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Another battery drain problem - driving me CRAZY!!

I know there are already a lot of discussions on battery drain and believe me, I have read every single one of them. However, I think mine is slightly different:
When fully charged and using WIFI for 10 minutes, 10% of juice will be used. Listening to MP3 for 1 hour will also use another 10%. Overall, battery life is really bad but the key is it only happened suddenly. It have been very good up till now.
I have tested this on another battery and have exactly the same results so it is not battery related. I have also hard reset the phone and tested the battery with nothing installed and it still drains. A full charge only lasts me like 4 hour of very light use.
I installed Battlog and the power consumption is around 90 which I think is pretty low, but at times, even with this low consumption, I can see the battery usage literally falling before my eyes, like 5 % in 5 minutes.
I have also tried the HTC battery test, i.e. fully charged the battery, turned on plane mode and full brightness. After one hour, it only used 8% which I thought is normal. However, if I start using the phone by just simply clicking around, it will start dropping.
I believe the phone is fine on standby but once it starts doing things, even simple operations like moving around folders, it starts consuming a lot of power.
This all happens after an overnight charging episode when I noticed that the light stays amber in the morning and the percentage stays at 80%. I soft reset the phone and it immediately show 100%. This has never happen again but my battery usage is never normal since.
All in all, I think it is somehow hardware related, like the battery gauge is bad or the charging is never complete but it still shows green. It is still under warranty but I think will be very difficult to convince the service centre that there is something genuinely wrong with the phone.
P.S. Should also mentioned that I am using the stock telstra rom and have also cycled through the batteries twice before testing.

I had the same problem...
You should try resetting you battery:
1: let your battery drain to 0%
2: fully charge your battery while keeping your phone off!
this solved the problem for me..

Fenixz said:
I had the same problem...
You should try resetting you battery:
1: let your battery drain to 0%
2: fully charge your battery while keeping your phone off!
this solved the problem for me..
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I had actually "reset" the battery but only drain it to 5% before recharging as I have read that it is not safe to drain to 0%. I'll try to completely drain it tonight and recharge. Will report back.
btw, I noticed that when the battery is charged to 100%, the led stays amber for about 15-20 minutes before turning green. Is this normal or should it turn green immediately after reaching 100%?

Tried completely draining the battery and charge overnight but have no effect. The problem persists. So this is definitely not a battery problem.
I guess the last thing I can try is charging the battery with a standalone charger or another HD to see if there is problem with the charging mechanism in my phone.

The latest Telstra rom seems a bit better on battery

led amber
The led amber must turn to green
immediately after unplugging.
some thing is wrong with your charge
system .

aidinali said:
The led amber must turn to green
immediately after unplugging.
some thing is wrong with your charge
system .
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aidinali, can you please explain what you mean? I thought the led will go off if you unplugged the charger. My problem is that after reaching 100% as indicated on the phone, the led stays amber for another 15 minutes before turning green.

Well , I'll correct & explain more....
1-when you reach %100 ,the led will turn to green immediately (if you’r phone is plugged in).
2-if you unplug ,the led will turn off (as you said ).
The problem is that since the battery meter in HD has not been defined by percentage , it doesn't match with
Apps like battery level or battlog .so when you see %100 on them , it' s not "real % 100 ".

I believe there is something wrong with the phone as the percentage usage and charging status do not match. However, since the basic HTC software does not have any battery usage in percentage, it’s hard to convince the service centre that something is wrong.
Any software that shows the battery as a percentage all have the same reading, so I assume they all rely on the mainboard for that information. There is obviously something wrong with either the charging process of the phone or draining more battery than it needs during usage.

I have 100% exactly the same problem as in the original post.
Does anyone else?
I have also tried 2 batteries and had exactly the same results with both, so I also know it is not the battery. The only app I have installed other than Dutty's 6.5 rom is Tomtom which does not need to be run for any of these issues to occur.
Any chance on warranty? I think it's software...

Try a different ROM. I've been having the same problem. I just flashed a new ROM about an hour ago (partly because Dutty's 6.5 kept freezing). I'm hoping both problems will be solved now.

i've found the latest radio rom to make a big different to battery life. 1.14.25.24_radio
the previous radio rom (1.13?) did suck the juice and made battery last 2 days less than 1.14

Try charging with a different charger. Ie. connect a USB cable on your PC and charge it from there.
I've had very similar problems with the stock charger a month after i got my TouchHD, and ended up testing with my old P4350 charger and all problems went away.
I've had similar drains even witch WiFi off, no emails, exchange or 3G access...
Now i'm getting a whole day's usage and i'm left with 30-40% battery, with 2 hours average talk time

I've tried with a number of chargers.....battery still sucks.
I've just switched from Dutty's to Energy ROM, radio is 1.14
If anything...energy drains more quickly than Dutty's
It says it drawing 350mA

Ok, I've used Energy ROM but now using Dutty's Leo. The only thing I've loaded so far is Battery Guard which say it's drawing 98mA when on standby(ie....backlight goes off). That'sa massive difference on the 250mA readings I used to get....now all I have todo is figure out which program I'm loading that is killing my battery.
That still only equates to 12 - 13 hours on a good standard battery with no use at all.

samlives said:
Ok, I've used Energy ROM but now using Dutty's Leo. The only thing I've loaded so far is Battery Guard which say it's drawing 98mA when on standby(ie....backlight goes off). That'sa massive difference on the 250mA readings I used to get....now all I have todo is figure out which program I'm loading that is killing my battery.
That still only equates to 12 - 13 hours on a good standard battery with no use at all.
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Standard battery should last longer. Sounds like your battery may be slightly faulty. Make sure you let battery drain fully before charging, and always try charging with device off. Should help improve strength.

I had same problem when i flashed miri's rom, hd got warm and didn't last, it cooled down in standby, the answer to my problem was that the wifi was not set to save battery mode, once i set it to save power everything was ok

Used 8% in 24 hours
Fallen Spartan said:
Standard battery should last longer. Sounds like your battery may be slightly faulty. Make sure you let battery drain fully before charging, and always try charging with device off. Should help improve strength.
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Have been trying that for a month now....something seems to have suddenly worked It only used 8% of the battery in 24 hours! I live in the rainforest with no service so cellular was turned off...wifi on, but I only accessed it about 6 times......still,nothing has changed. The same conditions would leave me with a dead battery in 7 hours previously.
Time will tell if it keeps up this well.
By the way....Thanks

So basically you're saying people should drain down the battery to 1% or so and not to 0% (device dies when battery is out) to get a better battery strength?

Seems to be the general consensus. I'm still not sure if that's what made the difference for me but previously,I would put my device to standbye when I went to sleep at 10:30pm and it would be dead by 6am

Nexus One Battery Charging

Greetings all, I was wondering if anyone else has noticed that their battery doesn't charge to full when using the wall charger or USB? I have LiPo chargers from RC cars and I have used one to discharge and fully charge the battery to 1400mah and found that the phone seems to have much better battery life than when charged with wall charger / USB.
When charged with the external ("direct") battery charger, I can get to 4211mv whereas normally with the wall/usb it only goes to 4173mv max. From what I know of LiPo/LiIon batteries, they need to get to their max charge voltage (~4200mv) or so and stay there for some time to get full charge.
I have noticed that my phone has terrible battery life when compared to my Touch HD which used to get 20hrs+ of full use on 3G/HSDPA, same usage pattern with push e-mail and I can't even get 12hrs with the Nexus One before the battery runs right down. And I thought the Touch HD had bad battery life!
Any help / feedback would be most appreciated. Thanks!

It's interesting I see this as today has been a very odd battery day. I woke up and unplugged it at exactly 5am. For 7 minutes I checked e-mails and twitter and it had dropped 3%!!! By 8am I was down to 82% (ride in to work, listening to music for 25 mins, thats about all) I was thinking this was getting silly. It's now 5pm here and I'm still at 61%?!?! So, over the first 3 hours it went 6%ph, since then it's done 2.3%... that's the best I've ever got from it.
Could this be related? It's not really fully charged, even though it shows 100%, drops very quickly and then when it returns to where it perhaps should be (around 80%) it acts as normal?
What is a LiPo charger and how can I use one to charge my Nexus battery?

http://blog.quantifly.com/?p=2
iMAX B6 is what I have been using. I have another heavier duty one but this one is good enough for the battery. I have a generic battery charger thing which I got from China which holds the battery while the other unit charges it. Right now as I write this, my phone has been on for 1hr 25minutes after being charged with the charger, I have used the browser for 10minutes, on 3G, downloading things etc. and it is still on 4211mv and 100% charge.
Curious if this is an issue with the onboard battery microchip, or the radio/firmware. Does anyone know where to source an original replacement battery (non-generic replacement)?

The batteries in these smart phones makes no sense. The other day, I charged the phone overnight using USB, and the next day, I was at 97% after 3.5 hrs. Then, another day, with basically the same usage, I'm down to 85% after 3.5 hrs. No rhyme or reason. I wish someone could explain it.
I also wish someone could make a battery that lasts for 48 hours on normal use

"Drops very quicky"
same here but ive had this 'problems' since stock firmware. its not CM related.
I also noticed that its dropping from 100 to 80ish very fast when starting many apps in the morning for example. Like stopping airplane mode, starting some apps and opening browser. stays at 80ish for some hours then

xPatriicK said:
"Drops very quicky"
same here but ive had this 'problems' since stock firmware. its not CM related.
I also noticed that its dropping from 100 to 80ish very fast when starting many apps in the morning for example. Like stopping airplane mode, starting some apps and opening browser. stays at 80ish for some hours then
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Yep. That was the same thing with my Pre. It would never stay at 100% for more than a few minutes, and then it would plummet into the 80's, and then it would be okay.

Battery Antics
I purposely left the phone not to charge last night from about 1AM - and I woke up (around 9:30AM) with it at 99% charge still. Used it for a bit and it dropped to 89% and now it's 1:06PM and it dropped to 75% with calls, web browsing and some other stuff. Previous days to this it would be at 75% after just 2-3 hours!
I also noticed that the phone didn't download any e-mails overnight (since there's no "scheduling" for peak/offpeak like in WM I assumed this shouldn't happen?) which may account for the minimal discharge.
All in all very strange, seems like I am not the only one with these problems - maybe I'll try get another battery and see what happens!

The thing about the battery in a smart phone is that it has a micro chip in it, and the phone reads info from it to give us the battery meter(this is true of any phone, actually)... your LiPo charger reads charge in a similar manner, only it doesn't talk with the batteries chip, instead it does it's own thing(I will spare the details)
With this in mind, what you want to do to get the most out of your battery is get the chip in the battery, and in turn the "circuit" it completes with the phone properly calibrated. To do this, you want to run the phone's battery down until it turns itself off. Do a battery pull and let it sit for a little bit (at least 30 seconds, I usually wait several minutes)... then, put the battery back in, and turn the phone on. One of two things will happen, it will either power off before fully booting, or if it does not you will want to use the phone until it powers off again.
At this point, pull the battery again and let it sit out of the phone for a bit again. Then put it back in, and without trying to power the phone on, put it on the charger and leave it on the charger until it is fully charged "green light comes on" plus a couple hours.(best to leave it on the charger overnight) At this point, take it off the charger, and then turn the phone.
This will properly set the low point and the high point for the battery stats. Do not do this a lot, it is bad for a LiIon battery to be "deep cycled", which this comes really close to doing. Ultimately, the phone is not going to charge the battery as high as a LiPo charger will, nor will it discharge it as low, because unlike an RC car's batteries that are used for rapid discharge, these batteries are designed and used in a slow long term discharge.

Thanks, I'll try that myself
Do you run any risk of damaging the battery when charging with a LiPo?

How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
Very Important:
Anyone purchase a new phone. Its best DO NOT USE the phone with the little remaining power the battery has. It is best that you put the battery in the phone and turn off the phone and change for minimum of 5-6 hours.
The 1st charge for the battery is very important for lithium ion battery. Leaving the phone off will give the full maximize charge the battery can take. Normal when phone shows charge complete by integrator light or on the screen means its 95% complete. To complete the 100% charge you need additional 1-2 hours after the full charge integrator show. Having the phone off also help keep the charge. A phone that is on and charging will never get that 100% charge because there is alway a little battery being drained just because the phone is one even if its plugged in to a charger.
If you see your battery is not giving the same performance what it use to. You can try this method at least 3-4 times for 1 week and follow up every other month. Meaning turn the phone off and charge it every night. It is best if you can drain the battery to 15% or less before charging the phone.

nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
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10. Keep the phone off, it'll not drain the battery at all!

So one person says don't let it drop down low very often, the next person says let it drop to 15% all the time...
Personally I've heard not to let it drop low more often these days. The old 'let it decharge regularly' was talked about a lot 4 or 5 years ago... no?

nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
Very Important:
Anyone purchase a new phone. Its best DO NOT USE the phone with the little remaining power the battery has. It is best that you put the battery in the phone and turn off the phone and change for minimum of 5-6 hours.
The 1st charge for the battery is very important for lithium ion battery. Leaving the phone off will give the full maximize charge the battery can take. Normal when phone shows charge complete by integrator light or on the screen means its 95% complete. To complete the 100% charge you need additional 1-2 hours after the full charge integrator show. Having the phone off also help keep the charge. A phone that is on and charging will never get that 100% charge because there is alway a little battery being drained just because the phone is one even if its plugged in to a charger.
If you see your battery is not giving the same performance what it use to. You can try this method at least 3-4 times for 1 week and follow up every other month. Meaning turn the phone off and charge it every night. It is best if you can drain the battery to 15% or less before charging the phone.
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I think you didn't understand a LI-ION battery!!!
1. completely false
2. I've a mobilephone also I wan't to use it!!!
3. Maybe... Have you tested it with a ampere meter?
4. A black display is always a good idea!
5. Why not buying a Nokia 3210 ?
6. Better: Don't use it for call.
7. Correct! (If you don't use a headset)
8. See Pt. 5
9. See Pt. 5
A few facts:
- a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging
- Limit the time at which the battery stays at 4.20/cell. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.
- 3.92V/cell is the best upper voltage threshold for cobalt-based lithium-ion
- The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge. Stickers instructing to charge the battery for 8 hours or more for the first time may be a leftover from the nickel battery days.
Whole article on: batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm (by Cadex Electronic Inc.)

jahmann82 said:
I think you didn't understand a LI-ION battery!!!
1. completely false
2. I've a mobilephone also I wan't to use it!!!
3. Maybe... Have you tested it with a ampere meter?
4. A black display is always a good idea!
5. Why not buying a Nokia 3210 ?
6. Better: Don't use it for call.
7. Correct! (If you don't use a headset)
8. See Pt. 5
9. See Pt. 5
A few facts:
- a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging
- Limit the time at which the battery stays at 4.20/cell. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.
- 3.92V/cell is the best upper voltage threshold for cobalt-based lithium-ion
- The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge. Stickers instructing to charge the battery for 8 hours or more for the first time may be a leftover from the nickel battery days.
Whole article on: batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm (by Cadex Electronic Inc.)
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I second this as well. The tips given by nuc70st is only applicable in the old days with nickel based batteries (Ni-cd and Ni-MH), which for the past 5 years mobile phones have in general stopped using and have shifted to lithium varieties. Nickel Cadium and a smaller extent Nickel Metal Hydride suffer from "memory effect" so it was important to deep cycle the batteries to maintain its capacity.
Lithium batteries in contrast should be treated in the opposite. You should keep it charged up whenever possible, and fast discharging (draining its charge as fast as possible) actually does more harm than good. Most mobile phones don't discharge it fast enough for it to be problem, but plugging a lithium battery in a purpose made discharger is still a no-no.

I dont know if anybody else can try this with their N1 but I have recently noticed that when my battery does its initial.. drop to 95% before you can wonder what happened, I can charge it with the phone on and the green light stays on, implying that the phone is fully charged.
Then I turn the phone off and charge it, and the red light quickly comes on and allows another hour? of charging before the green light will re-appear.
I think i'll be trying leaving my phone on and on charge overnight and then turning it off while I get ready in the morning and don't necessarily need it.

The green light comes on before the battery is fully charged

AndyCr15 said:
So one person says don't let it drop down low very often, the next person says let it drop to 15% all the time...
Personally I've heard not to let it drop low more often these days. The old 'let it decharge regularly' was talked about a lot 4 or 5 years ago... no?
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I'm right and the other guy is dead wrong. Deep cycling was better for nickel metal hydride batteries, because it helped delay the memory effect.
No such issue for Li-ion batteries, plus charging makes Li-ion batteries HOT, which isn't particularly good for the battery. So numerous charges leads to less exposure to prolonged heating.

nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
all very good tips, but its just funny that to save battery life we cant use ours phones as they where intended for us to use them. I need dilithium crystals.
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mikesm1234 said:
all very good tips
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Oh dear. Have you read this thread?
No, they are not good tips...

Rusty! said:
The green light comes on before the battery is fully charged
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I noticed that just last night! Are you supposed to keep charging it until its 100% or stop it from charging when the green light turns on?
Cheers,
M

Batterytime on the U8800?

Hi!
I am going to buy a Huawei U8800 soon but I am wondering about the battery time, how good is it?
Could you please post a report over your usage and how long the battery held.
Thanks!
// Sebgus

Pretty standard for smartphone.
With heavy use - from charger at morning, to charger at evening. With easier use battery will last for 36-48 hours.

And then I guess you use apps like facebook & twitter that updates all the time?
EDIT: On the homescreen I meant

I may have a faulty unit, but my battery time on my X5 is bad, almost to the point where I want to sell it.With a full charge,GPS,Bluetooth and WiFi turned off and minimal usage throughout the day I'm at 10% by 8pm.

power121212:
That doesn't sound that good! But it seems like the quality on the batteries shipped with the U8800 shift very much? Some get a decent 2 days with normal usage and some are fully charged in the morning and then almost empty at the evening.
Shouldn't warranty cover that?
I would like more reports please, want to figure out how good quality they have. Maybe can do a template:
Date on purchase:
Batterytime w normal usage:
Activities, normal usage (what did you do):
Batterytime w heavy usage:
Activities, heavy usage:
Thanks!

I'd just like to point out that you CANNOT rely on the battery meter to give you an accurate reading for the battery capacity. If your phone drops a few % very quickly then you need to remove batterystats.bin and power cycle the device a few times. Initially when I got mine it went 'flat' quite fast telling me to plug in but when it hit 0% it then shot back up to 30%, since the remaining capacity would have been recalculated.
The battery life is good. It is a large battery for this size of device (1500mAh) the HTC Vision has a 1300mAh (more or less the same hardware). Just be smart about how you use it, don't keep over 9000 widgets on you home screens terminate apps completely, don't leave wifi/gps/3g on unneccessarily (it only takes a few seconds to reenable them in settings)

I agree to Poulsen8r .too much running appz on your phone may cause the battery empty fast.I suggest to monitor all those running appz and turn it off if unneeded.

Poulsen8r said:
I'd just like to point out that you CANNOT rely on the battery meter to give you an accurate reading for the battery capacity. If your phone drops a few % very quickly then you need to remove batterystats.bin and power cycle the device a few times. Initially when I got mine it went 'flat' quite fast telling me to plug in but when it hit 0% it then shot back up to 30%, since the remaining capacity would have been recalculated.
The battery life is good. It is a large battery for this size of device (1500mAh) the HTC Vision has a 1300mAh (more or less the same hardware). Just be smart about how you use it, don't keep over 9000 widgets on you home screens terminate apps completely, don't leave wifi/gps/3g on unneccessarily (it only takes a few seconds to reenable them in settings)
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Agree. And it greatly depends on your location as well, I mean your battery would definitely last longer if u're sitting besides a strong cell tower all day without finding, detecting and re-connecting cell towers.

Poulsen8r said:
I'd just like to point out that you CANNOT rely on the battery meter to give you an accurate reading for the battery capacity. If your phone drops a few % very quickly then you need to remove batterystats.bin and power cycle the device a few times. Initially when I got mine it went 'flat' quite fast telling me to plug in but when it hit 0% it then shot back up to 30%, since the remaining capacity would have been recalculated.
The battery life is good. It is a large battery for this size of device (1500mAh) the HTC Vision has a 1300mAh (more or less the same hardware). Just be smart about how you use it, don't keep over 9000 widgets on you home screens terminate apps completely, don't leave wifi/gps/3g on unneccessarily (it only takes a few seconds to reenable them in settings)
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Could you please elaborate further on how you recalibrated your batterystats? I followed a guide but it didn't help really, maybe did something wrong.

Poulsen8r said:
I'd just like to point out that you CANNOT rely on the battery meter to give you an accurate reading for the battery capacity. If your phone drops a few % very quickly then you need to remove batterystats.bin and power cycle the device a few times. Initially when I got mine it went 'flat' quite fast telling me to plug in but when it hit 0% it then shot back up to 30%, since the remaining capacity would have been recalculated.
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Do you do anything special in a power cycle?
Poulsen8r said:
The battery life is good. It is a large battery for this size of device (1500mAh) the HTC Vision has a 1300mAh (more or less the same hardware). Just be smart about how you use it, don't keep over 9000 widgets on you home screens terminate apps completely, don't leave wifi/gps/3g on unneccessarily (it only takes a few seconds to reenable them in settings)
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Yeah, the battery is large and nice. I will try to take it easy with the widgets, even if they are tempting. Leaving wifi and gps on is just waste of battery imo, so no worries.
simplistian said:
Agree. And it greatly depends on your location as well, I mean your battery would definitely last longer if u're sitting besides a strong cell tower all day without finding, detecting and re-connecting cell towers.
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Yeah, I live in a quite big city. So no problemo there

andreasha said:
Could you please elaborate further on how you recalibrated your batterystats? I followed a guide but it didn't help really, maybe did something wrong.
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Make sure your phone is fully charged and plugged into pc then:
start terminal/cmd
adb shell
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
reboot
Unplug your phone and let it discharge WITHOUT TOUCHING IT as long as possible ideally until its empty. Then charge FULLY and discharge again. Then it should be fairly accurate and consistent (no sudden drops pf 10% in 10mins).

theres an app here in xda that helps to do battery calibration:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1024867

Rooting, SetCPU and the battery calibration-app feels like a must-have!
Thanks

Samsung managing low battery itself

Ok I was trying to search abouth this but haven't found abouth it here.
When my battery is under 10%, you can't select display brightness anymore in the display option menu. I don't use energiesaving. Is this normal that samsung manages the brigntness itself than? It's annoying because I want to use my 10% battery on full brightness if I want too!!
I can adjust it with the widget, however when I open my browser it sets back to samsung dimming it... so not possible than.
Also you can not use camera at lower battery of 20 or 15%, not sure wich one, just noticed it today; I think 15%. Why the f*ck is that? Again: Why can't I choose what to do with my last 15%?
As far as I was searching I didn't find an option to turn this off. Anybody else maybe?
Thanks for answering these two questions!!
Oh and a little question: The battery usage graph, when is it reset and does it start counting again? Only when you put the plug in untill it is 100%?

this has been the default behavior even with SGS1. You can't snap pictures, listen to music, view videos, raise brightness when your battery is low.
I think there is no way to alter this behavior.
To your other question - the batt stats in that little app will reset when you charge to full 100% and it gives you that message "batt is charged, disconnect the charger".

kreoXDA said:
this has been the default behavior even with SGS1. You can't snap pictures, listen to music, view videos, raise brightness when your battery is low.
I think there is no way to alter this behavior.
To your other question - the batt stats in that little app will reset when you charge to full 100% and it gives you that message "batt is charged, disconnect the charger".
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Ok thank you!
I find this pretty annoying. Verry friendly of samsung to think abouth my battery not spending on media things, and i could make important calls if I need to! But I am old enough to spend my battery on what I find important, pff.
Oh well, maybe rooting in the future(or wouldn't that effect it?)... Don't know much aboutch that yet, first android. But will look into it.

Most likely you would need to patch the code to fix this. Someone will do it eventually. It hasn't bothered me enough for me to want to patch it. But I agree, it's stupid. If I want to take pictures when the battery is at 15% or lower, I should be able to do that. If I want to watch a movie when the battery is less than 10%, I should be able to do that.

Interesting. What if Samsung didn't implement this features and when your last 10-15% of your battery is dying fast with all your setting and you couldn't make any important calls or email or message will you be complaining to Samsung for not implementing any battery saving features?
With 10-15% of my battery left I will save as much battery as I can to save for any important things before I reach home.
People's need is hard to pleased. One wanted this another one doesn't want that. Never ending story. Haha.
Wait for custom rom to remove this features. =D

r_a_c said:
Ok I was trying to search abouth this but haven't found abouth it here.
When my battery is under 10%, you can't select display brightness anymore in the display option menu. I don't use energiesaving. Is this normal that samsung manages the brigntness itself than? It's annoying because I want to use my 10% battery on full brightness if I want too!!
I can adjust it with the widget, however when I open my browser it sets back to samsung dimming it... so not possible than.
Also you can not use camera at lower battery of 20 or 15%, not sure wich one, just noticed it today; I think 15%. Why the f*ck is that? Again: Why can't I choose what to do with my last 15%?
As far as I was searching I didn't find an option to turn this off. Anybody else maybe?
Thanks for answering these two questions!!
Oh and a little question: The battery usage graph, when is it reset and does it start counting again? Only when you put the plug in untill it is 100%?
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Thinks its a security feature too protect your battery and your fone.
Lithium batteries are very sensitive when they are almost drained. Normaly your fone will shutdown when the batteri voltage reach about 2,5V, if the voltage go lower on a lithium batteri, it will not accept a new charge and can explode if force charged.
Another thing is that lithium batteries have higher impedance the lower the voltage is on the batteri and its not after af liniear scale. Lets say the voltage on the battery is about 3V when the fone is reporting 10% left. The problem is that the impedance is very high at that voltage, so if you drain to much power, the voltage on the battery will drop under the safe voltage limit immediately, render your battery useless, and possibility to harm your fone and you if force charged.

jonrwg said:
Interesting. What if Samsung didn't implement this features and when your last 10-15% of your battery is dying fast with all your setting and you couldn't make any important calls or email or message will you be complaining to Samsung for not implementing any battery saving features?
With 10-15% of my battery left I will save as much battery as I can to save for any important things before I reach home.
People's need is hard to pleased. One wanted this another one doesn't want that. Never ending story. Haha.
Wait for custom rom to remove this features. =D
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no nobody would be complaining because not a single other android phone does this behavior, and people seem just fine not yelling about anything.
i agree this behavior should have an on/off setting. someone will fix it wiht custom ROM let's hope.

Yeah and not to be able to use camera when battery is lower than 20% is ridicilous! There is still 20% juice left. Camoon Samsung!!
I could somehow understand if it starts when under 10% left but I still prefer that I can personally decide whether or not save battery when running out.
For Desire I always had extra battery with me. I could use it 100% until the battery died and just change to next one.
Now basically the already bad battery life has been taken 20% away cause you cant do **** after that.

RogerPodacter said:
no nobody would be complaining because not a single other android phone does this behavior, and people seem just fine not yelling about anything.
i agree this behavior should have an on/off setting. someone will fix it wiht custom ROM let's hope.
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Haha, true true. Hope this can be fixed in custom rom.
Oh, my mate just complaint to me about this a moment ago.

PROPER battery calibration... is getting on my nerves :/

So, I am using MIUI 2.1.12 with LorDModUE 8.6 CFS 2WCR kernel.
I have installed 4EXT Recovery Controller and CurrentWidget.
With CurrentWidget, I monitored the battery while charging until it reached 0mA (which means the battery is as full as it can get).
With 4EXT Recovery Controller I removed the batterystats.bin file.
I drained the phone until it shut itself down. Then I charged it (without powering it on) until it was full (LED was green).
I power on the phone... 99% battery.
I plug in the charger... it says 26mA (which means it would reach 0mA as in full charge in another 20-30 minutes).
WHAT THE HELL?!
This never happened while I was using the default CM kernel included in MIUI. Only happened with Tiamat and LordMod.
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Seriously, guys, what is the best way to calibrate the battery?! Perhaps I should not have let it shut itself down, but plug the charger when the phone was at 1% (which lasted for another 20-30 minutes, by the way)?!

if I don't remember it wrong the LED turns green at 90%.

afair the battery doesn't get charged during booting. which means that you probably lost the 1% during boot.

I also used the same method and got it calibrated correctly
but is their any other way too ?

monki79 said:
if I don't remember it wrong the LED turns green at 90%.
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The LED turns green on AOSP ROMs at 90%, when the phone is ON, as far as I know. When it is OFF, it works fine (goes green at 100%).
I want to hear from the developers / those that know how these codes work and stuff... Cause I don't want to look at my phone how the percentage goes down so fast, then, when it reaches 10%, I can play Pocket Legends for another 20 full minutes -.-

Formhault said:
With CurrentWidget, I monitored the battery while charging until it reached 0mA (which means the battery is as full as it can get).
With 4EXT Recovery Controller I removed the batterystats.bin file.
I drained the phone until it shut itself down. Then I charged it (without powering it on) until it was full (LED was green).
I power on the phone... 99% battery.
I plug in the charger... it says 26mA (which means it would reach 0mA as in full charge in another 20-30 minutes).
WHAT THE HELL?!
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The battery doesn't charge to full capacity first time around. When I used to calibrate the battery I would charge until it was drawing 0mA, then reboot; it would be drawing about 26mA, so I'd charge to 0mA again and reboot; it would now be drawing about 15mA, so I'd carry on charging to 0mA, reboot, repeat, repeat and repeat until it eventually continued to draw 0mA after a reboot. Then I'd delete the batterystats.bin file.
As one of Google's engineers says, deleting your battery stats isn't going to improve your battery life. I haven't done any of that for a long time now and I've noticed precisely no difference (except for the extra time I've gained by not having to wait for it to finally charge up to full capacity).

hopscotchjunkie said:
The battery doesn't charge to full capacity first time around. When I used to calibrate the battery I would charge until it was drawing 0mA, then reboot; it would be drawing about 26mA, so I'd charge to 0mA again and reboot; it would now be drawing about 15mA, so I'd carry on charging to 0mA, reboot, repeat, repeat and repeat until it eventually continued to draw 0mA after a reboot. Then I'd delete the batterystats.bin file.
As one of Google's engineers says, deleting your battery stats isn't going to improve your battery life. I haven't done any of that for a long time now and I've noticed precisely no difference (except for the extra time I've gained by not having to wait for it to finally charge up to full capacity).
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I know about Google's statement.
The battery would drain fast, then, when it reaches 1% or 5%, you would be able to use your phone like it had 30%. Just that it shows the values wrong. Calibrating the battery should fix that...
Anyway... I'm not going to struggle any further.

I'll tell what I've done;
- I have installed Battery Balibration app and CurrentWidget,
- Waited battery charging till reached 0ma,
- Removed battery stats and restarted,
- Then waited to drain battery and shut-down itself,
- I connected USB charger to PC and TURN ON THE PHONE !!
- Again waited battery to reach 0 ma,
- Then plugged off and monitored that current widget shows the range btw 3-10 !!
I don't know exactly if it helps but, maybe you should turn on your DHD while carging..
For further instructions you may qant to check this topic;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226016
Formhault said:
So, I am using MIUI 2.1.12 with LorDModUE 8.6 CFS 2WCR kernel.
I have installed 4EXT Recovery Controller and CurrentWidget.
With CurrentWidget, I monitored the battery while charging until it reached 0mA (which means the battery is as full as it can get).
With 4EXT Recovery Controller I removed the batterystats.bin file.
I drained the phone until it shut itself down. Then I charged it (without powering it on) until it was full (LED was green).
I power on the phone... 99% battery.
I plug in the charger... it says 26mA (which means it would reach 0mA as in full charge in another 20-30 minutes).
WHAT THE HELL?!
This never happened while I was using the default CM kernel included in MIUI. Only happened with Tiamat and LordMod.
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Seriously, guys, what is the best way to calibrate the battery?! Perhaps I should not have let it shut itself down, but plug the charger when the phone was at 1% (which lasted for another 20-30 minutes, by the way)?!
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Theres a better alternative, use the battery calibration app in the market
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration&hl=en
It's always worked a charm for me.

knp3385 said:
Theres a better alternative, use the battery calibration app in the market
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration&hl=en
It's always worked a charm for me.
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Right, with Battery Calibration i have solved my problem with battery, now i can use all day without charging.

Sorry if my question is a silly one...
what's the point in calibrating your battery? I mean... except for the stats (and I guess, the percentage in the bar), do you improve your battery life by calibrating it?

Duwie_80 said:
Sorry if my question is a silly one...
what's the point in calibrating your battery? I mean... except for the stats (and I guess, the percentage in the bar), do you improve your battery life by calibrating it?
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Some says it's irrelevant, calibrating it's just an illusion
But did calibrate my battery and my battery life is improved too terrific !!

Duwie_80 said:
Sorry if my question is a silly one...
what's the point in calibrating your battery? I mean... except for the stats (and I guess, the percentage in the bar), do you improve your battery life by calibrating it?
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fremce said:
Some says it's irrelevant, calibrating it's just an illusion
But did calibrate my battery and my battery life is improved too terrific !!
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I don't really know. It would be silly for the Android system to display the battery percentage (up there, in the status bar) by reading the batterystats.bin.
My phone's battery level drops somewhat fast, then, when it would reach 30% or so, it doesn't drop as fast. Also, at times, when I reach 10%, 5% or even 1%, I am still able to play an intensive game like Pocket Legends for an extended ammount of time (30 minutes, for example). Pocket Legends is CPU/GPU intensive and it also requires an active Internet connection, so I'd say it's pretty power hungry.
I don't really get the entire purpose of calibration. I have done it and I can't seem to notice any difference.
I'm going to do it again, now, because I switched to a Sense ROM (RunnyDrOiD). I'll monitor the battery with Battery Monitor Pro. When it reaches +0mA, I'll reboot and so forth so forth until it's drawing 0mA, although I doubt I'll resist that much time, so I'll just delete the batterystats.bin after a few reboots, when it reachs 0mA.

fremce said:
Some says it's irrelevant, calibrating it's just an illusion
But did calibrate my battery and my battery life is improved too terrific !!
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If everybody knew the meaning of the word "calibration" then nobody would talk such nonsense.
Calibration improves the accuracy of the percentage shown!
The illusion is that you improve your battery life with it....

Dlog said:
If everybody knew the meaning of the word "calibration" then nobody would talk such nonsense.
Calibration improves the accuracy of the percentage shown!
The illusion is that you improve your battery life with it....
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As I said... calibrating the battery may fix the "problem" where once you reach 1% / 5% you can use your phone like it still had ~20%.

I'm gone test it too...

Hi there people, I didn't find any battery thread similar to what I'm going to say so I'll spam a little bit
I've just found as I was fooling around this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PowerSki...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item20c1a1c8ad
It suppose to be a silicon case with a battery build in(1500mah ..not bad), I don't know the dimensions but I just someone might think it as a solution to our 1230mah small battery(with this you have a total of 1730mah which is plenty)
P.S. To mods.. feel free to delete my post, I just wanted to inform the people about a solution that might be handy

evronetwork said:
Hi there people, I didn't find any battery thread similar to what I'm going to say so I'll spam a little bit
I've just found as I was fooling around this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PowerSki...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item20c1a1c8ad
It suppose to be a silicon case with a battery build in(1500mah ..not bad), I don't know the dimensions but I just someone might think it as a solution to our 1230mah small battery(with this you have a total of 1730mah which is plenty)
P.S. To mods.. feel free to delete my post, I just wanted to inform the people about a solution that might be handy
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https://www.google.com/search?q=xda+powerskin+desire+hd
first link....