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Microsoft Kin

so these are the two new phones from Microsoft.
KIN ONE:
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What are your thoughts?
Has this remotely something to do with the WP7 core?
Can it be ported to other devices?
These phones are clearly intended for the "social generation"; success / fail?

well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...

Looks really good....nice as drinking a can of 7up !
Videos below !
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15292
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15296
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15297

i quite like the kin2, but the kin1 looks like a tamagochi to me and a 5mpx camera with such small screen? dunno :S

Don´t like any of them
They should made something spectacular instead of this...
But MS will never loose....

nanoware said:
well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...
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lol, A wink to iPad/iPhone/iTouch maybe??
But yeah, strange indeed.
My impression regarding KIN
The buttons of the KIN2 could be somewhat bigger, maybe have some other look to it, They look like shiny, cheap plastic buttons out of toys..
But then again, these are mock ups, maybe they look and feel great IRL (doubtfull, but no way to tell at this moment).
The Kin1 looks like a girls-phone, there the design works, and the buttons actually look better.
The bottom piece is bigger than to top piece, I wonder how that will work out.
But the resolution of both screens are low:
KIN1 320x240 (QVGA!!)
KIN2 480x320 (HVGA)
And Kin2 is supposed to be for video watching?
Come on, please enter the year 2010, I am not asking 1080i on a mobile, but VGA/WVGA is totally feasable..
EqX

What the hell does kin mean? Why did my apartment cut off my cable? Why is my mom orderin cable from at&t? Why am i mad? Why am i writing in all caps? Why do i prefer kin 2!?

I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.

rorytmeadows said:
I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.
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I don't. 10+

So these are original, running wp7 core, purpose designed, well built, purpose packed, zune pass over the air, updates over the air... retailed with Verizon which the kids like...
I think MS got a winner, it will sell well, the UI is gorgeous.

If this gets the backing of XDA this could be amazing.
The lack of 3rd party apps is a slight worry though.

I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
Bare in mind that these 2 phones cover the section of crappy (low tech) handsets in the market.....like from Nokia, SonyErric, LG etc.
If you actually compare the CRAPPY handsets out there and chuck these 2 in with them these phones actually PWN them all !
SO well done introducing something new and PWN'ing the crappy handset market.....NEXT !!

vardig said:
I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
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You clearly haven't seen some of there Japanese phones, there actually quite good.

They look 'kin awful.

I think the KIN ONE looks cute we will have to wait to see what they really like?

This Kin stuff, aren't Microsoft like wasting resources on another seperate os?

This is kind of neat. You could argue it's not really a smartphone, but I like it. It's a brilliant piece of minimalism - it's all the essentials done well and nothing else. The big question for me would be the browser. If the browser's great then I can really live without most apps, if not I can imagine it feeling restrictive after a while.
To the gentleman above, I don't really think that MS is wasting resources here. They're probably reusing a lot of the same code, and just tweaking the UI for a different effect. But what an effect! I really don't think there's anything else like this one the market.

Neither appeal to me...you would have thought MS could have done way better than those relics!

Do we even know what screen size each device has? I will say I am kind of envious of the fact that the Kin 2 has what could be a nice 8mp camera with flash.

Honest to god those might just be the two most hideous phones I've ever seen.

Htc Evo With iOS4

Is it possible to put iOS4 on the evo and have a dualboot one for Android and the other for iOS4

No iOS is not open source

Thanks anyways

now why would you want to kill a perfectly good phone?

really.. spend the money and get an iPhone if that's what u want to do
Sent from my evo using XDA App

I wonder if the Evo would still be able to make calls if you put iOS4 on it

mebo73 said:
really.. spend the money and get an iPhone if that's what u want to do
Sent from my evo using XDA App
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The iphone is one cheap silicone case away from being very very good hardware. Just buy an iphone (and a cheap case) if you want ios.

why would anyone in their right mind want to poison their evo with apple's software???

No is just good to have different things on a phone

What is it about iOS4 that you can't get on the EVO/Android? My brother has the iPhone4, & there is nothing he has that i couldn't find in the Marketplace.
If you're looking for something specific, i'm sure you can find an Android version of it.

Don't kill the OP
Come on guys, it's a legit question (even if it might seem pretty blasphemous to us). As for the original question, if you want to dual boot, there's potential to put any Open Source OS on just about any hardware. If you want to have a closed source OS (like iOS, WinMo, WebOS, Blackberry OS [oh dear God WHY?!], Mac OSX Leopard, etc...) on your hardware, you'll pretty much have that pre-installed on the device. That's why you can put Android onto the HTC HD2, but you can't put WinMo 6.5 on the EVO 4G.
Bottom line, if you want iOS4 + Android, you'll have to buy an iPhone if you even want a chance. I don't think they have it working yet, but I know they've ported Froyo to the older hardware, so it might just be a matter of time.

Forum reeks of fanboyism. Simple question required a simple answer. The evo is far from a perfect phone... If that was the case.. I wouldn't have to root it and play tricks on my battery just to make it last longer than 5 hours. Android wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't how iOS changed the way we look at smart phones. And apps that aren't on the android? bejeweled 2, angry birds, words with friends, a half decent facebook app, espn score center is terrible on the droid as well... I could go on... Both phones have their flaws.but I can see why the interest in wanting a dual boot phone. more than likely not happening anytime soon if not at all.

nateroc said:
Forum reeks of fanboyism. Simple question required a simple answer. The evo is far from a perfect phone... If that was the case.. I wouldn't have to root it and play tricks on my battery just to make it last longer than 5 hours. Android wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't how iOS changed the way we look at smart phones. And apps that aren't on the android? bejeweled 2, angry birds, words with friends, a half decent facebook app, espn score center is terrible on the droid as well... I could go on... Both phones have their flaws.but I can see why the interest in wanting a dual boot phone. more than likely not happening anytime soon if not at all.
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Exactly there is no good apps in the market place iPhone appstore has better plus it was just a freaking question not so you guys could bash on me wtf what kind of community is this ?? Have respect

Buy an ipod touch
- sent from beneath the earth

verse187 said:
Exactly there is no good apps in the market place iPhone appstore has better plus it was just a freaking question not so you guys could bash on me wtf what kind of community is this ?? Have respect
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right, out of the 85k apps in the market place, absolutely none of them are good for anybody whatsoever, which explains why no one downloads anything from the market anymore, and also explains why android is definitely not catching up to iOS.

verse187 said:
Is it possible to put iOS4 on the evo and have a dualboot one for Android and the other for iOS4
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verse187 said:
Exactly there is no good apps in the market place iPhone appstore has better plus it was just a freaking question not so you guys could bash on me wtf what kind of community is this ?? Have respect
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You know, you don't have to be an Apple fanboy (or girl) to want to see if this can be done. It's like trying to solve a puzzle. I really wouldn't want an iphone, but hacking iOS4 onto an Android phone would be fun. And, there are some apps for the iphone that don't exist in the Android Market.
BTW, I have a Dell Mini 9 that runs Snow Leopard just fine. Am I in love with Apple? Not really, though I have an iMac, as well as Windoze boxes and Linux, too. I'm posting from Linux on my dual boot Aspire One, wirelessly tethered to my Evo. I think I'm gonna try the Ubuntu hack for my Evo next. It's all about choices.

k2snowboards88 said:
The iphone is one cheap silicone case away from being very very good hardware. Just buy an iphone (and a cheap case) if you want ios.
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sorry wrong quote.

063_XOBX said:
I wonder if the Evo would still be able to make calls if you put iOS4 on it
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only if held in the left hand.

I wonder if the cameras would still work if you upgraded the Evo to anything other than 2.1, lol.

My Facebook Argument

iPhone guy. Gah. We get along great now, though xD
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"You are by far my best component"!?
Lol. What does that even mean?

There is no point arguing with a apple fanatic, its like arguing with a rock.
Maybe if you throw in works like "wonderful", "fantastic" ,"incredible", "awesome"...
lol at "sketchy" and "bit laggy", thats so non-technical and abstract coming from a nerd. (probably never even tried a nexus)
Otherwise you should have showed him:
your battery,
your sd card,
a ps-ef from a shell (sh, bash etc),
your ability to use any working SIM,
navigation, voice recognition,
your ability to hold the phone any way you want

grandmasterethel said:
"You are by far my best component"!?
Lol. What does that even mean?
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LOL. I wrote that to make sure he was paying attention, and actually READING what I was talking about. >_>
britoso said:
There is no point arguing with a apple fanatic, its like arguing with a rock.
Maybe if you throw in works like "wonderful", "fantastic" ,"incredible", "awesome"...
lol at "sketchy" and "bit laggy", thats so non-technical and abstract coming from a nerd. (probably never even tried a nexus)
Otherwise you should have showed him:
your battery,
your sd card,
a ps-ef from a shell (sh, bash etc),
your ability to use any working SIM,
navigation, voice recognition,
your ability to hold the phone any way you want
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I agree on all of the above. I was going to say, at one point, "at least I don't have to put duct tape on my phone to call people" xD, but decided to leave that out. And - another thing - even a Jailbroken iPhone is barely customizable. It was late and I didn't want to mention that, because I would have stayed up for another hour arguing with him. I would have, too, if it wasn't so late. xD

It makes me laugh when Apple fanboys say that a Mac can run Windows 7. Then why the f*** did you get a mac? lol. I've stopped arguing with Apple fanboys for the reason that britoso mentioned.

lol iOS4. finally caught up to what winmo and android could have already done.

britoso said:
There is no point arguing with a apple fanatic, its like arguing with a rock.
Maybe if you throw in works like "wonderful", "fantastic" ,"incredible", "awesome"...:
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You forgot "Magical"

I own a Mac and an iPad, wouldn't catch me with an iPhone tho

cymru said:
I own a Mac and an iPad, wouldn't catch me with an iPhone tho
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Shun the non believer! Shunnnn! Shunnnn!
xD
The iPad is too bulky, imo. I'd rather carry around my laptop. And I do.
And Mac's aren't that bad, they got some super sweet media editing software, that I love using. But still.

I have no qualms with any Mac computer...I think the OS is slick...I'm just real nitpicky and I honestly hate the lil dock bar (good for looks, but nothing more, give me a taskbar anyday over a dock bar) and I also LOATH the finder bar...give me the menu in EACH and EVERY app...many other things I just don't like...and many things it does indeed do better though...I do not like the explorer either...(same with Ubuntu btw, but that's customizable to an extent so a non issue)
The main appeal of Android IMO is it's desktop like feel....Especially with ADW or LauncherPro installed...no sea of icons can beat that IMO.

I love that everyone thinks they're "a hacker" because they can complete a three-click jailbreak.
Although I will say that the same applies on the Android side. Rooting and flashing a custom ROM based on instructions found on the internet doesn't make anyone a hacker either. The hackers are the ones that did it first.

Well, Technically, all a Hacker is, is someone who is taking something and making it do something that it wasn't meant to do. And android was meant to do bloody well everything. So there's not much hacking going on here, is there ;D

Yea I'm still new to Android but I was able to whip up heavily customized versions of the latest Windows Mobile build in no time. Even Windows Mobile gives you more choices when it comes to user interface and tasks.... it just runs ****ty and ugly (although the later builds are coming around).
Nothing beats Android though. I tell all my friends and family that have iPhones that "Android is like an iPhone on crack"

Wow.
Just wow.
p.s. (It's just a phone you have no stake in)
harrisonfordwhogivesa****.gif

But wait.. the iPhone 4 does have the most advanced antenna design ever. It's "revolutionary."
Oh, and you should've told him that you don't have to kill your warranty to tether for free.. or pay 99 cents for a flashlight app.

LOL, sour apples doesn't have a clue!

OS4 on Magic

looks like magic!
is it possible?
ttp://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTk3ODQxNTI4.html

tgm04 said:
looks like magic!
is it possible?
ttp://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTk3ODQxNTI4.html
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Cant view due to lack of flash, but if its what think it is, NOOOOO!!!!!!
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ok, wow .. that video is VERY convincing .. either they made a htc magic housing for an iphone, or it's real.
I want to see that in person.

foobar83 said:
ok, wow .. that video is VERY convincing .. either they made a htc magic housing for an iphone, or it's real.
I want to see that in person.
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Don't see how it could simply be a housing, because the camera lens on the Magic is in the center, and in the iPhone its on the left corner, i seriously think it's legit. I mean, Android itself was ported to the iPhone, so why not iOS to android?

would there be any other link to view this video?
i can't seem to see it,keeps giving me some error that i do not understand
i get the error nomatter what browser i use

Well, it's going to be fake...
I live in the UK, when I tried to play the video I got a message that it was blocked in this region, using a US based VPN solved the issue though.
I'll get the video mirrored shortly.

Mirror here, play with VLC.
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I'm honestly not sure what to think, really. Since all iPhones have 3.5" screens, a Magic case would need to fit proportionally, so someone would need to make a bigger magic-esque housing, and that one looked pretty damn real (notice the backlit keys).
I could just be a video playing, but the screen seemed to be quite responsive.
It's definitely not a theme either...

Kudos for getting the iOS4 working with anything but proprietary apple hardware, but isn't this like replacing your high-tech, highly-customizeable batmobile with something much worse?

It's interesting that the wallpaper slides along with the icons like it does on Android, I didn't think that was possible on iPhone OS. I can only assume it's just an application mimicking iPhone OS (notice how the home button is bound to the back button).

AdrianK said:
Mirror here, play with VLC.
I'm honestly not sure what to think, really. Since all iPhones have 3.5" screens, a Magic case would need to fit proportionally, so someone would need to make a bigger magic-esque housing, and that one looked pretty damn real (notice the backlit keys).
I could just be a video playing, but the screen seemed to be quite responsive.
It's definitely not a theme either...
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thanks for the mirror
if im not wrong, ios's wallpaper does not move when swiping from screen to screen

css626 said:
thanks for the mirror
if im not wrong, ios's wallpaper does not move when swiping from screen to screen
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It doesn't. I have an iPod touch with iOS4. Of course, mine has the nexus lines live wallpaper. XD
This is really cool, and I doubt its fake. It has to be very possible to port it, just who would really want to? You get nothing more than a few bragging rights because I doubt many people want iOS4 over Android 1.6 2.1 or 2.2. The ONLY thing iOS4 has which is probably more hardware related is crisp graphics. Games look AMAZING on iPhones and iPods but pretty bad on Android devices.

www.hiapk.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=419885 IPHONE OS

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www.hiapk.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=419885 IPHONE OS
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wheres download link? and its weird language so please post link?

It seems you have to be a member of that forum to get the link/file

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hiapk.com%2Fbbs%2Fviewthread.php%3Ftid%3D419885
Well there's an attachment but you need to register, I can't get past the CAPTCHA :-(
EDIT: My bad, didn't see the link above. Meh.

Now I'm no programmer, but I know a couple, and I think one prerequisite to port anything from one platform to another is the source code?
Now who, other than a highly trained special ops team, is going to be able to get that out of Apple?
I call fake on this - most likely a video playing on the phone, and the 'user' is just on the ball mimicking the gestures...

Well, the attachments are just screenshots from the video. And Google Translate says the other users are waiting for a release too.

R3dF1v3 said:
I call fake on this - most likely a video playing on the phone, and the 'user' is just on the ball mimicking the gestures...
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It could also be a skin - I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, actually! Anyway, looks great, I wouldn't mind trying it out.

v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTk5MzQ0OTQw.html
19/08/2010 phone works it's true

Right. Showing videos without a real product is the way to do it. Great.

Just incase you were thinking of going back to an Iphone

Try this:
https://market.android.com/details?id=net.suckga.iLauncherLite&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm5ldC5zdWNrZ2EuaUxhdW5jaGVyTGl0ZSJd
A Brilliant simulation launcher exactly like the Iphones UI....Boring as hell
Well done to the developer for creating such an accurate launcher

if you want iPhone's UI, I think you'd better get an iPhone.
I just hate this "memory game" UI

Sorry just me being sarcastic...
Basically to explain my post, the UI is boring as hell, why on earth would you want to get an Iphone

If you like this you could also try Espier launcher (free on market)!

Aah got bored just watching it
Once ICS is here I guess cant be bothered with all this launchers.....

Cool thanks guys seriously today i was really in a mood of ios n installed MIUI and with these launchers my dream is true

tfn said:
Aah got bored just watching it
Once ICS is here I guess cant be bothered with all this launchers.....
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True

and people would think that you own an iphone 5

Gorjess said:
and people would think that you own an iphone 5
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The only problem there would be the word Samsung written above the screen

UAU!
It's a pity that looks like iOS 3.0 huahuahuahuahua

rafael000 said:
if you want iPhone's UI, I think you'd better get an iPhone.
I just hate this "memory game" UI
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True Dat, True Dat.
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i dont really get people that want their android phone to look like iphone. Apart from in my personal opinion android looks better the obvious answer is if you want to look like iphone buy a damn iphone.
(same thing with people whinging they want the GS2 to look like HTC sense but thats another can of worms)

I wasn't and never would but thanks for sharing.
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Useless thread. Just another iphone bashing thread.
Will be probably closed soon.
If people want an iphone, or iphone UI let them....
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mccune said:
Useless thread. Just another iphone bashing thread.
Will be probably closed soon.
If people want an iphone, or iphone UI let them....
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I wholeheartedly agree

i had an iphone before my samsung galaxy s2 !
but i have to say, that iphone is boring now, because the style is always the same ! this was the reason why i bought the samsung galaxy! When you look at the new Iphone 4s you'll see no new style, only the inside life is new, but design is an important point for me !

I'm back to 4S and happy.
Tired of cheapness of os and non-stop glitches and bugs.
Let the flaming commence.

lynzoid said:
I'm back to 4S and happy.
Tired of cheapness of os and non-stop glitches and bugs.
Let the flaming commence.
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No flaming. Just pity.
Sent from right behind you

lynzoid said:
I'm back to 4S and happy.
Tired of cheapness of os and non-stop glitches and bugs.
Let the flaming commence.
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Its about preference.. But theres no point to post it here..
I was expecting someone to post how to port ios to android device instead
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