible the S-pen places greater demands on the Note's RAM than other phones? Perhaps it tries to keep a certain amount of RAM free at all times for this purpose.
Maybe, but remember that with higher resolution and higher amount of RAM the device will use more RAM.
An example is computers. I have a netbook and a standard notebook (laptop). The netbook has 1GB RAM and the resolution is 1024x600 and running Ubuntu. It uses 90MB at boot (after tweaking)
My notebook has 2GB RAM, and the resolution is 1366 x 768 and is also running Ubuntu. It uses 200MB at boot (same tweaks as the notebook)
- Higher resolution = More pixels and more information that needs prosessing on the screen
- More RAM = It can allow itself to use more
I've seen A LOT of this at Ubuntuforums and other places with people with 8 and 16GB RAM, and they are complaining about high RAM usage. It's the same with computers with HD screens.
I've tried to find the thread about this, but i can't find it
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Maybe, but remember that with higher resolution and higher amount of RAM the device will use more RAM.
An example is computers. I have a netbook and a standard notebook (laptop). The netbook has 1GB RAM and the resolution is 1024x600 and running Ubuntu. It uses 90MB at boot (after tweaking)
My notebook has 2GB RAM, and the resolution is 1366 x 768 and is also running Ubuntu. It uses 200MB at boot (same tweaks as the notebook)
- Higher resolution = More pixels and more information that needs prosessing on the screen
- More RAM = It can allow itself to use more
I've seen A LOT of this at Ubuntuforums and other places with people with 8 and 16GB RAM, and they are complaining about high RAM usage. It's the same with computers with HD screens.
I've tried to find the thread about this, but i can't find it
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Excellent points.
solved
So I played with root explorer and moved many of the samsung apps that I don't use out of /system/app folder.
I'm not sure what exactly did it. The email program was the only one I deleted (by accident) - but it was set to not sync, so it shouldn't be working in the background anyway.
I also put the Miren browser in the /system/app folder. Didn't notice any difference to that at first, so not sure if that contributed at all.
Another thing I did was to install adfree. It didn't seem to work, but I don't know if it made any changes that would make a differnece. I'm just listing up everything I did that day.
But the biggest change after all this is:
BATTERY LIFE !!
has doubled! I used to get around 10-12 hours with moderat usage, yesterday I was at 50% after 12 hours usage. And Miren browser now does not shut down, except I push the phones with other ram hungry applications.
Funny is, that display used to be high up on the battery usage statistics, but now Andoird OS is very high, but the phones use much less battery! Doesn't make any sense, but I don't complain..
I'm running stock european 2.3.6 firmware that I downloaded from sammobile.com. I rooted it, but didn't notice any differnce before or after the root.
Can you list down what apps did u remove? Thanks
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Can you list down what apps did u remove? Thanks
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I moved the following to /data/app, but they don't seem to work anymore, not sure what is needed to make them work, but anyway disabling them did the job.
Email was deleted.
Analogclock,
bluesa
buddiesnow
crayonphysics
days
dualclock
emailwidget
fmradio
kobo
livewallpapers
oceanweatherwxga
samsungapps
samsungappsuna3
samsungservice
samsungwidget_news
samsungwidget_stockclock
splannerappwidget
videoeditor
voicetogo
windyweatherwxga
zinio
nick5000 said:
If I load a few pages in a browser (have tried many different browsers, all works the same) they gets killed after a sleeping for a while, meaning I have to reload the content. It seems to happen after a certain time not being used.
Why is this happning? any why not on the desire HD?
any hack I can do to fix it?
It's useful to when on fast internet load 10 pages and read them sometime later.
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I am pretty sure it is not a memory management issue. I come from the GalaxySII and it never happened despite having many browser windows open. I think this phone now is harder trying to close unused apps, based on inactivity time, to improve battery life (which is much better than SGS2) and shuts down apps that may not allow the CPU to go to deep sleep.
To me it does not look like an issue, more like a feature, it is not like you get you work "killed" or unsaved. And you could always load pages from your browser's history. -I know, I know, you like to preload your webpages to look at them later.-
Also, updated versions for the note have several options to battery saving within the browser, have you tried them?
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I am pretty sure it is not a memory management issue. I come from the GalaxySII and it never happened despite having many browser windows open. I think this phone now is harder trying to close unused apps, based on inactivity time, to improve battery life (which is much better than SGS2) and shuts down apps that may not allow the CPU to go to deep sleep.
To me it does not look like an issue, more like a feature, it is not like you get you work "killed" or unsaved. And you could always load pages from your browser's history. -I know, I know, you like to preload your webpages to look at them later.-
Also, updated versions for the note have several options to battery saving within the browser, have you tried them?
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More excellent points. I'll bet you're right.
runaway64 said:
I am pretty sure it is not a memory management issue. I come from the GalaxySII and it never happened despite having many browser windows open. I think this phone now is harder trying to close unused apps, based on inactivity time, to improve battery life (which is much better than SGS2) and shuts down apps that may not allow the CPU to go to deep sleep.
To me it does not look like an issue, more like a feature, it is not like you get you work "killed" or unsaved. And you could always load pages from your browser's history. -I know, I know, you like to preload your webpages to look at them later.-
Also, updated versions for the note have several options to battery saving within the browser, have you tried them?
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Yeah, it might be something to better battery life, but then it's the complete opposite of my recent findings that the battery life was much better while the browser does not get killed (after removing system apps).
I guess this issue/feature wouldn't have been a problem if I lived in a world with perfect high speed internet access all the time. here in China, it can get slow, some pages take a long time to load, so why should I want to reload them..
also, when I fly, i like to load up 10 pages and read them while up in the air. last week I was very disappointed when i found out that just leaving the phone by itself for halv and hour had made the browser restart.
Anyway, I'm happy now, after the mod Miren browser does not reload alot, only after loading several heavy progams in between. Still, it makes me want to optimise it more, so i could get even more free ram to use.
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Yeah, it might be something to better battery life, but then it's the complete opposite of my recent findings that the battery life was much better while the browser does not get killed (after removing system apps).
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Wait, what? I interpreted your results as consistent with his hypothesis. You removed apps that were draining the battery, allowing better battery life. Perhaps that's why the system is no longer compelled to shut down the browser.
bigmout said:
Wait, what? I interpreted your results as consistent with his hypothesis. You removed apps that were draining the battery, allowing better battery life. Perhaps that's why the system is no longer compelled to shut down the browser.
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he said that the better battery life is because the browser gets shut down.