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I see a lot of threads about Android.
I've never tried converting or even seen it in action but have a question.
How is Android better than Windows Mobile Professional?
Also how is it worse?
Or is it just different?
All I can say is 'try it to believe it.'
I can talk about it on and on, but you are not going to realize what you can get until you try it.
sshark said:
All I can say is 'try it to believe it.'
I can talk about it on and on, but you are not going to realize what you can get until you try it.
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second that. easy enough to dump on your sdcard without even touching your current winmo setup, so try it out and see.
jimt007 said:
I see a lot of threads about Android.
I've never tried converting or even seen it in action but have a question.
How is Android better than Windows Mobile Professional?
Also how is it worse?
Or is it just different?
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Its just better. Really.
Main thing for me, besides that its totally better, is that its finger based. No more silly stylus....
+1.
I just recently went all the way back to the stock sprint 6.1 rom just to see if I could ever live like that again. After spending an hour or so gathering cabs and tweaking everything just to get it to a comfortable state, I realized that all of the things I was trying to do are pretty much already done in even the most basic android builds.
It does come down to preference I suppose, but for me, just signing into my account upon booting android beats digging around for a WMMarketplace cab on a crippled IE browser, cumbersome setups for things like Windows Live, setting up and scheduling active sync, installing replacements for almost every default part of WM.
I really did love windows mobile for a long time. It's certainly one of -if not- the most customizable platforms. If you don't necessarily like how something works in WM, chances are you can do something about it. But that can take time. I was never really that interested in scripting out one of those huge uc files way back when.
The way everything works so well together in android without getting in your way is fantastic, but stop reading this and just trying it!
If you want to get your feet wet:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58383/android.exe
A self-extracting zip file I made to get a friend running Android. It's a all-in-one Haret of zenulator's 1.6 Donut. Just extract the Android folder it contains to your Secure Digital card, then run Haret.exe in Windows Mobile File Explorer. Then hit Run.
For porting contacts from WinMobile to Android, check this:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
You know what? I'm going to quote myself, from another thread:
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Personally, I like Android better than Windows Mobile because:
1. It's significantly faster for me
2. There's more freedom in terms of tweaking it
3. I think it has a MUCH better notification system than WinMo
4. I like the integration with GMail (better than WinMo's Exchange support) and other Google services
5. It has an app market!
These are pretty self explanatory, but I just love the notification system of Android. I was pleasantly surprised to see a weather alert appear in my notification bar after I downloaded the Weather.com app the other day. Everything appears there - including your appointments on your Google Calendar, texts, e-mails - everything. I think it's just great how it's all unified.
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jnadke said:
If you want to get your feet wet:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58383/android.exe
A self-extracting zip file I made to get a friend running Android. It's a all-in-one Haret of zenulator's 1.6 Donut. Just extract the Android folder it contains to your Secure Digital card, then run Haret.exe in Windows Mobile File Explorer. Then hit Run.
For porting contacts from WinMobile to Android, check this:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
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Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
I guess I'm not patient enough to continue to experiment so I just deleted the file and am back to using Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
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Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
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Power Button = Menu Button
Camera Button = Back Button
Hang-Up Button (long press) = Silence, Airplane, Shutdown
Those should work on every Vogue.
cybik said:
Power Button = Menu Button
Camera Button = Back Button
Hang-Up Button (long press) = Silence, Airplane, Shutdown
Those should work on every Vogue.
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I'd like to give a friend the package above, but he is on a Touch Pro. Would this be good for him to try? or is there something else better?
TheKartus said:
Main thing for me, besides that its totally better, is that its finger based. No more silly stylus....
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lol..huh? I have used Windows Mobile forever and cannot remember the last time I used the stylus...in fact, the only time I use it, is to reset the phone through the little hole.
jimt007 said:
Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
I guess I'm not patient enough to continue to experiment so I just deleted the file and am back to using Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
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Well..........after reading some of the replies I reinstalled Android.
Not to belabor the point but I still don't like it as much as Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
I would be losing to many things I'm very pleased with for a change to a different operating system.
It's back off again, I'm staying with Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
If I ever want Android I'll buy an Android phone.
I agree with you about Android, it's not something I would use, but that's just me.
I wouldn't go back to 6.1 though, I'll stay with 6.5.x, it's a lot more finger friendly. The UI graphics on Android is decade behind everybody else. I would need a microscope to see what's on there. That's why HTC developed its own UI. Knowing Google, they probably can make up that decade in a week, but for now its Winmo.
PS you might want to try one of the port/build with SenseUI.
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I agree with you about Android, it's not something I would use, but that's just me.
I wouldn't go back to 6.1 though, I'll stay with 6.5.x, it's a lot more finger friendly. The UI graphics on Android is decade behind everybody else. I would need a microscope to see what's on there. That's why HTC developed its own UI. Knowing Google, they probably can make up that decade in a week, but for now its Winmo.
PS you might want to try one of the port/build with SenseUI.
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To each their own I suppose - but it really sounds like your config is off or you're using some odd build if you "need a microscope to see what's on there".
plemen said:
To each their own I suppose - but it really sounds like your config is off or you're using some odd build if you "need a microscope to see what's on there".
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I would love to be able to increase the font size on Android. I've play around with both 120 and 160 and different resolutions, but unable to increase the font size to something usable. Any help would be appreciated. I've been scouring the net reading up on Android and trying different builds (last one was eclair 2.0.1) because I was offered the Droid for Xmas. After all the readings and research, I turn down the offer in favor of the trusty old Vogue (being made by Motorola is another reason; every Motorola phones I got, I had to open them up and super glued everything down).
I do appreciate some pointers on increasing the font/widgets size on these test builds.
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lol..huh? I have used Windows Mobile forever and cannot remember the last time I used the stylus...in fact, the only time I use it, is to reset the phone through the little hole.
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I often got annoyed with certain apps I put in, certain games, or menus and just brought out the stylus.
Well, one thing you always have to keep in mind running Android on the Vogue, is that it is not native to the Vogue. So, there is always going to be little imperfections. I was so impressed by Android on the Vogue, that I bought a G1. So now I run WM6.5 on the Vogue, and Cyanogen's ROMs on my G1. I really will never go back to WM. The only reason I use it now is because I have a contract with Verizon that somebody else pay for. If you really want to be blown away by Android, go to a store and play with a native Android phone. I find content is way more accessible for Android. For an OS that has been out for a very small fraction of the time that WM has been out, it's incredible. Lol, I'm rambling now, point is, try a native Android phone if the Vogue port doesn't suit you. Don't give up on it too easily.
Hello
I am using NFSFAN latest rom on my vogue.Have not tried any android as yet.Honestly,I have not followed it atall.So I am a complete noob to android platform.
So can anybody point me where I can get all the guidanceThanks.
Wow! I don’t mean to sound patronizing but I am genuinely impressed by the quality of responses to this question. Someone actually dared to ask a question about comparing WM vs. Android and there wasn’t any of the typical flame war style responses. Thanks guys! Just one more reason why I like the XDA forums.
I have been looking for a clear and concise answer (or partial answer) on this exact topic myself. I was hoping to get a quantifiable “here’s why I like Android” or “here’s why I like WM” response and I finally found something in this discussion.
I find that a certain anti-Microsoft sentiment often clouds these discussions to the point where they are not useful.
I have been using WM for *years* and develop applications for it. I am also supporting over 50+ Windows Mobile-based devices in the enterprise (warehouse & sales force automation apps). So when people come out and say stuff like “WM is slow, bloated and buggy” I find it an unhelpful response. I just have to chalk their comments up to anti-Microsoft sentiment that is so popular these days.
From this discussion I have a partial conclusion. It seems that the main difference between WM and Android are from a “user experience” perspective. Both of them seem to be reliable robust platforms from an OS perspective. The problem is that the WM interface is dated and heavily stylus oriented. Microsoft’s response to this is to make things “bigger” but not to radically rethink the user interface.
Windows Mobile in its present form bears an uncanny resemblance to Pocket PC 2002. This was designed to compete (and win) against the then popular PalmOS.
Android represents a complete rethink from a user interface perspective. On top of that companies like HTC add their own stuff like SenseUI (on Android) and TouchFLO (on WM) that change the user experience some more. So sometimes that makes the discussion more about the phone manufacturer (HTC vs. Samsung for example) then about the platform itself.
Microsoft is in a tough spot with WM right now. There is a huge install base of mobile business apps running on industrialized PDA’s (stuff like the MC75, MC55, Intermec CN50, etc, etc). The Purolator guys use WM for proof-of-delivery. These types of apps are often custom developed, expensive and have long life cycles. They are not sexy but they get work done.
Radically rethinking the WM user interface would likely break a lot of these types of applications. Everyone knows when switching to Android that their existing WM apps will not run. But everyone expects their existing WM apps from 1998 to run unmodified on the latest version of WM (and surprisingly they often do).
So how does Microsoft keep WM dominant in the business sector while at the same time making it “exciting and sexy” in the rapidly changing consumer marketplace?
Tough spot indeed. I wonder what they will do. I do love the competition from Android (and iPhone) and expect to see cool stuff from WM in the future. I just hope it doesn’t break too many of my 10+ year old apps ;-)
Regards,
The Fish
EDIT: this has been changed to try to clear up some confusion. A few people are looking for the following WINMO/ANDROID combination:
- Power Phone on, phone boots WINMO and then automatically boots Android without any user interaction at all.
- Ideally all WINMO boot screens will be removed from boot, if something needs to be in there use an Android or HTC boot screen.
- This could be done by adding CLRCAD.exe and HARET.exe to the WINMO boot sequence in the registry / batch file perhaps.
- Totally strip down the WINMO rom so it simply acts as a software facilitator to load android, very little has to actually work. Programs, ring tones, etc etc could be removed enabling the Phone to boot WINMO in less than a minute before HARET is called.
- Boot sequence calls to ANDROID build should be standardised so the ANDROID rom can be changed at will by simply copying a new Android folder to the SD renaming the old one. (as most currently are)
This would serve as a good intermediate option between (1) running Android on NAND scrapping WINMO altogether vs (2) Running WINMO on NAND / running Android on SD. The phone would feel more like an Android unit, boot quicker but also allow easy upgrade options for Android whilst allowing an easy fall back to WINMO if required.
Please DO NOT comment on whether or not you feel this is necessary, enough people already do feel this would be a useful option, if you know of a ROM which already has this facility then DO NOT comment without posting a link to it.
Thanks
If I am not mistaken, you will have to boot into WinMo if not booting from NAND. The device boot into WinMo by default.
If you want fast boot time than you should try one of the following
darkstone SuperRAM FroYo v1.2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
MDJ FroYo Streak Lite v. 0.4 RAM Edition http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871804
Darkstone figured out a way to load android system into RAM which is way faster than SD or NAND.
So you can find a strip down WinMo ROM with a boot loader and run one of the RAM build. There has been reports of boot time of 2 minutes or less.
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I have seen a lot of discussions regarding SD vs NAND and wonder if there is a better intermediate solution for those wanting to bypass winmo and not using nand at all. I am using NAND and it is easily fast enough for me and much better than winmo.
Has anyone built a heavily stripped down winmo rom maximised for Andriod that auto boots android so we don't even have to load it manually from winmo? I would prefer this over NAND as I could much more easily switch back to winmo or change my android ROM. Ideally it would have no winmo boot screens and simply bypass them only showing the Android screen.
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you're not running from NAND...
stoolzo said:
I have seen a lot of discussions regarding SD vs NAND and wonder if there is a better intermediate solution for those wanting to bypass winmo and not using nand at all. I am using NAND and it is easily fast enough for me and much better than winmo.
Has anyone built a heavily stripped down winmo rom maximised for Andriod that auto boots android so we don't even have to load it manually from winmo? I would prefer this over NAND as I could much more easily switch back to winmo or change my android ROM. Ideally it would have no winmo boot screens and simply bypass them only showing the Android screen.
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Wow... Just wow...
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Wow... Just wow...
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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+1 on the wow!
interesting thread for someone who already passed 400 posts. and i thought that i am asking stupid questions every day
but i will give you a hint, just because of your avatar (i have three rats - but none of them is that creature in my avatar lol): there ARE winmo roms stripped down to work best way with android. one of them is goatrip android 1.0 which i am using - it also includes a autostart for haret.exe... since this winmo rom is really old, you should search for it by yourself!
stoolzo said:
Has anyone built a heavily stripped down winmo rom maximised for Andriod that auto boots android so we don't even have to load it manually from winmo? I would prefer this over NAND as I could much more easily switch back to winmo or change my android ROM. Ideally it would have no winmo boot screens and simply bypass them only showing the Android screen.
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OzDROID
Energy
stoolzo said:
I have seen a lot of discussions regarding SD vs NAND and wonder if there is a better intermediate solution for those wanting to bypass winmo and not using nand at all. I am using NAND and it is easily fast enough for me and much better than winmo.
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PLEASE search before posting
personal attack removed
I know how Android works, I have been using it instead of winmo for weeks now. What I am suggesting for those children who are more interested in starting arguments than actually having an adult conversation is that it would be good to have a intermediate set up between nand and the current haret set up for those who never want to go nand.
Nand: full android boot, no winmo at all.
Current haret setup: boot winmo and then click on an icon that starts both clrcad.exe and haret.exe.
My suggestion: Turn on phone, boots winmo but also boots android during the same operation it would feel like a fully android phone. Clearly you would have to set a flag file on the SD card to stop auto booting Android in case you did want to drop back into winmo but for me this would be ideal as I never go near winmo anymore but I like to have it there just in case.
Get it now everyone?????
Been doing that for ages mine auto boots haret.exe....
does it take you to winmo and then you see haret starting automatically or does the screen stay black all the way through until you get the Andriod splash?
Sorry but your running nand? Have I missed something?
again total understanding failure, there as no ROMS exactly as I have described, yes there are stripped down roms, loads of them, yes there are haret auto boot programs but show me a rom that boots directly into android from power on?
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Thread re-opened. Please keep the swearing and vulgarities to yourselves from here on out. Next time this thread will not be reopened.
granted but I think I poster has the right to respond to personal attacks.
Back to the thread, both roms offered take me halfway as they have stripped down ROMS, but guess what, I am already running a stripped down down using an auto bootloader, this is not what I am after. Yes Windows has to load to load haret, duh but do you have to see it?, does it have to fully load to desktop?, could the haret loader not be cooked into the boot sequence so the windows mobile desktop is bypassed or only flashes up momentarily before android boots.
noob bashing: there is nothing wrong with being a noob, personally I think far to many people on here make a few posts, get to a certain level and then get lulled into a false sense of competence where the feel they can attack people.
Searching: yes you should always search and it is useful for some things like a specific application, fault or ROM, but breaking news, it isn't that great when you are looking for something very specific, some people haven't got time to spend hours reading threads. I always search but on this occasion I could not find anything that specifically met my requirements, the fact that I have only been offered 2 and neither of these are any different to me current solution only backs up my point that searching is not the be all and end all people make it out to be.
If you haven't got something constructive or helpful to add to this thread DON'T POST.
Unless I'm missing something here, this should answer your question.
Clrcad & haret are both exe files, which I'm sure you know are native to windows. They need Windows in order to run, so it's not possible to run them without first starting Windows. 100% not possible.
stoolzo said:
I have seen a lot of discussions regarding SD vs NAND and wonder if there is a better intermediate solution for those wanting to bypass winmo and not using nand at all. I am using NAND and it is easily fast enough for me and much better than winmo.
Has anyone built a heavily stripped down winmo rom maximised for Andriod that auto boots android so we don't even have to load it manually from winmo? I would prefer this over NAND as I could much more easily switch back to winmo or change my android ROM. Ideally it would have no winmo boot screens and simply bypass them only showing the Android screen.
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What?
stoolzo said:
again total understanding failure, there as no ROMS exactly as I have described, yes there are stripped down roms, loads of them, yes there are haret auto boot programs but show me a rom that boots directly into android from power on?
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No, because thats not possible.
You NEED winmo to boot first, to start up drivers, and to simply run haret.
There are many bootloaders which will auto boot android before the windows mobile home screen is shown.
Does it really matter though? honestly?
You still auto boot into android at the end of the day. Your not losing anything by seeing winmo for a few seconds!
@AllWhomHasPostedEarlier
I think he means to boot into WinMo but without all the crap like splash screen or even most of the "Apps" . Just boot necessary drivers,system files, EBL's etc ... then clrcad & haret are run .. when you actually see nothing of it . Just black screen for instance . Am I right ? Cuz I'm looking for this too !
I cant see anyone bothering to go to all the effort it would take just to find a solution to the "problem" of 10 secs worth of winmo time......
As it is, winmo boots a few seconds later haret is automatically run very soon after boot....... thats as good as its going to get for all your winmophobes........
at least until nand.......
Im sure you can all tolerate a tiny amount of winmo until then cant you??
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@AllWhomHasPostedEarlier
I think he means to boot into WinMo but without all the crap like splash screen or even most of the "Apps" . Just boot necessary drivers,system files, EBL's etc ... then clrcad & haret are run .. when you actually see nothing of it . Just black screen for instance . Am I right ? Cuz I'm looking for this too !
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Yeah I think thats what OP trying to after. Im looking for this too wish there is a cook/dev out there that dont mind spending time to cook such a rom
Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO
I believe there was originally an Android emulator running on WM, but it was slooooooooow!!! There's a whole slew of reasons as to why an Android emulator won't run well on WM, memory being the obvious main one. That's why Android ports were developed to run off the SD card, first dumping Windows from the memory and then running Linux.
Depending on your development experience, you may want to look into programming for Android anyway, if that's where your interest lies. If you've done anything like C# (or other .Net based language like VB.Net) then it's not that big a leap. If you've already done Java development then it's really not a problem - you just need to learn the Android SDK.
If you are intersted, have a look at the following tutorial...
http://www.vogella.de/articles/Android/article.html
It's a great starting point for Android development. It walks you through setting up the dev environment and then a few simple apps to get you going. Any OO experience you have will definitely help. (It may actually prove difficult without it - I can't say for sure.)
Hope this helps
themegastar1 said:
Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO
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I just did a search on your question. And from all the sites i've seen they all come up with the same answer: "no"
The two systems are too far apart from each other to be able to 'port' or emulate it apparently.
At least, this is what i found. Maybe some others might have more luck.
Problem still Not Resolved.
I read both of Your Comments, but still problem is not resolved. johncmolyneux you have told me that there is an emulator(Slow ones), can u tell me the name of that emulator? And I don't want to install android. I have given thanks to you both, but still My problem is not resolved. I need a way to run android apps on wm 6.5.
themegastar1 said:
I read both of Your Comments, but still problem is not resolved. johncmolyneux you have told me that there is an emulator(Slow ones), can u tell me the name of that emulator? And I don't want to install android. I have given thanks to you both, but still My problem is not resolved. I need a way to run android apps on wm 6.5.
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It was about 8-9 months ago so no, I'm afraid don't know the name, but it was on xda so you can search the forum for it.
Let me put it clearly though. The emulator was so slow that it was immediately dropped and no-one ever used it. It's basically Windows, running a Linux emulator, running Android. It was terrible and unusable.
Why is it imperative that you run Android apps on WM? If you explain then maybe we can understand more and hopefully offer more constructive help.
Why I want to run Android Apps on WM.
The Reason for this is- I need Google Goggles for my HD2 and some other apps too. But Windows Mobile Technology is Better, Easy to Use and Expensive. And HTC offers HTC Sense along with HD2 which makes it more easy to use and attractive too. These all things are not possible by using Android. But Android has a big App Marketplace. This is the reason why I want to run android apps in WM.
Okay, I'll make it very clear then. You will not get this. The only solutions available are to find a version of google goggles on WM (not likely), or to run Android on your phone.
You can run it from the SD card, but it does mean a restart every time you want to switch from WM to Android and then back again.
Also, there are many Android builds available that include HTC Sense. There's some very nice Desire HD builds out there.
Sorry to give bad news, but you are not going to get what you're asking for.
OK! Necessity leads to invention!
Ya, but still, IF I make something then the problem will be resolved. I'm thinking to make Android Emulator in this Summer(May-June 2011). If I made it, then it will be good for all WM users, so nobody will switch to Android to get all apps. Anyway, johncmolyneux thanks for your efforts. By the way, Which Phone you are using. And with which OS(WM/Android/Bada/Ubuntu/S40/S60/Symbian 3rd Edition or any other) you are using? Necessity leads to invention!
Regards
Arun Wadhwa
Themegastar1 Owner
Please give me THANKS!!!!!
Well good luck with that mate - I think you'll need it
I'm using a Nexus One Gingerbread ROM at the minute. It's fast and stable - everything works just like a native Android device!
You do realize that you can boot into Android from Windows mobile on your hd2. That way you have winmo still on your phone, and when you need to use Android, you can use haret.exe to boot into an Android build running from the SD card. You have to restart the phone to get back into Windows mobile, but that only takes a minute or 2. And it only takes a minute to boot into Android. This way you can run both OS's on your hd2.
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Ya, but still, IF I make something then the problem will be resolved. I'm thinking to make Android Emulator in this Summer(May-June 2011). If I made it, then it will be good for all WM users, so nobody will switch to Android to get all apps.
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Excelent example of high achievment goal.
So what you need?
Remapping all Android API to WM API with necessary additional functionality, so running whole Android emulator will be not necessary. This will save memory and gain some speed.
Similar to already known solutions on Linux platform which can run Windows applications on several platforms like winehq.org.
How much effort will be necessary?
Depends on which applications area that has to be covered.
Depends on knowledges about both operating systems.
Depends on accessibility to source code of the system and the applications which supposed to run with this framework.
Is summer vacations enough?
Future will reveal, but if you really are genius, please turn to good side
So this project will be definitely something which people will pay for, those who has WM favorites programs and are not willing to change the whole system to run some new.
Anyway aplications will be maybe running, but most of them will miss the stability and advantages of the Android operating system.
pedroxxx said:
Excelent example of high achievment goal.
So what you need?
Remapping all Android API to WM API with necessary additional functionality, so running whole Android emulator will be not necessary. This will save memory and gain some speed.
Similar to already known solutions on Linux platform which can run Windows applications on several platforms like winehq.org.
How much effort will be necessary?
Depends on which applications area that has to be covered.
Depends on knowledges about both operating systems.
Depends on accessibility to source code of the system and the applications which supposed to run with this framework.
Is summer vacations enough?
Future will reveal, but if you really are genius, please turn to good side
So this project will be definitely something which people will pay for, those who has WM favorites programs and are not willing to change the whole system to run some new.
Anyway aplications will be maybe running, but most of them will miss the stability and advantages of the Android operating system.
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I think I got some of the Ideas, I have to Create a platform build on Windows Mobile with the help of WM API, it will require Android SDK too. If I will create an app that has the compatibility of Android, I could name it as Emulator. Means just another platform running on a OS.
i would donate for this...
work hard guys..gudluck!
If you're looking to hack your HD2 to get Windows Phone 7, be aware of this:
1. It's completely unsupported by Microsoft or HTC
2. It will erase all data on your phone and SD card in it
3. Unless you get a correct micro SD card, it will randomly reboot. A short term fix for this is to play an album in Zune and put the phone on vibrate.
4. It will greatly diminish your battery life. You will need an extended battery just to make it through a whole day.
5. You have to jailbreak it and install a certificate and move a file or two using third party app to download apps and then call up Microsoft in hopes they will give you the code.
6. There is a minor 3G problem; to fix it, try going into the settings, then tap on cellular, scroll down and click add apn, then in the APN field, type in internet2.voicestream.com and leave the user name and password fields blank. If that doesn't work, try typing in wap.voicestream.com or epc.tmobile.com. Make sure you turn roaming on. Note: Only works if you have T-Mobile.
I tried it but I put WP6.5 back on because it has a file explorer, you don't need Marketplace to install all of you apps you can just download them from the internet and install them, it has internet sharing, and for $25 I can get a personal hotspot. I also like the camera better because it is widescreen and takes panorama. I can do prettymuch anything with it!
I was JUST about to see what the fuss was about... And now I see its not worth it. Thanks! You saved me some headaches, lol
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Ared777 said:
If you're looking to hack your HD2 to get Windows Phone 7, be aware of this:
1. It's completely unsupported by Microsoft or HTC - Who gives a hoot? If people are on XDA, they're not very likely to worry too much about that... They get all their support right here...
2. It will erase all data on your phone and SD card in it - True, but anyone thinking of going WP7 on their HD2 should already be aware of this and have purchased a decent card...
3. Unless you get a correct micro SD card, it will randomly reboot. A short term fix for this is to play an album in Zune and put the phone on vibrate. - True, but anyone thinking of going WP7 on their HD2 should already be aware of this and have purchased a decent card...
4. It will greatly diminish your battery life.- I have not found this to be the case... I find it drains about the same as the stock rom that was delivered with my phone... You will need an extended battery just to make it through a whole day.
5. You have to jailbreak it and install a certificate and move a file or two using third party app to download apps and then call up Microsoft in hopes they will give you the code. Crap, just get the code... I didn't have to jailbreak a thing...
6. There is a minor 3G problem; to fix it, try going into the settings, then tap on cellular, scroll down and click add apn, then in the APN field, type in internet2.voicestream.com and leave the user name and password fields blank. If that doesn't work, try typing in wap.voicestream.com or epc.tmobile.com. Make sure you turn roaming on. Note: Only works if you have T-Mobile. - T who?
I tried it but I put WP6.5 back on because it has a file explorer, you don't need Marketplace to install all of you apps you can just download them from the internet and install them, it has internet sharing, and for $25 I can get a personal hotspot. I also like the camera better because it is widescreen and takes panorama. I can do prettymuch anything with it!
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Without marketplace and xbox live the WP7 is pretty spartan, but when fully operational there's not an OS near it...
My view for anyone thinking of trying WP7 is, try it fully working and then make a decision... Have a stock WM rom ready if WP7 aint for you...
Im sorry but most of this is utter FUD!
There are a few things wrong with the HD2 running WP7 but given that it was never supposed to work with it anyway i think its amazing
WP7 has been on my HD2 for months, it works fantasticly, and i wont go back to Droid or WM for my main OS
Note i do sill use a WM6.5 device for some key software that i cant get on WP7 but other than 2 pieces of software its great!
SD cards are a big issue, its luck if you get one taht works, that is one of the things you have to pay to be able to use this OS on our Device, if you dont like it buy an HD7
APN settings are operator specific, use the HTC connection tool and it will sort it all out for you
you dont need to unlock the device if you intend to use LEGAL apps from the market place, if you wish to use dodgy apps or unsigned XAPs developed by users then you will need to unlock it. Normally ALL you have to do is phone MS or use the chat and get a code, and thats it, everything works
Of course its unsupported by MS, your using software on a device that it was never intened for, why would you think other wise? and it is exactly that thinking that would stop MS from allowing (but not supporting) the HD2 because people like you assume MS should help them! Why!? anyhow, thats why we have XDA-DEV
Battery life is much the same, and very good if you consider PUSH is working
of course it will format the card, i dont see the argument here?
Install linux on your windows computer (not VM), does it format anything? yes it does
GunBuri said:
I was JUST about to see what the fuss was about... And now I see its not worth it. Thanks! You saved me some headaches, lol
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mate, talk to people on here that know what they are talking about before you make your mind up, of course the choice is yours but at least make an informed decision based on facts.
argentocruz said:
Without marketplace and xbox live the WP7 is pretty spartan, but when fully operational there's not an OS near it...
You forgot to mention facebook, but anyway those three things are what WP7 is targeted for. I got to play around with two native devices and to me they feel like a mobile gaming device that has the added advantage of making phonne calls and accessing the internet via a mobile network and not WiFi
My view for anyone thinking of trying WP7 is, try it fully working and then make a decision... Have a stock WM rom ready if WP7 aint for you...[/B]
I agree totally as WP7 as it is currently even in native WP7 devices is not for everyone. Maybe in the future it will improve but something tells me it will not as it is not geared to be a functional OS for a mobile device but just a gaming and social networking device OS.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah
I just had to reply to this.
I'm tech savvy, but not so when it comes to phones, so i spent weeks reading up on here. No way could I do what you guys do, but I read enough to not brick my phone.
I followed one of the guides, phone worked but was buggy.
Then followed another guide, installed a different ROM and phone is great. Activated via online chat with microsoft rep who was very patient and helpful as I originally entered code using caps, should all be lower case.
I now have a fully functional wp7 device, bing maps works very quick, hotmail contacts sync constantly, zune music sync is flawless, battery now actually lasts more than a full day (used to barely do that on wm6.5) and now I even have a full res camera too, nothing wrong at all with wp7 on my phone.
Every once in a while it stops accessing my apps, but to be honest my hd2 already had the occasional quirk. A quick reboot fixes that (and it is quick).
I bought a 16gb class 2 sandisk sd card from amazon for £16 as I read that is likely to work. Not had an issue with it.
If you read around and understand it takes a little work (though not that much) then having wp7 on an hd2 is really good.
The only thing I'm missing is turn by turn with voice satnav, but that's missing from wp7 itself and will hopefully be resolved legitimately soon.
Sorry for the long post, but I really felt like I needed to comment.
by the way, thanks to all you guys for the amazing work you've done, allowing me to post the above.
guys is there any way i can dual boot wp7 and android , either from nand or sd card ??
Absolutely, via SD card and MAGLDR.
There is a thread with full instructions on the Development forum - here
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true........ but
argentocruz:
1. True dat
2. 16 gb micro sd card: $50, for that much, just extend your contract and get a refurb HD7, same price.
3. [Same]
4. Not in my experience
5. I live in the U.S. enough said.
You are still forgetting the internet sharing, which doesnt exist on WP7, which was one of the main reasons I bought the HD2. Also you have the file explorer, which was also very nice. I could be wrong, but I don't think you can download files directly from the internet, either in WP7; didn't have long enough to try it.
Bottom line: WP7 is just a glorified iPhone, Windows Mobile gives you true freedom.
I absolutely love WP7 on my HD2. Sure there are a few....I mean VERY few things I miss from WinMo, but not enough to revert back or go to android (bleh). I actually have a phone that works now, lol! The main thing I miss from WinMo on HD2 is the camera. Other than that, I'm EXTREMELY happy with WP7. And getting the activation code & unlocking the phone are so easy, it wouldn't deter any real poweruser. Plus I love the challenge of learning/hacking a new OS, especially one that's a challenge.
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argentocruz:
Bottom line: WP7 is just a glorified iPhone, Windows Mobile gives you true freedom.
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i agree that WM is an amazing OS, it was seriously hampered by the networks and very poor driver support though, IF we had the correct drivers for the graphics it would rival WP7 and Android.
However, that is not the case, so whilst WM remains a beast of an OS that can do almost anything its not got a good UI and its social intigration isnt as good.
which is exactly why i want to dual boot WM and WP7, at the moment i have to take my old Touch HD around if i wish to use WM which isnt ideal
To say WP7 is like an iPhone isnt completely correct, its similar yes, are targeted to the same demographic but after using an iphone and android for quite a long time, you wont find me moving back.
If they cant get WM to dual boot with WP7 i would love WP7 to have a sandboxed WM environment to allow me to run WM apps or even better as devices get more powerful with dual cores to have an Emulated WM OS
The potential for WP7 is massive, we can only hope they take WM and somehow shove its functionality in to WP7, sand boxed for course to maintain OS integrity, which unfortunatly is what WM failed at.
The carriers buggered it for WM, and MS got the blame for it, what people dont realise is that MS had little to do with what happened to MS, other than its inaction and sorting it out that is!
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i agree that WM is an amazing OS, it was seriously hampered by the networks and very poor driver support though, IF we had the correct drivers for the graphics it would rival WP7 and Android.
However, that is not the case, so whilst WM remains a beast of an OS that can do almost anything its not got a good UI and its social intigration isnt as good.
which is exactly why i want to dual boot WM and WP7, at the moment i have to take my old Touch HD around if i wish to use WM which isnt ideal
To say WP7 is like an iPhone isnt completely correct, its similar yes, are targeted to the same demographic but after using an iphone and android for quite a long time, you wont find me moving back.
If they cant get WM to dual boot with WP7 i would love WP7 to have a sandboxed WM environment to allow me to run WM apps or even better as devices get more powerful with dual cores to have an Emulated WM OS
The potential for WP7 is massive, we can only hope they take WM and somehow shove its functionality in to WP7, sand boxed for course to maintain OS integrity, which unfortunatly is what WM failed at.
The carriers buggered it for WM, and MS got the blame for it, what people dont realise is that MS had little to do with what happened to MS, other than its inaction and sorting it out that is!
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^agreed. I'm waiting for someone to release (probably cotulla) to release WM6.5 or WP7 for an SD card and just boot into whichever system is necessary. WP7 would probably be my primary because it is less buggy, easier to use, and has much better apps. Also I agree with you that they should have put WM functionality into WP7, because WM was probably the closest mobile OS to an actual computer OS, because it had the file explorer, also you can install programs from anywhere, not just Marketplace. That was what really disappointed me about WP7, and also it didn't have internet sharing, which was such a great feature! All you had to do was tap the button, plug it into your computer, and click connect and within 2 minutes you were getting internet on your PC through your phone.
Actually, if properly installed WP7 runs better than its native WinMo 6.5, and much better than Android!
I have been using it for the last few months without glitches, bugs, etc.
It is simple, all your basics (texts, emails, contacts, IE) are easily accessible; typing on it is better than anything out there (including Iphone), very simple and intuitive graphics.
However, when you get into 'hubs' and apps WP7's sheer graphic beauty comes forward. And this is what makes it a great OS, simple for every day use (too many screens and widgets in Android come to mind as something I wish to avoid), and beautiful when you get deeper into it!
Also, it is very FAST and stable!
There is also something called Touch Explorer which is same as File Explorer in WM6.5.
You can also download Navigo for your navigational needs, and may I tell you it runs perfectly and is very accurate.
There is a plethora of apps here on XDA which you can download onto your unlocked HD2 (an advantage over native devices) just do some research and you will have everything you had on your old WM6.5.
Do you remember the Voice Commander on the old OS, you had to reinstall it every time you flashed a ROM, it was slow, and leggy. On WP7 is fast and very accurate.
My advice is to properly flash this OS, use it for a month and you will not revert to WM or Android.
Also, it would not hurt to see the upcoming Mango update (go to Youtube) to see in which direction this OS is moving.
Microsoft did not enter the mobile market with this OS to play, it came to kill.
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Sorry for being off topic, but this guy's sig attracted me.
"Black HTC HD2" .. lol wut ?
I love the fluidity of the OS, but sometimes it is so simple and clean that it become annoying (Coming from Android NAND). I would still prefer android but you really can't beat WP7 on the HD2 since it has 720p recording. The HTC Hub application is pretty nice too.
I has not played with windows phone for a long time, just tried wp7 flash recently with HD2. damn, a lot tricky things.
- wp7 lock the SD card
- no file explorer.
- very hard to side load applications.
- cab file is not back compatible.
- certificate chain, Developer-uplock/ChevronWP7 unlock, Interop-unlock, FullUnlock.....
WTF are they trying to accomplish with all those limitations and making a system so complicated?
no wondering MS mobile market share is shrinking.
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I has not played with windows phone for a long time, just tried wp7 flash recently with HD2. damn, a lot tricky things.
- wp7 lock the SD card
- no file explorer.
- very hard to side load applications.
- cab file is not back compatible.
- certificate chain, Developer-uplock/ChevronWP7 unlock, Interop-unlock, FullUnlock.....
WTF are they trying to accomplish with all those limitations and making a system so complicated?
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reading is blessing and knowledge.... you not read anything....
only BTTF ROM lock card.... others NOT...
yes, you have File Explorer, just need to install it or is already in ROM....
cab files is compatible with BTTF ROM....
no need any unlock for HD2 ROM-s.... is already unlocked....
jessezx said:
no wondering MS mobile market share is shrinking.
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what is meaning of your post? to show your ignorance?
dxdy said:
reading is blessing and knowledge.... you not read anything....
only BTTF ROM lock card.... others NOT...
yes, you have File Explorer, just need to install it or is already in ROM....
cab files is compatible with BTTF ROM....
no need any unlock for HD2 ROM-s.... is already unlocked....
what is meaning of your post? to show your ignorance?
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- if you think all above listed items are not problems, why don't delete all other posts and leave the only candidate BTTF ROM or recommend BTTF as the best ROM in stick area.
- is there a BTTF 7740 rom? no, you had to upgrade from 7004-> 7403 -> 7720-> 7740
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236027
- I can't get 7004 BTTF rom working in my HD2 after 6 hours, it just freezes in home screen after reboot. Flashing any android rom is less than 1 hour.
- don't you see many dedicated threads about how to revive SD cards?
- side loading has to go through all those hassle, in android, just one check box.
- windows live activation, needs activation code and call customer service to get the code. WTH. signing in android market place is like a breeze.
- in all, just my $0.02.
- Market share is raising, not shrinking.
- SD card in BTTF rom can be unlocked by CAB
- Yes, BTTF rom is 7004 and it's tricky to get it working because of SD card, just read and you will get results
- Actually installing BTTF from scratch to 7740 is better for me, makes you feel more.. customizable, like you have all power of your rom in your hands
- Windows Activation is annoying, just get used to it like others did
- What is MS trying to accomplish? Well I guess to success... And I'm fan, I love WP7.
By the way... every system is complicated when it is not OpenSource.. just be glad to have all these amazing people here and stop complaining.
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just be glad to have all these amazing people here and stop complaining.
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totally agree... people who not satisfied with WP7 have too much choice and can use what want... this is beauty of game...
i tried all of them and can say: WP7 is best...
idiot
iphone is wide open right?
all android have unlocked bootloader right?
..and I dont get what YOU are trying to say us here
Microsoft was trying to create a more user-friendly and stable OS. and they did it.
Increasing stability means you have to make restrictions. and they did.
You should stay with Android probably if you have a problem with this.
And as said above, Microsofts market-share is growing. It's always hard to start from scratch.
I has not played with windows phone for a long time, just tried wp7 flash recently with HD2. damn, a lot tricky things.
Well, getting an OS running on a device 2 years old that was never officially supposed to have WP on it can take a wee bit of time, it was never going to be easy, be thankful its possible at all
- wp7 lock the SD card
It sure does, its called security, its an SD standard, not a MS one, its just very few have ever bothered to use it
- no file explorer.
on the stock WP OS, you dont need one, if you do need one, then you can get one
- very hard to side load applications.
And MS should make it "easy" for us?, side loading couldnt get any easier, open up WPDM or WPPT select the XAP and click install, how much easier do you want it to be?
- cab file is not back compatible.
Im assuming you mean CABs from Windows Mobile? or perhaps do you mean new CAB installs only work on Yuki/xbox compatible ROMs?, if its the former then actually people are already looking in to making old WM programs work on here, MS doesnt have to provide Backward compatibilty, its a different OS, different APIs and file systems. If it was the latter then thats the nature of modding, we have two systems, a cab updatable and zune updatable OS, or an OS that has all the bits installed but requirers reflashing updates, its called having choice
- certificate chain, Developer-uplock/ChevronWP7 unlock, Interop-unlock, FullUnlock.....
Thats all done on some ROMs and almost done on others, you dont need to worry about it
WTF are they trying to accomplish with all those limitations and making a system so complicated?
lol, its only complicated when you try an do something with it that it wasnt designed for, as an OS out of the box its one of the most simple, quick and well desgined OSs out there, MS got its hands burnt with WM because OEMs and Networks screwed the OS sideways, it wasnt making that mistake again and i dont blame them
no wondering MS mobile market share is shrinking
Of couse MS market share dropping, with WM it was essentially the only PocketPC/Smartphone maker out there, it enjoyed ~90% market share, until everyone else copied it, an to be fair caught MS with their eye off the ball.
i don't know, forcing people to use the cloud is pretty evil in my opinion. all it does is make what was once SECURE DATA completely unsecured.
when the government wants to control the internet, all they have to do is stage a big hakkor attack on "the cloud" and everyone will be so outraged that they will support complete government control over the internet.
How are they "forcing" you to use cloud?
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dazza9075 said:
How are they "forcing" you to use cloud?
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try moving phone contacts to/from a PC without using the cloud
try syncing outlook and calendar with your pc without using the cloud
try moving Microsoft Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents to/from a PC without using the cloud
need any more examples?
Lol, I do all the time, its called exchange, and SharePoint. No one forces you, last time I checked no one held a gun to my head to use live, perhaps you'd rather google, oh wait a min... Funny thing with outlook, since I stopped syncing with it I've never had calendar miss match issues. Also email usually works just fine moving files about. Obviously exchange helps a bit here but no one is forcing you to use live or google
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