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New Windows Mobile OS - Codename "Crossbow"

Saw this on msmobilenews.com so i thought i would post it here.
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New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Windows Mobile 5 is the current OS of choice for Windows Mobile users however the next iteration, codenamed Crossbow, has shown its face, check out the full Pocket PC homescreen shown above! It has a glossy title bar and soft keys and will feature Vista-esque folder icons etc.
New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Pieter Knook, a Microsoft Sr. VP, has commented that Microsoft plan to release an upgrade to their mobile platform yearly which is interesting and could mean a new OS with every yearly upgrade for pay monthly contracts. Knook has also commented that Crossbow will have strong links with Office 2007 and Exchange 12 as well as including the mobile version of Office Communicator, an Instant Messenger tool for enterprises.
New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Google cache caught a leaked presentation which told us that Crossbow will be released to manufacturer in Q4 2006 ready for release in Q1/Q2 of 2007 and that the next operating system (codenamed "Photon") will be released to manufacturers in Q4 2007 ready for release in Q1/Q2 2008 (Photon is set to include a new, flexible shell with modular containers and utilise the “Yamazaki” CE kernel).
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Well all i can say is what a HUGE disappointment! Is this really the best M$ can do? If looks are anything to go by, then i have seen far better mods on here. Let's just hope that any enhancements under the "skin" are worthwhile.
Regards,
Colin.

Why it is dissapointmet to you, the GUI looks nice. How you can comment something that you have never used ?

I cannot conclude from these screenshots what changes are, but if there are again mostly cosmetic changes with increased instability, three times increased size and correspondilngly long boot time, as it was upon change from PPC2003 to WM5... it sucks

The changes from WM2003 to WM5 are far from cosmetic. OK, many of the changes don't *directly* affect users from day one, but as the platform is improved, it makes the developers more productive so you see more, better and cheaper software. Visual C++ and (worse VB) for Embedded Platforms (or whatever it was called) was an utter nightmare. Dotnet compact framework moved the game along enormously and .net 2.0 has utterly improved things again. Take a look at the original 1960s Jaguar XJ6 and then at the current XJ6. They look very similar, but they couldn't be more different under the skin.

Yes, it is true. I was too critical in that reply. There are many positive sides too. What made me nervous are just some points where my good old iPAQ 2210 is better/faster than brand new Universal

And my original XDA is too, but the benefits (for me) outway the problems. If that were not the case, I'd still use the XDA every day. Take a look at this and tell me the changes are just cosmetic
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/09/11/749942.aspx

xplode said:
Why it is dissapointmet to you, the GUI looks nice. How you can comment something that you have never used ?
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My disappointment is purely at the cosmetics. You correctly point out that i have never used it. The reason being there are far better looking skins available now for our WM5 PDA's. I guess i wished to see something different. Something that makes you go "Oooh, look at that!" etc.
Never mind, we will just have to wait and see later this year hopefully what exactly all the fuss is about!

I was surprised with the battery-icon and time.

It's very real. Today I went out to lunch with an old colleague who went out to Bellevue and an MS rep there was flashing folks 2125's, 3125's and 8125's with betas of the new OS. He had a 2125. It had a lot of goodies and looked pretty slick. That would've been nice to get my 8125 fixed up. I played around with his 2125 for a few seconds - was VERY snappy compared to my wife's.

techtalkonline said:
My disappointment is purely at the cosmetics. You correctly point out that i have never used it. The reason being there are far better looking skins available now for our WM5 PDA's. I guess i wished to see something different. Something that makes you go "Oooh, look at that!" etc.
Never mind, we will just have to wait and see later this year hopefully what exactly all the fuss is about!
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I will be gratefull if you show me more slick skins than this one (please exclude the eten dialer variants) and by skins i mean today theme, dialer, and comm manager

Here's the Windows Mobile Release Map:

Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.

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Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
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Yea, they should call it Microsoft Start 5.0, lol.
I really wish MS would release the update WM5 or later for sale, or even for free...that would stop a lot of hair being pulled out.

starik said:
Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
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Dialogue windows are still windows and even if a window occupies the full screen, does that make it any less of a window? Think back to the original analogy: these are windows into the programme. I think the term still fits.

HD2 to have windows phone 7 series

Forward to 6:51:30 and pay close attention to the her hand raised to her Ear @ 6:51:38 and Pause....that bak of the HTC HD2 !!!!!!
They have masked the front of the phone with CGI...LoL
HTC HD2 .....YEP !!! there it is !!!
http://www.studiosevent.com/newscen...&height=360&color=FF5500&width=400&height=224

surely looks like one... and it's easier to modify the look of an existing phone with effects than building a whole new device for the express reason to make an advertisement.
But even admitting that WAS indeed a CG'ed HD2, how would it confirm we're getting a WinMo7 update?

You are SOOO RIGHT!!!
I took a screen shot of it!
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It could simply mean that they weren't expecting people to watch the video frame by frame! I can't really see that this means we're getting Winmo 7 for the HD2...

monty_rm said:
It could simply mean that they weren't expecting people to watch the video frame by frame! I can't really see that this means we're getting Winmo 7 for the HD2...
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you are right it is ot a prove

monty_rm said:
It could simply mean that they weren't expecting people to watch the video frame by frame! I can't really see that this means we're getting Winmo 7 for the HD2...
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Seen as there are no phones released for WP7 they had to use some sort of prop for the video!

from the still of the video, I'd say it's either not an HD2 (you can guess only from camera lens and leds), or they went so far as to model it to look thicker and with "rounder" edges.
Still, the fact that they did so much to camouflage it being an HD2 (admitting it actually is), if nothing else, proves that they didn't want to give too many hopes about hd2 getting WM7,otherwise it would have been a good idea to take the most succesful WM device on the market right now and put it in a WM7 video...

Sure, but I have no doubt that WM7 will be running on the HD2 soon after release (if not before.) It uses a newer version of the Windows CE core, so it isn't that inconceivable that it will find its way to the HD2, one way or another. Not sure what all the fuss is about, really. After seeing the videos, the interface is not that great. It is better than 6.5, but Microsoft has NEVER been known for its design strength or esthetic sense. Sure, the guy who was a designer for Nike is responsible for it, but how much do tennis shoes and cellular phone UI's have in common?
I hate the fact that MS has decided to take the position that they have with regard to the UI, but if history shows us anything, this "limit" will mean nothing. Any barrier they put up will eventually be crossed by someone.
I still think that Sense is the best mobile UI experience, and I really like it on the HD2. Microsoft has publicly stated that they will continue development on WM 6.5, so I hope that it gets updated, along with Sense, to preserve what is special about the HD2 user experience. It's just cool, and it does everything I needed my phone to do... even more so with custom ROMs.

vardig said:
Forward to 6:51:30 and pay close attention to the her hand raised to her Ear @ 6:51:38 and Pause....that bak of the HTC HD2 !!!!!!
They have masked the front of the phone with CGI...LoL
HTC HD2 .....YEP !!! there it is !!!
http://www.studiosevent.com/newscen...&height=360&color=FF5500&width=400&height=224
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Looks like an iPhone to me

A mocked up photo no more means an upgrade for the HD2 than a mocked up photo of a car on the moon means that it is capable of space flight!
Leaks aside, I can't see HTC rushing to provide an upgrade for a device that will be nudging a year old come the time WM7 hits the market. It's rather more likely that MS are teeing up device manufacturers for the next generation of phones. Any link to the HD2, even tenuous ones like the phone in the video, may be because the HD2 is one of very few devices capable of running their alpha/proof of concept.
As to whether I actually want the upgrade...looks OK-ish but seems to be moving too far towards the 'I won't like it if it's too hard and needs me to think for myself' brigade of Apple-loving iWhingers for my tastes. Of course this is all still essentially speculation.

lucky we got htc sence because the OS 7 interface looks ugly

if wm7 doesnot support other ui ,then all the years of development done by htc untill reaching htc sense 2.5 will be threw to rubbish as all future htc phones will not have htc sense , may be hd2 is the last device to use sense 2.5 in htc windows product line ,

hoss_n2 said:
if wm7 doesnot support other ui ,then all the years of development done by htc untill reaching htc sense 2.5 will be threw to rubbish as all future htc phones will not have htc sense , may be hd2 is the last device to use sense 2.5 in htc windows product line ,
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there is always potential for windows 6.7 upgrade for future devices

There actually will be concurrent and continued development of WM 6.5, per Microsoft's direct statements, and Sense UI will continue to be used in other platforms, most notably, Android, so Sense is safe for the foreseeable future. I don't think HTC will scrap it, nor should they do so.
I love the Sense UI, and I wish that MS would adopt it as the stock UI in WM7, but they never asked me.
Seriously, can you imagine how it could be improved if it wasn't just a skin, but actually a part of the OS itself?

Sorry, but the Xperia X1 has been also in WM6.5-promos and it has never got an update...

donalgodon said:
Sure, the guy who was a designer for Nike is responsible for it, but how much do tennis shoes and cellular phone UI's have in common?
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I found that odd as well. Nike? What's that got to do with user interfaces??
WP7 just barely works during some of the video presentations I've seen today. In a couple of the videos, the presenter had to go back to the home panel a few times and try again or just continue on to the next feature.
It might be December before it comes out and then most of you guys will be lusting after the HD3.

Isn't HTC going to have a press event tomorrow at MWC? Maybe someone will ask a question on whether or not the HD2 will receive an upgrade to WP7?

HD2 Running WP7
I hope we can have this OS soon...
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13395

This looks fake to me...

I just hope it's not fake...

windows phone 7 Os on SGS2

Hi
There are rumours floating around that Samsung is in the process of putting wp7 on SGS2 ( maybe a variant of it)
So was wondering if they did bring out one would it be possible to port wp7 onto out SGS2 sinse it would be the same hardware.
I would like to dual boot if possible( like the HTC HD2 ).. what do you guys think ?
cnet link Here

I've tried WP7 on both native and non-native devices and believe me, it works better on native devices, just like Android does.
Besides, it's fugly and too new to be even considered as an alternative to Android. Also, if it's a non-native device then you could have issues with registering it to its full capabilities.
And finally, I don't believe a word of that article. Sounds to me like someone's come out from under a bridge, looking for snacks.

* DANG DoUBLE POST * Didnt see the other post#
ANyways
I kinda like WP7 as I have HTC HD7 and I just love the facebook , twitter and email on my HD7, I still think android is not that good for emails
The only reason I love android more is cause of the apps, and googlemaps and the great old flash junkie in me which make me want android.
But yeah If some DEV does port it, it would be great ......
Oh I might be a happy bunny once I install mango as it seems to iron out some of the few problems currently WP7 user's have

I'd be interested in doing this. I would like to get on the development scene... Funny, I was thinking this the other day!
First, I have to build a basic C# app... Damn you High-School for taking my time!

Since I tried out Launcher 7 as my launcher and UberMusic as my music player, I've been very interested in having a proper WindowsPhone. If the clones are this good, how good should the original OS be?
It's looking very likely that I will be owning a WP7 device, if they open up the system. If I have to jailbreak to get basic things done like on iPhone, it's not even an option.

johncmolyneux said:
Sounds to me like someone's come out from under a bridge, looking for snacks.
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HA!
I would love to dual-boot this thing.

aydc said:
If the clones are this good, how good should the original OS be?.
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I actually have a HTC HD7 and windows phone 7 is really good but cause its new is still few things to iron out and not much apps.
I will actually go for Nokia windows phone 7 are out as Nokia does the best hardware and I kinda love WP7 as well

johncmolyneux said:
Besides, it's fugly and too new to be even considered as an alternative to Android.
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[email protected] part.

i wouldnt consider anything micro$oft good on my sgs2. nice idea and good luck to anyone that trys. i would peronally prefer to see the effort put into the excellent development on Android for this phone. just my pennies worth.

Sorry to open the grave but..
Sorry to open the grave but.. is there an custom rom, which looks like windows phone 7?
If not, it is impossible to create one, looking like it?
Greetings

N4wuko said:
Sorry to open the grave but.. is there an custom rom, which looks like windows phone 7?
If not, it is impossible to create one, looking like it?
Greetings
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launcher 7 is as good as your going to get mate.

Yeah, I tested it already.
But, i am looking for something more integrated.
For a real theme, someone know something like that?

WP7 is better than android.

666fff said:
WP7 is better than android.
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I smell troll sh**
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I'm wanting to try the same! So a full WP7 Rom for SGS2 Android deviecs!

I'm using launcher 7 atm
Like it a lot
Just wondering if we will have full rom for sgs2
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simonjcruse said:
i wouldnt consider anything micro$oft good on my sgs2. nice idea and good luck to anyone that trys. i would peronally prefer to see the effort put into the excellent development on Android for this phone. just my pennies worth.
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WP7 is actually pretty good. Stop being an Android fanboy.

It would be real treasure if Samsung gave us option to change our OS to Android or WP7 anytime we like...

This is basically the GS2 with WP7, minus the dual core processor.
Samsung Focus S - Pretty nice looking phone, probably one of the best of the new Mango phones.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-I937OKAATT
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I love android on SGS2, it will be great for the one who's looking to dual boot !
I dont know how W7 is good at mails ? May be cos I dnt like Windows Mobile OS anymore
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Sounds like the HD2 delivered proof for what the people are saying about it. It just refuses to die.
UEFI MAGLDR - sounds amazing

It's more of a, Microsoft you lied!! Kind of thing.
WP8 from what we can see, has booted up and if its not a different kernel then all windows phone devices are capable of running the new os....
At any rate we must wait for more details instead of pictures to confirm any thing besides what we have seen.
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One more comment:
A lot of problems there still . . . (c) @CotullaCode
And one more picture:

Hello,
For now it's actually just a proof of concept.
I honestly dunno how far it can goes forward; a lot of problems appear and not sure will be it's possible to solve them.
And not only to solve them, but get an acceptable user experience
It was implied as "a crazy experiment" at the start up time :laugh:
For now it's implemented only few functionality like SD card, screen output, touch screen input.
All other things are not working. I won't add "YET" it can be very hard to get some things to work.
and DFT didn't yet decided about future developments in that direction.
It's more of a, Microsoft you lied!! Kind of thing.
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they can be right also . . .I don't know yet.
But NT is much more heavy system than CE. remember that.

Cotulla said:
they can be right also . . .I don't know yet.
But NT is much more heavy system than CE. remember that.
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Yes that may be right. But isn't there a deeper knowledge of the NT Kernel than the CE Kernel?
I mean you would probably not find answers on StackOwerflow if you ran into a problem developing a CE driver. Chances are higher for NT, you know...

Yes, it helps a lot of, but usually only answers to basic questions. Complex and the most intersting ones are usually always kept answered

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Cotulla said:
Hello,
For now it's actually just a proof of concept.
I honestly dunno how far it can goes forward; a lot of problems appear and not sure will be it's possible to solve them.
And not only to solve them, but get an acceptable user experience
It was implied as "a crazy experiment" at the start up time :laugh:
For now it's implemented only few functionality like SD card, screen output, touch screen input.
All other things are not working. I won't add "YET" it can be very hard to get some things to work.
and DFT didn't yet decided about future developments in that direction.
they can be right also . . .I don't know yet.
But NT is much more heavy system than CE. remember that.
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Sence Nt is much heavy system than CE I wonder if it will be possible or better to have large capacity sd card or if possibleto run this type of rom from sd rather than nand? not realy a question just my thoughts. niceto see some progress in this direction good luck with future crazy experiment. =)

It's now running from SD card. NAND is not assumed to be supported by any way
(there is no native support for such storage medias inside NT, as well no goal to add such support - cuz NAND is too small for that purposes)
But SD cards are not really fast . . . unlike eMMC with 8bit bus inside native WP8 devices.
As well too often access to SD card may produce big power drain.

Hi Cotulla, I noticed somebody's partial fingerprint on the screen in post 3, I hope you don't mind it being posted all over the internet
Thanks for all your hard work

I think we need windows phone 8 section for HD2 D

Drivers I would assume is another issue since with a new kernel the old development drivers are non functional... So its like running a new ver of android on an old device. With some work you can get it too boot, but then things like camera, WiFi, etc won't work.
But it is nice even with all the issues to see that in fact WP8 can run on old hardware. If if all it does is pose for the cameras.
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ouyah!
UEFI @ MAGLDR!
now if only there is a dual/ quad core out there that resembles the HD2 as the software is advancing while the HW is aging.
thanks for your enthusiasm Cotulla :highfive:

That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind.
---Neil Armstrong, July 1969
Thanks, Cotulla and DFT team, hope you talented guys can solve all problems.
I have a 32g C10 SanDisk ready.

Does that means someday in the future we will have WP8 on old devices like HTC Titan?

Nice work Cotulla,our precious device is a legend thanks to you and DFT.
VIVA Cotulla and HD2

Cotulla said:
It's now running from SD card. NAND is not assumed to be supported by any way
(there is no native support for such storage medias inside NT, as well no goal to add such support - cuz NAND is too small for that purposes)
But SD cards are not really fast . . . unlike eMMC with 8bit bus inside native WP8 devices.
As well too often access to SD card may produce big power drain.
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well there are class 10 5~10MB/S. It's not hyper fast, but hey not that slow...
UEFI MAGLDR is really amazing. Wow...
Any chance of Windows 8 RT on HD2? I am kidding

tfouto said:
well there are class 10 5~10MB/S. It's not hyper fast, but hey not that slow...
UEFI MAGLDR is really amazing. Wow...
Any chance of Windows 8 RT on HD2? I am kidding
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Nah, counter-intuitively it's actually class 2 cards you want for running an OS from the SD card. Class 10 performs the worst in this case.

windows 10 mobile to android

can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer

ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.

darkfires said:
I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS
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Does that explain why windows phone has 80% market share? Oh wait...

recently MS released WM10 roms for mi phones which worked really well , so if we are able to tweak those roms and firmware , we might be able to port them to other android devices

I would rather looking forward to run Windows 10 Mobile on Android Device.
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I hope we see growth in this type of emulation. Just look at Winulator. That project had so much promise but it was just 1 guy and he abandoned it citing problems with piracy. If that app was perfected you could literally run 99% of directx games ever made natively on any decently powered Android device without having to buy a Surface or some other overpriced MS product. MS still has the gaming industry by the balls, has been that way since we were forced to go to windows 95 because games were developed that wouldn't run on 3.11 anymore.

You can install ANDROID on Lumia Devices now https://youtu.be/cRt575WRzt8

Lololololololol
darkfires said:
I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.
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LOOOOOOL ---- Why dont you check Android sales -vs- windows phone sale and see who the winner is?! I'm willing to bet $5000 cash that anything you can do on your windows phone I can do better, faster, & more complete with my Android. In other words, put your money where your mouth is!
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You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?

Convert Windows to Android
ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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In my opinion you should not convert your windows phone to an android. Rather you should buy a new android phone. But if you really are not open to buying a new one so try this Android View App. In this way you can at least get the Android UI on your windows phone.

AiOGajo said:
You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?
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uh yeah you pretty much can. depends on what you mean by "live tiles" but there are def launchers with live icons and if you really wanted to you could code a live tile launcher that works exactly the same without too much trouble. i had a nokia lumina 710 running wp7 years ago. it was an awful piece of garbage. there was no app development for it at all (not even instagram lol) and even after modding there was very little you could do with it. im sure the platform has progressed since then but nothing beats the huge amount of rom and app dev for android. android is definitely the most flexible and capable mobile operating system but i wouldnt mind having a little side chick windows phone to play with.
as for OP.....yeah probably not gonna happen anytime soon. nobody has time to completely rewrite all the drivers and kernels and firmware and what not from the ground up as is necessary for running an operating system that is systemically varied from the software the hardware was made with in mind. someone mentioned that there was some kind of official builds for some devices and they are right its possible those roms could be ported or something, def your best hope but dont hold your breath