I'm looking for some of you to review my work so far on my Hero/Android Phone website, located in my signature. I've been working hard to try to release at least one new article a day, whatever floats my boat for that day.
I am also looking for people to help add new stuff to the site, whether it be for the Sprint Hero, an Android app that you love, or have developed, or whatever you'd like, really, as long as it pertains to Android.
This is a not-for-profit website aimed at trying to get the viewers to start looking at all the stuff their Android phone can do, rooted or not.
Hey, I always like to see people start things, that's the hardest step, actually starting.
I'll tell you what I think of it from my perspective, not new to android, new-ish..but already dabbled in rooting and flashing roms, etc.
I'll try to be honest but just because I'd appreciate the honesty if I were in your shoes.
I'll talk about design first.
I think that the first thing that strikes me when I first see your site is the logo.
I know you just opened but that should be top priority, it is your defining icon.
Take a look at BGR or engadget, those logos are known.
Make your logo..more "catchy" (?) It seems a bit amateurish, whether you are or not is not the point.
Second, the text "Android Apps and Modifications" jumps out, it does not follow the rest of the layout in font choice and is partially hidden by the "Subscribe to us" banner.
Having mentioned both logo and subscription parts of the site, immediately adjacent to the right of those, there's alot of empty space that screams of "under construction", maybe integrate them into each other?
Just opened ie, noticed it's ad space.
I'd do away with gif animation ads, makes the site look cheap. But I have never had a site with ads or sought to advertise so...I don't know if you get a selection of ads or how it works. Either way, I'd integrate the main title/logo bar and the subscription bar and find a better way to integrate the ads.
I also thought it was "not-for-profit."
As for the rest of the layout, I like it. It is classy, modern.
One thing to mention, I would rather have the posts below the top post to have more than just the excerpt. At least a small thumbnail. Text is boring and a picture can say a thousand words as well as give the chance to tease readers, excite, etc.
Make content the center/masterpiece.
As for the content, I like it. It's useful and interesting. Disassembly, ROM Releases, tutorials, awesome. Have you considered having featured weekly articles? App of the Week, ROM of the week, Tip of the week? These could go along beside your regular posts. These could turn out to be sought out sections of your site.
Another thing, I speak for myself, I'm a bit of a neat freak when it comes to having information in front of me. That is why I love forums haha.
I noticed you have a bajillion tags. Maybe cut them down into less, more encompassing, tags?
Sorry if I was too honest, I do not know how long you've had the site up. I think you have a great idea, you should run with it.
The only sites I take care of run on wordpress and thank God for layouts and php tuts.
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Hey, I always like to see people start things, that's the hardest step, actually starting.
I'll tell you what I think of it from my perspective, not new to android, new-ish..but already dabbled in rooting and flashing roms, etc.
I'll try to be honest but just because I'd appreciate the honesty if I were in your shoes.
I'll talk about design first.
I think that the first thing that strikes me when I first see your site is the logo.
I know you just opened but that should be top priority, it is your defining icon.
Take a look at BGR or engadget, those logos are known.
Make your logo..more "catchy" (?) It seems a bit amateurish, whether you are or not is not the point.
Second, the text "Android Apps and Modifications" jumps out, it does not follow the rest of the layout in font choice and is partially hidden by the "Subscribe to us" banner.
Having mentioned both logo and subscription parts of the site, immediately adjacent to the right of those, there's alot of empty space that screams of "under construction", maybe integrate them into each other?
Just opened ie, noticed it's ad space.
I'd do away with gif animation ads, makes the site look cheap. But I have never had a site with ads or sought to advertise so...I don't know if you get a selection of ads or how it works. Either way, I'd integrate the main title/logo bar and the subscription bar and find a better way to integrate the ads.
I also thought it was "not-for-profit."
As for the rest of the layout, I like it. It is classy, modern.
One thing to mention, I would rather have the posts below the top post to have more than just the excerpt. At least a small thumbnail. Text is boring and a picture can say a thousand words as well as give the chance to tease readers, excite, etc.
Make content the center/masterpiece.
As for the content, I like it. It's useful and interesting. Disassembly, ROM Releases, tutorials, awesome. Have you considered having featured weekly articles? App of the Week, ROM of the week, Tip of the week? These could go along beside your regular posts. These could turn out to be sought out sections of your site.
Another thing, I speak for myself, I'm a bit of a neat freak when it comes to having information in front of me. That is why I love forums haha.
I noticed you have a bajillion tags. Maybe cut them down into less, more encompassing, tags?
Sorry if I was too honest, I do not know how long you've had the site up. I think you have a great idea, you should run with it.
The only sites I take care of run on wordpress and thank God for layouts and php tuts.
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Different browsers render things different ways, so include your browser and version number to help him out.
Good point, thanks.
I was on chrome 5 on windows 7.
Also had adblock enabled which explains how I noticed the ad in internet explore.
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I agree with what overthinkingme said about putting the subscription login next to the logo. However I think the logo is a great starting point. I like the color scheming but don't like the blog style layout (It's probably just me as I don't like blogs in general). If it's design is supposed to be a blog, then I don't have any suggestions on changes except cutting down the ads (If possible, maybe Google's text ads?). If you're looking to be more organized (sorry if this sounds harsh, I don't mean for it to) I'd go with a different layout. That's just my .02 so take it with a grain of salt. BTW I'm on a Mac with Safari 5.0. The site looks good and I've added it to my favorites (Actually I added it yesterday. Saw it in your signature and had to check it out.)
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Ok, so this is a little something that I threw together simply to test weather the G1 could be used to fully create a website. No other means were used. No pc or mac... everything was written using the apps available on the Android market.
This may be a useless thread, and if it's in the wrong place, feel free to move. I just had to show you guys. I'm not a developer, but I do enjoy coding websites, and the G1 presented me with a nice challenge. Hit the link below to see the page.
http://www.zeldainmypocket.co.uk/files/test.html
The css is pretty basic, but it is just a proof of concept page so far. There is no char encoding or doctype present at the moment, so it might look a little off in some older browsers.
thats really amazing to do it all from a phone
I'll be adding some images and fancy effects at some point. I'll also be sticking some php in there in order to set up a mini blog. Android really does provide everything you need to create a page... I've just not gotten too technical yet. I will though, because I see no reason why an entire site couldn't be written the same way.
I don't see the point of this. At it's core, a webpage is nothing more than text (code) - so acting as though the validation of the webpage somehow has to do with it being written on a G1 is kind of silly.
If you can write text, and FTP that info, of course you can write an entire website. In fact, you could easily, using the G1 browser - create an account with a host like hostgator, go through the template creation, and make an entire website that way too.
I'd say you could create an entire website using almost any phone with a browser.
Sorry man, but this "proof of concept" is kind of amateur and pointless.
That's because I am very amateur. I've only been coding for about six months... so, I'm quite proud of it.
Where is the Flash? But seriously, nice work! I cant even get mine to reply to Hotmail
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I don't see the point of this. At it's core, a webpage is nothing more than text (code) - so acting as though the validation of the webpage somehow has to do with it being written on a G1 is kind of silly.
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I've edited the text and taken that bit out. I've also added a bit that makes it more obvious that I'm inexperienced and curious.
I actually thank you for your comment. Upon thinking about it, logic states that you're right. But my excuse is that I'm still learning and get excited about the little things.
not to burst your bubble but its WHETHER or not, not WEATHER.
sorry to sound arrogent. great job btw.
Hey thanks for posting this. Even if it's not necessarily practical for making an entire site. It's good to have the option when you need to make even a small word edit (such as grammatical errors) from anywhere. Thanks again!
You should post the tools used in the beginning of the thread like you have them on the actual page. Keep up the good work.
cboy007 said:
not to burst your bubble but its WHETHER or not, not WEATHER.
sorry to sound arrogent. great job btw.
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Sorry for OT.
But it's "arrogant" not "arrogent"
This is all silly.
Hey man, I'm glad to see that you are working towards trying to make a contribution to the dev world. Keep plugging away and don't give up despite unnecessary critics and missplee'n corrections. I think it would be cool to actually host that page from your phone. There is a server application out on the Market. Get ahold of that and spice up your game. It'll be a good lesson on building websites and hosting directly from your device. i.e. Do a search on the origins of craigslist. You might be surprised.
Now making a website AND hosting it from the phone would be interesting.
I'm sorry if I came off like a ****, didn't mean to. As you stated, the logic behind it makes the project kind of pointless. However, if you are enjoying it, then keep at it - you'll find value in it somewhere.
I've just been doing web development for about 12 years now - so my opinion on beginners isn't really fair.
Does anybody know the name of the server app on the market? i've looked, but there are a few server type things on there. Also, would that mean that my phone is ACTUALLY hosting the page if I used the server app. Like, if someone viewed the page, would they actually be viewing it through my G1, or be connected to it?
Web Server be Mamoru Tokashiki but its for photos and its set to a random port i think read more in the description.
Cyrket is back up
http://www.cyrket.com/
Saurik will be adding back the ability to sort by date when he gets it sorted out.
Nice! It's a much 'cleaner' interface than androlib.com, even if it doesn't have quite as many features. I see they're supporting the Palm catalog now as well. Very cool, as my girlfriend has a Pre Anyone know why they were down for so long? Hopefully Saurik will be able to add more features in the near future.
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Nice! It's a much 'cleaner' interface than androlib.com, even if it doesn't have quite as many features. I see they're supporting the Palm catalog now as well. Very cool, as my girlfriend has a Pre Anyone know why they were down for so long? Hopefully Saurik will be able to add more features in the near future.
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About a week ago, it finally hit me: how to run a ~reasonably~ live Cyrket without being rate limited by Google. A week of no sleep later...[/QUOTE]
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Nice! It's a much 'cleaner' interface than androlib.com, even if it doesn't have quite as many features.
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Please send me an e-mail (do not just reply to this forum post: e-mail will be much more useful for me) with a list of features you think are important. The three things on the public todo list (which should be done pretty soon) are: 1) fix the display of permissions, which is simply stupidly broken; 2) get "newest/latest stuff" working again; 3) rewrite the RSS feed mechanism to work with the new site architecture (which requires #2 to be finished first); and 4) allow comments to be browsed in a more meaningful fashion than "show a bunch of comments for this app". There are other features that will likely happen, but those are the only ones I'm saying /are/ to users ;P.
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Please send me an e-mail (do not just reply to this forum post: e-mail will be much more useful for me) with a list of features you think are important.
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please share your email address?
The ONLY thing I would like to see on Cyrket would be pretty URLs.
Instead of:
http://www.cyrket.com/search?market=android&category=6953
I would like:
http://www.cyrket.com/m/android/applications
Other than that, I think it's a very useful site!
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please share your email address?
The ONLY thing I would like to see on Cyrket would be pretty URLs.
Instead of:
/search?market=android&category=6953
I would like:
/m/android/applications
Other than that, I think it's a very useful site!
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My e-mail address is on every website I run, including Cyrket's home page.
I go to great lengths to make the URLs on Cyrket readable:
/p/android/net.tastybits.heat/icon
However, this anal attitude towards URLs means that I will not make a URL that I can't support going forward. The category tree is simply not stable at this time, nor do I really want it to be considered "stable". However, the category ID numbers in the search URL actually are stable: those nodes I can rearrange and then guarantee I can support old URLs.
(Out of curiosity: why are you even caring about those URLs? The only URLs I'd expect would matter to anyone would be the URLs for the packages themselves, metadata about the packages, and the URL for "newest stuff", which still hasn't been rewritten into the website yet.)
/Please/, however, send me any and all feature requests via e-mail: it would be difficult to make my e-mail address any more public than it is, and I get hundreds of e-mails a day from users, so I'm surprised you couldn't find it. My address is [email protected] (I had to put the (at) because the forum got mad at me).
Well first off, my apologies if what I said came across as 'anal'. After re-reading what I wrote, I can't find where you get that?!
Second, I admit I did not visit your site to look for your email address. I did view your profile here on XDA, but none was available. So. Sorry for that.
Why do I care about pretty URLs?
I talk to alot of people about Android - DumbPhone friends, Android friends, and iPhone friends.
I have tested & reviewed many apps, and share this information with these friends.
In my talks with them, I often tell them about Cyrket, which I prefer over other sites like androidtapp.com or androlib.com due to their complexity (no disrespect meant to either operator of those respective sites).
In my opinion, I just prefer Cyrket with its simpler layout, basic information, and ease of navigation.
The other sites I find 'too much going on'.
Having a pretty URL makes for easier memorizing of a URL. It's also easier to write down later. All this is just easier, faster, better to share with someone else.
As the 'web master' or 'developer' of Cyrket.com, I would have thought you knew all this. Even if it doesn't change, I'm just saying it's a better user experience for visitors to have Pretty URLs throughout the entire site for uniformity.
On a personal note: I just tend to prefer my reference sites which are easy on the eyes with minimal distraction! Just as SpyderMS said in post#2.
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Nice! It's a much 'cleaner' interface than androlib.com, even if it doesn't have quite as many features.
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Other than that, I think it's a very useful site!
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Well first off, my apologies if what I said came across as 'anal'. After re-reading what I wrote, I can't find where you get that?!
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I was saying that /I/ was "anal". I seriously spend hours fretting over the URL structure of Cyrket, which is why 99% of the website has such a beautiful URL structure. I dare you to find someone who spends as much time thinking about URLs as I do: that's why I used "anal" to describe myself.
*Sigh*... now that that got misinterpreted, though, the rest of your comment has gone down the "let's be hostile" avenue.
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Why do I care about pretty URLs?
I talk to alot of people about Android - DumbPhone friends, Android friends, and iPhone friends.
I have tested & reviewed many apps, and share this information with these friends.
In my talks with them, I often tell them about Cyrket, which I prefer over other sites like androidtapp.com or androlib.com due to their complexity (no disrespect meant to either operator of those respective sites).
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Most of these other sites also have much worse URLs. AppTapp doesn't only because they create vanity URLs for every package they choose to make a review of (which is not practical, nor is it maintainable).
AndroLib:
w~ww.androlib.com/android.application.org-connectbot-BDC.aspx
w~ww.androlib.com/appicon/app-BDC.cs.png
AndroidZoom:
w~ww.androidzoom.com/android_applications/communication/connectbot_rbm.html
c~dn-1.androidzoom.com/logos/8835.png
Cyrket:
w~ww.cyrket.com/p/android/org.connectbot/
c~ache.cyrket.com/p/android/org.connectbot/icon
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Having a pretty URL makes for easier memorizing of a URL. It's also easier to write down later. All this is just easier, faster, better to share with someone else.
As the 'web master' or 'developer' of Cyrket.com, I would have thought you knew all this. Even if it doesn't change, I'm just saying it's a better user experience for visitors to have Pretty URLs throughout the entire site for uniformity.
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What I asked was why you needed fast by-memory URL access to a subcategory sort. You managed to find the /one/ thing in Cyrket that currently has a bad URL, and made it an issue about the entire website.
I then explained the reason that one thing has a bad URL and asked you why you felt that specific page had such high-priority for having a better URL, and now you are acting like I don't consider good URLs important.
Frowny pants.
Oh, and OMG I HATE THIS FORUM, I am not even allowed to post URLs to it: please, for the love of all that is holy, send me e-mails in the future if you wish to continue this discussion.
I'm making a site, called market4android which you developers can feature your apps/roms on, etc. I'd love for you guys to contact me so we can get the ball rolling. It's a great domain that gets a lot of search engine hits, so if you're looking to get your name out there and get your apps out there, then please PM me and let me know what you have and all that cool stuff!
The site should be online for most of the world. If it is not, give it a while because it may still need to update on world servers.
Check it out, leave feedback, etc, and developers! hit me up and let me know if I can post your ROMs on the site. Don't want nobody getting mad at me!
Reminds me of a site that I frequent called XDA.
Maybe I am missing the point? Are you simply offering to host files?
jerry43812 said:
Check it out, leave feedback, etc, and developers! hit me up and let me know if I can post your ROMs on the site. Don't want nobody getting mad at me!
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You'll never get anywhere waiting for others to send you content. If you want to post a rom, post info, screenshots, etc. and link out to the post where they can get it and more info.
This may be a dumb question, but here goes anyway....
It's not hard at all to get an app included on the Android Market. What advantage are you offering over going that route?
So far I've only written a few Android apps, and they were both custom jobs for clients that would not be at all interesting to the general public. (And they have a LOT of tweaking left to do before I'd call them anything I'm proud of. I'm new to Android, it'll take awhile for me to catch up with the stuff I've done for WinMo and PalmOS.)
But I've considered diving into some more generally appealing projects, and the Android Market currently offers me both the ability to distribute for free, and the ability to monetize my efforts if I decide to go that route. Either route gives me pretty widespread exposure.
As a developer, my main question would be: "What extras are you offering that the existing marketplace leaves out?" (i.e. How can you make me more money? And/or give me wider exposure?)
I don't think he is making a place to distribute apps (at least that's not what I got), I thought he was making a place to be like "hey look what's going on in the dev community, check out this app and this rom, etc."
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I don't think he is making a place to distribute apps (at least that's not what I got), I thought he was making a place to be like "hey look what's going on in the dev community, check out this app and this rom, etc."
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So a review site?
That could be very, very cool. Only trick is building a large readership.....
With that in place, it could very easily be something that developers want to pay close attention to.
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I don't think he is making a place to distribute apps (at least that's not what I got), I thought he was making a place to be like "hey look what's going on in the dev community, check out this app and this rom, etc."
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You got the idea down pat!
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So a review site?
That could be very, very cool. Only trick is building a large readership.....
With that in place, it could very easily be something that developers want to pay close attention to.
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I'd definitely be letting developers have publisher accounts so they can work on getting exposure from my site, etc. It's not totally about me distributing apps...
Try to picture this: I can get traffic. Traffic coming to my site and seeing your apps there, your ROMs there, etc, want to download them, etc, well, not only gets you not only exposure, but income from the apps as well seeing as how they're downloading you stuff because they found info and reviews on it on my site.
Yes, the market would definitely be the #1 way to go, but what harm can it do to get some more exposure to your stuff? as well as get user reviews and the income that youre concerned about?
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Reminds me of a site that I frequent called XDA.
Maybe I am missing the point? Are you simply offering to host files?
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I will create mirrors for your files etc, and yes, you are missing the point. I wasn't 100% absolute sure in the direction I was heading with this, but I am offering you the exposure of traffic that comes to my site to see your apps etc, when they may not have ever noticed your app in the marketplace. User reviews, developer releases and all kinds of cool **** can happen here if you're willing to crack the shell away a little bit and accept my offer of free exposure to your stuff.
Why the hell would anyone pass up free? Beats me.
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I wasn't 100% absolute sure in the direction I was heading with this,
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For the record, my comments were not meant to be disparaging, but to help you figure that out.
I'm not going to go into how old I am, but I'm not exactly wet behind the ears. I was making a living in the "computer field" since long before anything called a "web browser" ever existed. The first time I heard about Mosaic, my reaction was "eh, sounds like gopher with pictures. big deal." (It wasn't a great article....)
There are two main reasons why projects fail. The first, and by far the greatest, is because the people starting that project never ask themselves, and come up with a clear answer to, "what problem am I trying to solve?"....
The second reason is that they fail to ask themselves "Is my solution something people will actually use?".
If you have good answers to those two questions, then the rest is just the legwork of getting it done. If you don't have good answers to those questions, then no amount of work will produce a successful outcome.
Sorry if I sound harsh, just trying to be helpful.
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For the record, my comments were not meant to be disparaging, but to help you figure that out.
I'm not going to go into how old I am, but I'm not exactly wet behind the ears. I was making a living in the "computer field" since long before anything called a "web browser" ever existed. The first time I heard about Mosaic, my reaction was "eh, sounds like gopher with pictures. big deal." (It wasn't a great article....)
There are two main reasons why projects fail. The first, and by far the greatest, is because the people starting that project never ask themselves, and come up with a clear answer to, "what problem am I trying to solve?"....
The second reason is that they fail to ask themselves "Is my solution something people will actually use?".
If you have good answers to those two questions, then the rest is just the legwork of getting it done. If you don't have good answers to those questions, then no amount of work will produce a successful outcome.
Sorry if I sound harsh, just trying to be helpful.
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Not harsh at all and I comprehend your points. Maybe my tone sounded harsh when it was simply factual and jsut telling my purpose.
I feel that the purpose of this site I opened is good, and it can be very useful. But just like any other good thing, it usually cannot be done by one person. Support for the project is always a plus, and it can be made to be an excellent resource for people who are green on both sides, that want to get into modding android devices.
I dont think that it is a waste of my time, but in order for it to make it to where I'd like it to be, it can definitely use all the support and input that it can get. Thats why I brought the whole subject up, here. There are lots of developers here and even I am new to a lot of the stuff here, and I feel that it would be a great asset to a lot fo folks here if you jsut give it a chance.
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Not harsh at all and I comprehend your points. Maybe my tone sounded harsh when it was simply factual and jsut telling my purpose.
I feel that the purpose of this site I opened is good, and it can be very useful. But just like any other good thing, it usually cannot be done by one person. Support for the project is always a plus, and it can be made to be an excellent resource for people who are green on both sides, that want to get into modding android devices.
I dont think that it is a waste of my time, but in order for it to make it to where I'd like it to be, it can definitely use all the support and input that it can get. Thats why I brought the whole subject up, here. There are lots of developers here and even I am new to a lot of the stuff here, and I feel that it would be a great asset to a lot fo folks here if you jsut give it a chance.
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Oh, I never meant to imply it was a waste of time. Nothing of the sort. I think the Android platform has a huge amount of potential. For the people developing the platform, for the people developing apps to run on top of it, and for people creating the entire ecosystem that will surround it.
I guess what I was trying to do was get you thinking about a statement that you ended up making yourself. That you weren't 100% sure about the direction you wanted to take this. Whatever direction you decide on, I think your chances of success are much greater if you have a clear idea of what that direction is.
That said, I like your idea. I'd love to hear more about what you have in mind.
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Oh, I never meant to imply it was a waste of time. Nothing of the sort. I think the Android platform has a huge amount of potential. For the people developing the platform, for the people developing apps to run on top of it, and for people creating the entire ecosystem that will surround it.
I guess what I was trying to do was get you thinking about a statement that you ended up making yourself. That you weren't 100% sure about the direction you wanted to take this. Whatever direction you decide on, I think your chances of success are much greater if you have a clear idea of what that direction is.
That said, I like your idea. I'd love to hear more about what you have in mind.
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Why dont you PM me with some messenger info so we can talk? I run ICQ and AIM because ICQ is what is industry standard in the industry I work in.
jerry43812 said:
Why dont you PM me with some messenger info so we can talk? I run ICQ and AIM because ICQ is what is industry standard in the industry I work in.
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Will do. I mainly use Skype these days for IM, but I can throw ICQ on my computer real quick.
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Will do. I mainly use Skype these days for IM, but I can throw ICQ on my computer real quick.
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Awesome, look forward to talking with you!
Got an article coming soon on the best battery app I found, along with some info from the developer. This should be live within a day or two.
I am looking for more stuff to write articles about, and it will involve some email communication between us so I can get the most accurate info onto the site.
Anyone want to be the one of the first few people to get featured on the site? PM me your email address so I can contact you
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Got an article coming soon on the best battery app I found, along with some info from the developer. This should be live within a day or two.
I am looking for more stuff to write articles about, and it will involve some email communication between us so I can get the most accurate info onto the site.
Anyone want to be the one of the first few people to get featured on the site? PM me your email address so I can contact you
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Got that article written and set live, and I also have a few other things on there, including a comprehensive guide to rooting the Sprint HTC Hero.
well an app review site would be great as i tend to follow users input when i download apps, and the input in the Market is just crap .. what some user find to be a bad app could actualy be a very good app for others. i sometime do it myself when i download an app , i look for user rating and comments. and decide wether to download the app or not, based on the user ratings..
The other thing would be a app request, meaning i been loking for an app that will play FLAC or AAC music files, i found 2 , 1 is from XDA ( a good app but the GUI is must to be desired ) the other is a cheap app that sometimes plays sometimes dont.. LOL
if someone would make good app for this i would be willing to pay for it 20.00 if i had to ...
The point is i would love a place that i could go to and request an app or suggest ideas for an app..
my 2 cents
rgildoss said:
well an app review site would be great as i tend to follow users input when i download apps, and the input in the Market is just crap .. what some user find to be a bad app could actualy be a very good app for others. i sometime do it myself when i download an app , i look for user rating and comments. and decide wether to download the app or not, based on the user ratings..
The other thing would be a app request, meaning i been loking for an app that will play FLAC or AAC music files, i found 2 , 1 is from XDA ( a good app but the GUI is must to be desired ) the other is a cheap app that sometimes plays sometimes dont.. LOL
if someone would make good app for this i would be willing to pay for it 20.00 if i had to ...
The point is i would love a place that i could go to and request an app or suggest ideas for an app..
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You're able t request apps and stuff there, I honestly havent set that section up because I am working on other content first. You can possibly post a new thread requesting someone code something for you, but I am not sure on the pricing of their work, etc. Let me work on getting some good app coders on my side and then I'll open up the requests section.
A few blog and newspaper are reporting the discovery disclosed by 2 Apple hacker at blackhat conference. (if they are not apple fanboy then they sure look like they are)
http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/...-steals-your-data-was-downloaded-by-millions/
As much as I do care about data security and think that some people may not be careful enough about what they carry on their phone, I dislike reading such story without much proof, I truly hope Google will put an end to this by posting something about it.
The funny part is that the application made by their company (lookout) is asking for MUCH MORE right than the wallpaper they are pinpointing, I am also wondering about their genome project and I am wondering if they used that "virus scanner" to gather application info from the people who used it (that being said without any proof, just my gut feeling exactly like their theory on those wallpaper)
On a more positive side I hope this will raise some people awareness about what they install on their phone even rom's could one day get compromised but I do not think we are there yet...
So the whole point of this post is to ask all the blogger around to get back to those 2 security researcher and ask them to provide proof (source code) of the malware they found so that we can put an end to this story either way...
The more people will switch from the Apple to Android, the more hate and dirt there will be about Android.
It's just getting started.
Personally, it's fun to watch, they gonna lose anyway.
DarkDvr said:
The more people will switch from the Apple to Android, the more hate and dirt there will be about Android.
It's just getting started.
Personally, it's fun to watch, they gonna lose anyway.
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I do respect apple for bringing some great innovation but I am concerned about the lack of quality coverage I see in some blog and online news paper, I mean nobody seem to have asked proof or a second opinion on quite a few recent post (like the 80% of android user would not buy another one story...)
As for the winner or looser, as long as user win I am fine with this war...
I saw this and it seems like propaganda....they took all the time to write the article but neglected to mention the application name.
britoso said:
I saw this and it seems like propaganda....they took all the time to write the article but neglected to mention the application name.
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They did publish the name of the app, In fact a LOT of different one since this is simply a program that download wallpaper from various theme. the guy have flooded the market with all of the different theme he offer.
http://www.androidcentral.com/rogue-android app-stealing-data-according-security-firm#comments
If you look at the update they wrote to change a bit the story of what the application does, the developer seem to be a bit lost about this.
Either way if this app is really a malware then they should have contacted google, and they should have published the EXACT description of what they do, instead they talk about their market analysis ...
Some fact, about time!
http://blog.mylookout.com/2010/07/mobile-application-analysis-blackhat/#more-1380
Here's the developer answer so android central http://www.scribd.com/mobile/documents/35072457
Now let's see if Google has something to say about this WallPaperGate... in the mean time it look like they SUSPENDED all the developer app
Personally I have no problem with those wallpaper app, I do not use lookout tho since I believe it's asking for too much right and I am not convinced it does something at all
How about "flickey wallpaper" ? I use that one, and it rhymes with the listed application.
adambenjamin said:
How about "flickey wallpaper" ? I use that one, and it rhymes with the listed application.
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Hey thanks for pointing this program (flikie) it's great!
The right requested by flikie are quite normal so I installed it, I do not use picture as wallpaper usually but I do like to watch them!
Back to the topics, I think the developpers in general should review their apps and make sure they do not ask for undue right!
Application to protect yourself
I personally use aSpotCat to screen what the application are using as right on my nexus one, it is free and allow you to revise the right of installed app
If you know of other app that can prevent malware from spreading please post them
thats how it is in an open system. some people will exploit it.
thats a trade off of the android market.... we will get spyware eventually.
I agree with antikryst... this happens on any platform. Don't look like iPhans and deny the truth and deflect the blame. These guys may or may not have an agenda, but they didn't "seem" to make this stuff up.
I call partly BS
The wallpaper apps in question cannot access your contact's phone numbers, SMS messages or personal information.
Check out the manifest permissions on the apps in question. It is the last item that is the problem.
!Storage
modify Delete
!Your location
coarse (network-based) location
!Network communication
full Internet access
!Phone calls
read phone state and identity
The permission only allows the app to read the IMEI number of your phone (your hardware's unique identifying number), your phone number, and your currently programmed voice-mail number. If you hard coded your voice-mail password as part of your voice-mail number, then they have that too.
They shouldn't be stealing this info, and Google should separate "read phone state" from "read identity", but the stories on this app stating that your SMS's and contacts being stolen and sent to China just plain wrong.
johnp263 said:
They shouldn't be stealing this info, and Google should separate "read phone state" from "read identity", but the stories on this app stating that your SMS's and contacts being stolen and sent to China just plain wrong.
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And, unfortunately, that stemmed from the original article written at VentureBeat being incorrect. The presenters never actually said SMS and browser history were compromised. I know that at least Engadget was contacted and informed that the article at VentureBeat was incorrect, and VentureBeat also corrected their article to indicate that SMSs and browser histories were not being compromised. But at the start, it was too late, and from there, it was a game of telephone.
Here is a blog post by one of the presenters to clarify everything.
http://blog.mylookout.com/2010/07/mobile-application-analysis-blackhat/
amnigo said:
And, unfortunately, that stemmed from the original article written at VentureBeat being incorrect. The presenters never actually said SMS and browser history were compromised. I know that at least Engadget was contacted and informed that the article at VentureBeat was incorrect, and VentureBeat also corrected their article to indicate that SMSs and browser histories were not being compromised. But at the start, it was too late, and from there, it was a game of telephone.
Here is a blog post by one of the presenters to clarify everything.
http://blog.mylookout.com/2010/07/mobile-application-analysis-blackhat/
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What a douche bag. The initial commentary about the apps was essentially "It's stealing you babies and your babie's babie's babies".
But I guess actually telling what the app actually does is a little less exciting than what they did.
Title says it all. If we have a list of sites, some people here can contact them and hopefully get it resolved sooner rather than later. Take a proactive approach I always say... well not all the time, but you know what I mean.
Post the sites in a list format, and I will update this post with the URLs, then I will also post who contacted them. If a site is fixed, post here also so we can show resolution to this issue.
Also, if someone contacts some sites, and posts that they did so, show them some thanks. This needs to be a group effort
If enough people contact these sites, then they will add the user agent string to their site.
if you're not currently tracking the issue that I'm talking about: In Honeycomb, the browser's default user agent string is "Android"; in previous versions of the OS, it's "Android Mobile." This is meant to serve as a way for Web sites to differentiate between large-screen and small-screen Android devices and then respond appropriately. Thus far, however, most Web developers haven't implemented support for the two strings, which is why both are currently being treated the same.
Gizmodo.
But frankly considering their recent makeover is so goddam terrible, I'm 'ok' with only getting the mobile
powercrazy said:
Gizmodo.
But frankly considering their recent makeover is so goddam terrible, I'm 'ok' with only getting the mobile
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HAHA agreed! the makeover SUCKS!!! And i love how the first post with the redone site said "Here is why our new site IS better" or something to that affect... anyhow all it does is let them advertise more effectively. the setup is terrible, so i too am happy to get the mobile version! no site should be that difficult to navigate or even just read!
Also i read that if you type "about:debug" in the browser it will give many more settings one of which is for desktop browsing. did it on my captivate running serendipity and got lots of new setting but no desktop browsing, but then the xoom is a tablet running honeycomb...
sorry for double post...
mormegil83 said:
Also i read that if you type "about:debug" in the browser it will give many more settings one of which is for desktop browsing. did it on my captivate running serendipity and got lots of new setting but no desktop browsing, but then the xoom is a tablet running honeycomb...
sorry for double post...
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well this is known, but what I'm trying to do is have everyone get ahold of these sites so we can get the proper version up... Sans gizmodo for obvious reasons.
Please list some sites so everyone can help, that's what this thread is for.
How's going to tell Google to update their sites (like Google Reader)?? A shame they are not recognizing honeycombs correctly.
Cnet
Sent from my Xoom the way it should be, rooted and with SD card.