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All people calming that desire z processor @800mhz scores better in benchmarks than overlooked snapdragon ,this is not true when Iam on desire z Rom I underclocked my hd2 to 806.4 mhz (same as dz) and I got 1512 score from the first time same as Dz with its perfect GPU , SO OUR CPU PERFORMS BETTER ( you can try it yourself ) Iam not a liar ,I think the improved performance is in THE ROM itself not in the processor
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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.
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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.
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Iam talking to people who take quadrant as a prove for performance , I know that its results are not accurate
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I think you should use Quadrant Advanced to compare cpu scores, I know I/O scores help our HD2 a lot.
Even software affects quadrant cpu scores so it is not reliable. Quadrant benchmarks h264 decoding performance as part of cpu benchmark and for example having stagefright driver enabled inflates cpu score by double! Disable stagefright and your cpu will score 400 instead of 800. (in quadrant "advanced") if you use better software decoder it will affect cpu score by large amount. And rebenchmarking produces higher results because of caching. Mips calculating benchmarks are better (like the one in setcpu)
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That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
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psykick5 said:
That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
what is the coprocessor , desire z have same scorpion core like hd2 only with 45n.m tech
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
wow that makes me want it
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast
JanssoN said:
Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast
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+1.. imagine, a 75% overclock?? i wonder if the carpet has any burn marks on them when he lifts the phone up, or if his face has any burn marks that's why he's not showing it up on the cam.. lol.. because a 75% OC on a very small device where there is not enough room to breathe, the whole phone would be like a big heatsink if used for a period of time.. and i guess that's also the reason why HTC slapped the 800mhz cpu instead of the 1ghz.. i'm our HD2 can achieve such high of an OC, but it wouldn't be adviceable as it would melt/crack the solder joints on the GPU and/or processor of the phone at that kind of heat.. and i believe that the GPU and apllication coprocessor that they're talking about on the G2 is just a marketing ploy to justify it's price tag.. maybe to cope up with the build price since there are moving parts (hinge) and the hard keyboard.. even the guy at the tmobile store told me that the G2 isn't fast at all.. he said it's nothing close to evo or the nexus one as some people and websites claims.. funny when he asked my what kind of phone do i have.. i pulled my HD2 and showed it to him.. he was surprised to see Android on it and asked me if he could play with it.. so i let him.. and after playing with it for a while, he advised me to wait for the new phone device that's supposed to come out before the end of the year.. he even told me that getting a G2 would be the same as downgrading as he feels that my HD2 is way way faster than the G2.. i told him i'm thinking about getting the vibrant because the port for our HD2 is nothing close to being perfect and that it's still running from the SD card.. again he discouraged me and told me to wait for the next phone device to come.. so i guess that's what i will do..
I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.
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I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.
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as a matter of fact i did.. that's actually one of the main reason why i went to the store, as i've been reading a lot of good things on G2.. i went there to compare the G2 with the samsung vibrant.. but through the end, i didn't like the G2's performance despite the fact that it's the only phone right now on TMo that supports the HSPA+.. and yes he's a sales person.. i was surprised as well when he told me about the upcoming desire HD.. but that didn't happen until i showed my HD2 to him and let him play with it for a while.. maybe he knows that i'm a phone enthusiast and that i might just end up returning the phone within the 30 days period after playing with the G2.. who knows?? i think the G2 is wayyy overrated.. it performs within it's specs, nothing special..
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Desire Z overclocks to exactly same speeds. Record OC is 1470MHz.
So they are same CPUs, clocked at different speeds. Bigger screen = higher clock to handle bigger screen.
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.7GHz at 1400mv
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.9GHz at 1500mv
hi everyone
i just come from a Hero and got this thing,its crazy s**t
put desire hd android on its awsome,beats my Hero anyday.lol.
i noticed thats guys on here are getting quadrant scores of 2000+ i aint got to that point yet but then i was looking at Gsmarena at the new Lg star,if you have look at the bottom of page in the vid bit, only ses 2146 and guys on here are getting more,its flippen unreal hows it whipping a duel-core mobi.it shoulda been an android phone from the start
ps anyone know why the music EQ aint working mdj desire hd 4.4
the lg what ?
even if it had a million cores , i wouldnt buy non htc
We have like really good CPU power and I/O scores...
in the video your talking about.... it takes a while to get thru these tests.... but it flies thru the 2D and 3D test....
so it has a great GPU but Lg failed at making their I/O scores decent... which is fine... cuz Android likes animations and thats more of GPU than I/O or CPU....
anyhow... probably not worth switching... waiting for tegra III or IV on a htc device...
souljaboy said:
the lg what ?
even if it had a million cores , i wouldnt buy non htc
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same here. those guys are too lazy to update their roms.
Seeing as quadrant doesn't support multithreading, it would only be benchmarking one of the cores anyway...
Quadrant scores don't really mean anything. There's a lot of things that can boost up a quadrant score but that doesn't actually mean its faster or smoother. Also, any rooted and properly tweaked native phone of similar specs will beat the hd2 any day. Everyone always compares the tweaked and modified hd2s quadrant scores to stock android phones, which isn't a fair comparison if they aren't also rooted and tweaked. My friend with a nexus one easily gets over 3000 on his quadrant scores. It all depends how you tweak it. A native phone will probably always be able to outperform a port of android.... but atleast we can run multiple OS's.
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Yesterday I installed nenamark on my nexus one and ran my first benchmark, and I swear I got 30.1 fps. I specifically noted that it was spot on with movie frame rates.
Every subsequent test I've run I only get around 16fps. Perhaps 30 is way too high for the nexus one's hardware. But did I just imagine my original score or did I actually get that high? What's the highest score we've seen on the nexus one?
Why not just open it again and on the main screen it says what the highest recorded score it...
That'll tell you what your best score it. Also i maxed out on 16.2FPS :-/
Yeah my best run says 17 so I guess I imagined it. But I could have sworn I saw it. Oh well...
It was allllll just a dream ;p
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42.8 fps nenamark
Galaxy S Captivate
Couldn't using one of these newer kernels with updated GPU drivers be helping?
I got 17.5 fps. Not bad for a year old 1 GHz superphone
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I just got a 22f p s yesterday if you believe it. Same exact kernel and all and it shows up in my high score at least.
My one is 22.3fps, without any tweaks, cleans e.t.c
Miui + wildmonks kernel.
16.4 on the N1 (CM 6.1.1), 36.5 on the galaxy tab
Edit: Remembered I'd underclocked my CPU, ramped it up to 1113Mhz and got 22.9fps. (Which I can't duplicate, can only hit 22.3fps now)
Tell you what, 22 isn't too bad considering this hardware.
My question is how does windows phone 7 devices, that all use the same CPU combo as the nexus one, get silky smooth scrolling thru the entire OS, including very large web pages etc. Do they just use that much better drivers? It definitely shows its possible and the potential.
After updating to 3.1 I ran a few quadrant tests and instead of the 2000-2100 scores i normally get i am not getting 1500-1600 ... Usually updates boost performance not lower it
so i guess that begs the question: is your TF's performance lower?
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After updating to 3.1 I ran a few quadrant tests and instead of the 2000-2100 scores i normally get i am not getting 1500-1600 ... Usually updates boost performance not lower it
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I noticed this too... BUT... the system seems a lot faster and more responsive, so i guess scores arent everything.
For sure score isn't everything, even more with quadrant.
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quadrant came out and has not been updated since the nexus 1 got 2.2. so its kind of flawed and old. current best benchmark is either Vellamo or AnTuTu
Vellamo is a web browser benchmark IIRC, where as Quadrant is a CPU/GPU benchmark. I dont know about the other one you mentioned.
15xx is pretty damn low, I'm getting around 35xx with Quadrant at 1.5 GHz. Check your clockspeed in setcpu to make sure nothing is out of wack.
mrevankyle said:
quadrant came out and has not been updated since the nexus 1 got 2.2. so its kind of flawed and old. current best benchmark is either Vellamo or AnTuTu
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Or CF Bench
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Or actually using the tablet. If it seems faster when you use it, its better. Benchmarks are pretty useless, especially since they can be skewed or manipulated
quadrant is a horrible benchmark. there are hacks and tweaks to get you stupid high scores.
Wierd i get2 2600
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Or actually using the tablet. If it seems faster when you use it, its better. Benchmarks are pretty useless, especially since they can be skewed or manipulated
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That's dumb. I clearly spent 400 dollars so I can get my electronics to tell me that I am cool. If my number is lower, then I am not cool.
sassafras
My quadrant is 1.7 not rooted or anything. I must say this tab runs extremely fast and I have no problems with it minus apps crashing once in a blue moon. If quadrant ment something my vibrant has 2.2k and it still doesn't run as smooth as my tab
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After updating to 3.1 I ran a few quadrant tests and instead of the 2000-2100 scores i normally get i am not getting 1500-1600 ... Usually updates boost performance not lower it
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I too used to be quadrant this or that using it as a gauge...then after I owned a few android devices...I came to the conclusion...its a piece of ****... First its inaccurate...my EVO. 3d is way faster then my color nookut yet I get better scores with the nook...same with the tf...second...it uses testing methods that can be cheated by some settings...hardware stuff..3rd...if you run it 3 times...you will usually get 3 different darn scores that range widely. To me using is the best test...not benchmarks..however if you need to use this as a guage...do it...but be warned...for real life...it don't mean anything
sassafras_ said:
That's dumb. I clearly spent 400 dollars so I can get my electronics to tell me that I am cool. If my number is lower, then I am not cool.
sassafras
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It's not dumb when the software is deeply, deeply flawed....quadrant that is.
life64x said:
It's not dumb when the software is deeply, deeply flawed....quadrant that is.
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I think your sarcasm meter is broken.
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Quadrant is broken because it doesn't weight different aspects of the benchmark equally. The Nexus One has a terrible GPU but a fast CPU, so it gets decent scores. The BN Nook Color has a mediocre CPU and a decent GPU so it scores better than the N1 even though the N1 is clearly the superior device.
Changing the file system to something journaled can bump your Quadrant score a few hundred points, which is dumb.
The ideal benchmark would somehow score in a way that represented the overall user experience. Unfortunately, no such benchmark exists for Android. Until then, it's just these pieces of crap that only exist so teenagers can show off their e-peen on the internet.
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sassafras_ said:
I think your sarcasm meter is broken.
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Quadrant is broken because it doesn't weight different aspects of the benchmark equally. The Nexus One has a terrible GPU but a fast CPU, so it gets decent scores. The BN Nook Color has a mediocre CPU and a decent GPU so it scores better than the N1 even though the N1 is clearly the superior device.
Changing the file system to something journaled can bump your Quadrant score a few hundred points, which is dumb.
The ideal benchmark would somehow score in a way that represented the overall user experience. Unfortunately, no such benchmark exists for Android. Until then, it's just these pieces of crap that only exist so teenagers can show off their e-peen on the internet.
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I was saying that!!! I figured from your first reply...if you spent 400 it should be off the chain for the score. Quadrant is deeply, deeply flawed. If I mis-read your reply then it is my fault but I was not using sarcasm or being flippant but just stating what we both said.
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I was saying that!!! I figured from your first reply...if you spent 400 it should be off the chain for the score. Quadrant is deeply, deeply flawed. If I mis-read your reply then it is my fault but I was not using sarcasm or being flippant but just stating what we both said.
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he wasn't accusing you if being sarcastic, he was being sarcastic.
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Thanks, my bad. I am a optimist and thought my pessimist came out... With only a couple hours sleep my mind plays tricks on me. Oh well, go back to watching dune...I would have used my gom jabber( watch dune to know what I mean).
Only thing worst than benchmark nerds are benchmark nerds who are stupid enough to still be using quadrant software that's over a year old and is not optimized for dualcore or honeycomb.
And its awesome. Feel free to ask any questions.
I'm a noob when it comes to system dumps but if anyone provides me a step by step I'd gladly contribute.
PC streaming is flawless. Zero lag. I'm shocked at how good it is.
EDIT:
System dump is up:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44190310#post44190310
Endorn said:
And its awesome. Feel free to ask any questions.
I'm a noob when it comes to system dumps but if anyone provides me a step by step I'd gladly contribute.
PC streaming is flawless. Zero lag. I'm shocked at how good it is.
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Was it difficult to set up the PC streaming?
It's not hard to setup PC streaming at all. Just make sure you have the latest download of system updates for your shield (mine wouldn't let me do it for hours after receiving it), then make sure your GeForce Experiece has a tick mark for Beta drivers to be installed.
Once you tell it to stream it will pop up for a prompt 1 time to ask if it is ok to join and you are done! GAME ON!
Zero lag, runs perfect all over my house and upstairs.
My SHIELD will get here today if fedex decides to deliver it today. FYI fedex is worse then usps where I live.
Is there a way you could post the default wallpaper?
Sent from a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away........
I can when i get it, but fedex will not be delivering it for at least another 7 hours
chevyowner said:
I can when i get it, but fedex will not be delivering it for at least another 7 hours
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Sounds like a long and painful wait lol I'm probably not gonna be able to get mine for another month or two though
Sent from a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away........
yay! it got here early!
will add wallpaper shortly.
Update
My internet is so extremely slow It is taking minutes to load pages, and I am having no luck uploading anything.
I have found 2 so far they are here.
Mediafire Link
Those aren't them. I'll get them tonight after the kids go to bed.
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Grrr.....my internet is horrible about 2 hours downloading the new Geforce drivers, and according to firefox 2+ more to go. Maybe I should 'upgrade' my 7Mbps broaband to dialup it might be faster....Yay 7kb average download speed on dsl... I would be having more luck but the internet is causing major problems.
I also said so far...meaing i am still looking.
Is this it?
View
Here
chevyowner said:
Grrr.....my internet is horrible about 2 hours downloading the new Geforce drivers, and according to firefox 2+ more to go. Maybe I should 'upgrade' my 7Mbps broaband to dialup it might be faster....Yay 7kb average download speed on dsl... I would be having more luck but the internet is causing major problems.
I also said so far...meaing i am still looking.
Is this it?
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Here
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That's it. Can't say I'm impressed by it... :-/
Hardcore73 said:
It's not hard to setup PC streaming at all. Just make sure you have the latest download of system updates for your shield (mine wouldn't let me do it for hours after receiving it)
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Can you post the version info from your working Shield (android version, kernel, build id)? Mine keeps saying no updates, but I'm having streaming issues. Thanks!
rustak said:
Can you post the version info from your working Shield (android version, kernel, build id)? Mine keeps saying no updates, but I'm having streaming issues. Thanks!
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Model Number
SHIELD
Android version
4.2.1
Kernel Version
3.4.10-g65c8a35
[email protected] #1
Fri Jul 26 23:30:03 PDT 2013
Build number
JOP40D.8857_206.8556
If this isn't what you're showing, PM me and I'll help get you fixed.
Op can you load up 3D Mark and run both regular and high quality benches? Would love to see how tegra4 performs on 3D benchmarks. Its a free app.
demandarin said:
Op can you load up 3D Mark and run both regular and high quality benches? Would love to see how tegra4 performs on 3D benchmarks. Its a free app.
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Apparently, I score less than most...
Highest Ice Storm Score: 11423
Highest Ice Storm Extreme Score: 9566
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Apparently, I score less than most...
Highest Ice Storm Score: 11423
Highest Ice Storm Extreme Score: 9566
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Those are great scores but I would've thought tegra4 score higher.
My LG Optimus G Pro 5.5 in. 1080P display with Snapdragon 600 and Andreno 320 scored:
Highest Ice storm Score: 11113
Highest Ice Storm Extreme Score: 6442
So tegra 4 is beasting on the more demanding/higher quality bench.
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Apparently, I score less than most...
Highest Ice Storm Score: 11423
Highest Ice Storm Extreme Score: 9566
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I got over 18k on the standard test.
Buuuut I only got a 14k in quadrant. Which is less than my friends stock SGS4. Lol
Linpack multi thread scores suck. Getting around 100Mflops But I'm thinking the 5th core is possibly the cause for that?
s0me guy said:
I got over 18k on the standard test.
Buuuut I only got a 14k in quadrant. Which is less than my friends stock SGS4. Lol
Linpack multi thread scores suck. Getting around 100Mflops But I'm thinking the 5th core is possibly the cause for that?
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SGS4 it turns out may have some trickery under the hood to optimise specifically for these benchmark tests though giving a totally false impression. How or why samsung would do such a thing is beyond me though.
The 5th core on the tegra chip is only enabled when the 4 main cores shut down, its for power saving. Used in sleep mode primarily, but it is possible for the phone.tablet or even shield to fire up and navigate around the UI on the companion core alone. Its not intended as a fully fledged core. Might impact on benchmarks, might not, I never benchmarked my nexus 7 (which is broken now) and don't have any other tegra device to benchmark, or much else to compare the benchmark with actually.
I like using MAME to test how good the CPU function is, since besides pushing light to the display, the GPU does about nothing with MAME. A good game to test is Dead or Alive + (the zip is doapp.zip and needs tps.zip for bios). That game plays slow on all current chips, but plays the least slow on the 4470 and Snap 600. It would be nice to see if plays smooth on the Shield. I doubt it will, but IF the Tegra 4 is truly a major increase for CPU power, it should be a step above current chips.
The reason MAME does not use the GPU is all arcade games used special 3D hardware, or derivatives of chips that are not practival to emulate. In summary, it is all CPU, baby- including the newest PC version.
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SGS4 it turns out may have some trickery under the hood to optimise specifically for these benchmark tests though giving a totally false impression. How or why samsung would do such a thing is beyond me though.
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This is very common in the GPU industry. I don't really know in the mobile space (I'm not willing to make any of my code treat a benchmark differently).
I have no idea why I scored so low, as it even told me I scored poorly against other users benchmarks for the same device.