Database Users

wm6.5 from htc on our hd

when i asked the premium reseller in my country about a free upgrade to wm6.5 expexted for htc hd he told me that it is not final that hd will not get it he told me that htc told him that they haven't decided yet and he will know in november if there will be an upgrade or not

hoss_n2 said:
when i asked the premium reseller in my country about a free upgrade to wm6.5 expexted for htc hd he told me that it is not final that hd will not get it he told me that htc told him that they haven't decided yet and he will know in november if there will be an upgrade or not
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'd be extremely surprised if they were to offer this after they said they wouldn't. It would be a welcomed change from their part, but I have my reservations about this............

If they really would release it, then only after some time selling the most recent devices which will come with WM6.5. Would be very nice from HTC side, but i think they won´t.

TMReuffurth said:
If they really would release it, then only after some time selling the most recent devices which will come with WM6.5. Would be very nice from HTC side, but i think they won´t.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
htc made a thing like this before for the tytnII it upgraded it to wm6.1 after the td and touchpro are sold enough

i really hope they do. in a way, the official 6.1 upgrade gave my touch dual a new lease of life.

afhstingray said:
i really hope they do. in a way, the official 6.1 upgrade gave my touch dual a new lease of life.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Precisely what a phone manufacturer doesn't want.

which is why HTC dosent let anyone flash whatever they want. its just a minority of users that come to this site and learn how to bypass CID etc.
6.1 was released for the touch dual because it went on sale in certain markets quite a while after the original 6.0 device was released.
so, fingers crossed, there are markets where the HD is still selling decently well, and HTC isnt bringing the Leo out anytime soon. It's this kind of scenario that will result in us seeing a (official) rom upgrade
i got kind of sick of using cooked 6.5 roms since they dont approach the stability of an official upgrade, which is unfortunate, but i cant tolerate that for my main phone. maybe after i get a replacement for my HD, i'll play around with upgrading it. much like what i do with my Universal after i got my touch dual. I dont use it as my critical business phone, so had fun tinkering with it!

i think everyone with an HD, that are not part of this comunity, a simply google search of: windows mobile 6.5 on touch hd, most pages that you get will have a link to xda-devs, so i hope HTC will realize that by them not giving the upgrade wont stop people from flashing it to their HD, thus better if they save all that hassle and just give the damn upgrade already

I own a Blackstone because last year our company's IT department did not certify other OS than Windows Mobile which will change soon (as Apple and Android move closer to a better MS Exchange connection).
I clearly expect from a mobile device manufacturer to keep their devices including the OS on the latrst and most current level at least for the usual time people use such devices (i.e. 2 years after purchase, if connected to a mobile provider contract). As far as I know, in many companies thie cycle is used even if there is no such connection to a provider.
To me, a company is not trustworthy that advertises the Touch HD as its "top level" device and one month later says that they will no longer support this device. It is RIDICULOUS that HTC did not even offer a ROM upgrade including the latest Manila 2.0/2.1, and this during a time period where the Touch HD was and still is an outstanding device.
Apple, by the way, offers free or cheap upgrades for their iphones which make it possible to run the latest version on the first iphones that had bveen manufactured. This does not prevent customers from buying more iPhones than aver. And I am convinced that if HTC would offer upgrades to the latest WM version or Manila version for existing devices, this would not drop sales significantly. Not offering upgrades is a fair swindle.
I am well aware that many people here stand close behind HTC and understand and tolerate the behaviour and business model of HTC much better than I do. I am using HTC devices for 5 years now and if we had not xda-developers, I would not even think of touching a HTC device again. I would certainly not buy one.
Cheers,
Eriol

xdaassasin said:
All is about money why put latest sw a better firmware if you need to sell more new product.etc touch HD2.Apple has got only few rubbish phones for stupid people.HTC is selling to completly diferrent customers levels.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You mean, the quality of Apple's phones is to be compared to the intelligence of HTC customers?
No, honestly: I understand that you are in favour of the business strategy of HTC. But I cannot really understand this. I think that customers should put much more pressure on HTC. I, for instance, will not buy a new device every year. I will get one every two years. And I know quite a lot of other people who act the same way. I am aware that especially amongst the cookers and Chief's here at xda-developers, there are quite some that are really technic-freaks and always try to get hands on the latest device available. It is not their obligation to create ROMs for older models. But I think that it is definitely an obligation of HTC to do so. Especially because HTC devices are in fact technically speaking astonishing (if I look at my old Wizard and see how fast it runs TF2D ...).
Eriol

Will HD2 get Official Window Mobile 7 update

In my opinion, the HD2 will be outdated very soon (Software part) unless HTC announces an official Windows Mobile 7 upgrade. What do you think?

Worrying about official upgrades is a waste of time if you're a member of XDA-Devs...

I will buy this phone when it's released, but sure hope the phone get's a update for windows mobile 7

Pantaloonie said:
Worrying about official upgrades is a waste of time if you're a member of XDA-Devs...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
fully agreed, kinda waste of time to poll something that no one can find the answer.

Pantaloonie said:
Worrying about official upgrades is a waste of time if you're a member of XDA-Devs...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's BS... if you want a bug free phone. ROMS are great for extra functionality, but lets face it, they can be the cause of many headaches especially if you have an extremely busy schedule.
As to the original question. I would be shocked if the HD2 got a WM7 upgrade. Just as HTC didn't upgrade the HD to WM6.5, I doubt they'll be updating the HD2.
I don't think any phone will get Win7 upgradability, just b/c if 7 turns out to be as great as we hope it to be, manufacturers will want to milk every last dime out of us to get us to upgrade. (6.5, 6.1, and even 6.0 were different, as they changed very little besides a minimal amount of skinning between builds)

precsmo said:
fully agreed, kinda waste of time to poll something that no one can find the answer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You didn't get it bro,
If you are a member of XDA you will get the upgrade

salamt said:
You didn't get it bro,
If you are a member of XDA you will get the upgrade
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Shure Thing

I dont think HD2 get WM7 upgrade, when 7 is coming HTC have new phones for that and HTC has a history to forget all they old customers/devices.

also worth remembering that WM7 might be a step backwards!!
consider the change from windows 98 to millenium...a disaster!!..or XP to Vista..just as much a disaster..
don't go thinking that WM7 will be the best thing you've ever seen...it might be, but it might not.

WM7 will not be out for another 10-12 months, maybe longer. Microsoft officially announced WM 6.5 just last week. It think by the time we get the first phone with WM7, HD2's hardware will be obsolete. We will probably be looking at something with at least 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM by then.

twisted-pixel said:
also worth remembering that WM7 might be a step backwards!!
consider the change from windows 98 to millenium...a disaster!!..or XP to Vista..just as much a disaster..
don't go thinking that WM7 will be the best thing you've ever seen...it might be, but it might not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Doubtful: PC based Win 7 is getting good, not glowing, reviews. The major consensus is the improved speed via lightened kernel. WinMo 7 will be a step in the right direction to ward off further losses to android and greater customer satisfaction.

I'm not saying it's going to be awful, but it just seems that a lot of poeple are syaing 'we must have WM7...we need it desperately..'....where as I think they should just wait and see. They are in danger of making the jump, finding it isn't that great and then blaming MS for giving a crap product

twisted-pixel said:
I'm not saying it's going to be awful, but it just seems that a lot of poeple are syaing 'we must have WM7...we need it desperately..'....where as I think they should just wait and see. They are in danger of making the jump, finding it isn't that great and then blaming MS for giving a crap product
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well if wm 7 turns out to be worse than wm 6.5 then whom should we blame but microsoft? It's their product and they've been hyping it for years.

again, I'm not against that point, what I'm saying is why is there so much "we MUST have WM7" and "I only want this phone if I get WM7"??
here's an idea..why not buy a crap nokia, and wait for a year then get a new phone if WM7 is what you're waiting for?

I like WinMo OS and I am not planning to use any other OS anytime soon but it is annoying that I need to upgrade my less than a year HD to the HD2 to get more software features which is in this case WinMo 6.5
magic question is
why apple and android owners have a periodic updates adding new features while we have to buy a new phone to get these updates?

salamt said:
In my opinion, the HD2 will be outdated very soon (Software part) unless HTC announces an official Windows Mobile 7 upgrade. What do you think?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not unless we here at xda are not capable of putting android or maemo on it
qsd8250 will not be hard enough for an android port.
cheers.

Well, I don't care for Android, so whatever happens with that OS is highly irrelevant. I'm sure I'm not alone.

salamt said:
I like WinMo OS and I am not planning to use any other OS anytime soon but it is annoying that I need to upgrade my less than a year HD to the HD2 to get more software features which is in this case WinMo 6.5
magic question is
why apple and android owners have a periodic updates adding new features while we have to buy a new phone to get these updates?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because HTC prefer to sell a new phone than offering an OS update to exisiting phone for more profit.

An OS upgrade would cost money to HTC - licensing fees, development costs etc. Since they seem to have a useful lifetime of their flagship model of about 1 year and try to release new ones during the pre-Christmas shopping season, it would be fairly stupid of them to cannibalize sales of their new models by spending money on upgrading older ones.
The mid-model year phones get their upgrades quite often though. So I'd venture to guess that if WM7 gets released early next year and it's not too far away from WM6.5 in terms of porting applications etc. getting an official upgrade would not be impossible... If WM7 is more than half a year away I'd say forget about it.

What advantages would Windows Mobile 7 have over 6.5? I thought the new Manila 2.5 basically reskinned the entire OS. The only thing unique I've seen so far is they announced Zune integration with WM7. That feature should be pretty cool.

HD2 pricing now that we know there is no upgrade to 7

Do you think prices for the phone will start falling? The phone is essentially a dead end unless the wizards of xda cook something up.

I cannot stand this blabbering about "HD2 as a dead phone". There is NO WP7S to come within the next at least 6 months... AND WP6.5.x seems to go on. HD2 is still THE phone that you have to buy today if you want by far the best Win-Phone. The prices won't suffer some kind of inflation too soon... It hasn't been launched in the US at all and it stays the HTC-flagship until HD3 will be launched in the end of this year.

Well the price for the phone through mobile service providers is already low... I got mine for 79€ and another 24 months commitment.
I don't really see why they'd bring the price down any lower... They never claimed it would be upgradable to WP7 so why should they feel obliged to lower the price?
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.

US phones
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.

Price will come down anyways. It will take some times but you can get them with some carriers for cheaper as other posters have mentioned.
I don't see any relationship between the price and actually the phone not being upgradable to WP7.
It is still too early to see anything.

IF there is a "WP7-related" price fall at some point, it won't be before WP7 devices are actually selling. You've got time ahead.

Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?

it is a dead end NOW, cause developers are ALREADY abandoning wm6.5.x
like adobe, skype and a lot more.

aceo07 said:
Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
good point

I cant wait to flash Android on my phone.
Windows will never make it, people aren't writing that much for it any more.
RIP

moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.

appoggio said:
why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft

Microsoft confirms lack of backward compatibility in Windows Phone 7
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13936
This obviously killed WinMO 6.5 and below.

moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I guess you need to buy an iphone if you want software upgrades to newer OS versions. But then again......who knows whether Apple will continue this. After all they always used to shaft ipod users: As soon as a new model was out NO more updates for the previous one!

Frostlance said:
then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
chefs are here... HD2 got the power to run WP7... so where is the problem?
I bet my a$$ that we'll have cooked ROM with WP7 on our HD2...
HD2 RULZ

yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.

NeoGreendawg said:
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Totally agree. HD2 meets my current and future needs right now until my upgrade next year, only then will i consider what is on the market.

The world is ending??!!
My God! Run! Everyone for themselves!

it is not 100% confirmed now that hd2 will not get update ,they are keeping this suspebnded to never lower any device price

Frostlance said:
yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is there an official statement of any of that from MS themselves? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon and spouting "what I 'eard of't internet"

Official Android Rom for HD2 Petition

I went ahead and made a petition for Android on the HD2. HTC probably won't care and it sucks that it's come to this but whatever. At least this way we'd have an amazing device WITH an OS that will be supported down the line. Theres a field to state whether you're a current or potential owner as well. I couldn't hotlink since I'm a newb so add the www below...
petitiononline.com/And4HD2/petition.html

It would be good

pikasso1 said:
HTC probably won't care and it sucks that it's come to this...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmnn, good luck with that. I doubt that HTC would care. They are a commercial organsiation, they sell phones, hell, they've won, they got you (and me) to buy an HD2. I chose it for what it was at the time, and it's still the same excellent phone. Developments and politics surrounding Windows Phone 7 Series hasn't affected it's ability to operate. HTC will be wanting people to buy Desires and Supersonics and whatever the next big Android phone is. You might get Android via the back door if someone ports it from a similar spec'd device but i honestly think nothing official will happen. The small number of people interested in migrating their HD2's to Android would be a tiny drop in a massive ocean of commercial opportunities for HTC (but how many people would demand it it to be free if HTC offered it but asked for a porting charge for any driver development changes?). I really don't think that the disappointment felt by some that their HD2's won't be officially, and freely, upgraded to Windows Phone 7 Series is of interest to HTC (or Microsoft either).
That's my honest opinion. Good luck.

there's no way in hell HTC would do this with Desire coming out.

I'm with u Pikasso1, it would be nice to have another O.S in our HD's (Android, linux), only to **** MS to hell!, in my opinion, I don't care if MS brings WinMo 7 to another phones and not to HD2, with 3, 4 or 532 buttons, I piss off over it, I changed from an I900 Omnia to HD2 by the capacitative screen ONLY (I use caps lock to mark the only reason, not big screen, SnapDragon, or nothing else), MS tells us that don't upgrade, HTC get a slap in the face, ****'em & HTC!, the phone itself it's a big machine, I can do a lot of things (even call! ), I think there is HD2 for long (and WinMo 6.5 too), I'll can see videos, hear music, surf internet, and a lot of things without WinMo 7 or another O.S.
How many phones with WinMO are on market? 0?, not yet?, how many with another 6.0, 6.5? millions?, it's like a big soccer score!, in my country there is a phrase to describe this moment...to MS & HTC...Zas! en toda la boca! (Peter Griffin).

i signed it, but htc would never do this... it would kill desire & supersonic

bkar89 said:
i signed it, but htc would never do this... it would kill desire & supersonic
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sigh... it's true, but it's so rare that T-Mobile US gets good hardware and the one time it does... well, you know. I'd switch carriers if I wasn't paying $70 per month for unlimited everything.

http://petitiononline.com/And4HD2/petition.html

Ha, it won't even let me quote your hotlink.
Thanks!

cMMY69 said:
hell, they've won, they got you (and me) to buy an HD2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually, I haven't bought one yet, but I'm on T-Mobile and I want one! But it's harder to justify the purchase right now. It's my favorite hardware design by a wide margin though. Plus I just thought, why not make a petition?

Well I would pay for the Android port, just for the choice, we all switch roms to improve performance. So switching between OS gives more choice, but it's not gonna happen.....…

Double LOL on this, what would be next, a petition to FORD to make an alectric engine for your car with diesel engine?
You bought winmo device not an open platform hardware.

MS should read this forum and find out how bad they truly are...
maybe they aldready have..

signed the petition.... expected to see alot more sigs on there than 33

signed.. we need more people!!!

Well I signed, a famous saying springs to mind..... Judge not those who try and fail, but those who fail to try....
Just sign any way, you never know.

signed...!
seriously, terribly disappointed that w7ps would not be made available to the HD2 just because of the button layout.
screw you HTC!

Signed it just for fun and to see how many people this hits... I expect we'll see a good 100 people or so, which would be a drop in the ocean next to the several hundreds of thousand HD2 owners there must be, i.e no single bit of value whatsoever

vivek310 said:
signed...!
seriously, terribly disappointed that w7ps would not be made available to the HD2 just because of the button layout.
screw you HTC!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its Microsoft you should be saying "screw you" to if you actually want WP7S not HTC...

Signed with the below comment...
"HTC have two options either allow continued HD2 support via Android or shell out for WM6.x AND WP7S support people. You know where the smart money is HTC. Let XDA-Devs look after WM6.x and HTC can officially offer Android 2.x with support."

whats HTCs reaction to this development?

is HTC quietly standing by?
supporting?
or trying to prevent the further development?
because from the company's point of view we are cutting into their cash by preventing people from buying a new model of android phone.
i ve seen what happened to alot of gadgets that got hacked and then company usually releases an update that prevents further hacking and prevents from downgrading.
seagate HT+, apple newest iphone firmware, archos502 etc.
what are che cances of HTC working on a lock out for the HD2 specifically?
the only development we have here for HD2 and android...

In your post you fail to state what development you are talking about.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

I think he is talking about porting android to the HD2. I dont think they would care seeing as how many people, myself included bought an HD2 because of android development going on. If this didn't happen I would think they would have sold less phones.
Theoretically they shouldn't care since at the end of the day we bought their product irregardless to what OS was on there. If anything, I would think Microsoft would get pretty upset and take action if we continued on the path to porting WP7 on the HD2.

dubbingt said:
I think he is talking about porting android to the HD2. I dont think they would care seeing as how many people, myself included bought an HD2 because of android development going on. If this didn't happen I would think they would have sold less phones.
Theoretically they shouldn't care since at the end of the day we bought their product irregardless to what OS was on there. If anything, I would think Microsoft would get pretty upset and take action if we continued on the path to porting WP7 on the HD2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not if you buy from their market place
at the end of the day. microsoft is just like google. a software company. they want their software on as much phones as possible. if you happen to be an hd2 user who is running windows 7 and buying stuff from their market place, then awesome to them.
htc is the one who would be pissed. because you didnt change ur HD2 and buy a new phone windows 7. they lost 1 customer " figure of speach "
i dont see them happy that android is working on hd2 . they lost desire hd sales.
you know where i am going with this. for hardware companies, this is bad.
for software companies like microsodt and google ? the more the better.

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
not if you buy from their market place
at the end of the day. microsoft is just like google. a software company. they want their software on as much phones as possible. if you happen to be an hd2 user who is running windows 7 and buying stuff from their market place, then awesome to them.
htc is the one who would be pissed. because you didnt change ur HD2 and buy a new phone windows 7. they lost 1 customer " figure of speach "
i dont see them happy that android is working on hd2 . they lost desire hd sales.
you know where i am going with this. for hardware companies, this is bad.
for software companies like microsodt and google ? the more the better.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True but not completely true!
HTC is definitely loosing by not selling new phones but winning by selling more HD2s!!! (as i've read many bought HD2 just for porting android!! Really weird but it's true!!)
Both Google(android) and Microsoft(WP7) are winning and loosing at the same time!!!!
How is that you might ask?!
You are using their product, you are making propaganda, you are paying for apps from marketplace... It's all good!
However you are not purchasing their OS! As you know part of the price of a phone goes to the OS company! So practically it's true that you have ported their OS but you didn't actually buy it!

There are actually two sides to this story: Yes, making Android possible on a HD2 will indeed keep people using their HD2 in stead of buying a new android phone so from a short term point of view on might say that this has a negative effect on sales.
On the other hand, phone sales is mainly driven by "sponsored sales" by phone operators. A lot of phones get replaced after the initial contract periods regardless whether it is still usable. Only a relative small group of people actually use custom roms/android installs, but they spread a lot of good publicity about HTC and its possibilities. HTC is the fastest growing company at the moment, showing 139% growth in Q2 this year compared to Q2 last year. Still, Samsung is holding 20% of the market and HTC less than 2%, so enough room for expansion.
To cut a long story short: I don't think they mind too much, they probably watch this forum closely, pick up ideas for development and just let XDA do the marketing for their brilliant smartphones.

i agree with the post above me.. i don't think HTC cares much about the android port.. besides, i think they owe it to us.. coz like M$, they said that there will be a free wp7 upgrade for our phones.. so, since there's no wp7 upgrade for our phone, they should give us android instead... and they can't do anything about the android port anyways, as android is an open source program.. but if HTC was apple though, things would be different.. a lot different..

Ive got a few mates who bought or are planning to buy a hd2 simply because it allows the dualboot.
I dont think HTC should be complaining as XDA has made their devices much more interesting then most others.
I even think that without XDA or any chefs HTC would see their sells go down fast

I think that quietly they helped us to run android on hd2.They give the kernel sources of desire and other android phones,so the developers of porting android to hd2 can take some code from there and port it to hd2
Also they give us the new 3.14 rom with radio 2.15.50 who gives us the ability to run android without the need of hspl and losing the warranty.

clio94 said:
They give the kernel sources of desire and other android phones,so the developers of porting android to hd2 can take some code from there and port it to hd2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is not because HTC is somehow beneficial, they have to release the kernel sources or else their license to distribute their modified kernel (by selling phones in this case) is void.

True, they may be losing some sales because of android port on HD2. Many people with HD2 may have had shifted to Android phones including myself...but since Android is running on HD2 and its running fine...I've decided to postpone an upgrade...
But I think HTC has gained from XDA then it lost...if it weren't for XDA, HTC wouldn't have been the company we all know it...things are different now because HTC has now become popular but initially in WM days people bought HTC phones because of great XDA support otherwise it may just ended up like an ordinary Taiwanese manufacturer like ASUS, etc in phone market...

Mikenif said:
Ive got a few mates who bought or are planning to buy a hd2 simply because it allows the dualboot.
I dont think HTC should be complaining as XDA has made their devices much more interesting then most others.
I even think that without XDA or any chefs HTC would see their sells go down fast
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's the exact reason I bought the HD2. I was going to get an iPhone otherwise. HD2 > iPhone in every aspect except for Android (which was my deciding deal, I found out you could dual boot)

While I agree with a lot of the aspects of both winning and losing, in the end, HTC wins. Some of you say that they are losing be side of an upgrade, if you think about it, they still win. Why?
Let's say the HD2 costs $200(not sure...) if people were to buy 2 or 3 times as many HD2 devices, that beats an silly update which costs only $200?...They look at it in a BUSINESS perspective. And the numbers prove the best move.
In addition to, Google is much happier, that there OS is going to more devices. The small OS fee for factory devices hurts none. In the end, more people by from the Market. Even if it does hurt them, the publicity is well worth it, and will prove them good in the end. Besides, XDA has helped HTC, so I would be disappointed to see HTC block what XDA's main source comes from..... Everyone is happy, unless Microsoft were to complain, but even then, HTC could easily support Android instead, which I believe they will do eventually.
And in another addition to, I'm sure many people have multiple HD2 one Android, one Windows Mobile, or even both Android. You can't beat that.... HD2 is quite distinct. They may even support the movement, and design a newer HD2 that will be (secretly) compatible with both OS, as the devices we are using now work very well with both.
I think it has done more good than bad, so what's there to concern HTC.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

HTC aren't Apple - they aren't megalomaniacs. From their perspective, all this hacking and modding is just free marketing, brand awareness and of course brand loyalty, as a result of HTC devices being known to be flexible, you are more likely to pick up another HTC than say, Samsung.

I'll go one further and say i reckon that there is a chef on here or maybe more than one who are employed by HTC but obviously this isn't public knowledge and they could lose their jobs if found out,it's well possible.
If HTC were really that bothered being a global company they could have instigated some type of legal action against this website allowing people to hack their product, im not sure exactly what but realistically they could prevent this from happening if they were really bothered.

aussiebum said:
HTC aren't Apple - they aren't megalomaniacs. From their perspective, all this hacking and modding is just free marketing, brand awareness and of course brand loyalty, as a result of HTC devices being known to be flexible, you are more likely to pick up another HTC than say, Samsung.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes id agree with this.

only HTC
When I was first looking at widows phones and I saw XDA and the work being done I was sold I started with the T-mo MVA then the S620 (t-mo Dash)-the TyTN- which i replaced with a tp2 which i Just sold. I still have my HD and HD2 for dual boot but I'm at the crossroad should I just get android like the MyTouch 4g or the desire HD??? Point is only because of the amazing and innovative work here at XDA did I try out and stay with windows other wise I would have ended up with 'shudder" the Icrap or crackberry...
My guess is that for corporate reasons they have to advise against it and can not support the work openly but I'm sure that they enjoy and are happy to have the free publicity and the building of brand loyalty as well as the development work and seeing how HTC Sense can be developed and customized by people like Cookie and Max for them for free, is an added bonus.
As for phone sales lets be honest despite 3 or even 2 year contracts the average reliability of most phones is about 18-24 months sometimes less and the handset makers know that and base there future sales on that not on the rarer cases of people who were going to buy a new phone after 9-12 months but kept it because of duel boot.

Personally, I think it is a win, win situation for HTC and Google for this device to have the dual boot ability. I am on AT&T, have an unlocked HD2 that runs Windows Mobile as well as 4 different builds of Android. I don't think you can get much more versatile than that. Personally, I am not worried about, nor in any hurry for NAND boot capabilities for Android on the HD2, that would just cause a new set of headaches in the early stages. Not to say that I won't give it a shot after it has been publicly released for quite a while, but as I stated above, I am in no hurry at all.
I traded one of my HTC Touch Pro 2's for this carrier unlocked T-Mo HD2 a couple of months ago and it had nothing but problems as it still had the stock ROM on it. I did the Hard SPL, flashed it with a custom ROM and the rest is history. This thing is a tremendous device, even if I do not get 3G speeds on the AT&T network. There is no 3G service in my area anyway so I don't think I am missing out on much at all.
XDA Devs - Don't stop what you are doing as far as Android on HD2 development. HTC could learn a few things from you folks!
HTC - Keep up the great work and keep on releasing these great devices!
GooG - Same thing, keep those fresh Androind builds coming!
AT&T - Get a clue as to what your customers want and quit bottling Steve Jobs crack sweat (iPhone) and shoving it under your customers noses! And if you are going to claim the biggest 3G network, actually create and maintain that network to make the statement true!
My .02 ..... HTR

The only reason I got an HD2 is for the Android experience and the potential to run WP7 on it. Win Mo 6.5 sucks (in my opinion) but I am still rocking an HD2 because of what it can do, and because the hardware is awesome.
I think HTC as a company would be happy that enough people like their hardware that they are willing to buy the HD2 just to run a (less than stable) version of Android off an SD card. Tthe HD2 hardware is amazing, and HTC is more in the hardware business than anything.
Think of it this way, its like buying a Dell computer with Windows 7 and installing Ubuntu on it. Does Dell care? Nope, they sold the hardware so they're happy.

I dont think that they lose as much business as one might think.
I was at my local T-Mobile store yesterday morning to pick up the MyTouch 4G...I love HTC devices because of what devs here at XDA do for them and have owned quite a few (MDA, Dash, Wing, TP2, G1, MT3G, Nexus One, HD2...and now MyTouch 4G) I still show all of my phones affection and still cruise the different sub forums here and keep my phones updated on the newest builds, but HTC hasn't (and never will) lose me as a customer.
Sure, there are some people who will buy phones from places like craigslist or ebay, and HTC does not see any monitary profit from transactions like this...but I am sure that they win a future customer when that same person walks into their carriers store with an upgrade available and sees a new HTC device...Especially those who find their way to forums such as XDA. No device will last forever and will need to be upgraded eventually...and I feel that HTC has built a great name for itself.