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so these are the two new phones from Microsoft.
KIN ONE:
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What are your thoughts?
Has this remotely something to do with the WP7 core?
Can it be ported to other devices?
These phones are clearly intended for the "social generation"; success / fail?

well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...

Looks really good....nice as drinking a can of 7up !
Videos below !
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15292
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15296
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15297

i quite like the kin2, but the kin1 looks like a tamagochi to me and a 5mpx camera with such small screen? dunno :S

Don´t like any of them
They should made something spectacular instead of this...
But MS will never loose....

nanoware said:
well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...
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lol, A wink to iPad/iPhone/iTouch maybe??
But yeah, strange indeed.
My impression regarding KIN
The buttons of the KIN2 could be somewhat bigger, maybe have some other look to it, They look like shiny, cheap plastic buttons out of toys..
But then again, these are mock ups, maybe they look and feel great IRL (doubtfull, but no way to tell at this moment).
The Kin1 looks like a girls-phone, there the design works, and the buttons actually look better.
The bottom piece is bigger than to top piece, I wonder how that will work out.
But the resolution of both screens are low:
KIN1 320x240 (QVGA!!)
KIN2 480x320 (HVGA)
And Kin2 is supposed to be for video watching?
Come on, please enter the year 2010, I am not asking 1080i on a mobile, but VGA/WVGA is totally feasable..
EqX

What the hell does kin mean? Why did my apartment cut off my cable? Why is my mom orderin cable from at&t? Why am i mad? Why am i writing in all caps? Why do i prefer kin 2!?

I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.

rorytmeadows said:
I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.
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I don't. 10+

So these are original, running wp7 core, purpose designed, well built, purpose packed, zune pass over the air, updates over the air... retailed with Verizon which the kids like...
I think MS got a winner, it will sell well, the UI is gorgeous.

If this gets the backing of XDA this could be amazing.
The lack of 3rd party apps is a slight worry though.

I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
Bare in mind that these 2 phones cover the section of crappy (low tech) handsets in the market.....like from Nokia, SonyErric, LG etc.
If you actually compare the CRAPPY handsets out there and chuck these 2 in with them these phones actually PWN them all !
SO well done introducing something new and PWN'ing the crappy handset market.....NEXT !!

vardig said:
I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
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You clearly haven't seen some of there Japanese phones, there actually quite good.

They look 'kin awful.

I think the KIN ONE looks cute we will have to wait to see what they really like?

This Kin stuff, aren't Microsoft like wasting resources on another seperate os?

This is kind of neat. You could argue it's not really a smartphone, but I like it. It's a brilliant piece of minimalism - it's all the essentials done well and nothing else. The big question for me would be the browser. If the browser's great then I can really live without most apps, if not I can imagine it feeling restrictive after a while.
To the gentleman above, I don't really think that MS is wasting resources here. They're probably reusing a lot of the same code, and just tweaking the UI for a different effect. But what an effect! I really don't think there's anything else like this one the market.

Neither appeal to me...you would have thought MS could have done way better than those relics!

Do we even know what screen size each device has? I will say I am kind of envious of the fact that the Kin 2 has what could be a nice 8mp camera with flash.

Honest to god those might just be the two most hideous phones I've ever seen.

HTC Evo or Samsung Epic?

Im going to be eligible for an upgrade in October and I know others are waiting on theirs. Id like to know if you are going to upgrade, what are you planning to move to and why. Here is descriptions of both phones.
Samsung Epic 4G Preview
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HTC 4G Evo Review

I can't stand the samsung phones, especially after seeing how they treated the Moment (worse than the Hero was treated by HTC and Sprint). Not to mention I think the Epic looks like crap, and the Evo just looks freakin sexy

Touchwiz is pretty damn ugly and it's quite pervasive in the Galaxy S operating system. Then again, there will likely be custom roms and lots of support for the Epic since it will be on all major carriers. The screen kicks the EVO's ass and it's allegedly quite responsive, unlike the Moment. I think we need to wait for full reviews of the Epic.

I'm keeping my eye on the Epic too. There were some good points to the Moment but the bad outweighed the good.

They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?

cmccracken said:
They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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Both are intended for purses obviously.

lets hope software updates last longer than 6 months.

ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
I think 3.5 to 3.8 inch would be my range as far as screens go.. any bigger and to me its like a mini tablet.lol
but like all will skip samsung because of one reason. they never have any good extended batteries.. unlike htc... where they are plenty... so might get a evo ( maybe ) around dec.. who knows.. still love my hero...to even think bout it.. I mean look at the dream..lol they got froyo.. the hero will still get support for a awhile..so why switch..when that money can go to something else.. like food,lol

cmccracken said:
They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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the Evo will fit nicely in my back pocket. Hell, it'll fit nicely in my front pocket of any pair of my jeans. And it'll rarely be in my pocket anyway, since it sits on my seat in my car when I'm driving, and it'd sit on my desk while I'm at work, just the way my Hero does now

But the hero fits in my watch pocket also the epic is supposed to have a faster gpu. And I love my hero, but I like the idea of a keyboard for gaming.
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im like the epic better but like what has been said ill wait for reveiws and see what people say on here and see if samsung will fix any problems that might happen like with the evo

I plan on waiting for the dual cores next year anyways, not eligible for upgrade may.
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Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.

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Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
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1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
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If its essentially the same as the other Galaxy S line up the yes easily rootable. The Dev Support should stretch across the lineup too.
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
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I have no specific preference but they are nice
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
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Neither! I want AOSP Froyo on it.
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.
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They just need to announce a damn release date.

spiritcrusher33 said:
ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
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I have the seidio 3500 extended battery also. What holster are you using?!?!? I can't find anyone that fits it.

Im due for an update in october as well, I'm goin for the epic!
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Hard to say. This is how I see it.
Epic: Best hardware, good physical size.
Evo: Full support of xda.
Top-notch hardware vs. top-notch modding community, it's a very hard decision (for me, at least).

I'm leaning towards the Epic. What keeps me on HTC phones is the support of this community. If that is going to carry over to the Epic, there is no real reason to stay with the Evo. HTC has poor support for their phones which has been proven by their lack of porting Froyo to the Hero. Clearly it is doable. Additionally, if the Epic crosses carriers, we will see a lot of great minds working on the same phone.

Ive read that the actual processing power on the galaxy s is quite better than the snapdragon processors, so if that's your thing...
Plus the pervasiveness of this phone might lead to a lot of work getting done in the xda community.

Am i the only one..

Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
/hides behind stone wall.

Probably

backdown said:
Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
/hides behind stone wall.
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well I don't blame. I'm assuming you live in the stone ages since your hiding behind a stone wall and think this phone is cool...
haha.

probably... i mean to make such a big hype for a phone that's a brick? no 4g...? no front facing camera? this literally looks like a Nintendo DS as a phone. It doesn't really appeal to me and probably a lot of other people.

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Probably not. It is an industry first, but it's also pretty much just a gimmick, like 3D. I would have been much more interested in a dual core phone, or even an Evo with an updated processor.
I can see how it would be good for mulittasking...if it had the power of a dual core processor...but the specs are very underwhelming, and the battery life is going to be horrible.

Its not that bad a phone but sprint did themselves a great disservice by hyping it up so much. People where expecting something huge and instead got a phone.
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it's sort of like taking a ds. And then taking out the gaming capabilities of it, and then.... selling it.

backdown said:
Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
/hides behind stone wall.
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Yes. Yes you are.

The issue is that it "may" be a good phone once some people get their hands on it and play with it.
But you cannot deny the overwhelming negative response (see their facebook page) as a pretty big sign that it may not be a good phone.
If you look at it from a sales/marketing POV they would much rather have a phone that everyone thinks looks really cool at a press release, but then falls a little short of expectation in the real world. At least they sell some phones, and the high initial praise helps sustain the life of the phone.
Now look at this situation, especially in this economy, 99% of the initial response is bordering "verbal lynch mob", even if it a good phone, how many people will actually give it a chance?
First impressions can kill...........

It's an interesting concept, I'll give them that, but it's made by Kyocera, looks like a brick and not a lot of developers will go out of their way to make use of both screens.

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Its not that bad a phone but sprint did themselves a great disservice by hyping it up so much. People where expecting something huge and instead got a phone.
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I've seen almost nothing on the phone, but I agree. The hype was the worst of it.
I recall saying something similar would be great. I dropped the thought when tablets came.
EDIT-saw the video. WTF? Now I know why people said brick. I no longer have any interest even in passing.

The biggest issue is that from what i understand, its a basic Android. Phone with a 2nd gen snap dragon running 2 screens. Won't that hurt performance?
Sent from my evo 4g

Say "neat-o" and move on down the line.
You have been EVOfied.

4G - I don't have it...and i don't need it.
Front facing camera - Mine sucks..i hardly use it.
Maybe it's just the cool factor of it, but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.

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but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.
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And a frumpy ***** in a business suit (echo) looks more professional than a supermodel (evo). Guess which one I want in my pants?

uniquenameevo said:
And a frumpy ***** in a business suit looks more professional than a supermodel. Guess which one I want in my pants?
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lol. processor isn't to bad tho... same as as shift (which beats the evo) but clocked even higher.

aimbdd said:
lol. processor isn't to bad tho... same as as shift (which beats the evo) but clocked even higher.
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Nope. It's loaded with a first gen snapdragon... I repeat. Epic fail.

backdown said:
Maybe it's just the cool factor of it, but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.
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now thats just silly!
But, remember,
you will never get an update past the OS that they ship it with
you get like a whole 5 apps that can utilize both screens, and no developer is going to waste time expanding their code base to accommodate this
and now i have lost interest! lol

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Nope. It's loaded with a first gen snapdragon... I repeat. Epic fail.
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Actually its the second gen check out engadget fire more proof...i don't feel like providing it.
. Under the hood there's a 1GHz second-gen Snapdragon running Android 2.2 -- we'll forgive the older software because Kyocera had to do extensive customization to add dual-screen support to seven core apps like the browser, email, and messaging.
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Samsung Vs HTC owners

I was wondering why do all the evo owners that's bashing the nexus s as a inferior phone are the same ones making threads about being on their 4th evo replacement? I'm a evo owner by the way and I'm on my launch one, no problem.
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A lot of people apparently hate samsung for phone quality and lack of updates. I have an Evo, and I've had a samsung phone before [not a smart phone], but it never did me wrong. And I have my 32" Samsung LED tv...beautiful. I have nothing against them, personally.

People can't live without conflict and trying to aggravate each other.

I owned a Samsung Epic and an Evo. I'm posting this from my Evo because the Samsung just wouldn't work after the froyo update. Samsung's support is worthless imo. My wife and sister in law both have Samsung Intercept's and their about to get different models of phones because those phones are worthless and the Sprint rep I've been talking to knows it so...
As for the new phone, maybe they fixed the many issues plaguing their other phones but my old Epic's (yes, I tried 4 different ones...) Gps could only get a lock down to 6 meters vs the Evo's 1 meter, and the bluetooth stack on froyo just sucked. Sounds would stop playing, I missed lots of calls... Until they prove themselves again that they can make a product and support it, they won't see a dime of my money.
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I was wondering why do all the evo owners that's bashing the nexus s as a inferior phone are the same ones making threads about being on their 4th evo replacement? I'm a evo owner by the way and I'm on my launch one, no problem.
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Some such as myself want to always move onto bigger and better things and Samsung have the potential to be that and do that as that's what they're always selling (See Epic 4g) and they always come up short. The Instinct was dubbed the original iphone killer [email protected], Samsung Epic was supposed to be better than the Evo and it's still crippled with GPS issues and now this phone even with it's supposed better screen still has issues with the color white (with the blue tint) and this day and age releasing a phone with not even a micro SD slot for expandable memory. Samsung is a company that pushes you to almost want to love them, then gives you reasons to LOATHE them. And I mean really loathe them.

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Haha my turn to use this pic.

I attack that pic!
Dmg roll 18 3d6+12 sucka

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Haha my turn to use this pic.
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ROFL thanks for making my drink the new accessory to my laptop keyboard!

Going from an evo to a nexus s is like going from a BMW to Mercedes; your BMW(evo) is the complete package and still up to date yet you want the Mercedes (nexus) because your BMW has a little extra mileage on it. The nexus s isn't worth leaving the evo why waste your upgrade on a phone that's barely superior. I'm not bashing it I'm just saying who cares about the "pure google experience" that single core processor will be out of date by the end of 2011. I'm not saying the evo 3D will be the best but I wont waste my upgrade on that plastic single core Samsung phone lol.

Threads like these are retarded, like that team crap over twilight, which side are you on? We already have several HTC vs Samsung threads a few pages down.

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Threads like these are retarded, like that team crap over twilight, which side are you on?
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I don't know about you but I'm all for the muscly guy myself.

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I don't know about you but I'm all for the muscly guy myself.
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Shark boy?

so i was looking for something that said team evo so i searched "team evo" and after clicking show more results in google images i came up with a rather interesting picture..see for yourself haha! thing said page 9

Which one

i'm on a pc...

/ clicks classic
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K, which one?

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K, which one?
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only posted so you can see the evo's camera takes good pictures

I like the one with that barb looking thing.

This one?
That's a nice phone!
Edit: pic unrelated

So evo's in the lead? Haha
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Not really loving it...

Well, been using my GS3 for about 4 days now and I must say that I am somewhat underwhelmed by it so far. The jump between my EVO to the Epic 4G Touch was much greater than that from the E4GT to the GS3 (as expected). However, there are 3 gripes that I just bothering me more than I initially thought they would:
1. Camera - The Epic 4G Touch's picture quality is light-years ahead than that of the GS3. This is really unacceptable for a flagship device. Sure, the shutter speed is quite fast, but the quality is just not there. Part of the reason I skipped over the Galaxy Nexus was the camera inferiority to the E4GT and here I am with the GS3. The HTC EVO LTE at the store seemed to take amazing pictures. Haven't compared them side-by-side, but I feel I'll be more disappointed if I do.
2. The power button - I don't see a lot of people complaining about this, but I'm having a difficult time adjusting to the power button. The curved bezel in conjunction with the flushness of the button makes it hard to find/press it most of the time. Even though it feels quite clickable, it takes some digging around every time I need to use it. I'm hoping that the Slim Case I ordered will help with this as the cutouts will guide me better. It's a small gripe, I know, but it's enough to annoy me.
3. Speed - I know that this phone will smoke most of the competition, including the E4GT, but I'm not really blown-away by it. Once the apps are opened (which I admit to being quite fast), it seems to take longer for the information to download and appear (Play Store, Facebook, etc). I don't know if it's the connection or the phone itself. Never had this issue with the previous phone.
That's about it really. I know it's nothing major, but it's enough to taint my experiences. I'll give it another week before I decide what to do with it. But I'm really leaning towards the HTC EVO LTE (even though I find it hideous) or just going with a Galaxy Nexus (and not have to worry about future upgrades, etc).
Sorry about the rant... just had to let it out.

Speed -
You don't feel smoothness , and fast information because android
The problem is not the device , its the software
Android is still "buggy" , i have Asus Prime Tegra 3 -and i dont feel smoothness
Maybe next android version will be more smoother and faster

Just return it and stop complaining

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The power button on mine is not quite right too, it is less flushed against the bezel compared to the volume rocker and creaks at the touch, it also feels spongy when pushed. That's not enough to slate the phone though because I know the capabilities of this beast hence I'm waiting for my exchange. If yours is the same ill advise you to do the same.
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You're using the Sprint version right? If so, why are you posting in the international GT-I9300 forum?
Plus, it's already been quoted in several reviews that the US versions have a slight lag during usage that the international version does not. Just return the phone and move on.

@Stea1thmode: Thanks bud! Will do!
@everyone else: Take your meds and learn to deal with criticism.

This phone was really smooth for me. Bur my major problem is not being able to get into download mode.
The screen is also mediocre. =/ Wondering if I should have bought LG Optimus 4x instead, I only picked this phone for the custom firmwares..

There's nothing worse than having an S3 on Sprint. It's bad enough that you have to deal with the inferior CPU, but also the non-existent LTE network that is set to debut sometime between now and when hell freezes over.

why do US variant owners come to the international section to B!TCH and complain?????

insomnia said:
why do US variant owners come to the international section to B!TCH and complain?????
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Because we can.

akarol said:
@everyone else: Take your meds and learn to deal with criticism.
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Criticism would be if you told Samsung that some things could be better. You're just complaining about a phone that doesn't live up to your standards.
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Because we can.
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O, we have an internet macho man here .... tough guy eh?

Closed, because you posted this in the wrong forum for a start, and because its a stupid thread.