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Anyone leaving the N1 for the Desire HD

I've been using the N1 for a while but have always itched for a bigger screen, is it time to upgrade or may be wait a bit longer
What are your plans?

the desire hd does sound really appealing...depending on what the price is, and if it has us 3g, i might make the switch. it would be even better if at&t didn't require a smartphone plan for the desire hd

I would, if they made the following additions/subtractions :
Add:
Bigger battery
HDMI out
RGB Trackball
AT&T 3G
Subtract:
HTC Sense

I might depending on a few factors. First if it's really gonna be that cheap plastic looking like the previous My Touch phones. Secondly if T-mobile offers a bogo within a month or like like they did the vibrant. My wife and I have our upgrades a year apart that way we can generally do a bogo and each get a new phone yearly (the exception being the N1 as there was no bogo, and I had to have it ). We are definately getting either the G2 or the MT HD.
Edit. Wups, misread the title. I thought it said My Touch HD, sorry about that.

not switching from a amoled to a none ...i switch back and forward from a vibrant to nexus one.. vibrant simple stunning ..also have a evo which is same as the desire hd and when u put them together poor evo looks very crappy ..... i do like the desire z which is the same as the g2 . might get the g2

If the desire comes to the US as the MyTouch HD and adds a front facing camera, I just might have to pull the trigger. Even Sense is starting to look appealing.

I'm quite interested in the qwerty form factor now to be honest. Although a big screen and Swype is very appealing. Wondering how well the battery will hold up with that screen sucking on the juice. Is it SLCD or SAMOLED?

markouk said:
I'm quite interested in the qwerty form factor now to be honest. Although a big screen and Swype is very appealing. Wondering how well the battery will hold up with that screen sucking on the juice. Is it SLCD or SAMOLED?
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Super AMOLED is for Samsung Devices only.
The real question is:
Will it support US AT&T and/or T-Mobile bands?

I'll be holding on to my N1 until manufacturers start releasing 1.5GHz or higher dual core phones.

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I'll be holding on to my N1 until manufacturers start releasing 1.5GHz or higher dual core phones.
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Agreed. The 1.2GHz dual cores may be tempting though.

If the Desire HD supports TMOUS HSPA+ speeds, I would like to get it. But with all phones, I would have to play around with it for a while before i actually bought it. Buying a new phone without knowing what the glitches/drawbacks are is too risky anymore. I bought the HD2 thinking it would be the world's greatest phone before I played with it. Boy, was I wrong!!

adamhlj said:
If the Desire HD supports TMOUS HSPA+ speeds, I would like to get it. But with all phones, I would have to play around with it for a while before i actually bought it. Buying a new phone without knowing what the glitches/drawbacks are is too risky anymore. I bought the HD2 thinking it would be the world's greatest phone before I played with it. Boy, was I wrong!!
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Did you try it with Android?

ericc191 said:
I'll be holding on to my N1 until manufacturers start releasing 1.5GHz or higher dual core phones.
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Same here but I've read on engadget that 1.5ghz processor will be releasing in q4 of 2011
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Yes, I am. If it supports AT&T 3G, than it is an impulse buy for me. I really want a 4.3" phone for AT&T, and the N1 fails at that. (Although I still love it <3)

If the Desire Z becomes available with at&t 3g. Possibly
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Adreno 205 and 768MB of ram. Holy want!

I'm hoping to only leave the N1 for the N2, if google wakes up and realizes they need to keep releasing the Nexii, if only to keep the manufactures in line, prob even the carriers
Ahh one can dream
Rellikzephyr
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RellikZephyr said:
I'm hoping to only leave the N1 for the N2, if google wakes up and realizes they need to keep releasing the Nexii, if only to keep the manufactures in line, prob even the carriers
Ahh one can dream
Rellikzephyr
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100% agree

Yep, only a very cool N2 will convince me to switch!

Yeah the N2 is the way to go but one can only hope.

Can't find an N1, whats the alternative?

It seems that N1 is the most stable of all the handsets I have seen. Another plus is that it gets all the updates first without the bloat.
Unfortunately it isn't publicly sold anymore so whats the next best thing?
I am on AT&T.

It is sold in the developer section of Google's android site. But it's for T-Mobile. I guess for at&t it would be the Samsung galaxy s phone.

What about HTC desire...?
i've seen some websites where they hint that it may include 850Mhz band for UMTS... it seems there is a provider either in Austria or Italy using these frequencies....

I am actually getting two androids.
One is the Galaxy S once the dust clears on froyo and hardware issues.
I also wanted an N1 like device for its stability and ROM updates. HTC Desire seems like the closest alternative but do I still have to wait on HTC to release their custom brewed ROMs? There also seems to be some minor hardware differences that make the N1 better.

Either that or you still have to wait on OpenDesire team to release adapted Nexus firmware for Desire when it comes out. The latter one takes much less time.

They are on craislist and ebay, I own 2 myself on Tmobile both purchased from said locations.

Craigslist will be better. I did locally. Att version cost more on eBay. Something about not available through Google bullchit. They will try to rip you off. After I bought the iPhone 4 and sold to buy my n1. I called every n1 owner to find out I they had att version. Pay much less too. For a one month old unit. Can't beat that. And don't regret it. But now alot of new phones coming soon. I hear that g2 is going to available through bell Canada. U could wait for that.
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garyHal said:
I also wanted an N1 like device for its stability and ROM updates. HTC Desire seems like the closest alternative but do I still have to wait on HTC to release their custom brewed ROMs? There also seems to be some minor hardware differences that make the N1 better.
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The Desire was released later than N1 and it has better multi-touch support (out of box), More RAM, Enabled FM transmitter etc- which i think makes Desire a better device on specs! But on software updates- N1 still beats all android sets though it aint that hard to keep Desire up-to-date aswel i guess!
Just laying down the records- i like my N1 better as far as time goes- on looks n updates.. but would love to have a Desire 'if i can have it for free i.e'
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The Desire and the N1 have identical hardware, including RAM.

Rusty! said:
The Desire and the N1 have identical hardware, including RAM.
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Yeah they've identical but not quite the same-
1. Desire has New touch sensor (Better multi-touch- nexus has problem distinguishing between fingers at time)
2. More RAm- 576 MB as opposed to N1's 512
3. Newer Bluetooth- 2.1+ vs N1's 2.0+ EDR
4. Desire is Dual-band- N1 is Tri-band
5. N1 has Noise-Cancellation- Desire Doesn't
6. Desire has better power-management than N1 (Tests on other sites)
7. N1 is Google-Dev Phone so will get faster updates while HTC ofcourse will play catch-up!
Umm That's as much as i could gather up- correct me if i'm wrong
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Yeah they've identical but not quite the same-
1. Desire has New touch sensor (Better multi-touch- nexus has problem distinguishing between fingers at time)
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doesn't the Desire also use the Clearpad 2000? If yes then it's the same as the N1.

@lukesky: sorry for my mistake- yes the desire has the same sensor as nexus and same multi-touch problem as nexus aswel.. Synaptics sensor wasn't originally made for multi-touch and thus the problem!
New phones seem to use Atmel MaxTouch sensor which is made for multi-touch and can track upto 16 points and is faster/responsive than the Synaptics!
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I am selling one on ebay right now. Feel free to check it out.

lots of N1's on ebay, ATT's are not very common but usually dont go for much more than T-mobile 3G ones. i've seen used ones in the past 2-3 weeks go for anywhere from 350-450
i got mine off craigslist locally for 300, it was a steal of a deal, most people in my area are asking the same as what they go for on e-bay 350-450+ once again though ATT's are few and far between but they are out there.

N2 is on the way.
N2 is on the way.
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SO with so many NexusOne owners wanting the Desire ROM, I wonder if there are as many or more, Desire owners wanting the NexusOne ROM?!
Personally, I only reaaallllyy dislike having a physical trackball on my Nexus.
It kind of detracts from its sleekness. Otherwise, I LOVE IT!

There is no replacement for the best Android device made. Maybe if the Nexus Two is a reality that would be a great alternative but never a replacement. I am a very proud owner of the Nexus One with all the extras, desk top dock which I run my music thru to my boss stereo system and it is killer. I bought the G2 because it looked like the Nexus One's brother, great phone but not a replacement, there is only one Nexus One, get one if you can. I have had more phones then carter has pills and the Nexus One rules.

garyHal said:
It seems that N1 is the most stable of all the handsets I have seen. Another plus is that it gets all the updates first without the bloat.
Unfortunately it isn't publicly sold anymore so whats the next best thing?
I am on AT&T.
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Dude!>!?!?!? Craigslist has them!!! Good deals!!

I have the N1 and I bought the Desire for my wife. After playing with hers I've seen it to be about the same as far as usage and functionality. The screen however is much better than my N1. I had to get her the A183 model for use on ATT.
Btw the new CM6.1 candidate build has enabled FM radio for N1. No longer just a feature for the Desire .
Sent from my Nexus One on CM6.1

Htc sensation is promising
Sony Ericsson's Xperia Arc isn't bad either

We all may have purchsed a Nexus S

It seems from the good work at Engadget that the Nexus S will be a stock android phone running on Galaxy S hardware with a front facing camera. If this is the case, and it comes to Verizon as the original was supposed to, it would be nothing to port these roms over to our phones seeing how the alleged hardware is exactly like ours with a camera. We would also see development ramp up as well. Interesting indeed.

Interesting assumption.
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I would assume yph are correct. Best buy leaked documents on phandroid say its coming out on Nov,14. Though it will be T-Mobile. That will just give all the GSM galaxy users gingerbread I would assume while we wait til 11/11/11 to get froyo.
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I have to say, the i9020 is looking awfully real.
What are the odds of a CDMA model, I wonder...

s44 said:
I have to say, the i9020 is looking awfully real.
What are the odds of a CDMA model, I wonder...
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Slim to none. Just like Verizon and Sprint were gonna get the N1 but ended up with "like" devices with "comparable" features in the Incredible and Evo.

Verizon will likely not ever have another developer phone(d1 was/is) because they can't control what goes on it if it is like the N1. They want to have complete and total control over their phone.
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There is no way this phone is the same hardware as the galaxy s..........for one the camera is different, the flash placement is different and so is the speakerphone placement!!!
Lets get realistic and sad our phone is official outdated.....the nexus is the standard for android!!!
I hope im wrong!!

BingoDanny said:
There is no way this phone is the same hardware as the galaxy s..........for one the camera is different, the flash placement is different and so is the speakerphone placement!!!
Lets get realistic and sad our phone is official outdated.....the nexus is the standard for android!!!
I hope im wrong!!
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I'm petty sure sure you're not right...
This phone is petty much standard hardware. I don't think anything past 1.0 GHz is released yet by anyone.

If gingerbread is out before we get froyo I'm getting a different phone
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One of the posts on this phone connected to flckr. They looked up the model number of the phone and found pics connected to it rated at 5 mega pixels. Same as our phone. The screen looks to be the same size and allegedly samoled. Even if it was just a developer phone, we could always pick and pull what we want from it, just like we so from the other galaxy s variants. It looks like hardware wise, we aren't going to be much different. It's been approved by the fcc, a while ago, so theyprobably didn't get a chanceto change much. This is all speculation of course, but it makes sense.

A,tually there is something past 1ghz...droid 2 global
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I was thinking of migrating to the merge or inedible hd if this turned into too much of a fiasco, but this has me very curious to see how this will pan out. Google's sort has proven much different than samsung. Extended my patience a bit.

Desire C

So today i read some articles about the new Desire C ( dutch articles most of you wouldn't understand them but google is your friend )
So basicly this is some sort of Wildfire type phone. Low specs. And guess what. It is rocking ICS.
I don't understand why HTC is bringing out this low spec phones with ICS and not updating the Desire Z with ICS.
Yes it is probably because of sense 3.6 being to heavy for our phone.
But as i recal there once was a HTC Desire who was not supposed to get a Gingerbread update and it still got it because the users were not satisfied with HTC behaviour on this.
So basicly my point is. We need to let them hear our voice on this and go ahead and sign those petitions that were started weeks ago if you did not do this then.
Many thanks!
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johrie said:
So today i read some articles about the new Desire C ( dutch articles most of you wouldn't understand them but google is your friend )
So basicly this is some sort of Wildfire type phone. Low specs. And guess what. It is rocking ICS.
I don't understand why HTC is bringing out this low spec phones with ICS and not updating the Desire Z with ICS.
Yes it is probably because of sense 3.6 being to heavy for our phone.
But as i recal there once was a HTC Desire who was not supposed to get a Gingerbread update and it still got it because the users were not satisfied with HTC behaviour on this.
So basicly my point is. We need to let them hear our voice on this and go ahead and sign those petitions that were started weeks ago if you did not do this then.
Many thanks!
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Actually I believe its running sense 4.0 as it shows in the screenshots. But it only has a 600mhz processor
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Actually I believe its running sense 4.0 as it shows in the screenshots. But it only has a 600mhz processor
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I know that and I did not state that it is not. You were probably confused with my 3.6 statement. HTC is not updating older phones with sense 4.0 but with 3.6 and that is why we won't get the update. It is simply to much for this phone. But we could get a slimmed to version of 3.6.
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Its because they are money hungry and they want you to buy new phone.If they stay pushing out updates to older phones they won't encourage you to buy new phones=smaller profit for them
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New phone - new money for company . No sense in upgradin old devices to the latest updates , when it is possible to get profit from pushiing out new smartphone even when specs is lower than olders one.
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However, they could give us some source codes for the devs to make the work and not htc
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First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.

riahc3 said:
First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.
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THEY SHOULD BE! Or else...
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riahc3 said:
First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.
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And because this is probably the last QWERTY phone from HTC they SHOULD update this phone. I am not going to buy a new phone without a h/w keyboard ( don't throw in the motorola argument in here they don't sell them in my country ). If htc is stopping with the QWERTY phones at least keep your latest up to date for a decent amount of time...
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johrie said:
And because this is probably the last QWERTY phone from HTC they SHOULD update this phone. I am not going to buy a new phone without a h/w keyboard ( don't throw in the motorola argument in here they don't sell them in my country ). If htc is stopping with the QWERTY phones at least keep your latest up to date for a decent amount of time...
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Why do people say they "should"? They shouldnt do ****. Back in the WAY old days, phones were never updated. These updates are free and they do it because they want to. They arent forced to do anything.
And you people obviously do not run a business or know how it runs. Here is a hint: PROFIT. Why would I, a phone maker, update my old models when I can simply release a Desire Z 2 (for example purposes) with the only difference is that it has ICS and sell it for 400 and lower the Desire Z 1 at 200? Thats called smart business because everyone wants the new model and if they cant afford it, they can go for the old one.
NO COMPANY IS FORCES OR SHOULD PUT OUT UPDATES. They release updates because they want to.

IMHO, i find it unfair that DHD users are getting their ICS upgrade while we are, well, most probably not even though both the DHD and DZ are launched concurrently.

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Why do people say they "should"? They shouldnt do ****. Back in the WAY old days, phones were never updated. These updates are free and they do it because they want to. They arent forced to do anything.
And you people obviously do not run a business or know how it runs. Here is a hint: PROFIT. Why would I, a phone maker, update my old models when I can simply release a Desire Z 2 (for example purposes) with the only difference is that it has ICS and sell it for 400 and lower the Desire Z 1 at 200? Thats called smart business because everyone wants the new model and if they cant afford it, they can go for the old one.
NO COMPANY IS FORCES OR SHOULD PUT OUT UPDATES. They release updates because they want to.
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A little detail i have to fix in your post... HTC never said anything about releasing a new phone with a hardware keyboard, they should update their latest because there will be no more newer version (unless the One Z is real... Which is not)...
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probably HTC did hte math and decided that neither a new Z phone or updating the old one was worth it...
We can keep asking .. you'll never know!
But You'll have to agree with the fact that is all just about money...

The whole argument with "phones did not get updated in the past" is kind of stupid. Phones are not what they used to be. It is not just a phone anymore it is a pocket computer.
Also they also did it with the desire so if we try hard enough maybe we can get official ICS.
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Probably we won't be seeing a successor to the Desire Z. And that is just sad. But I used my friends' note and typing on it wasn't that bad. The general trend is moving away from h/w keyboards.

I doubt there will be an ICS version for our Desire Z ever. Cause where is the attraction of buying a new one WITH ICS?
I´m running my two DesireZ with Andromadus beta ICS for a while now and I have the feeling of having a new mobile in my hands. So I gave up the thought buying a new one That's exactly what they do not want..
Mike

I don't care much for ics as gingerbread has all the features I need, and unless there is a flawless ics rom why bother. I won't get a new phone (if my g2 breaks ill buy a used g2 from ebay) fact is that many g2/dz may not get another htc phone when theirs goes bad for many of us want a hardware keyboard. So why not move on to something else especially if they get a discount with a new contract. Untill we see a comprable yet updated phone from htc with a hardware keyboard they will probably loose more money than if they just released ics for our phones in the meantime while the g3 is being built. In the sense that we will keep these untill the g3 comes out. The g1 was the absolute best phone untill the g2, if there isn't a g3 then another company will certainly make the best phone and even the die hard htc fans (me included) will change our minds.
Just my take...
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Poor old HTC

So in light of the following news are HTC going to bring out something special or just quietly dye by the way side?
http://www.androidguys.com/2012/07/30/htc-closes-south-korea-office-due-to-slow-sales-samsung-hurting-profits/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+androidguyscom+%28AndroidGuys%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
Bear in mind the current fiasco with ICS and the Desire HD.
So are you going to jump the HTC ship?

Ya well, the one series was a miss with consumers at large ,can't imagine what would have happened if the one x for example had sd card storage and a battery access

We can only hope they die a quick but painful death.
... unless they release ics source code then i don't care what they do.
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I am already planning my jump over to Samsung rightly or wrongly, but they are talking about launching JB on the S3 and even the S2 in the very near future! And from what I have seen they seem to deliver what they say!

Well I wouldn't want them to die, afterall competition is always good, however I've decided that my DHD shall be my last HTC phone after all that has happened. I'm contemplating on waiting for the next Google phone, immediate updates and a bugless AOSP experience, what else could one ask for?

That is what you get when you mess with all the HTC Desire HD owners!!! Not releasing ICS for their most sold phone and telling their costumers lies about HTC Desire HD performance. And the same with HTC Desire.
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atrako1973 said:
Ya well, the one series was a miss with consumers at large ,can't imagine what would have happened if the one x for example had sd card storage and a battery access
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Agreed, I cant believe they would release such a retarded phone and a clear attempt to copy the iPhone business model.
I'm due upgrade now but think ill just stick with my DHD.
They should have concentrated all efforts on savage battery life combined with expansion of mem.

That is the general consensus I am feeling form this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1396842
It’s a shame that a company with a lot of promise has now just peed of its fan base and almost washed their hand of them.
If you look at the number of ROMs in the development thread you can see that people pretty much rooted their HTC Desire HD as soon as they got them as the hardware far out preformed the software that was loaded and any potential update (although we all knew these wouldn’t come to light! lol )

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That is the general consensus I am feeling form this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1396842
It’s a shame that a company with a lot of promise has now just peed of its fan base and almost washed their hand of them.
If you look at the number of ROMs in the development thread you can see that people pretty much rooted their HTC Desire HD as soon as they got them as the hardware far out preformed the software that was loaded and any potential update (although we all knew these wouldn’t come to light! lol )
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Don't forget Samsung is from South Korea, so why keep spending money on SK if you know that "everyone" in SK has a Samsung phone :silly:
I hope they won't cancel the ICS update for developers. They had the same problem with Gingerbread update for the Desire.
They never released it as an OTA update, but they released it for developers.
So let's hope they do the same with Desire HD (in the future).
About One-series. It's indeed a sad story, but I think why most people didn't bought the One-phones was because most of them were probably waiting to see the Galaxy SIII and it seems that the SIII is the number one choice now for lots of Android users.

That or the New Galaxy Nexus (fingers crossed it won’t be produced by HTC) that will ruin the Nexus name IMO

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That or the New Galaxy Nexus (fingers crossed it won’t be produced by HTC) that will ruin the Nexus name IMO
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Why would HTC ruin it? I like HTC's hardware

1 months ago I planned to buy the One X along with one of my best friends and I almost sell my DHD (it even already entered the "For Sale" thread in one of Indonesia's largest community forum). But after I read so much informations from early adopter of One X about how bad is the HTC's quality control over One X hardware productions I hold my decisions to upgrade because I don't wanna spend my time dealing with HTC service center.

ScarfaceMT said:
Well I wouldn't want them to die, afterall competition is always good, however I've decided that my DHD shall be my last HTC phone after all that has happened. I'm contemplating on waiting for the next Google phone, immediate updates and a bugless AOSP experience, what else could one ask for?
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i know some1 who has the one x , personaly i dont like it yes better screen but it looks to plasticy as for not having expandable memory that has def put me off , it was a realy silly move on htcs part but they seem to be doing a lot of those latley

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Tierd of htc, they were the best option when i bought my dhd. The new one series cant beat s3 imo. Im going for nexus next, nothing beats (not even s3) the new android stock interface.
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