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tempted to get an iphone..

Build quality is superb,video is amazing, I feel like my evo will disintegrate within 6months.. I never had ATT but i'm sure I will hate them but I'm not much of a talker or texter.. I just like to browse the net on my phone, upload some videos on facebook/youtube,listen to my music and play a few games..
i feel my evo is consuming my life with all these new roms and such, I have very little self control, instead of focusing on school work im obsessing over the next new hack for my 002 novatec, or when I can upgrade to an 003,.. I think I need to dumb it down and get an iphone lol

Disintegrate?
Does the Evo really feel that cheap in your hands?
And, for goodness sake, glass on the BACK of the phone? Yikes.

Go get the iPhone then, no one is going to stop you but yourself. To me it sounds more like your into the most popular phone atm then anything else.
Sent from HTC Evo 4g

I really don't get a cheap feel with the Evo ... design / material / quality wise.
Just because the iPhone has glass (OMGhana) all these people seem to think that it's all high end. Maybe I don't want glass. Maybe I have too much glass in my life. Christ. I digress. It's all a matter of what best suits the user.

beesneazy said:
Hit submit a few minutes after typing that ... I see you edited the post. Guess I thought you meant build quality ... and maybe you did ... but I really don't get a cheap feel with the Evo ... design / material / quality wise.
Just because the iPhone has glass (OMGhana) all these people seem to think that it's all high end. Maybe I don't want glass. Maybe I have too much glass in my life. Christ.
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The EVO's front is amazing. But I have to say, the back could have been improved upon, no offense. I'm an HD2 owner, and I'm sure you can understand why I say what I say.

beesneazy said:
Hit submit a few minutes after typing that ... I see you edited the post. Guess I thought you meant build quality ... and maybe you did ... but I really don't get a cheap feel with the Evo ... design / material / quality wise.
Just because the iPhone has glass (OMGhana) all these people seem to think that it's all high end. Maybe I don't want glass. Maybe I have too much glass in my life. Christ.
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well its the screen separation (screen is sinking! barely push against it and it sinks in itself, affects accurate touch operations) and the flimsy backcover that makes a squeeky noise now when I hold it, the kickstand as well is making a noise, wheres the WD-40! sorry I didn't clarify this.

Yeah I can agree on that, not a big fan of the camera sticking out. Nothing a case can't fix though.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g

Tundricles said:
Build quality is superb,video is amazing, I feel like my evo will disintegrate within 6months.. I never had ATT but i'm sure I will hate them but I'm not much of a talker or texter.. I just like to browse the net on my phone, upload some videos on facebook/youtube,listen to my music and play a few games..
i feel my evo is consuming my life with all these new roms and such, I have very little self control, instead of focusing on school work im obsessing over the next new hack for my 002 novatec, or when I can upgrade to an 003,.. I think I need to dumb it down and get an iphone lol
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The monthly bill will be a lot more then what you pay now (unless you can get a good discount). Don't forget that AT&T got rid of their Unlimited plan so....I hope you can keep it under 2 gigabytes or you will have to pay a fee.
Either way...your best bet is to do your own evaluation with them and their network. To each his own, but I wouldn't go back!

Truth be told there are things about the Evo that I don't necessarily "love." The shape of the back case, which I know is what it is for a reason.
In terms of the iPhone ... I'll admit to liking the newer design in terms of it being more "Squared" and flatter. Didn't like the rounder previous iPhone's, which is something I sort of see with the Evo but since it's a bit "thicker" it works. But it's still a sharp looking device, for whatever that's worth. Not to suggest the Evo isn't.
Held the iPhone 4, and yes, it does have that "feel and look" but it didn't necessarily sit in my hands, landscape mode (as that's how I'm usually holding the phone), as comfortably as my Evo did. I like the little bit of heft and size you get with the EVO, in the end it just felt more comfortable.
The new iPhone does look cooler than last generations ... but it's still a got damn iPhone.

redrazr7791 said:
The monthly bill will be a lot more then what you pay now (unless you can get a good discount). Don't forget that AT&T got rid of their Unlimited plan so....I hope you can keep it under 2 gigabytes or you will have to pay a fee.
Either way...your best bet is to do your own evaluation with them and their network. To each his own, but I wouldn't go back!
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Had the evo for nearly a month now (june 4th) I agree overall sprint is the better network
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beesneazy said:
Truth be told there are things about the phone that I don't necessarily "love." The shape of the case, which I know is what it is for a reason.
In terms of the iPhone ... I like the newer design in terms of it being more "Squared" and flatter. Didn't like the rounder previous versions, which is something I sort of see with the Evo. But it's still a sharp looking device.
Held the iPhone 4, and yes, it does have that "feel and look" but it didn't necessarily sit in my hands, landscape mode (as that's how I'm usually holding the phone), as comfortably as my Evo did. I like the little bit of heft and size. It just feels more comfortable.
The new iPhone does look cooler ... but it's still a got damn iPhone.
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My neighbor let me play with her iPhone for a little bit and imo, I hated the feel of it in my hand. I was more of a fan of the rounded back. The phone was fast but nothing that made me feel amazed. Overall I didn't feel like it was a worthy upgrade over the 3gs, but again I'm not a big Apple fan. For those that like/love the iPhone/Apple I'm sure you like it though.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g

The things that keep me from getting an iphone again are:
No flash, I love watching flash on fail blog or assorted sites
No .wmv player. One off my favorite sites puts up their videos in that format
No widgets. Going in and out if programs for basic info gets old.
Small screen. After the evo I don't think I can go under 4 inches.
Email attachments are handled fairly ****ty on the iphone especially if the device doesn't recognize them. I can download anything through the gmail.com site.
Notifications suck on the iphone. Not a total deal breaker for me but still on the list.
No swype.

I don't get it with people. It's like they have to come in and justify why they buy or not buy a phone. Do you do the same with your car, home, clothes?
Do you tell your friends I am buying a Honda now that my Ford's build quality isn't what I like. No offense to Ford owners
The Iphone's build quality is not all that - i think you have read some of the reviews. It's slick I will give them that. But once you put a case on it how does it feel now?
There are already signs of them getting scratched up. Once you put a thicker case on it guess what? It's not a sleek and small as you once thought it was. No different from the EVO. I put on my case and I see all screen.
You put on the bumpers to the Iphone 4 and you see all screen.
I don't care what phone anyone gets. I don't get into the fanboy fight either way. I like what I like and I buy it. Android happens to be my OS of choice and the EVO my phone. Windows Phone 7 will be my next phone as well. If the Iphone came in a 4" or larger screen I would have considered it. BUT...this forum and these developers and people are the real reason so many of us are into these phones the way we are.
I am sure the HD3 will be pretty slick. I can almost guarantee you that if the design concepts comes close to the real deal that it will be amazing.

Just so you guys know Ive read quite a few posts complaining about light leaking on the iphone 4 aswell. If thats what causes your gripes on building quality you may be disappointed with the iphone as well.
On top of that the iphone shatters when dropped from little over a foot. My evo has already survived a nastier one from waste height.

Tundricles said:
well its the screen separation (screen is sinking! barely push against it and it sinks in itself, affects accurate touch operations) and the flimsy backcover that makes a squeeky noise now when I hold it, the kickstand as well is making a noise, wheres the WD-40! sorry I didn't clarify this.
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I have minor screen separation that I only noticed when I saw a mention of it while floating around. Yes, I admit the screen is coming up on mine. Lower left, gives a little bit of light leakage. But no one would notice it unless I pointed it out to them. Or they're already aware of the issue and they looked to see ... I don't really see the sinking thing. I feel like the screen seems pretty solid actually. Does this have anything to do with the folks talking about different displays or whatever? I dunno ... cause I definitely don't feel like my screen "sinks" when I man handle it.
I don't get a squeaky noise ... is this a sweaty hands to surface squeak?
My kick stand doesn't make a noise ... but it does get warm when I'm maxing my phone out .... as far as a noise I cannot honestly say I've heard this.

Remember to hold the iPhone 4 correctly.
With your fingertips.

I blame my ISP.
Sorry for the double post.

Tundricles said:
well its the screen separation (screen is sinking! barely push against it and it sinks in itself, affects accurate touch operations) and the flimsy backcover that makes a squeeky noise now when I hold it, the kickstand as well is making a noise, wheres the WD-40! sorry I didn't clarify this.
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Why don't you exchange it?

Tundricles said:
Build quality is superb
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You're kidding, right?

Beejis said:
My neighbor let me play with her iPhone for a little bit and imo, I hated the feel of it in my hand. I was more of a fan of the rounded back. The phone was fast but nothing that made me feel amazed. Overall I didn't feel like it was a worthy upgrade over the 3gs, but again I'm not a big Apple fan. For those that like/love the iPhone/Apple I'm sure you like it though.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g
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I totally get what you are saying. I almost felt that holding the phone vertically felt alright ... but sitting horizontally I wasn't entirely feeling it.
Although I should admit that there are some other phones out there that are entirely MORE uncomfortable. It's a matter of preference, I know, and even with that a lot of folks throw cases and what not on. I do not, so that's something I would be forced to get used to. Not cool.
Especially if forced to rock a bumper ... I would cry.
Well ... here ya go - no squeaky kickstand issues;
And to think everyone was laughing at the kickstands .... it just makes sense.
Who laughs now!!1! Who laughs now!

Onnia 7 QC issues?

(why is there no omnia 7 forum?)
I've just been told by t-mobile that the Omnia 7 has QC issues and their deliveries yesterday were returned to their suppliers, anyone know what these might be?

I just picked one up today from Orange!.. I wonder if mine is affected
I heard from vodafone store that their delivery of LG Optimus (Win7) came in and had to be recalled immediately without sale due to a bluetooth issue.

The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?

Much more solid than I was expecting. I thought it would feel like a light plastic shell like the Samsung Galaxy S.
It really is very nice, no creaks, just a solid slab of deep black technology! Good times.
The back is actually wrapped in metal to the edge of the screen on the sides, it is only the top and bottom of the device which are solid plastic sort-of-cap/ends of the device.
You definitely can't call it a unibody (or can you?..) but as I say... sort of mostly 'wrapped' in a sheet of metal.
It was a close call between the (SAMOLED) Omnia and the (very nice crisp LCD) HTC Mozart, the latter fits the hand better of course due to size, but in the end the slick all black face of the Omnia, adorned with its high contrast SAMOLED screen, just made it worth it despite the low actual PPI!
It would have been nice if the rockers and camera buttons where more metallic or... metal, but instead they are old school black plastic. They work well nonetheless.
The home button is also not the most premium of push switches (compared to iPhone of course) but it is nice to have a soild key!
I would urge you to get both of these devices side by side in the store if you can, but be careful because it took me at least 20 minutes to tell the man which one I wanted to take out lol...
Here are a few pics of the construction as links:

I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.

ryotgz said:
I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.
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It's very un-Microsoft!

Freypal said:
The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?
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Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.

ericc191 said:
Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.
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I've owned a few samsungs in the past (years ago lol), and they didn't give me any trouble. I suppose it was before the major smartphone race of the the last few years though haha.
I only went for the Omnia after holding it myself, there was no way I was going to order a Samsung phone without getting into a store and exploring it - but it was more solid than expected.
Hopefully if there are any support problems in the future, I will just take it to the high street store I got it from and play super dumb and demand a replacement or different phone lol... no harm done.
It seems like a negative thing to say but keep in mind that the phone really is good right now, no problems at all, everything works perfectly so far.
Note for those not in the know: the location based issues of Android Samsungs are not present here! On maps it focuses down with GSM triangulation and GPS pinpoint kicks in a couple of seconds later, super speedy!

Well that's a relief. I suppose the biggest factor that makes it feel so much better is that it's got some metal, right?

Mine's just arrived.
First impressions are very good. It feels very sturdy with no creaks and the metal casing is nice. It feels much more solid than my HTC Blackstone, although I am worried about such a large screen getting damaged!
It's going to have to stay off whilst the sim card registers. Annoying wait ahead!

How come you got this over the mozart?

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How come you got this over the mozart?
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I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!

Freypal said:
I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!
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For web browsing I might have thought it possibly more comfortable to use the Mozart's SLCD with RGB pixels (higher subpixel count) if you have good eyes that is lol.
I just cant get over how amazing the 4" SAMOLED looks though...
Because of the all black screen surround, and the nature of the WP7 text laid out to the edge of the screen, it sort of looks like your phone is just one massive display, which a lot of it is... lol
The blacks of the SAMOLED just merge with the black surround! So cool.
Where does the screen end?! lol
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I am a happy omnia 7 owner. Just like what the other said, solid construction, beautiful screen.
But the build in app is sub-par (vs lg optimus) and I hope I don't regret choosing a device with 8GB of storage.
Cheers

A user over on MoDaCo forums is reporting that their T-Mobile account manager has told them that the Omnia 7 has been temporarily pulled due to software issues.
I've been waiting on one of these for some time as well, and was told today that their most recent update for handset stocks (issued internally today) did not include a new batch of Omnia 7s. The CSR I spoke to wouldn't be drawn on any specific problems with the handset, except to say that "there have been a few issues" with the ones we've received, and that I would be receiving a call in due course to let me know when mine would be delivered.
Does anyone else know anything about this?

gcaw - apparently they have dispatched Omnia 7's now on T-mobile, so I'd get on the phone ASAP.

risq - many thanks for letting me know about that. As it happens, fifteen hours after I'd made my previous post, I received a call from T-Mobile to let me know that they had stock and confirming delivery later today, but I'm grateful that you informed me of that - and hopefully others will have taken note of that information and successfully placed orders themselves.
I was also pleased to hear from the CSR (the same one I spoke to yesterday) that T-Mobile is extending the same deal to new Omnia 7 owners as it offers to Android buyers, giving 3GB of monthly data usage at no additional cost, rather than the standard 1GB offered under the fair usage policy for other handsets.
Compared with the rather pitiful 500MB offered on O2's contracts, that's a pretty awesome deal.

QC seems top notch!
Posted this on another forum. I'm happy about the build:
Well it had to happen sooner or later, in under a week I've dropped the Omnia 7 while lazily trying to hit snooze just moments ago (typing this message with my phone now lol). Dropped from about table height, and while it was dark, sounded like it landed on a corner first... Picked it up in the dark and dropped it again, this time hitting face flat on the ground.. My floors got a wood finish on top of a normal concrete slab so its pretty solid. Shocked and not feeling so lazy anymore, turned lights on, inspected phone, and absolutely no scratches to be seen...i think this is due to the matte looking polycarbonate plastic they use, plus the color looking like its been amalgamated with the actual plastic, I say this because I remember on my htc touch HD the bezel would scratch/chip so easily because all it was was some cheap paint over plastic/metal? As for glass, i read it's gorilla glass, whether or not it is, I'm glad it isn't scratched... My screen protector can't come soon enough,
Either way, I'm glad to know the Omnia7 is a solid beast . Though in truth, after dropping it, my excitement and feelings of it being a new toy has slightly washed off... My feeling now is 'it might be damaged somewhere'

A really disappointing phone

I was lucky enough to be able to 'upgrade' my Samsung Galaxy Note to an Xperia Z at no cost (company deal) and after three days of use I am really disappointed - if not frustrated - with the Sony. I was attracted to the combination of screen size and thinness of the design, but usability-wise, this phone is a let down for me. I probably take/make only a handful of calls per day and the phone is used mostly as a work support tool/mini tablet (email, rss feeds, news, server/network status reports from our monitoring tools). Here's my thoughts so far:
1) Performance - great & battery drain/hour seems to be less than the Note for similar tasks.
2) Connector covers - AARGH! - what a pain to have to keep flipping them open for headphones and charging. Fair enough - I see why they exist and if I specifically bought the phone for its water-resistant features then perhaps I'd appreciate them more, but as things stand I'm tempted to rip/cut them off! (but won't)
3) USB connector is on the top left side - that really makes for a badly-positioned, hanging-out lead when the phone's in a car dock or charging on the desk and you want to pick it up for a call. I'm really used to all my previous phones (HTC Touch Pro, HTC Touch Pro II, HTC Desire, Samsung G. Note) having the USB port at the bottom - which has also meant that the same dock could be used for different phones.
4) Phone power button is on the right side, in the middle - totally obscured when in a car dock so here' s the scenario: Phone is in satnav mode (Yay Waze!). Phone rings, call is answered and phone speaker turned on. Call ends, and phone has locked itself, so to get back to satnav, you have to remove the phone from the dock to press the power button - OH for a power/wake up button on the face of the phone! Maybe there's a util for this?
5) The screen is really hard to view outdoors, even in moderate sunlight (Yeah, I have tried with the 'adapt to lighting conditions' feature off). The Note is much better in this respect
6) Sound output is from the bottom, right edge of the phone...so hold the phone in your right hand and you muffle the audio when listening to music or watching a video.
7) Where's my white cotton gloves? This phone looks awful after 5 mins in your hand - marks everywhere on the glossy black finish. Can't wait for my soft protective back/cover to arrive and then only the face of the phone will look like it's been dipped in grease.
8) RSI - holding this phone for any length of time as a tablet (for reading news, emails etc.) makes my hand hurt - it's worse than the (bigger) Note - probably because the Sony is so thin that the pinch/holding grip is different.
SO: 11/10 for looks, but 5/10 for functionality.
I can't complain about the opportunity to have this phone, but I have just ordered a micro SIM adaptor so I can use the Note again as my main phone and the Xperia Z will go to someone else.

Another pointless thread..

This post is not only pointless,but these things are so minor and 90% persional taste.
And while on that subject,wtf is with hating on the damn flaps.Even if the phone was not waterproof,I like my phone smooth,not with 5 holes on each side that make rings on my fingers.I get its annoying to open and close them,but if you are not using headphones 30 times a day...I dont get the issue. Btw if you hate them so much,buy a dock and NFC headphones and you dont ever have to open flaps in your life

useless thread....nothing constructive out of this at all.

2) use docking station and bluetooth headset
4) use a different car dock
7) i don't have oily fingers, so no problem here

Don't think many will feel you're pain here guy.
This would have taken you about 5 min to check out beforehand.
Buying a waterproof phone to bash it's flaps is kind of silly if you ask me.

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4) Phone power button is on the right side, in the middle - totally obscured when in a car dock so here' s the scenario: Phone is in satnav mode (Yay Waze!). Phone rings, call is answered and phone speaker turned on. Call ends, and phone has locked itself, so to get back to satnav, you have to remove the phone from the dock to press the power button - OH for a power/wake up button on the face of the phone! Maybe there's a util for this?
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Buy a new dock , personally I really like the positioning when handling the phone, I'm glad it is not on top as it would made one handed use not as easy as it is now
linker3000 said:
5) The screen is really hard to view outdoors, even in moderate sunlight (Yeah, I have tried with the 'adapt to lighting conditions' feature off). The Note is much better in this respect
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Strange I really liked the display in the sun, maybe a sharp vs JDI panel?
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6) Sound output is from the bottom, right edge of the phone...so hold the phone in your right hand and you muffle the audio when listening to music or watching a video.
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This phone has a very special feature, you can rotate the phone , although for some (stupid) reason this doesn't seem to work in portrait
linker3000 said:
8) RSI - holding this phone for any length of time as a tablet (for reading news, emails etc.) makes my hand hurt - it's worse than the (bigger) Note - probably because the Sony is so thin that the pinch/holding grip is different.
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I had this at first, but not any longer, at first I held it like I did with my arc, but this phone requires different handling to be comfortable, depending on my sitting position it rests on my pink an slightly in my palm (the arc was mainly in the palm of my hand). Or it lays flat in my hand.

U should have no problem with power button and screen size if u came from galaxy note as they r similar.
But I am with you with outdoor sunlight
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Want to sell it?? My friend likes mine very much but don't have enough money!

The bad thing about the phone is the poor low light camera quality, think the rest of the phone is amazing..

6. Position is excellent. As the majority of people hold devices right handed, if held in the correct position the hand naturally amplifies the volume.
2. You're going to have to try hard to 'out-stupid' yourself on that one!

AW: A really disappointing phone
stefanve said:
*snip* it rests on my pink an slightly in my palm (the arc was mainly in the palm of my hand). Or it lays flat in my hand.
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Jup.
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*snip* poor low light camera quality
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Hmmm... 9pm the snowy one, 3am the in-car one. Quite dark on both occasions.
Berlin btw in case you wonder

Can't we just open a thread stating stop *****ing and opening pointless threads. Don't like the phone then **** off and get something else!!!!
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I too have come from a Note, and to be quite honest with you, I dont think I'll be going back to Samsung any time soon.
First thing you notice is the build quality. Its 100x times better on the Z and I'm not sure how such a popular manufacture can still get away with shoddy quality.
I think the screen is quite fantastic, I was a fan of AMOLED until I saw this 1080p beauty! Its just amazing. I cannot see any pixels no matter how hard I try! The UI is much better, much more lightweight and responsive.
It's just better than the Note IMO. The only thing letting it down is battery life at the moment.

To OP:
Bro,
If you like the phone, rave about it. If you don't like it, quietly sell it and don't set foot here. You'll be flamed! LOL

I Laughed at this

abd_alazeez2002 said:
U should have no problem with power button and screen size if u came from galaxy note as they r similar.
But I am with you with outdoor sunlight
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Nope - the Note has a hard button below the display - but that particular annoyance has been fixed with an app called Auto Screen On and I can now wake up the display by waving near the proximity sensor.
Thanks to all for the constructive feedback and sorry to all those who think that personal observations on usage patterns and ergonomics are pointless.

MasK said:
To OP:
Bro,
If you like the phone, rave about it. If you don't like it, quietly sell it and don't set foot here. You'll be flamed! LOL
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Nah - that's too easy!
If no-one posted honest, objective feedback how are phone designers and potential users going to know whether there's things that can be done to make the current or next product even better, or whether the phone is the best fit for their particular circumstances.

DeadlyDazza said:
6. Position is excellent. As the majority of people hold devices right handed, if held in the correct position the hand naturally amplifies the volume.
2. You're going to have to try hard to 'out-stupid' yourself on that one!
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Ah- the 'you're holding it wrong' defence!
I understand that a certain brand of ruggedised phone has connector covers with small screws securing them so you can remove them if you want, or if one should be accidentally damaged and need replacing - I am told the screwdriver is supplied in the box too.

khsbenny said:
I too have come from a Note, and to be quite honest with you, I dont think I'll be going back to Samsung any time soon.
First thing you notice is the build quality. Its 100x times better on the Z and I'm not sure how such a popular manufacture can still get away with shoddy quality.
I think the screen is quite fantastic, I was a fan of AMOLED until I saw this 1080p beauty! Its just amazing. I cannot see any pixels no matter how hard I try! The UI is much better, much more lightweight and responsive.
It's just better than the Note IMO. The only thing letting it down is battery life at the moment.
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Have to agree on build quality - it's a very 'smart' smartphone. It's just some of the functional design that doesn't work for me.

Wanna buy S4, but and but...need 'serious' opinions please...

Hi, this is a Note 2 user, and I have been using it for past 9 months, now I am interested in S4, the reason is 'SIZE' and size only. BUT I have been told that it has some serious build quality (screen breaking!) issues! And I have read that topic in General section too, which is very disappointing to say the least. I often use my phone in jeans pocket, that's why I am even more worried. Really, it can break that easy? I mean you put it in your pocket, drive for some time, and then when you take it out the screen is broke? What the !!!
I live in India, and I would also like to know that if the screen does break does it come under warranty in that case? Cause I won't be spending 120 bucks (or whatever the price is of a new display) every time it breaks.
If there is any other problem other than the above issue do also let me know.
I know this is a S4 section and asking something about S4 here will mostly give me positive reviews, but kindly, for one second don't be biased :laugh: and help this dude out
Thanks in advance.

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Hi, this is a Note 2 user, and I have been using it for past 9 months, now I am interested in S4, the reason is 'SIZE' and size only. BUT I have been told that it has some serious build quality (screen breaking!) issues! And I have read that topic in General section too, which is very disappointing to say the least. I often use my phone in jeans pocket, that's why I am even more worried. Really, it can break that easy? I mean you put it in your pocket, drive for some time, and then when you take it out the screen is broke? What the !!!
I live in India, and I would also like to know that if the screen does break does it come under warranty in that case? Cause I won't be spending 120 bucks (or whatever the price is of a new display) every time it breaks.
If there is any other problem other than the above issue do also let me know.
I know this is a S4 section and asking something about S4 here will mostly give me positive reviews, but kindly, for one second don't be biased :laugh: and help this dude out
Thanks in advance.
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Hi
About phone build quality, i got nothing bad to say, i also wear my phone in jeans almost all the time and i don't even have one scratch on it, so don't worry about that.
About those lag problems, i really didn't encounter neither one tiny lag, i have 32gb octa core version, so you don't have to worry about screen or anything else
I hope i helped
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jujuburi said:
Hi, this is a Note 2 user, and I have been using it for past 9 months, now I am interested in S4, the reason is 'SIZE' and size only. BUT I have been told that it has some serious build quality (screen breaking!) issues! And I have read that topic in General section too, which is very disappointing to say the least. I often use my phone in jeans pocket, that's why I am even more worried. Really, it can break that easy? I mean you put it in your pocket, drive for some time, and then when you take it out the screen is broke? What the !!!
I live in India, and I would also like to know that if the screen does break does it come under warranty in that case? Cause I won't be spending 120 bucks (or whatever the price is of a new display) every time it breaks.
If there is any other problem other than the above issue do also let me know.
I know this is a S4 section and asking something about S4 here will mostly give me positive reviews, but kindly, for one second don't be biased :laugh: and help this dude out
Thanks in advance.
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my friend has also got a note 2, and i can say that the s4 is a lot better then the note 2.
putting it in your jeans no prob.
if you turn of some Samsung stuff, no lag
and you can always install cm so you have zero lag.

I have dropped mine with a spigen case on about 5times once on concrete and im 6ft 5 so quite a drop and no problems. As for in jeans I always keep it in my front pocket amd never had a problem I lie on the couch forget my s4 is in my pocket and roll around on it. Build quality is fine.
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I have been using my s4 for a while now and haven't experience any problem concerning screen issues, It dropped a few times and the screen survived... but if you are so worried about the build issue there's always the option of extra protection such as a shock proof case. There is many out there, up for grabs. And trust me you will find the case saving your phones a lot of times from what could have been a total wreckage.
So get yourself a somewhat shock proof case and a screen protect (even though its not really needed, the extra protection is always good) and you will be good to go. You will phone will remain in tact for a prolong period.

Personally, I find that the build quality for the S4 is pretty okay (in the almost 2 wks that I've owned this phone). The SAMOLED cracking problem also worried me but what I surmise is that the problem is caused by 1 of 3 things: improper cases (or lack thereof) for the phone size, wearing restrictive clothing or extreme temperature fluctuation (from ice cold to hot). With enough applied pressure, I can see the phone twisting thereby allowing the SAMOLED to give and crack without breaking the gorilla glass. In order to counter that, I opted to get a rugged, more sturdy case (Otterbox Defender) than my usual TPU ones. It does provide a bit of comfort because this thing has a hard shell on the inside and I don't feel like the phone will try to conform to the shape of my leg when in my jeans pocket. As for the extreme temperatures, it never actually got very cold this winter, so I'm not to worried about coming into the house from out in the cold.

while i read that some people have even managed to break the screen by only holding it in their hands using it, my phone is still ok. i'm also having it in my jeans pocket. those who broke their phones almost never say which pocket they had the phone in. many people put it in the back pocket... i wouldn't do that with any phone.
except a few bugs in cm i dont have anything negative to say about the phone.

As a former Note 2 owner i like this phone better because of the better camera, crisp screen quality and descent batterylife (off course not better than the GN2). Also size wise it is better to handle than the Note2. I think overall the S4 it is a big improvement over the Note2. Just my 2 cents

I'm also in the same predicament. Currently using a Note 2 but it's size..is both a boon and a bane. Considering the s4 now hoping that 5" screen size would hit the sweet spot. Was using a s3 previously.

Thanks for the replies. However I didn't want to hear about lag and CM thingy. So I take it that there is NO major issues with the build quality. Good. I am going for it then.
One more thing, on Note 2, with S Pen it acted as a mouse on some webpages, like when you hover the S Pen on a sub-link it would show the additional options under that link, now I know that S4 has some air gestures with fingers, but is that feature enabled in web browser?

jujuburi said:
Thanks for the replies. However I didn't want to hear about lag and CM thingy. So I take it that there is NO major issues with the build quality. Good. I am going for it then.
One more thing, on Note 2, with S Pen it acted as a mouse on some webpages, like when you hover the S Pen on a sub-link it would show the additional options under that link, now I know that S4 has some air gestures with fingers, but is that feature enabled in web browser?
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Yes but it only enlarges and gives you a preview of the page if you hover over it with your finger afaik.

jujuburi said:
Thanks for the replies. However I didn't want to hear about lag and CM thingy. So I take it that there is NO major issues with the build quality. Good. I am going for it then.
One more thing, on Note 2, with S Pen it acted as a mouse on some webpages, like when you hover the S Pen on a sub-link it would show the additional options under that link, now I know that S4 has some air gestures with fingers, but is that feature enabled in web browser?
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So far the Air View is enabled in the stock browser but only allows you to magnify the content when you hover your fingers over a particular content. As for the additional options, I don't think that feature is enabled as yet. Hopefully it is in the near feature.
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Yeah, okay, I'll have to give up that feature, as well as all the S Pen features, and a great battery backup and maybe some other things, anyway, will have to digest them. I just can't stand huge size anymore.
Thanks all for the replies. Coming in this section within a week.
P.S.: One last thing, I'll get the white one, I guess there is no difference/problem with it in comparison to Black one? Cause with Note 2 it was a different thing, the White model had correct LED colours, while the Grey had not! Anything like that?
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buy i9505 one..more custom roms and porting google play edition rom.

jujuburi said:
Yeah, okay, I'll have to give up that feature, as well as all the S Pen features, and a great battery backup and maybe some other things, anyway, will have to digest them. I just can't stand huge size anymore.
Thanks all for the replies. Coming in this section within a week.
P.S.: One last thing, I'll get the white one, I guess there is no difference/problem with it in comparison to Black one? Cause with Note 2 it was a different thing, the White model had correct LED colours, while the Grey had not! Anything like that?
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No, there's no difference with the colours.. There's only variants differences like I9500 and I9505... But you can get either black or white with either and have the same features with respect to their variant.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the LG V30, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the LG V30 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

This is my first Android device since the original Moto X, which I only purchased to find out a little about Android.
I was not impressed with the Apple rollout this year, even though I've bought a new iPhone every autumn for ten years. I don't like the fight between Apple and Qualcomm, which has caused them to turn off some features on the Qualcomm chips so that nobody who gets an Intel modem feels inferior.
So far I'm enjoying the V30, although I am having a problem getting used to the keyboard. I know that an iPhone will kick its ass in benchmarks, but for everyday use, it hasn't mattered much yet.
Tremendous audio with a headset, and not ½ bad audio through Bluetooth or tethering.

Just compared headphone output from my T-mobile v30 to my wifes iphone x using my Shure 846's. No comparison, iphone blows away v30. Half the volume from iphone is equal to full volume on my v30 and v30 is supposed to have the built-in DAC! What gives? Makes no sense to me. I bought this phone thinking I could finally listen without dragging my Dragonfly around, but not happening this time around. The only music loud enough using v30 is loudly mastered, brick-walled music, which I rarely listen to. I usually listen to either Tidal or my own digitized vinyl rips. Very disappointing.

mistemuse said:
Just compared headphone output from my T-mobile v30 to my wifes iphone x using my Shure 846's. No comparison, iphone blows away v30. Half the volume from iphone is equal to full volume on my v30 and v30 is supposed to have the built-in DAC! What gives? Makes no sense to me. I bought this phone thinking I could finally listen without dragging my Dragonfly around, but not happening this time around. The only music loud enough using v30 is loudly mastered, brick-walled music, which I rarely listen to. I usually listen to either Tidal or my own digitized vinyl rips. Very disappointing.
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Just asking, do you have the quad DAC enabled? It's a setting you have to turn on, not sure why it's not enabled by default.
There's also this, which is well-written and I'm quoting from another thread, one specifically devoted to the quad DAC and loudness:
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QuadDAC is not about loudness, it's about quality and fidelity of sound. It won't blow your eardrums with MP3s
It's not 75. Android has 16 grades of sound volume in stock, it's 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 .... 15, 16.
16 being loudest. If every 15 is divided in 5 it's give us 75= 15*5
So that's why V20 has only 75 grades, it's not that there's some magic extra 25 to 100, for they don't exist in Android. But you may get like 34% of loudness or 68% which you can't have in another Android phones, for they have 5% steps only
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@mistemuse, you seem to be confusing the quad DAC with the amp.
https://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-audio-797447/
The chip features stereo quad parallel delta sigma converter channels with a 32-bit interpolation filter for a low noise conversion process, which ESS calls its HyperStream II architecture. For the spec insatiable audiophiles, the ES9218 boasts 2.0Vrms output, 130 dB SNR and -114 dB Total Harmonic Distortion, and support for up to 32-bit 384kHz PCM and DSD256 file formats. Of course, real world additional circuit performance, required drive from the amp, and input file type will affect these stats somewhat, but they’re impressive nonetheless.
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But it should be loud enough if you have it enabled.

Yes, the DAC is automatically enabled as soon as I plug-in my cans. But really, weather it's enabled or not the degree of loudness appears the same to me. Also, before I bought this phone I thought I read many claims that the v30 in addition to a DAC, also had an amp as well. Maybe I was just being hope-full. In regards to the Android grade system that is mentioned, one need look no further than Phone Arena reviews, where they measure headphone output, and the v30 finished below the Note. One would think that if you were to brag about the audio in a phone that loudness would be cranked up as well because I do not know any audio lover that doesn't like their music loud. If HTC can do it why not LG?

This post makes no sense to me. The v30 DAC only works with wired headphones, the apple x is Bluetooth only. Is there something I am missing?

Yes you did. An adapter is provided with just about any phone that does not come with a headphone jack, enabling you to listen wired.

Rideit12 said:
This post makes no sense to me. The v30 DAC only works with wired headphones, the apple x is Bluetooth only. Is there something I am missing?
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No, you didn't really miss anything. There are people who are apologists for bad designs. (Any phone without a headset jack.) Apple isn't "Bluetooth only" -- but by removing the headset jack they are forcing you in that direction. You can't listen and charge at the same time (with the dongle they provide).
OR you can BUY a $35 dongle which lets you listen and charge at the same time. Apple took away functionality and then charging you money to add it back.
You have to carry an extra dongle around, which you can lose. Or you can buy their expensive headset buds. BINGO! After making fun of Apple last year for doing that, Google joined them this year in the biggest show of hypocrisy in a long, long time.
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Yes you did. An adapter is provided with just about any phone that does not come with a headphone jack, enabling you to listen wired.
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Yes, one of many dongles Apple makes -- so you can have back the functionality they took away in the first place.
You have to carry dongles around, which you can lose -- instead of having the 3.5mm headset jack in the first place. LG and Samsung have IP68 (higher) rating WITH a headset jack than Apple's IP67 rating WITHOUT a headset jack. So, had nothing to do with water/dust resistance, but instead trying to force you to use their pricey Bluetooth earbuds.
Samsung even made a video mocking Apple for such nonsense (including other dubious design decisions over the years).
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No password possible?
Total thread drift here, but is it possible to run the v30 with no password or fingerprint Id? I personally have no use for it...

I thought this review reflected the V30 very well. Also, the reference to the iPhone X having a unibrow sums up my take on that.

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Total thread drift here, but is it possible to run the v30 with no password or fingerprint Id? I personally have no use for it...
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The only problem with that is your display then is never locked. It's unlocked. You stick your phone in your pocket and the display can turn on and is ACTIVE. You can accidentally dial people, send garbled text messages, turn on apps, etc. aka "butt dialing", due to pressure on the active display. You really need to not only turn off the display, but lock it. Even a swipe gesture can be simulated with pressure in your pocket. I've seen many people complain about it, but the only solution is to lock the display so it can only be unlocked with a pattern/pin/fingerprint.
I set my phone to lock the display immediately every time I turn off the display. I then use a pattern to unlock the display when I turn it back on. When I get my LG V30, I will most probably use the fingerprint sensor.

Just got the V30+ (Black) and wow.. this thing is a beauty! Feels premium in the hand and looks stunning. Screen is almost perfect, wonderful colors, very sharp and super bright. The only issue here is the relatively narrow viewing angles. Far from a deal breaker for me, but it's up to you I guess.
I'll have to use it few days for a final opinion but so far I think this one is a winner. BTW, no uniformity issue here.

galr said:
Just got the V30+ (Black) and wow.. this thing is a beauty! Feels premium in the hand and looks stunning. Screen is almost perfect, wonderful colors, very sharp and super bright. The only issue here is the relatively narrow viewing angles. Far from a deal breaker for me, but it's up to you I guess.
I'll have to use it few days for a final opinion but so far I think this one is a winner. BTW, no uniformity issue here.
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Very interested in design.
It looks so bland in pictures.... Does it really strike you as different?

kolembo said:
Very interested in design.
It looks so bland in pictures.... Does it really strike you as different?
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Yes, definitely.
The black version is a beauty in my opinion.. feels and looks very premium.
The only problem with the design, and sadly it's a disease we have on most phones.. curved screen.
Screen protectors just don't like curved screens. It doesn't look as impressive when the edges of the screen protector don't have 100% contact with the screen.. you know how it.
Personally I'll take flat screen any day.
Given that all phones are curved a bit on the edges..I had the chose the best one for me , the V30.
Keep in mind, it does collect smudges and fingerprints easily.
Overall I am really happy with it.
Again, downsides : Narrow viewing angles, selfie camera, curved screen.
Battery life is great so far, we don't have AT&T here so no bloat. I get around 5 hours SOT with about 20 hours on battery and still have around 30% left.

galr said:
Yes, definitely.
The black version is a beauty in my opinion.. feels and looks very premium.
The only problem with the design, and sadly it's a disease we have on most phones.. curved screen.
Screen protectors just don't like curved screens. It doesn't look as impressive when the edges of the screen protector don't have 100% contact with the screen.. you know how it.
Personally I'll take flat screen any day.
Given that all phones are curved a bit on the edges..I had the chose the best one for me , the V30.
Keep in mind, it does collect smudges and fingerprints easily.
Overall I am really happy with it.
Again, downsides : Narrow viewing angles, selfie camera, curved screen.
Battery life is great so far, we don't have AT&T here so no bloat. I get around 5 hours SOT with about 20 hours on battery and still have around 30% left.
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I've got the unlocked v30 in silver. Overall, I'm happy so far, but not wowed by the design. It is nice and light and thin. I agree with your comments about the curved screen. I'm glad that the v30 screen is less curved than others. I went with a wet application screen guard made by skinomi. Happy with it so far. The edges haven't peeled up. If you go this route, you need to spend a lot of time with the installation to make sure the edges stay down. Hairdryer was key for me.
I'm coming from a LG G5. The one thing I noticed was that the whites were way whiter on the g5 than the v30.
Regarding your comment on viewing angles, how did you come to that opinion? I find them to be quite good. Did you run a test or use a display app to analyze the angles or is it just your day to day experience?

Chiming in for the V30S, essentially similar to V30 except for bump to 6GB RAM and 128GB internal storage.
I'm extremely happy with this phone.
With Soundmagic E80 headphones which trigger high impedance mode of the HiFi DAC set to "slow" filter, the audio is phenomenal - this is the main reason I bought this phone. The SD835 with 6GB is much smoother and faster than my previous phone with SD808 and 3GB. Display is fine, none of the issues reported with early V30's, the "comfort mode" to reduce blue light is a plus too. Fingerprint reader works well, a new convenience for me. Lighter and thinner than my last phone. Great battery performance. QC 3.0 is a substantial improvement over QC 2.0 and there are a lot of aftermarket chargers which also means some with safety certifications. Bootloader unlock and root, with the stuff you can do with that including Ti Backup with the bloatware freezing , AdAway, and YouTube adaway and background play (thanks XDA community!). IP68 and some degree of ruggedness. I load FLACs to feed the DAC so 128 GB storage was nice to find with the added SD slot (watching for mass market 512GB cards soon).
Only a couple niggles: The WiFi (client mode) does not handle same-SSID AP handoffs very well, it hangs my app streaming FLACs from an NAS when a handoff occurs (my last two phones could keep the app going through a handoff). Not a showstopper, the workaround is to use a single 2.4GHz AP so no handoff occurs (2.4GHz has enough range to cover my whole house). The longer screen makes one-handed use more difficult at times, trying to reach both the top and bottom which are father apart. Um, that's about it for the negatives so far. Others may have more problems but I keep things simple, no auto-brightness, no voice assistant, Nova Launcher with the obnoxious Google search field banished, no active wallpaper, LG keyboard replaced with Gboard minus the fancy stuff, privacy invasions, and built-in Google search, etc.
Really pleased so far. The B&H $250 discount deal was nice too, getting all this at the discounted price is a great deal.

Coming from the Apple environment, I'm very pleased. I've rediscovered that you CAN configure your phone to suit your personality and your needs, rather than what Apple thinks that we should consider important. And I'm absolutely ecstatic to still be using my wired headphone... and no... I don't care what the Bluetooth consortium maintains, Bluetooth 5 still does not come close to the quality and reliability of a quality pair of headphones through a properly supported 3.5 headphone jack. Apple is making a mint out of royalties to ensure compatibility with their wireless connected devices, (not to mention those ugly wireless headset they sell for around $149). Sure, I miss Facetime. And to a certain extent I also miss iMessage. But I'll stick to a device that I can use in accordance to my own needs... not Apple's. Pretty happy with my LG V30 ThinQ, so far.

Very satisfying device overall, coming back to LG, after the G4. Had Nokia 8 and Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 in between.

My LG V30 got a bit bored and I looked at the market - what interesting is available?
And it turns out that absolutely nothing can replace this phone!
All new smartphones are thicker, larger, or lacking in functionality such as wireless charging or water resistance. None has such a headphone amplifier!
The only smartphone that I thought about for a moment is the new Samsung S20 without plus, but I gave up.
Poorly functioning fingerprint reader under the screen (I love the clickable button with the scanner on the back), no 3.5mm jack, ugly island with lenses on the back ...
There is no alternative for me on the market.

figer said:
My LG V30 got a bit bored and I looked at the market - what interesting is available?
And it turns out that absolutely nothing can replace this phone!
All new smartphones are thicker, larger, or lacking in functionality such as wireless charging or water resistance. None has such a headphone amplifier!
The only smartphone that I thought about for a moment is the new Samsung S20 without plus, but I gave up.
Poorly functioning fingerprint reader under the screen (I love the clickable button with the scanner on the back), no 3.5mm jack, ugly island with lenses on the back ...
There is no alternative for me on the market.
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I know. This V30 series and the 2018 V35 -- which was an upgraded V30 (basically a V40 built in a V30 frame with NO notch) -- was the height of design and functionality. If only I could find the 128GB V35+... (only shipped to Brazil and I can't find any online).