As reported at BGR, I too have noticed a slightly purple/red tint to my AT&T N1 vs. the TMO version I've been using on AT&T's network when compared side-by-side. The TMO version almost seems like it has a yellow tint in comparison, and is certainly warmer as far as color temp goes.
Anyone else here in the forum have both versions and can report on how their screens compare? I'm debating whether it's worth sending this back but would first like to know if there are any AT&T screens that do NOT exhibit this appearance when shown side-by-side with the TMO counterpart.
Please share your experience if you own both or can compare to a friend's!
boygeniusreport.com/2010/03/18/google-nexus-one-for-att-shipping-with-bad-displays/
(sorry for not using hyperlink - forum rules for new users)
I just have the AT&T but I LOVE the screen.
The viewing angle, brightness, color pop are the best ive seen on any phone.
akgrown said:
As reported at BGR, I too have noticed a slightly purple/red tint to my AT&T N1 vs. the TMO version I've been using on AT&T's network when compared side-by-side. The TMO version almost seems like it has a yellow tint in comparison, and is certainly warmer as far as color temp goes.
Anyone else here in the forum have both versions and can report on how their screens compare? I'm debating whether it's worth sending this back but would first like to know if there are any AT&T screens that do NOT exhibit this appearance when shown side-by-side with the TMO counterpart.
Please share your experience if you own both or can compare to a friend's!
boygeniusreport.com/2010/03/18/google-nexus-one-for-att-shipping-with-bad-displays/
(sorry for not using hyperlink - forum rules for new users)
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LOL fricken BGR. Such Apple fanboys, publicizing every single negative rumor (without sources or data of course) they can to make Android look bad.
I like the latest guy's comments:
While I generally enjoy reading the latest rumors and non-news on BGR, I have to say that this post is pretty poor. Besides being terribly written (hard to even tell what the writer’s point is after 1st 3 sentences), it is so incredibly vague on details as to be meaningless. What exactly does “We’ve confirmed that this is happening to more than just our device” mean? Is there some reason the author is withholding this important bit of info? Is it one other device, 5, 20, 50? Give me a break. If you’re going to go about leveling claims like this, at least have _some_ semblance of not being total bs, really now.
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I unsubscribed to BGR in Google Reader months ago after reading this particular piece of /facepalm: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/09/google-android-personal-thoughts/
BGR is nothing but Apple fanboy POS. It's no wonder Marc Flores left to techcrunch.com.
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LOL fricken BGR. Such Apple fanboys, publicizing every single negative rumor (without sources or data of course) they can to make Android look bad.
I like the latest guy's comments:
I unsubscribed to BGR in Google Reader months ago after reading this particular piece of /facepalm: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/09/google-android-personal-thoughts/
BGR is nothing but Apple fanboy POS. It's no wonder Marc Flores left to techcrunch.com.
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I've gotta say that while I think he is mistaken on some points, I gotta agree with the feel of the article on that one (the one that made you unsubscribe), and I'm about as anti-Apple as it gets.
Yeah, BGR can be great for product leaks to stay abreast of what's coming down the road, but they can definitely be biased.
It's not the end of the world, and I may not have noticed it if I hadn't put the units side-by-side - just trying to determine if this screen behavior is in the minority and actually a manufacturing defect. I'd be less interested if I hadn't just plunked down $579 ($50 WA sales tax) - you want to get what you pay for!
Mostly I'm just anxious to root this and get CM & the undervolted kernel up and running, like I have on my TMO unit. Don't want to unlock the bootloader though if it's heading back to the GOOG mothership.
wow, that drive me crazy, i have 2 units, the "old" in the left and the atnt in the right:
I got my AT&T N1 yesterday and yes, there is a more noticeable purple hue on its display compared to the 2 month old N1 while on the lowest brightness setting.
Funny thing is, I seem to recall my original N1 having a purple hue on the lowest brightness too, but then that was two months ago. Does the display change over time or am I mistaken?
Either way, I'm not sending the phone back, it's minor.
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I got my AT&T N1 yesterday and yes, there is a more noticeable purple hue on its display compared to the 2 moth old N1 while on the lowest brightness setting.
Funny thing is, I seem to recall my original N1 having a purple hue on the lowest brightness too, but then that was two months ago. Does the display change over time or am I mistaken?
Either way, I'm not sending the phone back.
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Maybe the Nexus One has to age like a fine wine?
I see the difference but its not serious. Its a matter of opinion really. I like the warmer look of the T-Mo version but that wouldn't stop me from getting the AT&T version. I'd rather have a desire thought. Getting tired of waiting though so we will see.
Got my AT&T N1 on Wednesday. I haven't had any problems with the screen.
The blacks are black and the whites are eye-piercingly white (on max brightness -- just white white on dim/regular brightness).
Maybe bad sets? Maybe they need warming up?
Anyone got a link to a picture that should show purple hues on my screen?
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Got my AT&T N1 on Wednesday. I haven't had any problems with the screen.
The blacks are black and the whites are eye-piercingly white (on max brightness -- just white white on dim/regular brightness).
Maybe bad sets? Maybe they need warming up?
Anyone got a link to a picture that should show purple hues on my screen?
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+ one for a picture.
I can't tell a difference on mine, but I don't have a T-Mob one to compare with.
quaa said:
+ one for a picture.
+ one for pic.
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On second thought - maybe I'd rather not see a pic and smash my rose-colored perception of the phone? lol
Don't know if this is the best pic or not, but I find that the reference photos they use on dpreview.com for their camera reviews have a lot of good color references in them:
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Don't know if this is the best pic or not, but I find that the reference photos they use on dpreview.com for their camera reviews have a lot of good color references in them:
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Thank you so much for this. Upon loading this image up on my computer, and then loading it via the phone browser I can confirm that my ATT nexus one's screen is SPOT on for color balance [and I was a little afraid of what I'd find]. This is compared to a highly calibrated monitor used from print ad creation. Kudos HTC
super helpful post, thanks akgrown
be interesting to see what tmobile nexus one users might yeild from a similar test?
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wow, that drive me crazy, i have 2 units, the "old" in the left and the atnt in the right:
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Try the test image posted in this thread:
a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3s/samples/comparedto/boxraw/d3s-DSC_3302-acr.jpg
see which units are "closer" to true color? My ATT unit is spot on with its calibration.
No problem - glad you found it helpful! I'm going to try the same test myself, once I get home, against my calibrated PC monitor.
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My ATT unit is spot on with its calibration.
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As I said, BGR is nothing but a bunch of Apple fanboy garbage spewing out unsubstantiated Android hate for no reason.
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As I said, BGR is nothing but a bunch of Apple fanboy garbage spewing out unsubstantiated Android hate for no reason.
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Well, there's still the possibility that some units have a skewed color temp/saturation. I'm hoping my results will align with strongergodzilla's, tho.
Also, the tint is definitely most noticeable at the lowest brightness setting, so it might take a little tweaking of monitor brightness to compare apples to apples. However, if the colors match up at "normal" brightness levels, that's good enough for me.
here you go (from some angles), on the bottom is the atnt:
Actually in the past with the numerous iphones i had, there were many times when SERIAL numbers were passed around about which iphone series had a better screen and so on. Which turned out to be fairly true, it was merely a hardware change or different screen manufacturer source who knows. But i for some reason DOUBT its a quality control problem that me though
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Okay so I am on my third Vibrant. My first Vibrant was perfect in every way except battery (which seems to be a general issue) and the settings touchkey become unresponsive (which is the reason I changed it). I got my second replacement in the mail and noticed a huge different in screen colors:
hxxp://i36.tinypic.com/15gt5qs.jpg <--- I did not properly link cause this is a new account and I can't post a link of these forums.
The one on the left is the second Vibrant while the one on the right is the first Vibrant. Seeing other Vibrants - in videos, at the store, etc. - I figured my second Vibrant's screen was defective so I called in and had T-Mobile replace it again. However, the third Vibrant I just got seems to have the same problem as the second Vibrant.
(The first Vibrant was a 7/11, the second was a 7/19, and the third is a 7/18.)
I know here is already existing discussion about screen tints, but I am not sure if my problem is the same as that being already discussed, or if the new Vibrant's have different hardware than before (the software seems to be the same, with build date of 6/22).
Any input is greatly appreciated! I would really like the screen that my first Vibrant had, so if I have to I will go for a fourth replacement.
Thanks!
Seems like you created your own monster. I really don't know what you all are doing with your phones to create all of these problems but I haven't had any of these issues and Ive had the phone since day 1.
not sure if that's the best background to judge "color tint"
if it helps, looking at your pix and my phone, mine looks more like the one on the right, but a lot of that could be the color settings on my screen and the color balance you used in taking the picture
you might try, on android market is an app called "Color FLash" - it's a freebie, but it basically turn your screen all white (to use as a flashlight)
but in it you can adjust brightness or even select colors to display - you might download it, and set to full bright in white to see if or what tint the screen's showing
if it's only that settings page showing a brown tint, it could be in the software and to be frank, if that were the case i wouldn't worry about that page being brown tint
fwiw
No question in my mind there are significant variances amongst screens.
I got two Vibrants on the same day from a T-Mo store. My GF's screen was noticeably dimmer. When we dialed in the settings to give the same brightness, hers was a good deal warmer (aka: red). Mine is considerably cooler (aka: blue).
So... we went back the store a few days later to exchange hers. We had 4 Vibrants out at one time and none had the same screen characteristics. Mine was the brightest but bluest, the others mixes. She took the next brightest one that had a more neutral color cast.
This is either QC trouble at Samsung or the nature of the beast with AMOLED displays. Remember, OLED is new and immature. Blue OLEDs especially are proving to be a problem. We're on the bleeding edge.
With that said, and with what I've seen and read, I would not sweat the differences in screens unless the color cast is really screwy.
I think you should post your pics and discussion here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
that way we can keep tint problems all in one thread.
these phones all have different tints, makes no freaking sense to me why there are such fluctuations in QC and manufacturing. It is really starting to piss me off.
You walk into an Apple store, you see like 10 iPhones on display, the screen tints look identical on each one.
You put vibrants next to eachother, and each tint is different, from blue to blue/green, to yellow, to dingy dark yellow to brown.
I contacted samsung directly and let them know about the tint issue, the rep replies "we have never heard about this tint problem before, you are the first to report it."
YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME SAMSUNG. MY GOD
Perfect vibrant since day 1.
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Perfect vibrant since day 1.
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Funny. Have you compared to a few others?
SamsungGalaxySVibrant said:
I think you should post your pics and discussion here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
that way we can keep tint problems all in one thread.
these phones all have different tints, makes no freaking sense to me why there are such fluctuations in QC and manufacturing. It is really starting to piss me off.
You walk into an Apple store, you see like 10 iPhones on display, the screen tints look identical on each one.
You put vibrants next to eachother, and each tint is different, from blue to blue/green, to yellow, to dingy dark yellow to brown.
I contacted samsung directly and let them know about the tint issue, the rep replies "we have never heard about this tint problem before, you are the first to report it."
YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME SAMSUNG. MY GOD
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just buy an iPhone.
And that is not a fair comparison.
When was the last time you saw Apple using a SAMOLED screen.
They just use LCD.
Samsungs LCDs don't have tint problems.
this is a problem with the technology.
You should really do some more research instead of pulling the whole Apple is perfect BS.
So I have had my vibrant since the beginning. I just got my wife one and the weird thing is her screen is so much better than mine. Her screen does not have the greyish look in white colors. Its very bright and white. I have compared with brightness levels the same and on different roms with the same effect. The new vibrants screen looks so much better.
Sent from a Galaxy S far....far....away.
its the same...
happened to me yesterday when i got a new one as well..
A guy told me..
that it was because the stock kernel isn't trying to save battery, while the custom kernels you flash are saving battery so they lower their contrast, brightness etc.
Where as Stock kernels go full-out with everything at maximum
Hope i answered your question.
NO, newer Vibrant's don't have better screens. This is an old issue.
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So I have had my vibrant since the beginning. I just got my wife one and the weird thing is her screen is so much better than mine. Her screen does not have the greyish look in white colors. Its very bright and white. I have compared with brightness levels the same and on different roms with the same effect. The new vibrants screen looks so much better.
Has anyone else noticed this? Do the newer vibrants have a better screen?
Sent from a Galaxy S far....far....away.
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Ok this is an old issue. Newer Vibrants do not have better screens.
No two Vibrant screens are alike.
From it's release date, every single Vibrant was like a box of chocolates, you never knew what tint your display would be.
Some vibrants come with blue tint, others with grey, some yellow, some red, some brown.
It is a quality control issue and has nothing to do with the manufacture date.
Some links for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732247
http://androidforums.com/captivate-...r-amoled-blue-tint-screen-no-true-whites.html
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3464-blue-tint/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/35568-blue-tint-screen.html
http://android.bigresource.com/Samsung-Captivate-Super-Amoled-Blue-Tint-on-Screen-9YDGZWDH5.html
There are many more links about tint issues with super amoled. Like I said, no two screens are alike, and trying to get a replacement might get you one with an even uglier tint.
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Ok this is an old issue. Newer Vibrants DO NOT have better screens.
NO TWO Vibrant screens are alike.
From it's release date, every single Vibrant was like a box of chocolates, you never knew what tint your display would be.
Some vibrants come with blue tint, others with grey, some yellow, some red, some brown.
It is a quality control issue and has nothing to do with the manufacture date.
Some links for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732247
http://androidforums.com/captivate-...r-amoled-blue-tint-screen-no-true-whites.html
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3464-blue-tint/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/35568-blue-tint-screen.html
http://android.bigresource.com/Samsung-Captivate-Super-Amoled-Blue-Tint-on-Screen-9YDGZWDH5.html
There are many more links about tint issues with super amoled. Like I said, no two screens are alike, and trying to get a replacement might get you one with an even uglier tint.
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Really? Never knew about this..
I notice no tint on my screen, even if its compared to my brothers...
Hmm.. Yes his screen does seem a bit different but not much its not the color but the brightness hes always at max... so it looks brighter... hmmm
interesting.
If it looks brighter at the same brightness settings, its probably because you have the power saving box checked in display while she doesn't. I thought the same thing when I compared to my friend's new vibrant, but after I unchecked the box it looked the same.
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SamsungVibrant said:
Ok this is an old issue. Newer Vibrants DO NOT have better screens.
NO TWO Vibrant screens are alike.
From it's release date, every single Vibrant was like a box of chocolates, you never knew what tint your display would be.
Some vibrants come with blue tint, others with grey, some yellow, some red, some brown.
It is a quality control issue and has nothing to do with the manufacture date.
Some links for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732247
http://androidforums.com/captivate-...r-amoled-blue-tint-screen-no-true-whites.html
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3464-blue-tint/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/35568-blue-tint-screen.html
http://android.bigresource.com/Samsung-Captivate-Super-Amoled-Blue-Tint-on-Screen-9YDGZWDH5.html
There are many more links about tint issues with super amoled. Like I said, no two screens are alike, and trying to get a replacement might get you one with an even uglier tint.
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First of all dont treat me like I am a noob. I have been on the forums years longer than almost everyone here. Second all of the settings are exactly the same. Same roms and so on. 3rd I never talked about getting a replacement, I am just fine with the one I have so dont EVEN bring this up. I will be buying a 3rd vibrant next week for my daughter and I will see how that one compares. If it is a new model and is just as bright as my wifes then I will think that something has changed. Amoled or not there is no reason why there will be so many differences as you have stated. Here is a thought for you: Is everyones eyes the same.....NOPE. Every person sees colors completely different, no two are the same. I am not going by what other people think I am basing my opinion with my eyes and soon to be 3 different vibrant phones.
Noob... nice op.
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Noob... nice op.
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Thanks.....
xriderx66 said:
its the same...
happened to me yesterday when i got a new one as well..
A guy told me..
that it was because the stock kernel isn't trying to save battery, while the custom kernels you flash are saving battery so they lower their contrast, brightness etc.
Where as Stock kernels go full-out with everything at maximum
Hope i answered your question.
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Thats was I was leaning towards but then I installed the same Rom on it as mine with the exact same settings and it still looks so much better. I almost gave my wife my phone. Lol.
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First of all dont treat me like I am a noob. I have been on the forums years longer than almost everyone here. Second all of the settings are exactly the same. Same roms and so on. 3rd I never talked about getting a replacement, I am just fine with the one I have so dont EVEN bring this up. I will be buying a 3rd vibrant next week for my daughter and I will see how that one compares. If it is a new model and is just as bright as my wifes then I will think that something has changed. Amoled or not there is no reason why there will be so many differences as you have stated. Here is a thought for you: Is everyones eyes the same.....NOPE. Every person sees colors completely different, no two are the same. I am not going by what other people think I am basing my opinion with my eyes and soon to be 3 different vibrant phones.
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I saw nothing in his post that should have made you feel attacked. He answered your question. Isn't that why you started this thread?
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I saw nothing in his post that should have made you feel attacked. He answered your question. Isn't that why you started this thread?
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I did not feel attacked but the attitude with the remarks in caps was uncalled for. And yes this is why I started the thread. Tell me what you think and I will be appreciative........ just don't throw it in my face.
Mods....... Please close this thread. I should have kept my opinion to myself. Thanks
jbatysmallville said:
I did not feel attacked but the attitude with the remarks in caps was uncalled for. And yes this is why I started the thread. Tell me what you think and I will be appreciative........ just don't throw it in my face.
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I'm sorry you felt I was giving you attitude with the caps, that wasn't my intent.
I apologize if it came off that way, I was just trying to answer your question and offer some feedback.
I'll change the caps to lower case because I wasn't trying to scream, was just trying to set your mind at ease that your phone is fine.
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I'm sorry you felt I was giving you attitude with the caps, that wasn't my intent.
I apologize if it came off that way, I was just trying to answer your question and offer some feedback.
I'll change the caps to lower case because I wasn't trying to scream, was just trying to set your mind at ease that your phone is fine.
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Thank you. I appreciate your apology.
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Thank you. I appreciate your apology.
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Couple of things...... One, alot of the people on this forum really do not understand writing etiquette...... I agree actually with you, it very hard to interpret some of the writing as neutral when (intentionally or not) they are couched in sarcasm and innuendo. Now that I got that off my chest........
The Amoled screens, when they were making them in May-Sept, there was a huge shortage because of lack of manufacturing capacity. As a result, alot of the q/c was suspect. Mostly because they did not go the full 100%. Added to that there are limitations in the process (since effectively they are grown (the amoled)and so it is a slower process. Samsung oversold their phones and in June had to start building a 2.1 Billion manufacturing Amoled facility.
Anyway, all this background to say YES the new amoled are of a better quality, I have noticed it as well I got a vibrant for my wife in December and it is a nicer screen view for sure.
Hope that helps
Negative wait til the screen settles in a bit my friend got A 4g and my phone and his ended up looking the same
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Anyone else notice lighter blobs on their screen when a black app is loaded?
Try the night clock and tell me if you see any.
I use my phone as a clock at night and I just got this today and wow is it noticeable.
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Anyone else notice lighter blobs on their screen when a black app is loaded?
Try the night clock and tell me if you see any.
I use my phone as a click at night and I just got this today and wow is it noticeable.
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I also had that issue on my first unit, I had it replaced.
A quite bellow summarizes all the screen issues on the S2.
BarryH_GEG said:
There's really two separate issues that sometimes overlap:
1) The left side banding which appears along with a yellow tint either under certain conditions or, to some, in everyday use. This would seem to be a design issue as, to date, it shows up on every single phone produced.
2) Screen QC issues which include: 1) suction cup circles from production, 2) fingerprints on the inside of the display, 3) dead pixels, 4) vertical or horizontal lines, 5) ghosting, 6) white or black blotches, and 7) wide swings in color temperature.
There's no doubt the QC issues are probably vexing to Samsung. Based on the sheer quantity of displays they need to produce to satisfy demand they're either intentionally allowing displays to go out that shouldn't or are finding out from customers that bad displays got passed QC. Considering the large number of phones sold it's hard to guess the bad:good ratio but it would appear its larger than appropriate. And it doesn't appear to be getting better as newer builds seem to have the same issues as early builds. So banding may be forever but swapping phones may definitely help with the other issues.
I do think that adding the QC issues on top of the banding issue does compound it on some phones. That could certainly explain why some of us are happy and others aren't. There's still a lot of subjectivity at play so it will always be hard to say if what's acceptable to some is unacceptable to others. But with all the phones sold, you'd still think if more than a few percent had serious screen issues there would be a bigger audience for this thread and the issue(s) would have become more prominent on its own. I'd like to think things will get better but production demands may continue to allow QC issues to occur at higher than normal rates. Something that's frustrating for everyone - including Samsung.
Someone said something about the technology being flawed. Here's two links to stories where Apple was/is trying to get SAMOLED for their products. To me, it just helps reinforce that the benefits (color, contrast, viewing angles) still outweigh the downsides (screen life, burn in, inconsistency). And I'm sure Apple's engineers fully reviewed both the upside and downside before considering SAMOLED so it's still kind of a vote of confidence in the technology.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/05/2...y-for-iphone-hd-4g-due-to-supply-constraints/
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/26/we.rebuff.rumor.of.amoled.ipad.3.in.2011/
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Thanks!
I'll have to get back there to have it replaced.
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I've had it replaced 3 times now, I'm on my 4th unit. I can exchange one more time before I have to send it out for repairs.
I'll wait for them to get a new shipment in with different serial numbers (all the ones i've had start with the same 4 digits) and hope i get clean ones.
I called Samsung and the rep i spoke to told me that they have not heard of this issue.
Well they have 3 units in their back room with this issue so they will see it.
I think I will have to take a long-exposure photo to show them what the issue is.
Fingers crossed the next shipment is clear.
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I've had it replaced 3 times now, I'm on my 4th unit. I can exchange one more time before I have to send it out for repairs.
I'll wait for them to get a new shipment in with different serial numbers (all the ones i've had start with the same 4 digits) and hope i get clean ones.
I called Samsung and the rep i spoke to told me that they have not heard of this issue.
Well they have 3 units in their back room with this issue so they will see it.
I think I will have to take a long-exposure photo to show them what the issue is.
Fingers crossed the next shipment is clear.
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I've seen this isseu quite often when I had my phone exchanged mainly for a different screen defect, just be warned though since you had so many exchanges some people here might not actually believe that you went through 4 phones because 6Million phones sold and all that jazz.
Good idea that you decided to wait for another shipping, maybe you can even get a refund and just buy from another store that has good stocks?
I don't care what other believe or not. If they want to see my receipt plus the 2 exchange receipts I have here in this bag beside me I'll send them a picture.
Regardless, I must be one of the few people who have this screen problem AND use the phone as a night clock.
I am posting this for information to anyone who also has experienced or may wonder if their phone also has this issue.
If you dont have it, GREAT! I wish I had your phone.
(ps, this isnt a rant, just want this to be over)
I have zero issues with my screen; no ghosting, yellow/pink tint, light bolbs etc.
but no one believes me
groaner said:
I don't care what other believe or not. If they want to see my receipt plus the 2 exchange receipts I have here in this bag beside me I'll send them a picture.
Regardless, I must be one of the few people who have this screen problem AND use the phone as a night clock.
I am posting this for information to anyone who also has experienced or may wonder if their phone also has this issue.
If you dont have it, GREAT! I wish I had your phone.
(ps, this isnt a rant, just want this to be over)
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Someone else in Canada (Toronto) went through five phones because of tinting issues with the display. He too exchanged them back-to-back from the same store. If you've been going to the same store, and there was a run of bad displays, all the phones built in sequence could be effected. Can't you go to a different store and exchange it there?
Have the same problem, its like blobs/smudges that are lighter black/greyish. Not an even black color.
Its best noticeable in a dark room without any other light, not even the light of the touch buttons or top bar active (so your eyes are adjusted to seeing in the dark). Using this image I can see it clearly. Auto adjust screen power doesn't influence it.
I think we all may have blobs to varying degrees. The other day I looked at my screen in bright sunlight with polarized sunglasses on. It made the screen look black but you could clearly see random beige blotches all over it. In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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Have the same problem, its like blobs/smudges that are lighter black/greyish. Not an even black color.
Its best noticeable in a dark room without any other light, not even the light of the touch buttons or top bar active (so your eyes are adjusted to seeing in the dark). Using this image I can see it clearly. Auto adjust screen power doesn't influence it.
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You got it too!
Well, i'm glad I'm not alone sorry that you have it too.
Hopefully I will get a call from the store when the new shipment comes in and the issue will go away.
I tried going to another store and was told DOA's could not be exchanged at other stores that they had to go back to the store it was purchased at.
It is likely that all phones at Bell at all the stores at the same time may well come from the same batch.
I can wait over the weekend. I bought it on the 1st so still have most of my 30 day period to do the exchange. after that its repairs only. trying to avoid that.
I tried to get back the first one I had as it didn't have it as bad as all the subsequent ones I've had. Once a phone is marked DOA it can not be resold until it has been reconditioned and put back through the system. Understandable.
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I think we all may have blobs to varying degrees. The other day I looked at my screen in bright sunlight with polarized sunglasses on. It made the screen look black but you could clearly see random beige blotches all over it. In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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I agree and I can accept some imperfections but I'd like to get as close to "perfect" as I can seeing that I had it in the beginning (WHY didnt I keep the first one?!)
Oh well, I'll take what I get with the new shipment and be happy with it,unless there is functional issues, then I'll be
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In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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Well good you don't see any blobs or perhaps you are suffering from a certain degree of Nyctalopia. Sometimes a disorder is not bad, see no evil ... Nonetheless the O in AMOLED doesn't stand for alive, just for a chemical compound containing molecules with carbon.
I must add that two Galaxy S (i9000) models I have looked at don't have this issue, at all. The screens are fully and equally the same black tint/shade. Taking a picture to capture the problem has proven to be somewhat difficult, but this old camera probably isn't really anything to write home about these days.
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Well good you don't see any blobs or perhaps you are suffering from a certain degree of Nyctalopia. Sometimes a disorder is not bad, see no evil
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OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life. If I had problems with my phone I'd have no problem sharing them. I've posted tons of pics of my phone in the dark, in the light, on grey, showing apps, and at every brightness level between 0% and 100%. I'm not going to apologize because I have a decent screen. Though I do sympathize with those that aren't satisfied for whatever the reason.
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OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life. If I had problems with my phone I'd have no problem sharing them. I've posted tons of pics of my phone in the dark, in the light, on grey, showing apps, and at every brightness level between 0% and 100%. I'm not going to apologize because I have a decent screen. Though I do sympathize with those that aren't satisfied for whatever the reason.
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I dream of having a phone like yours.
I'm glad that all i have are these splotches on the screen in the darkness. it is not viewable at any other time and all other functions of the phone are perfect.
I can live with the splotches if i have to but would prefer to not. I'll exchange one more time and leave it.
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I dream of having a phone like yours.
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I'm sure I'm not special. If you look at the low level of participation in the display threads either people have low standards or the majority of phones are like mine. Even within the display threads, 50% of the posts are by the same dozen or so people. In the other Canadian display thread a bunch of people from Toronto posted they had no problems. So keep spinning the wheel, you're bound to get lucky.
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Obsessive–compulsive disorder is not how you describe it, perfectionism is. Some more of this perfectionism for a company like Samsung would not be bad at all.
It was not meant to be taken seriously anyway (hence the smiley). Albeit a joke, people whom suffer from night blindness will of course not see this particular issue though.
While I believe I did not post in the other display problem threads. I do have yellow tint and pink/blueish shade from all angles except from front. Which of course doesn't make it sound like a decent and proper SAMOLED+ display at all. Since I have a Galaxy S that doesn't exhibit these problems, it of course makes me a little disappointed.
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Obsessive–compulsive disorder is not how you describe it, perfectionism is. Some more of this perfectionism for a company like Samsung would not be bad at all.
It was not meant to be taken seriously anyway (hence the smiley). Albeit a joke, people whom suffer from night blindness will of course not see this particular issue though.
While I believe I did not post in the other display problem threads. I do have yellow tint and pink/blueish shade from all angles except from front. Which of course doesn't make it sound like a decent and proper SAMOLED+ display at all. Since I have a Galaxy S that doesn't exhibit these problems, it of course makes me a little disappointed.
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I wasn't attacking you, just having a little fun trading disorders. I actually considered myself anal retentive until I started participating in this forum. ;-)
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The anal stage, hmm no let's just leave Freud there. He doesn't have blops on his screen anyway.
I can not exchange my phone, probably because it was included for "free" with a Vodafone plan, even though I just have it a couple of days. The shop implied I could sent it in for repair but I am reluctant to do that for various reasons.
bruflot said:
I have zero issues with my screen; no ghosting, yellow/pink tint, light bolbs etc.
but no one believes me
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Not all phones are affected with the same assortment of issues but I find it hard to believe that your phone does not have any ghosting, its an limitation on the SAMOLED+, Im not saying your lying but I dont believe that claim either. For the yellow banding on the left side user to user and phone to phone subjective.
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I must add that two Galaxy S (i9000) models I have looked at don't have this issue, at all. The screens are fully and equally the same black tint/shade. Taking a picture to capture the problem has proven to be somewhat difficult, but this old camera probably isn't really anything to write home about these days.
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One of my thoughts also point to that a lot of S2 owners are first time users of SAMOLED screens, hence they dont know what to expect or have an entire low level of expectations. The S2 is my 3rd phone with a SAMOLED based technology and pretty much the expectation should be higher than the first generation SAMOLED right?
But all people say that these defects are expected are we are the minority as millions and millions of phones getting sold but theres no "internet media coverage" about it and they start bringing in other phones as a comparison when the only comparison needed is the previous generation SAMOLED.
I was initially very disappointed on this until I had my phone exchanged (Had to sort out over a dozen phones) and also XXKGx firmware alleviated the yellow banding, right now Im happy with what I got but I can be happier if the quality on the SAMOLED+ surpassed the first generation, The regular SAMOLED is superior in every way even if it was pentile. I just gotta hope for the best when the SGS3 and SAMOLED HD comes out.
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The anal stage, hmm no let's just leave Freud there. He doesn't have blops on his screen anyway.
I can not exchange my phone, probably because it was included for "free" with a Vodafone plan, even though I just have it a couple of days. The shop implied I could sent it in for repair but I am reluctant to do that for various reasons.
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This could also be a possible reason why Samsung has never said anything about the display issues on the S2, a lot of shops are refusing exchanges and sending customers to the service center and have repairs instead, probably Samsung has informed its retail channel that they will be replacing deadpixels only anything should be dealt with by the retailer.. well just a conspiracy theory =)
Check out MKBHD's new review of the Pixel 2 / XL. Thoughts?
Halt shipping and conduct a QC investigation...
Watched this video this morning! Can't wait for my P2XL to arrive tomorrow!
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As always, an honest review.
Makes me more excited for my delivery, although it is one day past my ship date and I have no confirmation.
Blue hue, won't bother me at all.
Muted colors. I believe google will provide some options with a software update at some point, but I've already seen the phone at Verizon and the colors didn't bother me at all.
Otherwise, the phone will definitely be the best I've ever had.
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As always, an honest review.
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I worry sometimes that MKBHD is too much of an android fanboy & then a review comes out like this & I don't care anymore. LOL!
Seriously, I've watched him since he was a teenager & I believe what he says.
I don't know what to think anymore. Some say this phone is a turd. Others, like MKBHD, praise it. Guess I'm glad I didn't cancel my order and I can find out for myself. Mine is on a truck for delivery - three full days ahead of schedule. So that's good. Although I'm not sure why I'm getting my 128gb black version ahead of people who ordered a full day before me, but that's Google's terrible shipping for you.
I'm going to honestly say that all this news on the Pixel 2XL feels like a smear campaign or something. I swear, I wasn't seeing as many news stories as when Samsung had phones exploding and they were refusing to let them on planes. Why is something that is largely subjective as screen preference, dotted with a few actual hardware defects being plastered everywhere on the internet. I seriously can't scroll one or two screens, in Google, Newstand, Google+, Facebook, etc without seeing something about the damn screen.
b ..bb.bbbut the screen looks funny when i try to watch a YouTube video at the lowest light setting with 1 eye holding it sideways with a strobe light going off in the background
seriously though i don't know. Google F'ed my shipping up and i went from having it yesterday to having it Thursday so id love to put this thing to the test myself but the wait continues.
Its objectively a bad screen, thats why. Honestly i don't get why people are defending the screen. Its one thing to say you acknowledge the problem but are ok with it, but to pretend this isn't an issue is crazy and if you're ok with a $850+ phone with a bad display, then thats cool, enjoy it. I've seen three pixel 2xl's in real life (the one i bought and two others coworkers bought) and the extreme blue shift is identical on all of them, this is just how the screen is. Its worse than my 2 year old 6p screen. Do i love everything else about the phone, yes, is the display a dealer breaker for me, yes, is it for everyone, no; but again that doesnt make the screen ok on a flagship top of the price range phone. I think its embarrassing to the reviewers who were ok with it, they should be universally trashing this display, cause its the worse ive ever seen on a flagship phone.
love how he explained the color issue.
He made a great review! I don't know why everyone is crying so much. This phone is amazing. I've had it for three days now and I might be lucky but I have 0 issues. The colors for me are fine and it's really smooth. I'm extremely happy with my purchase and can't wait for further development for this phone.
I like his reviews as he is seeing the device for what it is and compares it to how he uses it.. Yes his use might be different than ours but at least he is reviewing in the sense of a normal user (or at least for me he does). The whole display thing i feel is being blown way out of proportion. Its like if no one ever mentioned it would you have really noticed it? or would you have gone about your day like it never existed. For cases where it is faulty that is where warranty comes in play. so i'll be getting my phone and going through my works but most likely i will be keeping mine
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Its like if no one ever mentioned it would you have really noticed it?
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Both my wife and several coworkers pointed out the tint immediately, "why is it so blue" without any understanding of the controversy around it. I thought i had a particularly bad one, as the blue tint happens at around a 10% angle, but two other coworkers have gotten theirs and they're identical. I thought i could deal with it, but in normal use i dont look at my phone straight on its almost always at a slight angle, so the top of the phone would be blue tinted and the bottom would look fine, and scrolling with two different color temps is a weird thing, particularly peoples faces.
To be clear, all phones shift a little, my nexus 6p has a slight blue shift then rainbow at nearly flat, and my wifes S8 has a slight red shift then rainbows, but the P2XL shift is in another world, its so extreme and so fast, and actually gets better looking at extreme angles than at slight ones.
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Both my wife and several coworkers pointed out the tint immediately, "why is it so blue" without any understanding of the controversy around it. I thought i had a particularly bad one, as the blue tint happens at around a 10% angle, but two other coworkers have gotten theirs and they're identical. I thought i could deal with it, but in normal use i dont look at my phone straight on its almost always at a slight angle, so the top of the phone would be blue tinted and the bottom would look fine, and scrolling with two different color temps is a weird thing, particularly peoples faces.
To be clear, all phones shift a little, my nexus 6p has a slight blue shift then rainbow at nearly flat, and my wifes S8 has a slight red shift then rainbows, but the P2XL shift is in another world, its so extreme and so fast, and actually gets better looking at extreme angles than at slight ones.
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Thanks for the information. i do believe you on the blue tint being probably that bad. me personally i would have to use it for a week before i can decide if that will really bother me. if other see it i'm eh about it cause it's not their phone. but glad to know you noticed other people have noticed on your phone.
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Its objectively a bad screen, thats why. Honestly i don't get why people are defending the screen. Its one thing to say you acknowledge the problem but are ok with it, but to pretend this isn't an issue is crazy and if you're ok with a $850+ phone with a bad display, then thats cool, enjoy it. I've seen three pixel 2xl's in real life (the one i bought and two others coworkers bought) and the extreme blue shift is identical on all of them, this is just how the screen is. Its worse than my 2 year old 6p screen. Do i love everything else about the phone, yes, is the display a dealer breaker for me, yes, is it for everyone, no; but again that doesnt make the screen ok on a flagship top of the price range phone. I think its embarrassing to the reviewers who were ok with it, they should be universally trashing this display, cause its the worse ive ever seen on a flagship phone.
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Totally agreed with you on this. for such a high price flagship, we shouldn't be able to oversee issues like this. That's the reason I cancelled it. I'll wait a few more weeks or months if things gets better and re-order. For now, I wouldn't lie to my self and say I can live with this.
His comments on the display were interesting and it is odd that the display supports a wider color gamut but isn't using it (as evidenced by Firefox). That said, the images people typically use to compare the display are grossly oversaturated even if they are using a wider gamut. The first comparison picture he uses with the S8 has much more detail in the Pixel version because the S8 is blowing out the colors so much to produce those saturated neon greens. I'd be interested to actually see the Pixel up against another display that is using proper color saturation with a wider gamut.
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I don't know what to think anymore. Some say this phone is a turd. Others, like MKBHD, praise it. Guess I'm glad I didn't cancel my order and I can find out for myself. Mine is on a truck for delivery - three full days ahead of schedule. So that's good. Although I'm not sure why I'm getting my 128gb black version ahead of people who ordered a full day before me, but that's Google's terrible shipping for you.
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I feel like I can live with the screen washout and blue tint at the angle. I'm a little worried about the screen burn in and clucky noises that people are reporting hopefully those are just defects from a really bad batch. I get mine tomorrow so I will definitely be keeping an eye on it. If anything is bad I return it and just get the Pixel XL.
Notable XDA Dev supercurio sheds some light on some of the claims made in Marques' review.
Keep in mind this guy made the software that Erica Griffin used to measure the display. He knows what he's talking about, more than most.
https://plus.google.com/+supercurioFrancoisSimond/posts/8feW5GMgGgt
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I don't know what to think anymore. Some say this phone is a turd. Others, like MKBHD, praise it. Guess I'm glad I didn't cancel my order and I can find out for myself. Mine is on a truck for delivery - three full days ahead of schedule. So that's good. Although I'm not sure why I'm getting my 128gb black version ahead of people who ordered a full day before me, but that's Google's terrible shipping for you.
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Go with your own review, who knows what some reviewers motives are. Hell id praise a phone if it meant they kept sending me free stuff and devices! MKBHD is honest I believe though
The blue tint is when it's at a certain angle. Now that angle may be less than most phones, but I don't know of anyone who reads their phone at an angle. He explains that in the video as well. Like he said if your "that guy/gal' then this phone isn't for you. I think when people bring stuff up that bothers them & make a big deal about it everyone is looking for it. If other reviewers had never said anything this wouldn't be as big of an issue. Just nitpicking now.
I recently got the pixel 2 Xl. I love it, it's better than the Nexus 6p that I had. I haven't noticed any of the issues that people have been mentioning. My theory is people complain about the smallest things and they will continue to complain even if they switch to a different phone. They will always find something wrong to complain about. I think a lot of the noise is fake news from people that are promoting other devices. Give the phone a try if you like it keep it if you don't return it. The sound is good and I don't notice any screen burn-in.
Or the quality varies between devices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Probably more likely than fake news from device shills
Have you considered that it is possible that there is device-to-device variability? I mean several posters have put up side-by-side images of 2 different P2XL's that clearly showed one was very blue and the other wasn't. Lucky you that you got a good one but you should assume that just because your's is good that they all are.
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Have you considered that it is possible that there is device-to-device variability? I mean several posters have put up side-by-side images of 2 different P2XL's that clearly showed one was very blue and the other wasn't. Lucky you that you got a good one but you should assume that just because your's is good that they all are.
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Nope. His device is fine which means everything else is #fakenews.
Haha...of course! What was I thinking!!!
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I recently got the pixel 2 Xl. I love it, it's better than the Nexus 6p that I had. I haven't noticed any of the issues that people have been mentioning. My theory is people complain about the smallest things and they will continue to complain even if they switch to a different phone. They will always find something wrong to complain about. I think a lot of the noise is fake news from people that are promoting other devices. Give the phone a try if you like it keep it if you don't return it. The sound is good and I don't notice any screen burn-in.
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Look at all the pics in another P2XL thread here with pictures of exact same models, and they vary in how blue their tint is.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/help/screen-issue-blue-shift-real-unlucky-t3696638
Mine is fffn perfect, but a large number of other buyers have the tint big time. This is not fake news or whiners.
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Nope. His device is fine which means everything else is #fakenews.
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Isn't that the rules on the internet?
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Isn't that the rules on the internet?
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MY REALITY IS FINE, SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS FAKE N00Z! But seriously, I think its pretty evident at this point that there are variations in the severity of the "blue shift". I've been keeping my eye on this.
I have the blue tint issue. It's not that bad. Google has expanded the warranty if I don't like it I can return it. If this is the only thing wrong with the phone I will be happy with it. Poke the internet and it pokes back. I more put this comment out so I didn't have to search all the forums to find all the issues. I figured people would rant about my post and post the issues. It's working Thanks for sharing.
There are legitimate issues here, screen burn in I would rate as chief among them. But they are being blown waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. They do this for every device that comes out. Coming up with umpteen reasons why "x" device has the worst "y" component in smartphone history.
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Use a black theme, holy **** people, no more blue tint, and no burn in. I'm so sick of every other thread talking about the blue tint. Get rid of the phone, get something else and leave if you can't handle the "screen issues"
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There are legitimate issues here, screen burn in I would rate as chief among them. But they are being blown waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. They do this for every device that comes out. Coming up with umpteen reasons why "x" device has the worst "y" component in smartphone history.
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my s7 edge has blue shift at very extreme angles but my new P2XL has it straight on at 0degrees. It's defective for sure. Going back as no matter what google lies about the screen issues, this shouldn't be this blue! Also for future reference, Google chat is refusing to RMA blue screen problems but if you call in they'll replace it.
Oh yeah btw the guy on the phone was linked to one of the pages on this site showing side by side comparisons and stated "Yeah it's not supposed to be like that, not that blue"
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Use a black theme, holy **** people, no more blue tint, and no burn in. I'm so sick of every other thread talking about the blue tint. Get rid of the phone, get something else and leave if you can't handle the "screen issues"
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If you don't want to hear about it stay out of the blue shift and screen issues threads. Simple as that. My screen is blue when looking straight on. Looks like hell, no I will not change all sorts of settings and/or switch to different theme just to 'HIDE' the defect with my device. Is it too much to ask for a non defective device for a $100 phone let alone a $1,000 phone! Btw mine is going back but for another one with agood acceptable screen. Congrats you got a good one right off the bat, I and a bunch of others here weren't so lucky!
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Pretty hard when more than half the threads on here are crying about it. Don't like the blue shift? Get a different phone stop sending it back. Get a refund and leave, or would it not sit well you have nothing to compalin about then?
Bunch of highschool girls
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Pretty hard when more than half the threads on here are crying about it. Don't like the blue shift? Get a different phone stop sending it back. Get a refund and leave, or would it not sit well you have nothing to compalin about then?
Bunch of highschool girls
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so then there's a legitimate reason for the complaints then if it's more than half of us! TROLL - ignored.
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so then there's a legitimate reason for the complaints then if it's more than half of us! TROLL
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Trolling? Do you see how many posts I have? You think a troll account would last this long?
It's pretty simple. If it's a legitimate issue, then stop getting pixel 2's and get something else.
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Pretty hard when more than half the threads on here are crying about it. Don't like the blue shift? Get a different phone stop sending it back. Get a refund and leave, or would it not sit well you have nothing to compalin about then?
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So much yes.
Key advice on the internet: Don't feed the trolls
I have no doubt that there are problems. That said, people bailed before they ever got their phone simply based on strangers reports.
I do find the Note 8 is brighter with more vivid colors. That said, I've done quite a few TV calibrations and my Pixel 2 XL is closer to realistic colors than the Note 8. Samsung oversaturates colors and kicks the brightness way up to make their screens pop. They are not realistic representations of a calibrated display. Many have just gotten used to the inaccurate displays of other phones. Just my opinion.
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I have no doubt that there are problems. That said, people bailed before they ever got their phone simply based on strangers reports.
I do find the Note 8 is brighter with more vivid colors. That said, I've done quite a few TV calibrations and my Pixel 2 XL is closer to realistic colors than the Note 8. Samsung oversaturates colors and kicks the brightness way up to make their screens pop. They are not realistic representations of a calibrated display. Many have just gotten used to the inaccurate displays of other phones. Just my opinion.
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Agreed the colors represented are the closest phone I've seen to my calibrated tv. That being said the blue shift is the killer for me and a lot of others here, not the color accuracy that keeps being brought up(we all know that's a software fix for those samsung supersaturation lovers), but I am getting another one since I love this phone so much and feel it's an amazing device besides the screen problem on mine.
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I recently got the pixel 2 Xl. I love it, it's better than the Nexus 6p that I had. I haven't noticed any of the issues that people have been mentioning. My theory is people complain about the smallest things and they will continue to complain even if they switch to a different phone. They will always find something wrong to complain about. I think a lot of the noise is fake news from people that are promoting other devices. Give the phone a try if you like it keep it if you don't return it. The sound is good and I don't notice any screen burn-in.
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Definitely not fake news. Mine looks nothing like the ones on display at Verizon near me. I took a picture of mine while waiting in the Google Support chat queue tonight. It's definitely not good on my unit.