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Considering its limited memory, I was wondering when everyone thinks the G1 is likely to reach the end of its usefulness.. especially as android develops and requires better hardware to power it.
Any ideas?
I know for certain this topic has been discussed in this subforum atleast two times. Maybe you could join the discussion in those threads?
I know you weren't looking for an answer like this but I suppose it depends on the actual user of the phone, when I had my LG Vu (I know its not a smart phone) I loved it for about a week and absolutely needed a new phone, while my father has his LG Vu and uses it all the time and doesn't even think about getting a new phone since his does the job.
To me this phone will be good for a year or two before I decide to move further, unless I'm influenced to get a different phone which I probably would be
I'm hoping that Android in develop and improve in such a way that it will optimize the use of the current hardware. Optimize the hardware drivers, improve the coding, etc.
Considering that the Dream, Magic, Hero all have the same CPU, I do hope they make more progress on optimizing it for the CPU.
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
Karolis said:
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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True, I still visit the Tmobile Shadows forum on this site and there are still roms being cooked for it.
I change phones almost every year if not 2 times a year....but havent changed my phone since I got the G1 because...and it still impresses friends almost every week....
Karolis said:
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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This is so true. I first found this site when I got an HTC Wizard. When I got it the model had long since been discontinued, but the developers here were still active. With what I got here it managed to put an old phone on par with many new models.
Personally until an android phone comes out with a significantly better processor, screen, camera, and with a physical keyboard, I'm probably not going anywhere.
G1 will die when someone releases a phone with twice the processing power, hardware-accelerated 3D, a decent camera (5+ MP, autofocus, flash) true multitouch screen, and at half the power consumption.
it may never truly die
Just Google "nanoloop" to see how long a cult object can outlive its perceived consumer life cycle. I see the G1 as having great potential for achieving cult status, due in part to its homely chin.
Like those above have said i honestly don't see this ever dying out. This was and is the first Android phone and for the fact i see it always being around being worked on.
The G1 will die:
1. After the iPhone dies
2. After all the devs stop developing <- highly unlikely
3. When T-Mobile makes a huge mistake
Just my two cents.
Cult Status probably not but long lifetime
The G1 in my opinion does not have that much of a cult status potential since today the lifecycle is wa quicker than in 1989. I mean the GB was produced for like 8-10 years! Mine still works and would never sell it or give it away.
I know that I will want a new phone in probably a year (or whenever the next nice android device WITH a hardware keyboard and a better camera + batterylife) will come out. But even then I will keep my G1 as second navigation device? GPS dataloger? Mobile Router? Remote Control?....
there is so much great softwware that works great on the G1 hardware and unless you dont want to run som stupid 3D UI or game on it I dont see a reason to get rid of it.
with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." Haha. But on a serious note and I mean no offense by this but if you have so much hatred for the G1 why are you on this forum? Some people pay way more for a phone that does less and is way worse than you believe this phone to be. Granted everyone is looking for different things. Perfect example a co-worker bought a blackberry bold and hated it with a passion, his son however loved it (me I would never consider paying more for what I deem an inferior phone). So it is all personal preference, but I don't see this phone dying anytime soon unless another phone with better specs and a full keyboard comes along.
dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Man... you should probably pop a valium or something. It's a phone, not genocide.
- internal memory. This is obviously a weakpoint, but it doesn't affect everyone equally. For example I only keep about a dozen apps installed at any given time. My guess is most users who have hundreds of apps installed are not using them all on a frequent basis.
- exchange email. First, you have to understand that the G1 is targeted firstly as a consumer device. Most consumers do not need exchange mail access. That said, there is nothing keeping Android implementers from adding exchange support if they wish, which is exactly what we're seeing HTC do now on some of their self-branded phones.
- incoming calls. I've never had my phone fail to wake or ring on an incoming call. Perhaps this is a network issue or you have a custom android build installed? Generally speaking the "stock" builds are very responsive to incoming calls. There is a thread in the dev subforum that roughly compares various builds and their incoming call alertness.
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Too bad you have so many issues with the G1.
How many apps do you have installed and how many do you actually use? I doubt most people have more than 30-40 apps installed that they used more than a few times. It has enough space for at least that many and probably more.
Not all phone support Exchange, in fact most don't. Even iphone didn't for a long time. Android does have the ability to use Exchange now if you have the right official or custom build. It is not 'fraud' when a feature is missing or overlooked. If you go overboard with how you describe issues, people won't take you seriously.
I have not read any issues with G1 being unresponsive on receiving calls on the official build. If you are having unresponsive functionality while using a custom build or any app that may be conflicting, then it is not a problem with the G1. I've experience slowness when I used the overclock app, but I had underclocked it to 128mhz. That was MY fault. If you are having problems with the official G1 build with no apps installed, than maybe it's time to talk to T-Mobile and get it replaced since nobody else has that problem.
In an ideal world, everything would be perfect on the first release. It's almost never that way. There are very few exception to this, but they are probably never always perfect either. I suppose NASA or Dept of Defense could get the first release to be perfect.. but DoD has over $700,000,000,000 budget. Also the phone would cost more than what most people would want to pay.. also it would take a long time to before it got released..
For me, as long as the is still workin its useful until something else catches my eyes.. but nothin haven't yet and there so much u can do with the g1.
EDIT- yea if there is atleast one dev still grindin the g1 will never die
I'm not going to answer certain inane rantings (see above), I only feel the need to say the following.
Look at the forum for the HTC wizard. It has seen very little traffic since 2008. On the other hand, I would advise people to keep their wizards rather than buy a newer phone, because of what we do here on XDA. It's making the software do incredible things that makes hacking what it is. It's what makes open source glorious. Personally, continually buying new things just because the hardware is better only supports the standard microsoft/apple/ibm/everyotherestablishedcompany method of releasing new hardware with primitive software implementations. Just look at what we've done with the dream so far:
Apps to SD
Media to SD
Root Access
Full CPU Scaling
VPN Access
Themes
Scripts
Volume Hacks
Faster Charge Times
Better WIFI and Bluetooth system integration....
the list goes on. And as long as the Dream remains the easiest android phone to root, it's going to keep extending.
Here on Xda, i've seen a lot talked about dealing with rooting and custom Roms.
Now I know rooting will root your device and give you admin privileges, What I don't know is what exactly I would use that for. (This is my first android device)
Also I have no idea what a custom rom is.
Now I know there has been talk about Moto possibly not going through with the 4g upgrade if you're device is rooted and/or running different software other than stock. So all that aside, if I chose to root my device, what benefits would I recieve from doing so (The only one besides the admin privilege (Which I still am unsure of possible uses for those privileges) is that i'll be able to connect to ad hoc wifi spots. Mainly mifi which is my jailbroken iPhone 3gs's tethering app)?
Also, if someone would like to add a little detail, or a link to a good source, what exactly are custom roms?
I don't plan on rooting my device just yet, I'll wait for you excellent people to work out the bugs for us end users, and I'll also wait to see what Moto has to say about this, but I would like to know.
My personal opinion, if Moto does do this about the 4g upgrade, I'd consider it a "bait and Switch" which is illegal. However, if they can prove that for some reason rooting will disrupt the upgrade for any reason, then they might be able to get away with it.
A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Thanks for your quick response. That helped enough that I'll know what i'm looking for when I go to google it.
I agree with you that it seems reasonable, but my only problem is for the people that have already done this. Releasing a devise with an unlocked bootloader (I only know what this is because i was one of those unfortunate souls that tried to jailbreak a 3gs last year after Apple quietly released a new bootloader) should have meant Moto would assume it would be rooted/flashed/whatever.
I just think that if this is a fact (That doing this will make your device incapable of working with the new hardware) it should have been mentioned a day or two before the release. Or at least the day of.
Does this mean you won't be able to root or put a custom ROM after the upgrade?
With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.
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A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Please make sure you note that this is rumor at best and that Moto is still working on a response to this issue. You can follow it through the link I left in the developers forums, or search for it.
Morkai Almandragon said:
With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.
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I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.
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From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.
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I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.[/QUOT
Um, imagine you flash something that makes it impossible for them to correctly batch upgrade your device. You're screwing up their process and costing them money, not to mention slowing down the process for other paying customers. How hard is it to backup your device??
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I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
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Apps that take advantage of root permissions are available through both the android market and from developers' websites. A perfect example of this is the SuperuserPermissions application. You can get it here (on XDA) or in the Market.
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EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.
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I think you may be confused on the terminology here. With regard to tablets and phones, when we say we are "tethering" it means we use the device's 3G (or 4G) data connection to create an internet connection for another device (usually a Laptop or other mobile device). This connection can either be over USB, WiFi, and Bluetooth. USB, Bluetooth, and WiFi tethering are possible on the Xoom without root, although on other devices it previously required root (unless your device had a wireless hotspot option which your carrier charged you extra to use).
Heres a good link that explains Custom ROMs and Rooting.
And probably the most popular custom ROM is Cyanogen Mod.. heres a little blurb from their website.
CyanogenMod (pronounced sigh-AN-oh-jen-mod), is a customized, aftermarket firmware distribution for several Android devices (See above for supported devices & how to install CyanogenMod on said devices). Based on the Android Open Source Project, CyanogenMod is designed to increase performance and reliability over Android-based ROMs released by vendors and carriers such as Google, T-Mobile, HTC, etc. CyanogenMod also offers a variety features & enhancements that are not currently found in these versions of Android.
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Hopefully once Honeycomb's source is posted, they will take it and apply their "mods" and tweaks to it and release a new version for our tablet. (which is likely since it has an unlocked boot loader.)
Now regarding the 4G upgrade not being applied to rooted devices.. theres a easy work around. Once it comes time to send it to Moto, simply flash everything back to stock and relock the bootloader. Moto won't even be able to tell that anything has been done to it. Then once you get it back with its fancy new LTE radio installed, unlock the bootloader again and go ahead and re-root it.
LG says no plans for G4 Android 5.1.1 update at the moment
Are we going directly to Android M? When I had my G3 we had the same issue, no 5.1.1
Given all of the issues with Lollipop, this may be a blessing in disguise but
the negative publicity from this may further impact the already poor sales.
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I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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We are no where unless someone's keeping it hush hush. I check daily too.
The xda and tweak people are just s handfull of users ... Most buyers are regular and they don't even know xda .... If you want a phone that get every update then buy a Google phone, or a iphone. If you want a unlocked bootloader now then buy a Samsung. If you don't want those phones , then stop whining and buy a G4 or any other phone with Android on it instead of complaining. Sales are not depending on if a bootloader is unlocked or not !
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fpsq said:
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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... but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Really? [emoji58]
Sent from my G4 whilst wishing for root
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but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
I am also missing a few features that I can only use with root. AdAway, AirAudio to stream my sound to other devices, etc...
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
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Everyones usage is different remember - I just want to use a phone and from previous experience with my S4 introducing xposed to it turned it into a buggy mess, I don't want that happening to this phone.
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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99% agree with you there. I got this device for the ability it has without any root/unlock. Fully agree that Xposed has never done anything good for me in my experiences...usually end up having bugs and ending up factory resetting rom I'm on.
Also confused as to why people expect that the G4 would already be unlocked or rooted. This device has been out for just over 3 weeks, fellas. Sure, there are other manufacturers (HTC which I LOVE save for their inability to understand that a good camera is a requirement in 2015) that are able to be unlocked like 30 seconds after you open the box. LG is NOT that way. The G3 was a pain in the butt last year for this from what I understand and this device is running a newer processor and supposedly more secure version of android.
In the end, I would like to have root, so I can get rid of the T-Mobile stuff...and yeah, while I can DISABLE it, that doesn't get rid of it, it's just lying dormant...I still have a disabled app taking up space on my device.
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Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
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Yes this times 1000. Plus getting rid of bloat (although the LG does not have nearly as much as my Samsung devices had) plus I really want to be able to use Titanium Backup again.
Also...Not sure why everyone is so set on being on the latest version of Android at all times. I learned my lesson on that the hard way. Last device I was on was the Note 4. We were extremely irritated that we were getting Lollipop so late compared to all the other Sammy devices. Boy was I wrong to wish for it. It came with more bugs than new features, most of which made the device nearly unusable to me, resulting in my spending $280 to get the device half paid off so I could JUMP to the G4.
Rather than rolling out a new version of Android, I'm sure many users would prefer that LG work on the number of bugs that some users have experienced thusfar. That being said, 5.1 seems to be doing me pretty well for this device for me
A free wifi tethering method would be nice to have again.
I don't see the link between 5.1.1 and bad sales. If someone refused to get G4 because they won't update it to 5.1.1, I find this hilarious. 5.1.1 is a maintenance update, nothing major as I am aware, so LG can include the most important fixes from the latest available android version through OTA update, and there is no need to show you the latest android build number. 5.1 can include everything 5.1.1 got.
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Have you even used Xposed recently? Root itself is fantastic, and does not harm usability. You can use apps like Greenify and Titanium Backup to remove apps and improve battery life, modify the tethering provisioning check to use the hotspot, etc. I also use Xposed on 5.1.1 and on 5.0, 4.4, etc., and I don't have any issues at all. the 10+ modules I use never have problems.
I'm keeping my rooted G3 until we can root the G4, as I need root in some form or another.
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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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The phone is is great all on its own but I am looking forward to no ads and a tweaked Rom to hopefully get rid of the awful lagging and missed touch issues
Give the devs time. There's a lot of money pledged in the bounty board which should attract some top devs, so short of JesusFreke coming out of retirement I doubt it'll be in the next month.
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By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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If you purchase the open EUR H815 handset, you can officially unlock the bootloader through LG's Dev website, and from there install TWPR and flash SuperSU for root.
This method is not (yet?) available to other models, however.
You're correct that there are currently no unofficial methods to unlock the bootloader or root the device, yet.
So, OnePlus is going to release a new phone! People are excited and have forgotten about everything bad that happen with the previous devices. The PR machine started publishing "amazing" photos from the 5T camera (they did the same with the not-that-good OP5) and everyone is ready to open their wallets.
I just wanted to remind everyone about OnePlus privacy and security "mistakes", something that is usually ignored by the fancy YouTube reviewers and android related websites. This week we have a new security issue:
OnePlus Accidentally Pre-Installed an App that acts as a Backdoor to Root Access
Last month we learned that OxygenOS is Allegedly Data-mining Personally Identifiable Information for Analytics... And back in February someone discovered a bootloader issue that worked as a backdoor.
These days we use our phones for more than simple voice calls. We use apps that have access to important parts of our lives (banking, social networks, IoT, etc) and store a lot of information on our phones.
Security is important and it should be taken into consideration when buying a new phone.
I think most people here go out of their way to unlock their bootloader and root anyways.
So I'm pretty sure this topic in general here is pointless.
Nonetheless it is a valid point, though its not that meaningful here.
If you are really worried about security you'd go with a blackberry out a pixel
@Expliciate What I've seen with the 3/3T is that while many users use custom ROMs and are not affected by OOS issues, others just unlock their bootloader and use root, but stay on stock OOS or OOS beta.
I agree with you... the people that should be warned about these issues will not read this thread. Anyway, if we are aware of the problem maybe we will think twice before buying, suggesting or using Oneplus hardware or software.
@worldsoutro You don't have to be "really worried" about security to understand that something is wrong when people keep finding security holes on Oneplus software.
Three points keep me from jumping on board
No new snapdragon
Fingerprint sensor on the back
And finally ...what about jelly?
My two cents
I am wondering if anyone knows about any vulnerabilities/backdoors in the phone, outside of the Oxygen OS, such as in the aboot, sbl, etc.
Oxygen OS can be done away with, albeit by the power users.
This kind of app must be preinstalled on all devices by Google !!
Without root Android phone is useless for me, I would better to use nokia 3310 instead than.
I hope oneplus will rewrite this app and keep it for all generation of their phones.
S4turno said:
You don't have to be "really worried" about security to understand that something is wrong when people keep finding security holes on Oneplus software.
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I actually prefer people finding/reporting bugs with OnePlus caring for resolving the mentioned issues to people not finding/reporting bugs and/or a company which ignores them.
x111 said:
This kind of app must be preinstalled on all devices by Google !!
Without root Android phone is useless for me, I would better to use nokia 3310 instead than.
I hope oneplus will rewrite this app and keep it for all generation of their phones.
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My phone is rooted, it's one of the first things I do when I buy a new phone, but let's not turn another security fu** up into a good thing.
Oneplus devices are not just for "nerds" anymore. In the UK, for example, a network (O2) sell their phones just like they sell iPhones and Galaxys. They advertise on newspapers, trains, etc. Normal users, that use their phones for many things, don't know what TWRP or a custom ROM is. This is an issue.
By the way, the guy who found this app keeps posting new stuff on twitter: https://twitter.com/fs0c131y/status/930773795656396801
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I actually prefer people finding/reporting bugs with OnePlus caring for resolving the mentioned issues to people not finding/reporting bugs and/or a company which ignores them.
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And I agree, no software is bug free or completely secure and we all benefit when bugs are found and fixed.
The problem here is that some of these issues should never be there in the first place. Looking at the security holes from the past 2 years, it's clear to me that software is one of OnePlus weak points. For example, the bootloader problem that was fixed earlier this year was an amateur mistake... either that or they don't even know it could be an issue.
And it's not like people are not trying to find issues on Google's new Pixel or on Samsung's flagships... there's even a big market for that! But it's harder to find issues because these companies have people that know what they are doing.
I think something is wrong when using an aftermarket ROM is safer than using OxygenOS. We should be aware of these issues when buying something from them.
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And I agree, no software is bug free or completely secure and we all benefit when bugs are found and fixed.
The problem here is that some of these issues should never be there in the first place. Looking at the security holes from the past 2 years, it's clear to me that software is one of OnePlus weak points. For example, the bootloader problem that was fixed earlier this year was an amateur mistake... either that or they don't even know it could be an issue.
And it's not like people are not trying to find issues on Google's new Pixel or on Samsung's flagships... there's even a big market for that! But it's harder to find issues because these companies have people that know what they are doing.
I think something is wrong when using an aftermarket ROM is safer than using OxygenOS. We should be aware of these issues when buying something from them.
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While I can see a use for this you have to keep something in mind. All devices sold from China based companies will always have something like this. Mainly die to the laws requiring monitoring software to be installed. This comes from their right to monitor everything their citzens do on line and with their mobile devices. It is part of the reason most China OEM are not allowed in places with high security needs.
Actually....I think Oxygen OS is ONEPLUS's biggest differentiator.
And it's excellent.
It's fast, it's smooth, no-one does updates better.
They will have to double down on security but nobody does software like ONEPLUS.
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It's fast, it's smooth, no-one does updates better.
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"Fast and smooth" are two of the major gains of Android 7. Even my old(ish) LG is still adequately fast and smooth. :good:
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Actually....I think Oxygen OS is ONEPLUS's biggest differentiator.
And it's excellent.
It's fast, it's smooth, no-one does updates better.
They will have to double down on security but nobody does software like ONEPLUS.
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That is open for debate. I personally think it is one of the worst available. If you really think it is fast and fluid you should try an aosp based rom.
How do the Slim ROMs perform on OnePlus?
zelendel said:
While I can see a use for this you have to keep something in mind. All devices sold from China based companies will always have something like this. Mainly die to the laws requiring monitoring software to be installed. This comes from their right to monitor everything their citzens do on line and with their mobile devices. It is part of the reason most China OEM are not allowed in places with high security needs.
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So, all these issues are related to OOS. Is it likely to be present in custom ROMs too as they too use kernel codes released by Oneplus? Thinking of buying OP 5T.
unos21 said:
So, all these issues are related to OOS. Is it likely to be present in custom ROMs too as they too use kernel codes released by Oneplus? Thinking of buying OP 5T.
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Not all issues are OS related. For example, the bootloader issue from Feb 2017 couldn't be fixed with a custom ROM.
Things like analytics and shady apps are not present on very well know custom ROMs not based on OxygenOS (LineageOS, OmniROM, Paranoid Android, etc), but keep in mind that the camera quality will never be as good as stock.
unos21 said:
So, all these issues are related to OOS. Is it likely to be present in custom ROMs too as they too use kernel codes released by Oneplus? Thinking of buying OP 5T.
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Yes but most of the code is not kernel related. Very little of it is. It is in the format of "services" and hidden apks like the last one found.
Not gonna lie, I purchased a OnePlus One because of the development community. I usually flash a different ROM straight away.
I bought a OnePlus 5 hoping that would be the same situation. It's not. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but it's not like my Nexus phone.
The OnePlus 5T? My understanding is that until the 21st of November, there is a media embargo. After that, there will be more information about the device.
I'll make a decision after that.
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My understanding is that until the 21st of November, there is a media embargo.
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Depends on how usual the reviewer models are.
If Verizon users are still intrested, just take a look here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...devonly-exploits-temp-root-to-backup-t3795510
This guy J4NN is a genius!
Maybe for a bounty he will do it for your device. ?
Inerent said:
If Verizon users are still intrested, just take a look here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...devonly-exploits-temp-root-to-backup-t3795510
This guy J4NN is a genius!
Maybe for a bounty he will do it for your device.
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I got a PM about Temp root for Verizon Google Pixel 2 XL, I guess it was due to this post of you, @Inerent.
It seems that instead of exchanging PMs, it would be better to post it here, to clarify the situation.
Hopefully this is ok with @trabadura, who contacted me.
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Hi j4nn, i see your post in xda for temp root Sony XZ1c with Snapdragon 835 and I figured you could help us for temp root Verizon Google Pixel 2 Xl for Unlock Bootloader?
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Hi, I am not sure about that - I do not have that phone and cannot get/borrow it for testing either.
Do you know if it is possible to downgrade it's firmware?
Can you point me to earliest fw for download that it can be downgraded to?
What exactly the problem is - bootloader is not possible to unlock because Verizon (is it a mobile network operator?) disabled bootloader unlock possibility while on general not Verizon variant google allows it?
Is it also sim locked to Verizon operator only?
And how do you know that getting temp root would help you?
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Hi, аs far as I know, it can not downgrade firmware with locked bootloader. With unlocked bootloader no problem.
The problem is in mobile operator. They lock option "OEM Unlock" (stay grayed out) in developer option. In general not Verizon variant no problem option is active and no problem to unlock bootloader. No sim locked only bootloader. Тhere is a lot of writing about the topic I can give a few links in the forum.
Links:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/how-to/temp-root-bounty-verizon-users-t3710652
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I am sorry, but in my opinion, you are out of luck.
At least if google/verizon delivers FOTA updates and most users accept them instead of staying at the version they bought the phone with.
You could get temp root only with some completely new not fixed kernel vulnerability which would not get patched for longer period of time and that's not happening very often.
If someone starts working on an exploit while most users upgrade in short time closing the bug being worked on, it does not make sense to put an effort into it.
To consider porting my work for other targets, you need to make sure you can run kernel which is still vulnerable to CVE-2017-7533 (race between inotify and rename) and few other CVEs that are needed to overcome android oreo mitigations. Google has patched the mentioned CVE which is the primary one with 2017-12-05 security patch level.
How many users do you think stay on older patch level than that? And would continue staying on it?
I am afraid nobody would help you no matter how much you promise with the bounty.
And so you know, working on it, only because of the bounty mostly is not worth it - at least in my case if I compare the lost time and what is promised in xperia xz1 bounty thread I would be better working any low paid job. That means if I did not want to get it done for myself, I would not work on it!
And even though Google Pixel 2 XL bounty is lot higher, the difficulty (due to no downgrade possibility) is extremely high and gets higher with each update.
I am afraid you need to get used to the fact that there never be a root for it, I am sorry.
You all should have probably bought the open (not Verizon locked) variant instead or be satisfied with the product as bought (I guess it must have been a great deal, right?).
Or at least educate all users here not to allow any upgrade at all since beginning (if that's even possible to disable the updates).
j4nn said:
I got a PM about Temp root for Verizon Google Pixel 2 XL, I guess it was due to this post of you, @Inerent.
It seems that instead of exchanging PMs, it would be better to post it here, to clarify the situation.
Hopefully this is ok with @trabadura, who contacted me.
I am sorry, but in my opinion, you are out of luck.
At least if google/verizon delivers FOTA updates and most users accept them instead of staying at the version they bought the phone with.
You could get temp root only with some completely new not fixed kernel vulnerability which would not get patched for longer period of time and that's not happening very often.
If someone starts working on an exploit while most users upgrade in short time closing the bug being worked on, it does not make sense to put an effort into it.
To consider porting my work for other targets, you need to make sure you can run kernel which is still vulnerable to CVE-2017-7533 (race between inotify and rename) and few other CVEs that are needed to overcome android oreo mitigations. Google has patched the mentioned CVE which is the primary one with 2017-12-05 security patch level.
How many users do you think stay on older patch level than that? And would continue staying on it?
I am afraid nobody would help you no matter how much you promise with the bounty.
And so you know, working on it, only because of the bounty mostly is not worth it - at least in my case if I compare the lost time and what is promised in xperia xz1 bounty thread I would be better working any low paid job. That means if I did not want to get it done for myself, I would not work on it!
And even though Google Pixel 2 XL bounty is lot higher, the difficulty (due to no downgrade possibility) is extremely high and gets higher with each update.
I am afraid you need to get used to the fact that there never be a root for it, I am sorry.
You all should have probably bought the open (not Verizon locked) variant instead or be satisfied with the product as bought (I guess it must have been a great deal, right?).
Or at least educate all users here not to allow any upgrade at all since beginning (if that's even possible to disable the updates).
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You are completely right. And that is the difference between Android and iPhone communities. Every Android user prefer to stay aside of this problem, naively thinking that they would not be affected. In Oreo Google has already put all the Root CAs into the System storage. So Nobody knows what kind of data the phone uploads every day to 3rd party servers. Verizon is just an example there are many companies who do the same. iPhone community is great because everybody know that some day under certain circumstances they can lost their JB. I hope one day some mid-range iOS developer will buy Android phone and start developing a great root tools. Sure it will be quite easy because all the source code is available.
I appreciate your work. Thank you and good luck.
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