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Hi all. Bear with me as I'm new to the dev community for the Android OS.
Basically the story so far is I've got a Droid Eris. I saw that there is a cable available called the Act100 Video Cable by HTC. This cable plugs into the mini usb port of the phone and outputs a composite video and left and right audio signal, yellow red white cables. I have a TV in my car that accepts composite input.
Through some research I've found that the Eris does not support this video out function. A supported phone for example is listed as the HTC Touch Pro 2 on sites where you can buy the cable. I've read in forums where people have mailed HTC about eris video out compatibility and HTC said that it isn't in the software by default but to try and search for an app that enables it. Therefore, the hardware supports it but it simply isn't an option in the software. So I want to make an app that simply enables the feature on the Droid Eris.
This is where my questions start. I've had only limited C++ programming experience so I'm prepared for any learning curve. How difficult do you think it would be to make an app like this? I know of some begginer guides but beyond that where should I begin?
How do you find out that the hardware does, in fact, support this? I would think if this were possible it would have been made by now, but I'd love to be wrong.
I'm not 100% sure the hardware supports it. I just made a guess because in the post I read HTC support tells the guy to look for an app that enables it becuase it isn't in the software by default. It sounds like it might just have to be coded in. At leat I'm really hoping it can be.
Sounds fishy to me. Every portable device I've ever used with a TV out function required a hardware decoder specifically for a TV. This can be done in software I'm sure but the other issue I find is pushing it out over the USB jack. Analog video source pushed out through a USB chipset doesn't sound like it can be done. I'm not all that knowledgeable about the Eris' hardware specifics so don't quote me.
As far as a pure software app that will do it, that raises red flags as well. As far as I know apps on a stock ROM run in a Dalvik VM I believe. They're separated from the system itself, and it's the system that controls the hardware. It might be able to be done but I doubt it.
The Touch Pro 2 might have the ability to do it maybe through hardware, but as far as I know the Eris doesn't have any of that.
I'll let somebody with more hardware knowledge come in.
Thanks for the ideas so far. Well since the touch pro 2 can output video over usb it's obviously possible to push the signal over any other USB. It would just be a matter of, as you said, the Eris having the hardware. I guess I was under the impression that the hardwares were very similar. I'm really trying to investigate this as much as possible and no one even answered me on other forums. Please keep this thread alive!
I don't know for sure if this can work, but here are my thoughts. PDANet sends data over the USB port to enable wired tethering, so an app can send data over the USB port.
So since we know we can send/receive data over the USB port, we must address the issue of video output. I don't know if this will be easy because of the way USB->Composite converters probably work (read output of the USB pins into each of the Red, White, Yellow pins). What would potentially make this difficult would be that with Dalvik I don't know if we can control what pins we are outputting our data to.
If someone wants to post more information on how the video cable works it would be easier to determine if it is possible.
Check this out. The Droid Incredible does it over microUSB. I wonder if all we need is the right cable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyt463AoOA
I would love to see you make an app for this if its possible. Is there an option on stock incredible for this or is it an app?
Nindoja: Yea I agree pin control is probably going to be important for something like this. I would prefer not to, but would rooting allow us to get around the Dalvik restriction you mentioned if it ends up being a problem?
ihtfp69 and conap: I did see that the incredible does the tv out over usb. I'm not sure wether it is an option or an app though... I also read that the incredible's files were leaked, including one called tvout.apk. I think I read that just trying to install it on the eris doesn't work but I'm really not sure. In the least having that file to work with might be a great start.
I haven't been able to find that file yet unfortunately. How similar are the Incredible and Eris hardware? If they are similar it could be good news for a software solution.
Thanks for the replys so far! Any other thoughts?
Has there been any development on this?
nope, none public at least
Bumpity bump bump. this needs to happen!
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Theoretically couldnt One figure out what app and supporting files the incredible uses and then Just Port those files to the eris. Just like people have done with the gallery Candy genie apps?
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Izeltokatl said:
Theoretically couldnt One figure out what app and supporting files the incredible uses and then Just Port those files to the eris. Just like people have done with the gallery Candy genie apps?
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Did you read the thread at all? The problem isn't only software.... the apps the incredible (and other phones that have video out) use make extensive use of dedicated hardware to output the video stream.
We don't have that on the eris, so that would be really hard, and very slow, to emulate in software. That's assuming it could even be done over our USB port.
shouldnt be that hard, the same thing has been done for PSP...although its USB video out to PC.
its probably a step in the correct direction.
goto youtube.com and search for 'remotejoylite' one word, should be second video down, shows it in action via usb cable.
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That's assuming it could even be done over our USB port.
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Am I missing something, but haven;t at least three comments made before this one confirmed, several phones have video out, via USB. I think the assuming iot is possible part is over. The real question that no one has answered is if the Eris has the hardware to support this option. I don't have an answer, but wanted to point out that the possibility of video over USB has been answered.
If you look on Google you can find the tvout.apk and tvout.odex from the Incredible dump. Might be able to do something with it.
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Here is TVout.apk and TVout.odex
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=319214&d=1272756479
I think with the right cable and the right software we can get this to work.
We might also need system/lib/libTVOUT.so
From what I can tell, on a stock ROM the TV out functionality is provided by system/app/TVOUT.apk and a system/lib/libTVOUT.so
here is a link to a forum about the MyTouch and the tvout.apk and cable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=454333
mjgdroid said:
Here is TVout.apk and TVout.odex
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=319214&d=1272756479
I think with the right cable and the right software we can get this to work.
We might also need system/lib/libTVOUT.so
From what I can tell, on a stock ROM the TV out functionality is provided by system/app/TVOUT.apk and a system/lib/libTVOUT.so
here is a link to a forum about the MyTouch and the tvout.apk and cable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=454333
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Question.
Has anyone seen this work?
How do you make it work?
Do you select it from the launcher?
Is it in settings?
Because we would have to find a work around if it is.
Or just add it to the menu.
Ha.
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the Incredible dump.
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The Droid Incredible was recently rooted. The link to the method is here:
http://www.unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php?id=public:adb_in_recovery
Anybody want to take a look and see if it has potential to be tailored to the Eris to grant root access to leakers? I don't have any vested interest in it myself, but I thought it might help.
EDIT: I'm not suggesting anybody try this in its current state. A word for non-devs: don't go bricking your phone.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure people were on this as soon as the news broke. Might be a hint in there somewhere. Another thing I was thinking about was the RUU that came out to flash the OTA and if they could be set up like the hardSPL(?) prompt that was used when flashing HTC Windows Mobile phones. I never got too deep into creating roms besides extracting builds and researching.
Folks the jcase will be working on this I believe, there is mention of this in the leak root thread. If this exploit will work then he and his team or whom ever will surely get it to
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We have been trying multiple ways of getting this to work, so far, we are unsuccessful.
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We have been trying multiple ways of getting this to work, so far, we are unsuccessful.
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There is video posted on YouTube on gaining root to the Incredible, Dev's have probalby seen it, for everyone else here:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEBrEp8q0f4
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDGhV1MwODk
It's very interesting to watch
I can't seem to get adb to run while in recovery. I'm guessing it doesn't start for the split second like the incredible does
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Run down,
Looks like the race condition is here, but there is a variable we don't know. Incredible ppl are randomly hitting root, and believe it may have to do with the sdcard they are using.
justin
Thanks for the update on your trials, good to know its there. Good luck. I'm going to try some more myself
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Run down,
Looks like the race condition is here, but there is a variable we don't know. ...
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Can you elaborate? Do you mean it has been confirmed that ADB is started while booted into recovery on an Eris?
If anyone is using a 3rd party sd card made by adata, please get in contact with the eris devs.
Run down,
Looks like the race condition is here, but there is a variable we don't know. ...
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Can you elaborate? Do you mean it has been confirmed that ADB is started while booted into recovery on an Eris?
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I believe that it does mean exactly that, I may very well be wrong but what else would he mean
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jcase is being very careful with what he says. If he or another "dev" say too much, people go overboard in anticipation.
Your right and I am no dev. Even if the adb will open in recovery doesn't mean we'll surely have root so people shouldn't blow this up and please don't spam the boards with questions of whether its been rooted or not. Leave the devs be so they can do their thing if root happens they will let us know
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i don't really no anything about any of this root stuff but i no i want it cus i can't stand leak 3 so if anybody needs me to test just send me a PM with instructions and i'll do it. I'm willing to pretty much try anything.
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If anyone is using a 3rd party sd card made by adata, please get in contact with the eris devs.
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Is adata the only 3rd party brand you are looking for?
I know I have a couple of different 3rd party brand cards. I will look for an adata, but may have others to try as well if needed. I know I have a couple of Dane Electronics cards. I will see what I can dig up when I get home after work.
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Is adata the only 3rd party brand you are looking for?
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I'll venture out on a limb and say "no". Did something happen for someone using an Adata brand card ? Hmmm... Also, given today's production setups, an Adata SD card may be identical to a brand "x" card, a brand "y" card, and a brand "z" card. Just different names printed on them.
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I believe that it does mean exactly that, I may very well be wrong but what else would he mean
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As i said to Acidbath back before the rooted ROM was leaked, keeping people in the dark is not productive and adds nothing to the effort.
A simple yes or no would be more then sufficient.
The questions will come regardless of any posts or non posts on the subject.
Regards
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I'll venture out on a limb and say "no". Did something happen for someone using an Adata brand card ? Hmmm... Also, given today's production setups, an Adata SD card may be identical to a brand "x" card, a brand "y" card, and a brand "z" card. Just different names printed on them.
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I'd be more than willing to bet that whatever stock card the Eris has is identical to and Adata card. This might just be a coincidence with the Increds that have been rooted.
Not arguing that
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As in you agree or you dont?
The title says it all. I am just curious if this is possible or if the boards are different on the WiFi only model and the 3g model. I imagine if the boards are the same it should be as easy as installing the 3g module and flashing the ROM that supports 3g?
Thanks.
Not quite.
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I dont think its that easy. If it was people would have done it already
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I'm curious as to why you think that it is not possible? Is the tablet not a computer? It's hard for me to believe that they built a completely different board just for a 3g module. Obviously most people would find it easier to just by the 3g version in the first place but for the people who are adventurous I can't see why not. If you have the exact same chip and the 3g ROM, what would stop anyone? I'll research it and post back.
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I'm curious as to why you think that it is not possible? Is the tablet not a computer? It's hard for me to believe that they built a completely different board just for a 3g module. Obviously most people would find it easier to just by the 3g version in the first place but for the people who are adventurous I can't see why not. If you have the exact same chip and the 3g ROM, what would stop anyone? I'll research it and post back.
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I was under the impression that it was a different board.
Easier just to buy a separate 3g router, like the ZTC MF60 or a Huawei E586 both come in around the £65 mark.
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I was under the impression that it was a different board.
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I just reviewed a tear down but it is just the WiFi version. Currently searching for a n7 3g tear down so I can compare.
This is me talking out of my ass but I would say the issue is not so much about it being impossible but about not being worth the hassle specially there being a 3g option available and affordable. Not only you need the parts, tools and know how to do the modification, you probably would also need someone to whip out some software magic to get the tablet to recognize and use a modification an absolute minority will do.
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This is me talking out of my ass but I would say the issue is not so much about it being impossible but about not being worth the hassle specially there being a 3g option available and affordable. Not only you need the parts, tools and know how to do the modification, you probably would also need someone to whip out some software magic to get the tablet to recognize and use a modification an absolute minority will do.
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I see what you are saying. But there is a 3g ROM available for download that could be flashed. Also, taking a case off is not challenging. Here is the teardown.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+7+Teardown/9623/1
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I'm curious as to why you think that it is not possible? Is the tablet not a computer? It's hard for me to believe that they built a completely different board just for a 3g module. Obviously most people would find it easier to just by the 3g version in the first place but for the people who are adventurous I can't see why not. If you have the exact same chip and the 3g ROM, what would stop anyone? I'll research it and post back.
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Replacing components on a computer and replacing them on a mobile device are two vastly different things. The components aren't merely plug and play. They're precision soldered, which you can't do by hand.
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Replacing components on a computer and replacing them on a mobile device are two vastly different things. The components aren't merely plug and play. They're precision soldered, which you can't do by hand.
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It's a good thing I know a thing or 2 about precision
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It's a good thing I know a thing or 2 about precision
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Lol. Its precision well beyond the scope of what can be done by hand. A typical radio used by Qualcomm has 976 solder points in a 14mm square.
Of course, your basing everything on the assumption that, from day one, Asus had intended the N7 to be a cellular device.
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Lol. Its precision well beyond the scope of what can be done by hand. A typical radio used by Qualcomm has 976 solder points in a 14mm square.
Of course, your basing everything on the assumption that, from day one, Asus had intended the N7 to be a cellular device.
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I wouldn't doubt that Google had planned a 3g device. Its just a matter of whether or not it was taken into account during the design for the original N7 board.
So I just snagged a prototype/developer model Play that does have HDMI out on it and I'm wondering in advance what the best choice of bootloader and/or firmware to use for maximum performance and battery life without interfering with the HDMI out functionality.
I did my best to sort through the ten million "I wish my Play had HDMI out" threads and what I could glean from MAYBE legit prototype discussion threads sound like it probably has parts of its modem removed to make room for the HDMI (which is fine since I want it as a portable/dockable game device) and that battery life might have a problem, which I would guess is from constant signal search that can probably be disabled.
But does anyone here actually have one of these? I'd love to benefit from someone else's experience with them instead of having to make all the mistakes myself and figuring everything out the hard way!
Thanks!
Mind posting some photos?
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I actually -just- won an auction for one of these off of Ebay... So I like the OP want to know, what's the real story with these units? I know they were display units for the stores to show off but besides that I mean. Do they have functional cellular radios? Are they unlocked? If I do a system restore through the normal menus will it screw itself over and never be able to use the HDMI properly? Does plugging in the HDMI turn off the XP's screen or does it splits its horsepower between the two screens?
Couldn't pass up on buying one, seems like a piece of history. I will post pics when it arrives (like a week) if that interests anyone.
Seller posted: " This is a fully functional Sony Ericsson Xperia Play 4G R800AT - Prototype Build TP HDMI. This phone cannot be activated or used on ANY service. This is a prototype phone. Phone's hardware/software is fully functional."
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I actually -just- won an auction for one of these off of Ebay... So I like the OP want to know, what's the real story with these units? I know they were display units for the stores to show off but besides that I mean. Do they have functional cellular radios? Are they unlocked? If I do a system restore through the normal menus will it screw itself over and never be able to use the HDMI properly? Does plugging in the HDMI turn off the XP's screen or does it splits its horsepower between the two screens?
Couldn't pass up on buying one, seems like a piece of history. I will post pics when it arrives (like a week) if that interests anyone.
Seller posted: " This is a fully functional Sony Ericsson Xperia Play 4G R800AT - Prototype Build TP HDMI. This phone cannot be activated or used on ANY service. This is a prototype phone. Phone's hardware/software is fully functional."
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LoL yeah me too! I'm not at all surprised the guy who bought the other one also came here straight away with exactly the same questions as I have. There's still one left, if anybody wants it. We haven't received them yet but you can see the pictures the seller posted on eBay if you just search for "xperia play hdmi". I agree it would be nice to see the actual mainboard and once I give mine a complete function check I'll probably open it up and take some pictures.
I think that you have something different in your roms/kernels what let your Plays to use hdmi. So there is probably now roms or kernels u can use without loosing hdmi. Only root and mods
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I actually sold my Xperia PLAY about a month ago, sad to see it go but I moved on to a Nexus 5 in December and it took me all that time to let it go. Mine was not an HDMI model though, it was an early AT&T model without the branding.
For those curious I added the photos from my old prototype Xperia PLAY.
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So I just snagged a prototype/developer model Play that does have HDMI out on it and I'm wondering in advance what the best choice of bootloader and/or firmware to use for maximum performance and battery life without interfering with the HDMI out functionality.
I did my best to sort through the ten million "I wish my Play had HDMI out" threads and what I could glean from MAYBE legit prototype discussion threads sound like it probably has parts of its modem removed to make room for the HDMI (which is fine since I want it as a portable/dockable game device) and that battery life might have a problem, which I would guess is from constant signal search that can probably be disabled.
But does anyone here actually have one of these? I'd love to benefit from someone else's experience with them instead of having to make all the mistakes myself and figuring everything out the hard way!
Thanks!
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Would love to see some pics as well.
There are some ROMs out there that are meant for those without radios/cell planes, such as Xperia NXT Gaming, but your HDMI might not work properly.
There were stories a few years ago about someone who said they had a prototype unit, but not many actual cases. One guy even tried modding an HDMI in there.
This ^
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This ^
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Yep that's one of ours. I'm surprised we got them for the price we got them for, and that the seller described them to be "for parts" which would have been a shame. Unless I get some nasty surprises when it arrives I wouldn't sell it for twice the price I paid.
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Yep that's one of ours. I'm surprised we got them for the price we got them for, and that the seller described them to be "for parts" which would have been a shame. Unless I get some nasty surprises when it arrives I wouldn't sell it for twice the price I paid.
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It's definitely one of a kind
Leraeniesh said:
It's definitely one of a kind
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Three of a kind at best
Always wanted to get my hands on a prototype play with hdmi never could find one:/
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The phone showed up in immaculate condition, as if it had never been used. The HDMI port is very rough as you can see, with exposed circuit board. At this point I haven't been able to get the HDMI to work - I can't find any options for it in the settings and trying two different HDMI cables on two different displays hasn't worked yet. It seems the seller was correct when he said the phone couldn't connect to its network, as putting my valid ATT Sim card didn't get me signs of life. WiFi works fine. If anyone has any questions or any ideas on how to make the HDMI work, I'm all ears.
You can dial *#*#7378423#*#* goto service test - hdmi test. Few options there to test.
I'm also curious about this,such a presious gem you have
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You can dial *#*#7378423#*#* goto service test - hdmi test. Few options there to test.
I'm also curious about this,such a presious gem you have
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Thanks for the suggestion, I tried that and the video test did not display on the one monitor I have access to at this hour.
The HDMI status options all show as being "unknown"
The EDID reading option/ Edid Hex Data reads as "unknown"
Maybe someone who used this model before you flashed soft from other Play version and coz this u lost hdmi drivers in rom/kernel
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Always wanted to get my hands on a prototype play with hdmi never could find one:/
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Have you tried the other type instead of hdmi mhq or whatever it's called?
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Also did you try the hdmi option in service settings?
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yes
i had this phone with HDMI port 3 years age and used that for telecom exhibition
if you search on xda can find my post , i remember that i uploaded video and pictuesr both . but like always , some childish guys tried to say that was a lie ...
this is a real phone but is limited and just was for special offers to Sony-erricson like exhibitions .
I remember those posts everyone knew the phone was real lol they just didn't believe you had it because there were never any pics or vids that I remember anyway. But since you had the phone why aren't you telling him how to get hdmi working instead of sharing drama about how onetime childish people didn't believe you?
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Well I finally received my phone, postage due I might add. It is indeed in practically new condition and mine came with retail packaging including headphones and a little dock but no charger for whatever reason. The HDMI output seems to be a Mac style mini display port aka "Thunderbolt". I'm a real Apple hater so I had to order an adapter. When it arrives, I'll post my results. In the mean time I am willing to pull the back off and take some pictures of the board if people are interested in that sort of thing.
It reports
Baseband version 7X30A-AAABQMAZM-1290_21-42
Kernel version 2.6.32.9-perf
Build number 3.0.1.B.0.270
None of which seems out of the ordinary for an early build I guess... Anyway, I definitely won't update anything - other than rooting - until I get my display port adapter. Hopefully it will simply send an identical 854x480p signal out the port as it sends to the screen and it'll be as simple as that - one can only hope.
Just wondering if it can be done with android or damn small Linux or linspire, mini xp. If so how can we get this going thought it be a cool project. I can be a tester on this end we would be hacking the firmware as we would be to any cellphone any smart tv could connect to it. Right...
Ok Admin I guess no one likes my thread. Guess we can delete my post here. It was just a thought.
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Just wondering if it can be done with android or damn small Linux or linspire, mini xp. If so how can we get this going thought it be a cool project. I can be a tester on this end we would be hacking the firmware as we would be to any cellphone any smart tv could connect to it. Right...
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Having USB at back won't make your router hardware to support android or any damn Linux..[emoji44] [emoji14]
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Having USB at back won't make your router hardware to support android or any damn Linux..[emoji44] [emoji14]
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I never said just because it had a USB that is what's going to make it support any OS
It's all about modding and porting the firmware over to it that will support it, just as we are doing with these phones, tablets, ext.... Love how we just read the title and assume without reading the post inside before posting.
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I never said just because it had a USB that is what's going to make it support any OS
It's all about modding and porting the firmware over to it that will support it, just as we are doing with these phones, tablets, ext.... Love how we just read the title and assume without reading the post inside before posting.
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Yaa but it will need a high end CPU and Ram too support those OS'es..
Damn small linux can support a P1 PII processor which is only a 300dx - 900mhz processor which supports maybe up to 4mb - 1gig ram. Thats not really high end.
Its not gonna be a super pc.
Im sure something in the gingerbread can be modded to work on it.
verizons mobo specs processor and on board ram
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/actiontec/gt784wnv
For some reason it wont allow me to upload pictures it shows they been uploaded but when i save it here they disappear
damn small linux supports
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/all-in-one-usb-dsl/
If blood dawn was able to get a m890 samsung phone to get overclocked from an 890 mhz to 1400 than why not a 320mhz running some form of an os on a usb to boot from mount keyboard, mouse, hdrive to a usb hub. Its just a thought. Of course the hardest part would be a video output of some sort.
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verizons mobo specs processor and on board ram
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/actiontec/gt784wnv
For some reason it wont allow me to upload pictures it shows they been uploaded but when i save it here they disappear
damn small linux supports
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/all-in-one-usb-dsl/
If blood dawn was able to get a m890 samsung phone to get overclocked from an 890 mhz to 1400 than why not a 320mhz running some form of an os on a usb to boot from mount keyboard, mouse, hdrive to a usb hub. Its just a thought. Of course the hardest part would be a video output of some sort.
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I think it would Need a lot of time and professional skills to do this..
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I think thats the main reason why we have all the good peeps here at xda to help cut the time in half such as we have for the phones.
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I think thats the main reason why we have all the good peeps here at xda to help cut the time in half such as we have for the phones.
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Well bro it just makes me wonder as to why this was never done. Its all guess i will find out.
As im sure everyone laughed at web Tv back in the day. And long behold android comes along and makes it a hot seller things always has to start somewhere.
I will quote myself here on this 1 i know for fact what im after is not going to be a hot seller nor anything like that. However iam after is something that i would be able to modify and make work.
Im sure i will find use for it 1 day rather then a desk weight.
jaymzway said:
Well bro it just makes me wonder as to why this was never done. Its all guess i will find out.
As im sure everyone laughed at web Tv back in the day. And long behold android comes along and makes it a hot seller things always has to start somewhere.
I will quote myself here on this 1 i know for fact what im after is not going to be a hot seller nor anything like that. However iam after is something that i would be able to modify and make work.
Im sure i will find use for it 1 day rather then a desk weight.
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OMG THIS HAS TO BE THE BEST THREAD EVER, ON XDA!!?!
The OP brings up an excellent point, I too am scratching my head..?? (Not bcuz it itches)
Things that just make you go hmmm....???