Hi all,
So I'm picking my HD2 up for my birthday next week and have already done a ton of homework (aka reading of the Leo forums here at xda) on the device but have a question...
I have a voipcheap.com account to make free/cheap international phonecalls from my computer. I assume it's viable to use SIP/this service on my HD2 (I've tried on old handsets with varying results, which seem to come down to the hardware being rubbish)
What's everyone using to make calls via their internet calling accounts, and have you successfully used the 'audio routing' tweak to route calls to the normal ear speaker?
Thanks
Mr Baig
I think the best way to go about SIP is using softwares like Fring or Nimbuz
lowcaller
Hi!
VoIPcheap.com is just another phone service offered by Betamax. For a full list, see this page: http://backsla.sh/betamax
For all the Betamax brands, there's a great way of doing VoIP calls from a WinMo phone: go to http://www.lowcaller.com/en/index.php , choose your service (voipcheap.com in your case) and download the cab for your phone (yes, there IS a version for the HTC Leo). Once you download it, it will create an icon on the start menu. Select it, input your voipcheap id and password and your mobile number and UNCHECK the "auto lowcall" (or whatever it is called) option. Tap on "Save".
From this point on, you won't need the lowcaller icon anymore.
To make a call, go to your contact, tap on Menu=>See more information, then Menu => [scroll the menu down] and you will see the Lowcaller options.
I've been using lowcaller for a while now, and it works very well.
Hope this helps...
ccristal
ccristal said:
Hi!
VoIPcheap.com is just another phone service offered by Betamax. For a full list, see this page: http://backsla.sh/betamax
For all the Betamax brands, there's a great way of doing VoIP calls from a WinMo phone: go to http://www.lowcaller.com/en/index.php , choose your service (voipcheap.com in your case) and download the cab for your phone (yes, there IS a version for the HTC Leo). Once you download it, it will create an icon on the start menu. Select it, input your voipcheap id and password and your mobile number and UNCHECK the "auto lowcall" (or whatever it is called) option. Tap on "Save".
From this point on, you won't need the lowcaller icon anymore.
To make a call, go to your contact, tap on Menu=>See more information, then Menu => [scroll the menu down] and you will see the Lowcaller options.
I've been using lowcaller for a while now, and it works very well.
Hope this helps...
ccristal
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Fantastic - sounds like this would do the job!
1 week 'til I've got my HD2 and I'll post back here with my results.
Just reporting back to say that lowcall appears to do the job perfectly (just made the 1 call right now, in a dodgy 3g area!)
Many thanks to ccristal for the tip-off, more people need to know about this little cab for sure.
Now for another question (sorry!) - is there anything that exists which takes advantage of the SMS service in Betamax clients like Voipcheap.com? I use the text service occasionally to text internationally so it'd be great if I could access this on my phone.
Trust the xda-devs to be on the case!
Actually, you can send sms using lowcaller itself. If you select a contact from the WM contact list (not the Manila one) and you open the menu, you will find a menu item to send a sms to that contact using lowcaller.
cccristal
SMS92 said:
Just reporting back to say that lowcall appears to do the job perfectly (just made the 1 call right now, in a dodgy 3g area!)
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It's important to point out, however, that the call is not a full VoIP call. When you use lowcaller, you actually call an access number in London, and it's only from that point on that the call is forwarded using VoIP. Here's how I think it works under the cover:
there are 3 numbers in the game here: your number, your contact's number and the lowcaller access number.
you select a contact in your list and call it using lowcaller;
a data connection is opened, and your own number and your contact's number are sent to the lowcaller server;
the lowcaller server associates the two numbers with an access number taken from a pool, and it returns the access number to the lowcaller client running on your phone;
the lowcaller client dials the access number;
the software running on the server identifies your number and the access number you are calling and retrieves your contact's target number from the mapping established at step 3, after which connects the call.
This has an interesting side effect: after the first call to a given contact, you can associate the access number that lowcaller actually called with the contact as if it were your contact's own number. From that point on, every time you dial the same access number, you will actually call your contact, without a data connection being opened at all, since the mapping between your number and the contact's number is already stored in the table for that access number.
Not sure if I've been clear enough... but please do feel free to come back to me for any additional question you may have.
ccristal
ccristal said:
It's important to point out, however, that the call is not a full VoIP call. When you use lowcaller, you actually call an access number in London, and it's only from that point on that the call is forwarded using VoIP. Here's how I think it works under the cover:
there are 3 numbers in the game here: your number, your contact's number and the lowcaller access number.
you select a contact in your list and call it using lowcaller;
a data connection is opened, and your own number and your contact's number are sent to the lowcaller server;
the lowcaller server associates the two numbers with an access number taken from a pool, and it returns the access number to the lowcaller client running on your phone;
the lowcaller client dials the access number;
the software running on the server identifies your number and the access number you are calling and retrieves your contact's target number from the mapping established at step 3, after which connects the call.
This has an interesting side effect: after the first call to a given contact, you can associate the access number that lowcaller actually called with the contact as if it were your contact's own number. From that point on, every time you dial the same access number, you will actually call your contact, without a data connection being opened at all, since the mapping between your number and the contact's number is already stored in the table for that access number.
Not sure if I've been clear enough... but please do feel free to come back to me for any additional question you may have.
ccristal
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do you have to associate the access number that lowcaller called to your contact or is it an option?
Audio Oblivion said:
do you have to associate the access number that lowcaller called to your contact or is it an option?
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No, you don't have to. If you don't, every time you call the same contact a new data connection will be opened, and a different access number may potentially be chosen. However, if you do associate it, you won't need to go to the WM contact page to get to the lowcaller menu, since the number will be visible from Manila and can even be saved as a shortcut.
ccristal
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Hi there,
MS Outlook on my desktop PC has all my contacts in +44 format (for some reason). Now I've synced my Trinity up, the contacts have transferred over in this format. When I try to dial the number the call doesn't connect. Instead T-Mobile thinks I am using keypad codes to toggle my voicemail.
I guess my questions are:
1. Is there a simple change I can make on the handset for it to accept +44 contacts? Or do I need to change them all back to 01753 etc.
2. If I *do* need to change them all back, will I be able to make international calls when I eventually make it abroad with this device? Or will I have to change back to +44.
3. Finally, if I'm abroad and use skype in a WLAN hotspot, will I need to use +44 or the regular UK dialling codes, say 01753?
Many thanks!
Ermmm it should "just work" tm.........
You havent accidentally added a 0 after the +44?
ie 01652 becomes +441652 and NOT +4401652
otherwise in windows have you checked you have set an area code anywhere? IIRC in the dialup section type thingy.
IF you change tham all to 01 etc then when you go abroad you need to drop the 0 and add +44
No idea about Skype
Personally all my contacts are a mixture of +44 or 01's depending whether I want to call them fom abroad or not and dont ever have an issue dialing them.
But hope the above is a little helpful
hi,
you're right. they all have a 0 after the 44. Outlook did this so i'm hoping it's fairly easy to remove them all as a global change.
thanks for helping me out.
at home now sitting in front of my pc.
can i get it to work?
no i cant.
outlook won't delete the first zero, ie (0)1753
the help section is a joke.
can anyone help please?
TIA
it seems that outlook on the pc is sensible enough to know to know if a number is dialled, the first zero is auto dropped.
but this is not the case with the handset. it will try and dial whatever numbers are in the contact fields (i think).
note: my handset is working. if i delete the preceeding +44, the number is called.
i've tried searching this site's for answers but to no avail.
has anyone else had this problem?
cheers
i'm either incredibly thick or MS office dont consult with MS Mobile.
sorry for multiple posts!
Remove all dialling rules and save all numbers using +44 xxxxyyyyyyyy. That's what I have done long time ago and it works fine. It also helps to deal with Italian numbers where you need to leave the 0 in when calling a fixed network number.
PS: I think you need to go through the manual editing process though
Thanks for the info. However I need to have my hand held with this.
"Remove all dialling rules"
Is this on my Desktop PC outlook or on the handset?
"save all numbers using +44 xxxxyyyyyyyy"
Have I got to re-enter every number on the Desktop PC outlook?
And do I include the first zero or leave it blank?
CHeers!
powerbook said:
Thanks for the info. However I need to have my hand held with this.
"Remove all dialling rules"
Is this on my Desktop PC outlook or on the handset?
"save all numbers using +44 xxxxyyyyyyyy"
Have I got to re-enter every number on the Desktop PC outlook?
And do I include the first zero or leave it blank?
CHeers!
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On the handheld: go to the Settings, Connections, Advanced, Dialing Rules and make sure "use dialing rules" is not selected.
Then go to Outlook on your PC and remove all zeros and all brackets from all numbers; put the numbers the same way you would dial them on the phone keypad (when calling from abroad). You don't need to re-enter all numbers, you need to edit them, which is just slightly less boring I am afraid.
Ops.... Are you also using your PC connected to a land line modem to dial numbers? I hope not because in that case it would not work as you cannot dial a "+" from a land line!
powerbook said:
3. Finally, if I'm abroad and use skype in a WLAN hotspot, will I need to use +44 or the regular UK dialling codes, say 01753?
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Oh this is easy! On Skype you always need country codes.
Development of VoipCall has been stopped.
VoipCall 0.2.1
In the VoipSMS thread people started asking for a similar program for calling. So here it is
It's a first trial. If you've got some suggestions; let me know.
Requirements
You need the .NET Compact Framework 2.0 to run VoipCall.
Instructions
In order to use VoipCall, it's important to configure it first.
Go to options and set the following values on the first tab (Application Settings)
Pause sign: p (lowercase, this is default, however unlikely your phone might have a different sign)
Default country code: this is a digit code which will be used when no country code is set.. For The Netherlands it's 0031. For Germany 0049 etc.
Use '#' Sign: set to true.This will add an '#' sign to the end of the number to call. This is needed by VoipBuster.
Accounts (second tab)
Add a new account by tap and hold on the list of accounts. Enter a friendly name and the number.
The number can be retrieved over here: https://myaccount.voipbuster.com/clx/accessnumbers.php?form=profile
(Login first and then go to : 'Make VOIP calls from your fixed/mobile phone)
Select your country and a city. The number displayed must be filled in on the VoipCall settings)
Done.
Now you can use VoipCall ;-)
Just select a contact or type a number in the textbox at the top. and press the call button.
Have fun!
Versions
There are two versions available;
- For PDA/PocketPC
- For SmartPhones
The SmartPhone version has some limitations. It does not support favorites and currently only 1 account. Hopefully I can change this soon.
PDA
Changelog
Version 0.2.1 (31-05-2008)
- Parenthesis in numbers will be removed in order to make calls.
Version 0.2 (22-05-2008)
- Move favorite down/up in contextmenu on favorites
- Delete all favorites
- Order favorites fixed
- Phonepad will be visible during call
First attempt...
Hi Mathieu,
Thanks for the app! I tried it but I have few comments:
1. After configuring the app and using a country code where I'm at right now (France) it looks like the app tried to call to my own number...?
2. I saw that VoIPbuster actually has a Java app where you enter your own number and the other party's number and when you click "call" it dials back to you and then connects you to the other party. Can your app use the same method?
The reason I'm asking for (2) is because at least for me, I travel allot and I would like to redirect my call to either a local landline or other mobile phone which is different from the one I registered; doing so will be very useful...
I noticed that the app (also the XP app) using UDP to communicate with VoipBuster so I'm not sure if this is an open interface that they publish or not but it will be very useful!
Again, Thanks allot for the efforts!! Let me know if I did anything wrong and why the app initiated a dial to my own number after selecting someone from my contacts to call to...
Gil.
Hey,
Some quick answers.
1. Did you enter the correct number for the account? It must not be your number, but the service number from VoipBuster.
For France it's: 0170909535
2. I've to take a look at that app. I'm aware of its existance. Unfortunately VoipBuster is not giving away a lot of information. But I'll take a look at it.
Another option is to configure multiple accounts. You can switch accounts at the bottom of the main screen.
Ok, now it's clear
So I will have to enter the local access #. I will try that tomorrow morning...
Let me know if you have more information about phone-to-phone using two numbers (my own number and the number I want to call to) it has lots of benefits when one is abroad and using a pre-paid SIM card... if VoIPbuster will call me instead of me calling out - I will not be charged locally for the incoming call. I will only have to pay VoIPbuster charges which is much cheaper...
Thanks!
Gil.
hi Rhapsody, that was quick! didnt expect it so fast.. great idea and it looks like another very nice app...
ive been having some trouble with my voip calling from the internal wm6 possibility, so i cant wait to try this one
The VoipBuster rates for calling to your mobile number and the number you wish to call apply (plus a callsetup fee of 5ct). Costs for the calls will be settled via your VoipBuster account, so make sure you have enough credit.
Example: You are in the USA and wish to call a landline in the UK. You pay a callsetup of 5ct plus a rate of 18Ct/Min + 1Ct/Min = 19Ct/Min
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It seems like you also pay for VoipBuster calling you.
I've uploaded a SmartPhone version.
Unfortunately I was unable to add favorites functionality as well as multiple accounts. Hopefully I can add this soon.
Rhapsody is the best
Rhapsody,
I've sent you an email with some additional information I've found for better automation of betamax services.
Take a look, let me know if some of these functions can be part of your client, it will be REALLY COOL if it can be implemented and make your program even more complete
Gil.
Thanks!
In the meantime I was also searching for some more information but without success...
I'm gonna check my mail now
Does it work only with Voipbuster? I only have account with Voipstunt..
It should work with every VoipBuster clone.
what about?
what about freecall.com? can I use this with account in freecall.com? imho freecall much better than voipbuster. they offer more countries to call for free, and free sms as well.
DaMilky said:
what about freecall.com? can I use this with account in freecall.com? imho freecall much better than voipbuster. they offer more countries to call for free, and free sms as well.
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FreeCall.com seems to be another Betamax client, so the answer is yes; you can use this app for it.
In fact; the required settings are identical to VoipBuster. (http://www.freecall.com/en/geo.html)
VoipCall installation
Hi Rhapsody,
I use "VoipSMS". It's great, thank you for it.
I' ve tried to install "VoipCall", as well. Unfortunately, I can't select any provider nor can I define a new one because the "Account" tab is unaccessible, it is grey. Is it normal? My gadget is an Asus m530w smartphone with WM6 Standard OS.
I use "fring" with "Poivy" settings. It works fine. I' d like to use "VoipCall" with "Voxalot". Could you advise me the required parameters for selecting Voxalot, please?
Best regards,
tipmix
I am using Gizmo for my voip. can i configure it on voipcall 0.1
thanks
rsourour said:
I am using Gizmo for my voip. can i configure it on voipcall 0.1
thanks
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I cannot find anything about Gizmo on this issue on their website.
The only thing you need (for now) is a service number to call. This service number is a computer where you can enter the number you want to dial through the voip provider.
Gizmo is not a Betamax client so I think it's not possible.
Further I'm waiting and hoping for some help from VoipBuster itself. I've dropped a question at my contact at VoipBuster about if it would be possible to implement calling like on their website (that the service calls you and the recipient).
tipmix said:
Hi Rhapsody,
I use "VoipSMS". It's great, thank you for it.
I' ve tried to install "VoipCall", as well. Unfortunately, I can't select any provider nor can I define a new one because the "Account" tab is unaccessible, it is grey. Is it normal? My gadget is an Asus m530w smartphone with WM6 Standard OS.
I use "fring" with "Poivy" settings. It works fine. I' d like to use "VoipCall" with "Voxalot". Could you advise me the required parameters for selecting Voxalot, please?
Best regards,
tipmix
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I don't know Voxalot. (Seems like there are thousands of Voip Providers)
The only thing you need to get it to work is a service number.
I'm not sure but you could try a number from this list: http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/pstnNumbers
I'll try to look at the account issue asap. Thanks for reporting.
I am confused by the overall VOIP concept??
Is it truly free, or do I still have to have Skype or a similar account?
What other software must be loaded for your progiie to work?
Thanks so much!
pardon my ignorance, but I am not sure what this program is for. If you are calling a service number or if the service is calling your phone, aren't you charged airtime on your phone anyways? Or is this really a way to get international calls cheap or free using standard local airtime?
Hello,
I often use an access code to dial internationally, and once I am connected to that access number, I have to enter the number of the person I am calling.
I have an HTC Touch HD with WM6.1pro and cannot find a way to do it. If I connect to the access number, then at the prompt go to my address book and dial a second number, it assumes I want to have two separate calls and puts the access code on Hold... which is not what I want! I do not remember all my friend's numbers, so I do have to use the address book.
With my old nokia n95, once connected I could go to the menu and say I want to dial a DTMF which is the tone you hear when dialing a normal phone. This allows me to follow on with calling the number I need while connected to the call.
Is there a way of doing this on WM6?
I have a kind of work around. I edit my international friends phone numbers as a "car phone" and the numbers look like this
02081802828 p 0027115555555
the access code, then I add p to pause then their number.
The HUGE problem is that when I dial any of my international contacts, the phone displays the same person... so no matter who I call internationally, it always shows a photo of my friend Ian, and displays his name instead of the person I am actually speaking to. I think this is a bug where WM6.1 only looks at the first 11 characters of a number, but the problem is, all my intl numbers have the same first 11 numbers.
Help MUCH appreciated, thanks,
Mark.
livegod said:
Hello,
I often use an access code to dial internationally, and once I am connected to that access number, I have to enter the number of the person I am calling.
I have an HTC Touch HD with WM6.1pro and cannot find a way to do it. If I connect to the access number, then at the prompt go to my address book and dial a second number, it assumes I want to have two separate calls and puts the access code on Hold... which is not what I want! I do not remember all my friend's numbers, so I do have to use the address book.
With my old nokia n95, once connected I could go to the menu and say I want to dial a DTMF which is the tone you hear when dialing a normal phone. This allows me to follow on with calling the number I need while connected to the call.
Is there a way of doing this on WM6?
I have a kind of work around. I edit my international friends phone numbers as a "car phone" and the numbers look like this
02081802828 p 0027115555555
the access code, then I add p to pause then their number.
The HUGE problem is that when I dial any of my international contacts, the phone displays the same person... so no matter who I call internationally, it always shows a photo of my friend Ian, and displays his name instead of the person I am actually speaking to. I think this is a bug where WM6.1 only looks at the first 11 characters of a number, but the problem is, all my intl numbers have the same first 11 numbers.
Help MUCH appreciated, thanks,
Mark.
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Don't know if it will work... but you coud try (using Advanced Config) to increase the number of digits used to "match" the numbers in the contacts... for example to 18 or 19 numbers... but I cannot immagine what other "consequencies"could happen...
Let us know !
Regards,
K
Hi Kostas
It seems that the problem is actually with spb Mobile Shell and not windows mobile.
When I dial using the windows mobile dialler, it gets the name and picture right, but when I use spb's dialler it shows the wrong person and name...
I will chase it up with them... and thanks for the good idea, unfortunately the Call ID Match does not help the problem.
Efgaristo!
Mark.
this is probably easy to fix or just an error on my part.
I'm using the official rom with some theme mods.
So when i go to the contact list, click on a contact and then click the "call mobile phone" entry for that contact, the option gets activated/grey background, just to get deactivated half a second later and it never actually dials the number (same with people in the favorites list)
The contacts are stored on the phone and copied over from my blackstone, so I know the numbers are all valid.
Anyone got any ideas? Any help would be appreciated
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oh and i can dial just fine when i hiz phone on the today screen, go to the menu and choose "open contact"
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I just realized, when I'm on the contact page of a contact (where you see there phone numbers and so on), I can click Menu -> Show more information, which takes me to the "old" contact page (as it used to be in wm 6.1), where calling someone works as well.
So there are ways around this, it's just annoying having those 2 more presses just to call a number.
I have twice now gone through my contacts and set Mobile first, Home second, etc for several contacts. After my newest ROM flash, the order is all messed up again, even on the Google Contacts side of things.
Is there some feature I'm missing? Am I the only one that wants a predictable listing of phone numbers on my phone?
anyone? 10char
Someone must know...
I get very anoyed by the contact's numbers order.
In my country:
- the mobile numbers begin with 06...
- fixed line numbers depends of the town, but mostly are 011..., 021..., etc.
Now - it realy is a pain in the back to search for a person, and 99% of the time to scroll down to 2cond or third number to pick...
Even when I want to send a message - the same is needed, although in my country it is not possible to send a message to a fixed line number (I know in some countries it is possible).
Is there an app to choose the order of offered numbers to dial, send messages and similar?
Cheers
I found on another forum:
"If you do a long press on the office number, a menu will appear. From the menu, you can select "Make default number". This way, when you dial, it will automatically dial the office number."
But :
- it doesn't appy to message compose,
- it can be applyed to one number only - if someone have 2 mobile phones (personal and work) - it helps just 50%
- it has to be done person by person, and it is a pain...
- it doesn't apply to all the dialers (just to default one)