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Heya, I'm going to visit the gamescom 2010 in Cologne in a few weeks. And right now, my Dream is draining his battery faster than you could say uhhm... a really short word. And Cologne is not really close, that means atleast 8 hours of listening to music etc.
So I'm searching for a Eclair ROM with a nice, long battery life. I already looked into the ROM bible, but without real user experiences it don't really persuades me. Or does someone have some advices how to save as much battery life as possible?
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Heya, I'm going to visit the gamescom 2010 in Cologne in a few weeks. And right now, my Dream is draining his battery faster than you could say uhhm... a really short word. And Cologne is not really close, that means atleast 8 hours of listening to music etc.
So I'm searching for a Eclair ROM with a nice, long battery life. I already looked into the ROM bible, but without real user experiences it don't really persuades me. Or does someone have some advices how to save as much battery life as possible?
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Hey Alex, I got usually around 10 hours of battery life using SpeedTeam Eclair, now that wasnt playing music for 8 hours straight. All newer Roms on the G1, Eclair (2.1) and Froyo (2.2) drain battery life and will never last as long as a Donut (1.6) Rom did. I am current using SuperFast which is a Donut Rom and yesterday I got 17 hours before I plugged it in to fully charge and I still had 40% of battery life to go. So I would say if your looking for great battery life go back to a Donut rom.
If you want a rom to show off then an eclair or froyo rom is where its at but dont expect the battery to last over 10 hours of moderate use. Now you could try Speedteam and while traveling there Turn on Airplane mode (which of course shuts all cell/data Off) and you should get a better battery life. But then again you wont beable to talk to anybody or receive txt messages. Hope this helps.
Sorry about the Rom Bible the user experiences part has been lacking but I just dont have the time lately to flash all the roms and test them out, I have requested other users to give me there experiences and I would place it in the post. But yet again hope this helps.
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Hey Alex, I got usually around 10 hours of battery life using SpeedTeam Eclair, now that wasnt playing music for 8 hours straight. All newer Roms on the G1, Eclair (2.1) and Froyo (2.2) drain battery life and will never last as long as a Donut (1.6) Rom did. I am current using SuperFast which is a Donut Rom and yesterday I got 17 hours before I plugged it in to fully charge and I still had 40% of battery life to go. So I would say if your looking for great battery life go back to a Donut rom.
If you want a rom to show off then an eclair or froyo rom is where its at but dont expect the battery to last over 10 hours of moderate use. Now you could try Speedteam and while traveling there Turn on Airplane mode (which of course shuts all cell/data Off) and you should get a better battery life. But then again you wont beable to talk to anybody or receive txt messages. Hope this helps.
Sorry about the Rom Bible the user experiences part has been lacking but I just dont have the time lately to flash all the roms and test them out, I have requested other users to give me there experiences and I would place it in the post. But yet again hope this helps.
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Thanks for the reply, I'm gonna give SuperFast a try and with airplane mode and lowest screen brightness during the train ride, it could work.
Oh and ty for the quick answer D:
Use an app called "setcpu" ($2 on market, free from the G1 apps section). Use it and set the max to 128 or 245. Under 128, you might get music to skip. On eclair I seem to be stable at the lower frequencies so I use 128 to listen to music. If 128 isn't good for you, try 245. This will make your battery last aproximately 50% or more longer.
Also, try amazon.com. I'd be surprised if you have to spend more the $6 shipped to your house for an OEM battery.
$10 for an extended battery.
Adds about 1/4" to your device, but its well worth it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2300mAh-Extende...ewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a0345cc94
I already use SetCPU (But as far as I remember it is free?) and while the screen is off, it underclocks it to 128-245 it really saves some battery, but it still isn't enough I think.
I also already thought about buying a larger battery, but my G1 already seems pretty large to me, and just barely fits into my pockets.
I finally stopped trying to get Eclair and Froyo to have a decent battery life and went back to SuperD just before I went on vacation a while back. I couldn't be happier - you forget how fast a G1 can be after you get used to Eclair.
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I already use SetCPU (But as far as I remember it is free?) and while the screen is off, it underclocks it to 128-245 it really saves some battery, but it still isn't enough I think.
I also already thought about buying a larger battery, but my G1 already seems pretty large to me, and just barely fits into my pockets.
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Turn off profile's on set cpu and underclock it while the screen is off. You're going for maximum battery life, not performance.
So, this post is 1/2 "rant" and 1/2 "any ideas", but the JI6 Update has been (in my opinion) a very serious letdown.
First of all, I can't be alone in thinking that the late-September update from Samsung would be a full-blown upgrade to Froyo. Obviously it's not. I guess we'll wait awhile before that's released
Secondly, I'm one of those sorry saps that had the update soft-brick my phone. It took me a few days to get around to the ODIN fix (bumping me back to "stock"), but it was still a royal pain.
Thirdly, I've already seen some issues that I didn't have before. For instance, the phone "froze" on me while sitting at home: no screen response. I had to pull the battery and power up again. Nice!
Finally, the battery life is utterly horrible for me -- and I'm not sure why. Currently at 26% battery life (now 8h 4m since unplugged). 34% of the usage is "display", which has been on for 28m total. 22% is cell standby. 15% is phone idle. 10% is voice calls (2m 10s of that). 8% is the Android System. So on and so forth. Basically, I've *hardly* used my phone today, yet the battery isn't going to last thru to the afternoon. I have 6 active applications, with none of them hitting the CPU at all currently. Best of all? The battery icon looks like I'm about 1/2 full, so evidently Samsung couldn't be bothered to make that icon accurate. I know about the battery icon mods out there (I've used 'em), but I figured Samsung would take care of that.
Sorry for the venting, folks. Is anyone else seeing similar stuff? Any ideas on the lame battery life??
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Yip
For me Android 2.1 which samsung released in Galaxy S is exactly like Windows Vista ! No matter how many updates you release for it still will make your phone **** !
The only option is to release a full new OS which is Windows 7 = Froyo !
Better than Windows NT = 1.6
Getting your phone bricked isnt the updates fault, there are hundreds of threads out there and reading just one couldve given you signs of warning.
As for your battery life, I am willing to bet your phone screen is full of widgets. Try limiting those, as well as automated syncing. I get excellent battery life that can EASILY last me the whole day (I actually find myself running avatar/pandora at the end of the night just to drain it so I can recharge the battery).
However, I do agree that the inaccurate battery reading should have been fixed a long time ago (or at least in this update) and that froyo should have been included with the release of this phone.
Your cell standy is too high which means you have things constantly using the cell signal to pull data, thus draining your battery. Right now I'm at 72% with 67% display, 14% voice calls, and 9% cell standby. Been unplugged for 3 and a half hours.
Not great but I'm purposely trying to let it die because I'm reconditioning.
The_wolf88 said:
For me Android 2.1 which samsung released in Galaxy S is exactly like Windows Vista ! No matter how many updates you release for it still will make your phone **** !
The only option is to release a full new OS which is Windows 7 = Froyo !
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Ha! You may just be right on that. Eclair seems like a fairly lame version of Android, if you ask me. Not horrible, but not great.
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Getting your phone bricked isnt the updates fault, there are hundreds of threads out there and reading just one couldve given you signs of warning.
As for your battery life, I am willing to bet your phone screen is full of widgets. Try limiting those, as well as automated syncing. I get excellent battery life that can EASILY last me the whole day (I actually find myself running avatar/pandora at the end of the night just to drain it so I can recharge the battery).
However, I do agree that the inaccurate battery reading should have been fixed a long time ago (or at least in this update) and that froyo should have been included with the release of this phone.
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"Signs of warning" means nothing, my friend. There are folks who didn't even *root* that got soft-bricked with this update. It was (somehow) poorly handled.
As for your widgets comment, well... you would've lost the bet. I use a single screen, no widgets, no weather stuff, bluetooth off, wifi on (but currently turned off), and nothing extraneous. I run Android about as light & frothy as you can get! I prefer speed over just about everything.
Any other thoughts, though? Perhaps I should re-load Autostarts to see if there's anything strange launching at boot time...
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Your cell standy is too high which means you have things constantly using the cell signal to pull data, thus draining your battery. Right now I'm at 72% with 67% display, 14% voice calls, and 9% cell standby. Been unplugged for 3 and a half hours.
Not great but I'm purposely trying to let it die because I'm reconditioning.
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Interesting. Any ideas what would be pinging the cell standby so much? I'm in a high-bandwidth area (full bars), so it's not like the phone is struggling to get signal. I use Gmail and Exchange, but my Exchange sync is set to "hourly", rather than push.
Doesn't seem like I'd need to disable my 3G connectivity. I certainly have never had to before.
You should probably reflash the update. JI6 was great on my phone, no hiccups, no lag, perfect GPS.
Also, you should recalibrate your battery after the update and give it a few days to settle down. I always get horrible battery life after flashing a rom, but after a few cycles I'm back up to 24h+.
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Honestly, I wouldn't know unless I knew your full setup. What I will say is that I do have a lot of widgets and apps running that pull from the internet but yet my cell standby isn't as high as yours. I haven't reduced any of my sync intervals either. The 3G radio can really drain battery fast, faster than even the screen so that is a problem.
Also, in JI6, they increased the strength of the radio so it drains even more battery. I am running the JI6 modem however.
You should use something like WatchDog to see what is constantly running and using CPU. That could give you an indicator of problem apps.
Well, I'm disabling some startup items: Visual Voicemail, Telenav, and Daily Briefing -- none of which I use. Maybe that'll help. I don't know...
I was really trying to run "stock" this time around -- not so much fooling and tinkering with things, but it doesn't appear to be paying off for me. Frustrating.
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Well, I'm disabling some startup items: Visual Voicemail, Telenav, and Daily Briefing -- none of which I use. Maybe that'll help. I don't know...
I was really trying to run "stock" this time around -- not so much fooling and tinkering with things, but it doesn't appear to be paying off for me. Frustrating.
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Oh wow, yea definitely you need to disable all of those. That's the first thing I do. I actually uninstall Visual Voicemail, Telenav, Amazon MP3 etc. ALL of those things constantly run for some reason even without you opening them once.
You're not alone. My battery life is terrible as well after the update. I'm losing 4% an hour on standby.
That said, my phone is smooth and working great when I do use it.
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You're not alone. My battery life is terrible as well after the update. I'm losing 4% an hour on standby.
That said, my phone is smooth and working great when I do use it.
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Amen to that. Except that the GPS is still unreliable.
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I'm having terrible battery life as well.
i'm 24 hours unplugged, sitting at 27%
all stock JI6
Again, if you didn't do so after the update, wipe battery stats and then do a few full drain/charge cycles. My battery life always sucks after flashing a new ROM, but it always goes back to normal given time.
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after the update for me, my gps is much better, but i actually have more lag then i had stock before....
so I need to either flash a kernel, lag fix, or a rom with at least one of those.... its kind of frustrating to have lag just from opening or closing a simple app, messages, or call... I honestly cant believe a phone with these hardware specs can have lag just from somthing as simple going into the dialer and exiting out...
Battery life seems to have decreased a little but still getting a good 20+ hours. GPS is a little better with use wireless networks. Lag is an issue now though. Didn't have much before a the update. Hopefully its solved in another update or froyo.
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So I applied the update on Tuesday through Mini Kies. First experience with this update, it's been great. My phone seems to faster, really I hardly experience any kind of lag or slowdown (and this is in comparison with my stock vibrant running OCLF). Battery life even seems to be better, but that is probably to do with conditioning. So everything has been good except for the fact that my phone has froze on me TWICE today. I'm thinking it's something to do with the apps though. I was in Layar and it was working for a bit when suddenly, it froze, I didn't have to pull the battery I just held the power button down for a good 5-10 seconds and it restarted. The other time was in a game, which kind of concerns me. I suppose I can reinstall both and see how that goes. I'm thinking it has more to do with the apps possibly being corrupted. The first thing I did was install the 2.2 market on my phone and I ran the update all function on like 15 apps that needed updating. Not a good idea imo, the market went crazy and forced closed a couple of times. I'm not entirely sure what is going but it seems like my phone is only freezing in certain apps. I hope it's not just some random freeze that can happen at anytime, that wouldn't be no good.
You guys complaining about battery life... i would Love to have your times. I got 3 hours and 8 minutes today on a fully charged battery.
Delete.
i'm very happy with the phone. the only caveat i really have (which a lot of people don't seem to have) is battery life. i get about 13-14 hours with 3-4 hours of display-on time, while others have been reporting double that.
as far as motoblur is concerned, if you just get another launcher and use Titanium Backup Pro to freeze motoblur Home and other services, then you won't even have to think about it.
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I should be receiving my Atrix for AT&T tomorrow, this will be a HUGGGGGGEEEEEE upgrade from my measly HTC Hero (Sprint CDMA) that I have modified to the ends of the Earth. I'm in need of more power and amazed at the stuff you can do with the Atrix.
My question to you all, has this phone met or surpassed your expectations? Did it fail to achieve those expectations? Tell me what you think of this phone, I have been reading so many reviews about the phone I feel like I know all technological aspects about the phone as well, haha.
How fast were you to get rid of MotoBlur?
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I think I can speak for a lot of people in saying that, as far as the Atrix goes, I am in love with the "potential" this phone has. But as far as meeting those expectations, well, that's something to be debated. There are areas where the dual core shines and other areas it seems it is not harnessing the full power. Then couple that with AT&T's network restrictions and Motorola's lockdown on the device, I'm going to have to say that I am disappointed in the Atrix as of now. That could change if there is a break through in the bootloader or if AT&T gets its act together and starts offering the "High speeds" we were promised. Only problem is though, my 30 days is almost up and I don't know if I can hold onto the phone in hopes of "potential".
Coming from a captivate I love this phone...everything works includi.g the gps. Most of motoblur is gone on my phone. The phone is amazingly fast but does have an occasional hiccup. An unlocked bootloader would turn this into the best available android phone but its one of the top
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...Only problem is though, my 30 days is almost up and I don't know if I can hold onto the phone in hopes of "potential".
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I'm in the same boat. In terms of hardware, this phone is a beast. I can even live with the screen quality and the terrible camera. But software side, I am really hoping to see a unlocked bootloader or I might be very tempted to take this phone back...
bleuiko said:
I'm in the same boat. In terms of hardware, this phone is a beast. I can even live with the screen quality and the terrible camera. But software side, I am really hoping to see a unlocked bootloader or I might be very tempted to take this phone back...
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Yeah, I'm high up on the fence because if I do return it I am going to switch carriers as well.
I'm really enjoying it... coming from a Tilt2, it's a major upgrade. Straight out of the box, it's very enjoyable... I'm not dissapointed at all.. it's only going to get better once they get this beast unleashed
Camera is quick and decent.
GPS is amazingly fast...
Browser is snappy and loads everything great
WiFi is a little weak...
and I actually like the screen.. It's not best screen ever made, but it's actually a very nice display.
I was getting terrible battery life, but somehow a hard-reset solved that problem, and i'm able to get more than a day of heavy use no problem.
Just picked up a second one for the wife (coming from an iphone 3g) and she's really enjoying it a lot as well
I like the Atrix. I upgraded from an iPhone 3G. I realize that it's not the best it can be as far as unlocking right now, but it is better than what I had. I only wish I could afford the webtop dock right now for times I'm on the road. Nothing a netbook couldn't fix though.
as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
This phone is miles better than the aria i had before it, and it will only get better as more things are updated to take advantage of the tegra 2 platform. Won't matter if this phone gets cracked or not, it will get better and better for a while either way.
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as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
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Wow... 39 hours. I get about 17 hours of use from it, which is much better than any other smartphones I've ever used so I'm happy... but I can't imagine hitting that number. I do have bluetooth and wifi on all the time.
I like my Atrix, the only problems i see is that the webtop is very limited, but some people over the developer section are working on that, and also the speeds which since T-Mobile was bought it definitely will become faster alongside with HSPA+ and LTE being utilized together. It has lots of potential to run REALLY great, but this is the first phone of its kind, it'll always have problems in the beginning.
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Wow... 39 hours. I get about 17 hours of use from it, which is much better than any other smartphones I've ever used so I'm happy... but I can't imagine hitting that number. I do have bluetooth and wifi on all the time.
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and that cuts the battery way down. powering all the radios is a large power drain. I never turn on a radio i don't need, so 90% of the time wifi, bluetooth, gps, etc are off. Mobile data is always on, and i i never try and tell it to revert to 2g.
cegna09 said:
as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
This phone is miles better than the aria i had before it, and it will only get better as more things are updated to take advantage of the tegra 2 platform. Won't matter if this phone gets cracked or not, it will get better and better for a while either way.
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see... i wish i had that same kind of success.
It's always hard to determine battery life from these posts because people's definition of "moderate" and "heavy" usage differ a lot. This is why it would be nice if the phone had gingerbread where the battery plot actually shows the wake time, wifi time, signal strenth, display on, etc. so people could quote their results rather than just guestimating. The best way to tell is really just display on time since that's pretty much the biggest draw.
Based on my limited testing I can get about 4-5 hours of display on time with auto brightness. The absolute best I could squeeze out of my nexus S is almost 4 hours which is to be expected since it's 1930mah vs. 1500mah. I MIGHT do some battery drain tests before I return the Atrix but I'm not sure... those take time. I know the Nexus S can go about 7-8 hours playing a video while in airplane mode so I'm wondering what the Atrix could achieve.
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It's always hard to determine battery life from these posts because people's definition of "moderate" and "heavy" usage differ a lot. This is why it would be nice if the phone had gingerbread where the battery plot actually shows the wake time, wifi time, signal strenth, display on, etc. so people could quote their results rather than just guestimating. The best way to tell is really just display on time since that's pretty much the biggest draw.
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We do have all those indicators in the Battery manager. I average about 13-14 hours with 3-4 hours of display, unless i'm doing something like streaming March Madness via flash, then it drops to like 7 hours with 2-3 hours of display.
Love it.
Honestly out of all the phones i've had this is the main one.
Screen great looking.
Speed is unreal and I mean like lightening fast :O
The games and apps that work just look and run crazy good!
Camera imo is great not going to replace main cameras but great for stills and videos, would be nice to see the 1080p recording update out soon though
Motoblur stuff which I like :O lol can be frozen and a custom launcher introduced without you even thinking about the motoblur lag.
Battery life is very good I can get a whole day at college 8:30 until 6 heavy usage and still get home with 30-40% left which is great to me
Fingerprint reader is also a great little feature that gets yours friends a little jealous lol
Only thing I don't like is the battery door creaks, I know its nothing major but its just a little annoyance other than that the build quality is great very sleek device!
I'm really bored with my Atrix there's no developement community. You can't do **** with a locked bootloader. Even the iphone is more open than this pos. It's going back tommorrow **** motorola.
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@ Exador... Amen brother!!!!
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I'm a firm believer in the "garbage in, garbage out" philosophy. Yes this phone has one or two legitimate issues (touch screen acting up after x seconds continuous touch), but for the most part is good. How many apps do you have installed? How many do you actually use? Every month i clean out my phone of apps that haven't been used in a couple weeks. I usually see a little bump in battery life each time since less apps are itching to use the data connection or other resources.
how many widgets are you running? I don't really notice it on the Atrix, but on my aria when i had 5 home screens riddled with widgets, it was laggy and slow. Drop it down to 2 screens with a simple setup, and it was snappy.
My point is, most of the time, little issues are probably user generated. I see it all the time with computers. But it's way easier to blame the hardware and software than look for the cause of your problem. again, i'm not down playing the few legitimate issues.
next time i pull a 39hour run i'll post specifics of what i was using it for in the battery thread.
I'm very happy with mine. I don't have much of a desire to put a custom ROM on, so the locked bootloader isn't an issue. The speed of this device is just levels beyond my Nexus One. I can't remember a time so far where I've had any lag. Plus, I don't have to worry about app space the way I did with the N1.
I dunno, must just be me but I completely love this phone.
I'm going to be soon getting either the 4g FFC or the revision 2 FFC. Have not completely decided yet. ( I already have v1 of the FFC and I'm fine with how it acts... I don't often take pictures in the dark, ha.)
With the v1 FFC and bionix 1.3.1 with overstock. The phone is very responsive.. I do get a slight lag in between downloading and installing stages of getting apps, but that's far from the end of the world for me.
Besides that this phone is honestly perfect! I don't know what more I could want from a phone, haha.
I have the exact same setup you do, and the exact same experience. Aside from the GPS hiccups, this is quite possibly the best phone I've used. SAMoled is simply amazing and will keep me from switching phones when all the dual-cores come out. Plus, I know it's a small difference, but 4.3" just seems too big. My buddy has a droid x, and that thing is a monster!
I love my vibrant had it since release....
Waiting for the S2, other than that this phone has been GREAT !!
I love my phone. It really is wonderful.
samsung can eat a ____.
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This is definitely a great phone with tons of possibilities.
A solid gps and a flash for the camera
I never have gps problems, lag, or any of the usual things people complain about. I do not feel it's cheaply made, and it's a perfect size in an otterbox.
The only areas of improvement I can see are an FFC (which can be added), 4G capabilities, camera flash, and tweaking it more. A phone can never be too fast or too good on battery life.
The biggest thing that needs improving is the speed at getting updates and source from Samsung.
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I have the exact same setup you do, and the exact same experience. Aside from the GPS hiccups, this is quite possibly the best phone I've used. SAMoled is simply amazing and will keep me from switching phones when all the dual-cores come out. Plus, I know it's a small difference, but 4.3" just seems too big. My buddy has a droid x, and that thing is a monster!
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i love does big things bro but i love my vibrant
I want mine to do my chores
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A solid gps and a flash for the camera
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The GPS deal , well... that's hit or miss it seems. Mine on the other hand works perfect and has worked fine since I got it right after release.
Flash... well ya knew it didn't have flash when you went to get it, so... yeah.
I love this phone. It's tough , even though it feels light and wimpy. It's super fast, the screen is beautiful and there's so many ROMs and mods to customize it the way you like it that I'm never bored with it.
Had a galaxy s 4G, it was a disappointment but I miss the ffc!
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I just wish the GPS would lock in a little quicker and that the battery was a little better.
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I never have gps problems, lag, or any of the usual things people complain about. I do not feel it's cheaply made, and it's a perfect size in an otterbox.
The only areas of improvement I can see are an FFC (which can be added), 4G capabilities, camera flash, and tweaking it more. A phone can never be too fast or too good on battery life.
The biggest thing that needs improving is the speed at getting updates and source from Samsung.
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I never understood the cheap feeling people got from it either, and I had a hd2 that is supposed to be the best build quality in a phone, my vibrant may not be that solid, but hell, its solid....
It's plastic and yea it feels cheap. The HD2 is in another dimension. It does feel cheap, but that's nothing a Body Glove or Otterbox case can't fix trivially.
The battery and GPS is a bigger issue, though... Both of those are terrible. If I take my Vibrant off the charger and never use it, 30% of the time the phone will drain to nothing in 4 hours. I have no clue how it's doing it, why it's doing it. The battery is good (I've tried a brand new Stock Samsung OEM battery replacement) and it still happens. It has the most Volatile Battery Life I've ever experienced in a Mobile Phone, or any mobile device, ever...
A couple months ago I went to Houston for a couple days and forgot to take my Wall Charger... I ended up having to plug my phone into the Samsung HDTV in the room becasue the battery was dying all over the place. I had to stand there tethered to a television just to use my phone. Wanted to talk? Go to the TV. Check your Twitter/Email? You know where to go...
Even on the car charger, the phone would barely charge. I was basically < 50% charge 90% of the time I was there, and even had to turn my phone off for like 3-4 hours when I was getting stuff done to make sure it didn't die on me.
That is something I had never experienced using my Windows Mobile (6.5) devices or Aria, and the HD7 doesn't do this. The Blackberry Bold I tried out for a couple weeks could go 2-3 days with extremely heavy usage on one charge, and charged fast as ****... Even on a Car Charger while being used.
The GPS in the Vibrant was constantly putting me on the wrong road, or on the service road when I was on the other side of the Interstate. At intersections, the GPS would bug out and it would take it upwards of 1-2 minutes to straighten itself out.
Back to the battery. I think the cell radio is killing it. When the phone is on WiFi, it can work about 18-24 hours before it you have to turn it off, because it's not using the cell radio for anything. So, I think a lot of people who say their battery is so good are probably on WiFi most of the time, and likely don't make that many phone calls.
As far as updates are concerned, KA6 was a hail mary and I think Samsung would like to not have this phone even be mentioned in headlines, since those same articles will just remind potential buyers of their other phones just how terrible their Android support/updating actually is. They want to move on. They even bothered to miff up the Software on their WP7 devices. If Samsung touches any software, they will make sure they find a way to miff it up.
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It's plastic and yea it feels cheap. The HD2 is in another dimension. It does feel cheap, but that's nothing a Body Glove or Otterbox case can't fix trivially.
The battery and GPS is a bigger issue, though... Both of those are terrible. If I take my Vibrant off the charger and never use it, 30% of the time the phone will drain to nothing in 4 hours. I have no clue how it's doing it, why it's doing it. The battery is good (I've tried a brand new Stock Samsung OEM battery replacement) and it still happens. It has the most Volatile Battery Life I've ever experienced in a Mobile Phone, or any mobile device, ever...
A couple months ago I went to Houston for a couple days and forgot to take my Wall Charger... I ended up having to plug my phone into the Samsung HDTV in the room becasue the battery was dying all over the place. I had to stand there tethered to a television just to use my phone. Wanted to talk? Go to the TV. Check your Twitter/Email? You know where to go...
Even on the car charger, the phone would barely charge. I was basically < 50% charge 90% of the time I was there, and even had to turn my phone off for like 3-4 hours when I was getting stuff done to make sure it didn't die on me.
That is something I had never experienced using my Windows Mobile (6.5) devices or Aria, and the HD7 doesn't do this. The Blackberry Bold I tried out for a couple weeks could go 2-3 days with extremely heavy usage on one charge, and charged fast as ****... Even on a Car Charger while being used.
The GPS in the Vibrant was constantly putting me on the wrong road, or on the service road when I was on the other side of the Interstate. At intersections, the GPS would bug out and it would take it upwards of 1-2 minutes to straighten itself out.
Back to the battery. I think the cell radio is killing it. When the phone is on WiFi, it can work about 18-24 hours before it you have to turn it off, because it's not using the cell radio for anything. So, I think a lot of people who say their battery is so good are probably on WiFi most of the time, and likely don't make that many phone calls.
As far as updates are concerned, KA6 was a hail mary and I think Samsung would like to not have this phone even be mentioned in headlines, since those same articles will just remind potential buyers of their other phones just how terrible their Android support/updating actually is. They want to move on. They even bothered to miff up the Software on their WP7 devices. If Samsung touches any software, they will make sure they find a way to miff it up.
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One quick remark on what you said regarding Cell drainage vs. Wifi, that's just not true. At least in my case it isn't.
Today for example I took my phone off the charger about 8 a.m and by the time I walked out of uni 8 hours later I had 78% left. All this while making about a total of 70 minutes of calls not to mention a couple of texts.
Now when I reached home I turned on my wifi and started doing my net business, that got me to 15% in less than 4 hours. Without doing any calls/texts in the process.
What more could I want in a phone?
How about no interface or response lag? I'm running Bionix V 1.3.1 with Voodoo lagfix enable, and there's still some lag in the response.
I'd also like the GPS to work every time with accuracy at least matching my 2+ year old G1.
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
xtone said:
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
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This made me lol so a thanks hit...
Also 3g uses more battery than being on wifi to the person talking about wifi draining their ****....
I have excellent battery life...
xtone said:
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
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haha I wanted to say this but I might get flame. lol
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Many people have had this issue and i am going to put down the facts here.
The GMS radio in the x10 is not.. great.
It suffers in low signal area's lets say 1 to 2 bars of signal or lets say about -80 to -108dB and lower.
It requires alot more juice from the battery and that causes overheating then after a time chipset death.
This is all based on tests done at home.. i contacted my provider and had a petition signed, they fixed the tower and the issue's with my phone's heat are gone!
Now that i have full signal strength the device has no heat or battery issue's at home.
The other problem you can face is only if you flash firmware with a baseband or a separate baseband.
Many times the baseband may not settle correctly.. this will lead to severe heat, restarts, laggs or even chipset death.
Sometimes the baseband will not even be compatible.
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the third problem that i am adding here and almost forgot about...
Charging while under any or even both of these conditions... can be catastrophic.
As sometimes the modem uses so much energy while the INTERNET is in usage that it cannot hold the charge.
There by cuasing major heat.. and you can guess where that will end up.
Switching to 2G instead of 3G can help ALOT, but in some cases this will end badly
As you will get very slow speeds and that causes downloads to be pathetic slow
and even more prone to bad downloads due to the bad signal quality.
The other case may be that you have the dreaded chipset of DEATH if you get above 45*C it's a good chance you have this horrid chipset.
Have it replaced by SE.
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All of my theories have been properly tested and recreated and fixed to ensure that this info is correct.
Before you call me insane or retarded... test it first!!!
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/130419#130419 < my theory proven.
Nice find there!
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shahkam said:
Nice find there!
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I spent alot of time on this.. one motherboard and a battery later i found the culprits.
OmegaRED^ said:
Many people have had this issue and i am going to put down the facts here.
The GMS radio in the x10 is not.. great.
It suffers in low signal area's lets say 1 to 2 bars of signal or lets say about -80 to -108dB and lower.
It requires alot more juice from the battery and that causes overheating then after a time chipset death.
This is all based on tests done at home.. i contacted my provider and had a petition signed, they fixed the tower and the issue's with my phone's heat are gone!
Now that i have full signal strength the device has no heat or battery issue's at home.
The other problem you can face is only if you flash firmware with a baseband or a separate baseband.
Many times the baseband may not settle correctly.. this will lead to severe heat, restarts, laggs or even chipset death.
All of my theories have been properly tested and recreated and fixed to ensure that this info is correct.
Before you call me insane or retarded... test it first!!!
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You may very well be right on the issue of the GSM radio but..... Some earlier X10's were a lot more susceptible to this issue. My first X10 burned out in about 3 months and ran warm all the time, but in standby the replacement rarely gets warm unless I'm in a fringe area that only has edge coverage.
Anyway you don't know what a hot phone is until you've used the HTC Dream. At times you can almost cook eggs on it
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You may very well be right on the issue of the GSM radio but..... Some earlier X10's were a lot more susceptible to this issue. My first X10 burned out in about 3 months and ran warm all the time, but in standby the replacement rarely gets warm unless I'm in a fringe area that only has edge coverage.
Anyway you don't know what a hot phone is until you've used the HTC Dream. At times you can almost cook eggs on it
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So true, but i have been seeing more and more reports of this issue.
And would like to simply give a solid answer to this.
This was not meant as a complaint, but more as a answer so as to end the scourge of that question once and for all.
A overheat that ends in a damaged device = a serious issue.
No worries here
I bought my x10 in march 2010, about a week or 2 after it become available in my country. And I must say that I never had any problems with it, except what all experienced with 1.6 version (slow, laggy, few small bugs).
Overheating was not an issue, even when I upgraded to 2.1 and recently to TripNMiUI (awesome rom btw). Only time I had problems was when I searched for the right rom flashed the wrong file and almost messed up my device.
The battery was above 40°C and went to 10% in like 3 hours Now about that GMS thing... at work I have almost all the time 2 bars of signal (see attachment, was at work from 5am to 2pm) the red bar is 1, orange 2, yellow 3....
and blue lines you see is when its scanning. Sometimes I lose signal for maybe 1 or 2 hours (and that sux) But I cant show you phone temp (dont know how), but it is almost never above 30°C , except when I play games and I do quite a lot
So after more than a year I still have original battery and lasts for 3 days tops, but usually its around day and a half. And I love my X10
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I bought my x10 in march 2010, about a week or 2 after it become available in my country. And I must say that I never had any problems with it, except what all experienced with 1.6 version (slow, laggy, few small bugs).
Overheating was not an issue, even when I upgraded to 2.1 and recently to TripNMiUI (awesome rom btw). Only time I had problems was when I searched for the right rom flashed the wrong file and almost messed up my device.
The battery was above 40°C and went to 10% in like 3 hours Now about that GMS thing... at work I have almost all the time 2 bars of signal (see attachment, was at work from 5am to 2pm) the red bar is 1, orange 2, yellow 3....
and blue lines you see is when its scanning. Sometimes I lose signal for maybe 1 or 2 hours (and that sux) But I cant show you phone temp (dont know how), but it is almost never above 30°C , except when I play games and I do quite a lot
So after more than a year I still have original battery and lasts for 3 days tops, but usually its around day and a half. And I love my X10
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It depends.. the heat is mostly created from using the GSM radio in these conditions. such as online usage.
Games are not the problem unless they make constant heavy use of the internet.
Also what was the ambient temperature when you are testing?
Well I do play cestos, and was playing pocket legends, both require constant internet connection. But the temperature still didn't go above 35 (was quite warm). You mean rom testing? I mostly try out the nearly finished roms, so never had any issues with rom functionality or temperature. Except when I tried z's alpha kernel. Then it was around 33-38°C. Now that I think about it when I'm flashing new rom it always goes above 30, but after some time drops down.
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Well I do play cestos, and was playing pocket legends, both require constant internet connection. But the temperature still didn't go above 35 (was quite warm). You mean rom testing? I mostly try out the nearly finished roms, so never had any issues with rom functionality or temperature. Except when I tried z's alpha kernel.
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Dude.. i'm taking about the stock 2.1 rom.
WB CM 3.16 v6 did me help alot.
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Now that I think about it when I'm flashing new rom it always goes above 30, but after some time drops down.
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Yeah thats the BB settling in nicely.. sometimes a few restarts or even the "white led of WTF crash" seems to sort it out.
averagely my phone will idle at 30 to 35*C but in usage it can climb above 40*c often.
My old motherboard reached a record High of 57*C just playing "robo defence" or even Hawx...
But here's one more test for you.
Once you need to charge plug it in and start using the internet for about 20 mins in a low signal area and watch that battery drain and the heat go thru the roof.
I never had this issue and i only get 1 to 2 bars only and it never went above 34 which is cool. Dunno about u guys but the only way i can overheat the phone is when playing heavy gunner and listening to music at the same time and the battery heat reaches 38 and it still works 100% with no trouble.
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viper619 said:
I never had this issue and i only get 1 to 2 bars only and it never went above 34 which is cool. Dunno about u guys but the only way i can overheat the phone is when playing heavy gunner and listening to music at the same time and the battery heat reaches 38 and it still works 100% with no trouble.
VIPER
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Read it properly... i made a few edits just now to the first post.
These days on WB's rom.. i can play quake 2 death match online "with stencil shadows enabled" while listening to dimmu borgir" with no issue's..
but if i was on stock 2.1 or even the old motherboard.. forget about it.
And trust me many do have this issue.
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Before you call me insane or retarded... test it first!!!
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Lol u just reminded me of the good old days when our old physics teacher used to call us " u buys are mentaly retarded, u think urself superman to get electrified, albert eineshtein was an idiot, i'm better than him, u listen to me not to his equations, if not u fail, i know dark matter very well better than nasa, u mentaly retarded creatures, u fools, IDIOTS."
And about the dark matter thingy, he has a very dark black skin so i guess he knows dark matter better.
Am not a discriminant, i'm too slightly black
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My phone overheated only once when i baught it and the temp reached 47. But i had to send it to repairs for the broken usb connecter, maybe they fixed that issue.
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viper619 said:
Lol u just reminded me of the good old days when our old physics teacher used to call us " u buys are mentaly retarded, u think urself superman to get electrified, albert eineshtein was an idiot, i'm better than him, u listen to me not to his equations, if not u fail, i know dark matter very well better than nasa, u mentaly retarded creatures, u fools, IDIOTS."
And about the dark matter thingy, he has a very dark black skin so i know he knows dark matter better.
Am not a discriminant, i'm too slightly black
VIPER
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LMAO.. truly a wise and insane man.. ^_^
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Dude.. i'm taking about the stock 2.1 rom.
WB CM 3.16 v6 did me help alot.
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and how many ppl are still running stock 2.1? Everyone who is smart enough will go for custom roms/mods. they are all much better than stock no disrespect, just sayin
OmegaRED^ said:
The GMS radio in the x10 is not.. great.
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That's the same conclusion I came to.
When I was using the internet, my battery temp shot up and the phone would restart at 41-42 degrees (stock 1.6)
I got the motherboard replaced under warranty and I've never had a problem with it since
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and how many ppl are still running stock 2.1? Everyone who is smart enough will go for custom roms/mods. they are all much better than stock no disrespect, just sayin
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But it still has a effect on the phone.
But how many of us still flash roms or basebands?
Some versions of the board are way more unstable.. to be honest you have the most stable x10 i have seen out of the 13 i have seen here around me.
Also.. did you do the charging stress test?
It's more than just a single simple issue such as heat, it effects the battery life. "when the radio has to boost the signal"
And to be honest out of all of my phone this is the only one that loves to often drop my calls in bad conditions.
noob question coming: how do u do charging stress test? is this something like you test how long the battery lasts?
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noob question coming: how do u do charging stress test? is this something like you test how long the battery lasts?
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I posted it earlier.. lol. no problem.
Just go to a area with bad signal "low as in 1 to 2 bars", wait till the battery is getting low.
Start charging it and then use the "market or anything that constantly uses the radio and cpu" constantly for about 20mins while charging.
Watch the heat go up and the battery go down.
Also please note that if the ambient heat is very low then your phone should be reading much lower..
Not all of us get snow on this planet, some of us get heat stroke in the winter.
will try at work tomorrow, since i always get bad signal there.