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So anything new coming from SE for Xperia?

Any news about new updates/apps/panels etc ?
Things i would like to see:
1- specialized UI for Xperia made by SE. Most WM phones got one, why not Xperia?
Media Panel looks really nice, why not expand that into a complete UI skin ?
2- youtube panel
3- faster panel switching time. Currently its good and fast, but we still need it to be faster....
What do you guys think ?

very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
its a waste of time checking for new panels on the SE site.
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?

When a firmware update will be available?

ijob said:
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
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'coz panel are limited to xperia users as panels interface goues officially only on x1
and panels sucks imho

Well, the guy who bought the first fax machine was a complete idiot. Because there was no one to fax to.
Or remember at the end of the 90? When no one was willing to buy a DVD-Player because there were only around 5 Movies on DVD (which we already had on CD-i ;-) ) and the film studios didn't want to release DVDs because no one had got a DVD-Player?
With the panels and the Xperia X1 it's a bit similar - it will take some time, until creative and talented developers have got a X1 for their own.

im REALLY hoping for a YouTube panel.
any progammer with a lot of spare time??

i like panels there is a free sdk so everybody can make whatever they want
if they got the skills
of cause compared to iphone there is no central place to check and access them
but looking at the very closed way apple handle it and non disclosure agreement apple handle
it developers are not even allowed to talk with each-other
and they have to pay apple to get apps in the store
and apps can only be developed on a mac not a windows or linux computer
i pity iphone developers really
but granted it's bad news for other wm phone owners if programs are only made as panels and not as programs they can use

ithehappy said:
When a firmware update will be available?
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Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!

ijob said:
very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
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Believe me... Xperia is a far better device than the iPhone. iPhone was a breakthrough device, sure, but Xperia is more powerful. (I have been using an iPhone 1st Gen since it was released, and have literally not touched it since i got my Xperia)
Sure iPhone has a lot of stuff out for it... but you can't compare panels to iPhone's apps and games... panels are something different. If you wanna talk about games and apps, then more and more windows mobile apps and games are starting to support the Xperia/Touch-HD resolution and so we'll see more soon.

What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.

Well lets hope that sonyericsson does not treat this platform the same way they treated uiq.. Uiq is more or less dead today.. Had an m600 from se,uppgraded with their very latest (and last)firmware and still buggy like hell..

Hopefully we can get a firmware update with:
a) IE 6
b) faster panel switching
As far as the panels are concerned, SE is going to have to make XPERIA a brand before we start seeing more and more panels created. It's like the whole chicken and the egg thing, but the ball is really in SE's court.
I downloaded and looked at the SDK last night, looked alright. I bet developers are waiting to see how committed SE is to the XPERIA brand.

pf said:
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
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i'm agree with pf. i used htc phones like elf, nike, kaiser even the blackstone
but xperia was the fastest and stable, the keyboard responds fast not like the kaiser. when you use tf3d its responds faster than the diamond. there are little things but which phone is perfect??
i have no issue with the rom. i have everything original don't need to tweak anything causes only crashes.

johnchan78 said:
Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
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I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.

Golgo said:
I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
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Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.

Youtube
Here is the Youtube Panel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462595

rotsu said:
Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
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Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!

johnchan78 said:
Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
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Sorry, I have no information regarding what's actually in this update. I only know this because that's what SE support have told me in an email reply.
Truthfully though, I wouldn't put too much faith into what SE support says. I talked to them about another matter about a month ago adn was promised that a fw update would come out "any day now, at the latest two weeks before xmas"... nah, don't think so

Plain Android 2.1 on X10

Hi,
as I don't know anything about ROM-development I wanted to ask how difficult it would be to flash just a native Android 2.1 (Custom-) ROM on the phone. Is there a lot of modding to be done or is it no big thing.
UX sure is nice but I suppose plain 2.1 would be a lot faster. Maybe with Mediascape on top..
I don't want to wait until the official update in something like Q3..

I believe that you have to root the device first.
After that you can do almost everything you want with the monster named X10.

My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.

krabman said:
Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I am sure it will. It is very promising, unlike the X2....

krabman said:
My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.

PacoL250 said:
I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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i wonder how the nexus1 would look with it running

PacoL250 said:
I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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X10 will support multi-touch!

MCoimbra said:
X10 will support multi-touch!
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I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.

MCoimbra said:
X10 will support multi-touch!
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ukon said:
I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.
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Ahem...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653536

Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
Yesterday I sent an email to Sony Ericsson asking them to confirm specs features of their X10 handset. This is what I received.
Dear ******,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
I have complied some answers to the questions that you have raised, please see below:
#1 Does the device itself support multi touch? I am aware that the the
current OS Android 1.6 does not.
The handset has a capacitive screen that is capable of multi touch for features such as pinch zooming. This feature will be implemented by the upgrade to 2.1
#2 Does the device have an internal digital compass which would show
direction in google maps?
The X10 does have a magnetometer that acts as a digital compass.
#3 Will android 2.1+ be coming to the Xperia x10 in 2010?
The handset has been confirmed to be upgraded to 2.1, however there are no time scales for this, developement is currently working on implementing the Timescape/Mediascape to 2.1.
Should you have any further questions do not hesitate to ask.
Kind Regards,
Paul Conlan
Sony Ericsson Technical Support
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Has anyone tried to include the apks from the SDK addon in another ROM? Maybe I'm too naive, but it should be possible, shouldn't it? When you extract the system.img, there are several apks and most of them have the X10 icons.
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/c...263202126/102216-XPERIA-X10_SDK_Add-on_r1.zip
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 add-on for the Android SDK includes the complete Android system with additions customizing it for the X10 : Sony Ericsson splash screen; X10 colour backgrounds; A "skin" of the X10 which is a simple graphic of the front of the phone; A hardware.ini file to set the operating parameters for screen, camera, audio and so on.
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MCoimbra said:
Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
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W00T~!!! Sounds good.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.

orelsi said:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.
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TBH, it doesnt really bother me.
Cant say I miss pinch to zoom on my X1 when coming across from my iPod.
I just double tap

Engadget is just passing on the word from the official blog that everyone is already talking about, it isnt from another source.

sounds great!!

I would also like to have plain 2.1
Just waiting root access

When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.

uultramann said:
When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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Hope you are correct
But I dont think you are! SE were to cheap and they were not supposed to upgrade to 2.1, but then all their competitors did and they did not have a choice.
(I think)

uultramann said:
When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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It'll be sitting there forever then.
Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT on X10
Here's what he said:
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit​

Android 2.1 or 2.2 ? .... 3.0 ?

Yup Yup Yup, I've decided to make a poll on the most debated Topic on here, simply i want to know if all x10 owners here feel the same way like me or not..
And also to give any new comer an idea about the status of the community, so
what do you expect you will see first on your device ?
- Devs here cracking the bootloader and Flashing a 2.2 Rom and giving us freedom to the world of modding.
- SE release the 2.1 update at the end of the month - and don't argue about the date pleaseeeeeee, i am sick of it - followed by the 2.2 update early next year which is a lot of time, but we don't have a choice...
you can get an extra point if you explain your opinion bases
One More Thing :
For Gods Sake, don't talk about :
- screen color support
- multi***** - you can guess it -
- Any other debated topic that have been discussed Zillions of times here Cause it just makes me fall asleep while reading it..
happy voting
If you don't know what is the new features you will get by updating.. here are a few from what have been posted here :
Android 2.1 :
- 720p Video recording.
- Live Wallpaper.
- Language support ( Arabic, etc.. )
- BT voice dial ( added 2.1 ? )
- more applications supported in Market ( Twitter, etc.. )
Android 2.2 :
-Have a faster phone, with JIT.
-To have faster web browsing (V8 Javascript engine).
-To be able to run ALL apps.
-To move apps to SD, if needed, to free space.
-To not have pixelated icons and images in apps - I think that this is probably due to the new resources layout - drawable-hdpi, mdpi etc.
- Flash support.
- push support for applications.
- Hotspot Option.
- 5x faster performance.
ehm - about the ( 3.0 ) in the title, its just to make the thread intersting ( don't daydream about it )

Umm here is the problem.
What are the features that make it stand out from one tier to another.
It is basically a movement of numbers to me.
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
720 recording, live wallpaper....and what else?
Then from 2.1 to 2.2
....flash support....? what else?
then from 2.2 to the rumored 3.0
No idea, maybe it shoot beams of laser or maybe allow you to call UMA.
Seriously, there are just numbers that is moving around. Things that can live or live without it. I am perfectly fine with 1.6 right now. Sorry, i am a Window XP user with 3 other pc with vista and win 7.
I still like win xp more, it feel a lot solid.
What i do like is SE fix that problem with this "force close" on some random in-bound calls and remove that damn slider.

wrongfeifong said:
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
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More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -

mezo9090 said:
More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
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Also, with 2.1, the X10 can finally connect to WPA wifi networks

wrongfeifong said:
Umm here is the problem.
What are the features that make it stand out from one tier to another.
It is basically a movement of numbers to me.
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
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Fantastic to meet the only other person on the planet that isn't in a contest to get a higher number on the device
Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is .... fill in the blank.
I stopped the firmware upgrade at 024 since the phone is working "great" now so I don't see any value in an upgrade to 026 +. Unless something worth while is enhanced. Since there's no change log it's a little tough to see what the improvements are.
As to the Android 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 99.9 unless there is true improvement in valid areas I could really not care less. (my personal feeling)
The ONLY feature I'm missing right now is Bluetooth Voice Dial which should have been in the very first release of Android.
2x-5x faster .. don't care, it's already fast. 720p video .... not interested. Hotspot, nope.
If you want and/or need those features then upgrading is great but the X10 pretty much already does what I need with 1.6. (except BT VD)

OMG, i felt in love with your post... Rly, we used to the updates, no matter what it brings. Diffrence between updates isn't important, the number of it is the main benefit. I think 1,6 of Xperia is rly well rounded. There is few things which should be improved, but it's rather improvement than hugh change. Im sick of reading the next post about how SE rude is waiting with upgrade to 2.1... Im not againts this, but ppl try to let it all hang out, just take a rest of writing next threats, enjoy your great mobile phone.

after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0

The main benefit of 2.2 over 2.1 is the fact that it is at least twice as quick.. it's damned fast.. That would be my reason for wanting 2.2.. having said that though.. I'm not desperate for it.. my phone runs very well on 1.6..

I would love to just have 2.2.
3.0 . . I would never expect to see it unfortunately.

I really dont want 2.2 cooked firmware which has even 1 thing not working. I see a lot custom firmwares and there it says "...most of the stuff works" or "Camera not working" etc. I would NEVER put any ROM that is not 100% functional, I would rather use 2.1 that works than 3.0 that has no camera working. I really dont understand that, my last phone was Omnia HD and the man named HyperX is making custom firmwares for that phone, on his ROMs there can only be some extra stuff that are working and which are not in Samsung ROMS but everything else is working, and it is working better than Samsung original ROMs. So I really dont understand this Android ROMs, I always want clean ROM without some default apps and with everything else in it that makes the phone better, necer looking, who doesnt want it, he can easily remove it with Titanium Backup. That is my vision...

Nice to find other people happy not chasing the numbers ... I thinks Sony did a pretty fine job with 1.6. Looking forward to their version of 2.1, pretty sure they'll do a fine job of it too.
Only thing I'd slightly miffed about is no flash

I do like the Rachel UI, but an optimized FroYo ROM is better to me than official Eclair.

I don't care about upgrades at all. As already mentioned here I just want flash support and faster speed. The rest to me is pointless, sure 720p recording is cool but the more I think about how often I take videos the more I realize I probably wont take advantage of it. Remember when phones didn't have upgrades? When you bought the phone and used it for 1-2 years plus and it was the same thing the whole time? Those were the days...
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wrongfeifong said:
Then from 2.1 to 2.2
....flash support....? what else?
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Dalvik JIT and V8 engine..

mezo9090 said:
More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
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Exactly.

Zaslav said:
I don't care about upgrades at all. As already mentioned here I just want flash support and faster speed. The rest to me is pointless, sure 720p recording is cool but the more I think about how often I take videos the more I realize I probably wont take advantage of it. Remember when phones didn't have upgrades? When you bought the phone and used it for 1-2 years plus and it was the same thing the whole time? Those were the days...
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I probably won't use the 720p video recording, but probably the DLNA support.
Although, I know what you mean about the 1 to 2 years usage of phones, without an upgrade. To be honest, this only really happened with the first iPhone, and then in an even more accelerated way, with Android, and as more manufacturers are bringing out more Android phones, it means that they have to work harder to upgrade all of them at the speedy pace Google is moving at, and customize them too.
I just want the latest firmware (2.2+) to:
-Have a faster phone, with JIT.
-To have faster web browsing (V8 Javascript engine), and flash support, so that I don't have to hope that Skyfire will work for me.
-To be able to run ALL apps.
-To move apps to SD, if needed, to free space.
-To not have pixelated icons and images in apps - I think that this is probably due to the new resources layout - drawable-hdpi, mdpi etc.
- Lots more stuff that I can't remember...
BUT, I think we'll get 2.1 from SE before the custom bootloader/SPL is (nearly) bug-free, and can be flashed easily and safely. Hopefully, I'm wrong, and we'll have Froyo on our X10's by next week!
But the main problem I have, which is a bit off-topic, is that:
Will SE patch the root exploits when 2.1 is released, or even upgrade the bootloader, (or radio), without us knowing, to stop all progress completely - like Sony did, and still does, with the PSP?

aodmisery said:
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
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Logical fallacy.
If a supposed 3.0 update contained "X", "Y" and "Z", but got changed to version 2.3 with "X", "Y", and "Z", the phone could theoretically run it because the version number is lower?
Think before you type. A larger number means absolutely nothing in terms of whether the phone could handle it.

HunteronX said:
But the main problem I have, which is a bit off-topic, is that:
Will SE patch the root exploits when 2.1 is released, or even upgrade the bootloader, (or radio), without us knowing, to stop all progress completely - like Sony did, and still does, with the PSP?
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Most likely yes.
And i find it normal as is a security flaw in the phone.
So, don't do any SEUS/OTA/Companion upgrades if you want to keep root.

iead1 said:
Logical fallacy.
If a supposed 3.0 update contained "X", "Y" and "Z", but got changed to version 2.3 with "X", "Y", and "Z", the phone could theoretically run it because the version number is lower?
Think before you type. A larger number means absolutely nothing in terms of whether the phone could handle it.
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he probably heard that "minimum" requirements for Gingerbread..

aodmisery said:
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
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Don't Daydream ? thats what i was afraid of
damirbusic said:
I really dont want 2.2 cooked firmware which has even 1 thing not working. I see a lot custom firmwares and there it says "...most of the stuff works" or "Camera not working" etc. I would NEVER put any ROM that is not 100% functional, I would rather use 2.1 that works than 3.0 that has no camera working.
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i totally agree with you, but i've also seen some custom ones that work 100%, take the CM for example, i saw one myself that was very stable and working for normal daily use..
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I do like the Rachel UI, but an optimized FroYo ROM is better to me than official Eclair.
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i think people who buy same phones think alike lol
tuxStyle said:
Most likely yes.
And i find it normal as is a security flaw in the phone.
So, don't do any SEUS/OTA/Companion upgrades if you want to keep root.
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i think if we upgrade to 2.1, we will be able to Flash-Back to 1.6 with the tools present atm ?
note,
i aggregated the info you guys put in the 1# post so if any1 new to x10 or android sees the thread can understand a bit
i don't want it to be a poll-chitchat thread that have no point at all, that would be waste of space

Sony Ericsson: Regarding X8 update? to 2.2/2.3

I recently asked Sony Ericsson for an Xperia X8 2.2 an official update, I was not expecting a reply but they did.
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
We can advise the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 were all tested on Android 2.2 but did not improve the handset but rather diminished it as it started to run slower and crashed frequently which will not have improved the user experience.
The decision was then made to keep these handsets on Android 2.1 as they were originally designed to go up to Android 2.1 and no further, however as Android 2.2 was requested by our users the handset was tested.
Once we were able to update the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 to Android 2.3 we then also tested the Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 with this Android platform, however it again diminished the handset.
Sony Ericsson decided to keep these handsets on Android 2.1 so the handset would perform at its highest. As advised we will continue to release system updates for the handset to try and improve it as much as possible, however this will not be performed by updating the Operating System to Android 2.2 or 2.3.
We can only apologise for the inconvenience caused and will ensure your feedback is passed on to the relevant department to be looked into.
For further information on Sony Ericsson products, services and support please visit sonyericsson.com.
Should you require any further assistance then please do not hesitate to respond to this email or call our customer support on 08705 237 237.
Kind Regards,
Louis Gray
Sony Ericsson UK Customer Services
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Hmmmm..........I'm pretty sure the custom made by devs don't crash I'm guessing they can't be bothered.

The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.

doixanh said:
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
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TRUE!

Please someone who knows english flawlessly reply to SE:
If you found out 2.2 is diminishing the phone, then why does the ported 2.2 (2.3)
ROMs faster, than the original SE 2.1 soft with X8?
P.S.: If you need good programmers, browse at XDA...
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Wonder what will be the answer (if there is any...).
Edit.: worlds biggest Troll is clearly SE

ozzygang said:
I recently asked Sony Ericsson for an Xperia X8 2.2 an official update, I was not expecting a reply but they did.
Hmmmm..........I'm pretty sure the custom made by devs don't crash I'm guessing they can't be bothered.
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Haha... you ask to low.., why dont you asking honeycomb for x8.. ..
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Asycid said:
Please someone who knows english flawlessly reply to SE:
If you found out 2.2 is diminishing the phone, then why does the ported 2.2 (2.3)
ROMs faster, than the original SE 2.1 soft with X8?
P.S.: If you need good programmers, browse at XDA...
Wonder what will be the answer (if there is any...).
Edit.: worlds biggest Troll is clearly SE
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..but are they stable enough for everyday use as the stock one?

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..but are they stable enough for everyday use as the stock one?
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More stable than stock
Try elelinux or rachts floyo
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Why don't you reply to them? Attach links to custom roms including 2.2 and 2.3 on this forum and ask if they are idiots or they have idiot developers? Ask exacley what they tested, what doesn't work, what exacley what is slow, ask when they are planinig updates, what kind of updates...
Be stupid and BOTHER THEM with question =)
If few individuals can make [email protected], I still wounder how big companie such as SE can't do it.
I agree with post above > no money -no new android. So much for customer service.
I'm guessing i won't be buying another SE anytime soon, aldough I realy liked the brand.

Yeah, android 2.2 and 2.3 used to crash on X8's stock kernel. If they modified the kernel for the newer version of android it would have stopped crashing. But I guess they took a look at it, decided it's too much of a work for them, and dumped the project in order to focus on newer phones
As for slowing down - if drivers were meant for 2.1 of course it slowed down. If they made a proper 2.3 update for X8 it would run smooth as baby's ass.
Bullshitters.

i have a bit....
we all know hardware of W8 is the same of X8
after coming update 2.2 or 2.3 for W8 (not our X8) send them this request with this silly answer
when they say again :
we then also tested the Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 with this Android platform, however it again diminished the handset.
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then tell them f**ck u SE

Can anybody give me an e-mail adress where I can "complain"?

X1111 said:
after coming update 2.2 or 2.3 for W8 (not our X8)
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I don't think SE will update W8
Where did u get this info?

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I don't think SE will update W8
Where did u get this info?
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i don't remember clearly ,maybe only hear it ,maybe a fake news

Well custom rom with 2.2 works great so dont belive them
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sony ericsson
sony ericsson just want us to buy new phones. why can a cutom rom handle 2.2/2.3? SE is stupid

oh my
I think that don't want update the android version .. Simple =/

hi
Fo r me they won't do it because tmost of the people now are practical if they upgrade the
phones with cheaper value the sales of phones with cheaper value will increase but the phone with higher value will decrease in sales

doixanh said:
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
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Very True. Now we have ICS running very smooth.

I think the 2.2 roms that are running smooth here, are because they have no additional software running in the background. If you have SE software running in the background and SE apps installed, of course it will be slow.

Dell venue pro with 7661.WP_5_Trail

I just installed the beta 2 for the developers what is published today on my dell venue pro and I wanted to share my first impressions with the community. I will update this thread with my findings (positive or negative).
First some history:
I bought the phone in the US beginning of January. I live in Europe, Spain and I have my phone developer unlocked. So now you know where my phone came its maybe comparable for some of you here in the forums.
After update my phone have the following software specs:
DVP 8Gb model upgraded to 16gb
OS: 7661.WP7_6_Trial (mojobld).20110607-1657
Firmware: 2250.1500.7004.105
Hardware rev. 112.576.2.0
Radio software: 2.2.5.15
Radio hardware: 8250
Bootloader: 7.27.1.0
After update:
I noticed that the phone contained all my data, installed programs telephone numbers ect. what I didn't expect after doing any flash.
Positive points:
- Reaction speed is much better then NODO
- Stable OS (BETA 2 is mostly stable)
- The new functionality of course.
Negative point
- I noticed that background programs like eg. 4th and mayor are closing down out of them self. I'm not sure if multi-tasking is fully implemented.
- Some times I have a white glim's if I start an app in the overlay
Still need to try
- I have the feeling the software for the phone is indeed better but need some more testing.
- Somehow get a benchmark program to see if the performance is really better.
- I think the battery is also better but i'm not sure yet.
Maybe people who have access to the beta can also share their experience. I can confirm the BETA will not brick our phones
Here you can download the beta. There is a manual to install without dev unlocked device!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1149265

Ah..You beat me to it... I too just installed it and its awesome first impressions. Its super buttery smooth and fast. I installed my update on the FW beta testing unit.
So the FW is 212 and rest all the same for mango.
Takeaway: DVP will get the Mango update and it works.
I will report back with more info.

notebookgrail said:
Ah..You beat me to it... I too just installed it and its awesome first impressions. Its super buttery smooth and fast. I installed my update on the FW beta testing unit.
So the FW is 212 and rest all the same for mango.
Takeaway: DVP will get the Mango update and it works.
I will report back with more info.
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both of you beat me jerks! j/k
update ran smooth on both the firmware updated and non updated devices. The experience is fantastic. There is no question of that. Mango is a demon
I need to test on the old f/w but users let me say this. New update + mango == you may think you are in mobile heaven
It's really funny that the devices are using 2 year old tech for all intents and purposes and it is outperforming android by leaps and bounds!
I should do a benchmark

can we update to Mango beta first, then only upgrade the firmware when it comes out? or is it better to wait until the firmware update is applied before installing Mango beta?

synergeia said:
can we update to Mango beta first, then only upgrade the firmware when it comes out? or is it better to wait until the firmware update is applied before installing Mango beta?
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If you don't have a spare device, i would recommend waiting it out for the FW to come and then update to Mango beta. All sources info lead to FW only update and no OS level update - still i would be cautious..becos you don't want the Mango experience to be ruined by the wifi crash.

Firmware and BetaMango?
Ok guys my phone is a junk right now mostly lockups and phone issues. Any help with finding downloading and installing the FW along with Mango? I would be very thankful.......

Didn't I tell ya. Mango rocks on the Dell.
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alodar1 said:
Didn't I tell ya. Mango rocks on the Dell.
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totally rocking on the dvp! easily now the best windows phone

domineus said:
totally rocking on the dvp! easily now the best windows phone
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all for the want of a tiny little fix....thanks for the drama Dell

alodar1 said:
all for the want of a tiny little fix....thanks for the drama Dell
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And shot themselves for this long and got their image tarnished (if not already).

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And shot themselves for this long and got their image tarnished (if not already).
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For sure. People are looking for 32GB WP7 phones but the Dell is not mentioned despite being the first OEM to ship legit 32GB devices. They would have been second only to Samsung IMO for best WP7 device. Should have got on top of the issues we reported faster letting positive word of mouth spread and capitalised on the form factor but I have to say, they seemed strangely uninterested in actually making an impact (even with the Venue android version). And the resulting bad rep is now really affecting their perception. Sad.

Without question...
What remains to be see is if they can do something to regain a lot of what they lost. I think if they make the concessions right they can convince a lot of customers to talk highly of Dell and that would go a long way.
If they just drop the firmware and continue as if nothing happened then the last memory they will have in many people's minds is the failed DVP start and that can sag their reputation for a LONG time. Ford comes to mind in that regard...

Back to Topic - One good thing with DVP and Mango compared to other devices:
Since DVP never had much homebrew action due to it not exposing API's as other vendors, it became a good thing with Mango. The reason is now Homebrew apps are either killed or don't work with Mango beta. I feel sad for HTC folks I am sure they will resurrect.

But the approved homebrew solution from chevronlabs should remedy that, right? BTW what is the best thing about Mango in everyday use?

efjay said:
But the approved homebrew solution from chevronlabs should remedy that, right? BTW what is the best thing about Mango in everyday use?
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I hope Chevron comes to rescue.
Linked Inbox, Chat (Messaging), improved Contacts Live tile (with who commented on FB status) and better people hub (groups - i dont want to Swift tons of Vendor garbage in FB.) - so far.

notebookgrail said:
I hope Chevron comes to rescue.
Linked Inbox, Chat (Messaging), improved Contacts Live tile (with who commented on FB status) and better people hub (groups - i dont want to Swift tons of Vendor garbage in FB.) - so far.
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Can you view videos in facebook feeds, and is youtube support better?

Guys, I get no more blurry pictures from my DVP, and that's without the updated firmware... Loving juicy mango.

omaropa said:
Guys, I get no more blurry pictures from my DVP, and that's without the updated firmware... Loving juicy mango.
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autofix

efjay said:
Can you view videos in facebook feeds, and is youtube support better?
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Its the same as before. Still you need to click watch video.

One thing i am noticing with Mango is if one uses the full Mango experience, the battery will be drained in 1/2 day. I used my phone the same way as i would+Mango and it drained in 8 hrs. Pre-Mango, i used to get 15 hrs.