I recently bought a HD2 and I think I have made a great mistake. I fell for the "capacitive screen" hype and bought this device. I found I cannot click the links on a website without zooming in. I cannot play Warfare Incorporated. I cannot use VNC. This is very annoying, coming from a resistive device. The device is practically useless to me know. I know of two capacitive styluses : the Dagi and the Pogo. Neither of them work properly with VNC and small icons on Opera without zooming in. What can I do ?
alunalub said:
I recently bought a HD2 and I think I have made a great mistake. I fell for the "capacitive screen" hype and bought this device. I found I cannot click the links on a website without zooming in. I cannot play Warfare Incorporated. I cannot use VNC. This is very annoying, coming from a resistive device. The device is practically useless to me know. I know of two capacitive styluses : the Dagi and the Pogo. Neither of them work properly with VNC and small icons on Opera without zooming in. What can I do ?
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Check out point 35
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
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Check out point 35
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
Please try search before posting
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Thanks for that but can I use VNC on it ? Warfare Incorporated ? Not even talking about my fav. application on Windows Mobile = Age of Empires Gold Edition that does not work because of WVGA. Can I copy the HTC magnetic capacitive stylus somehow to get a better stylus than the Dagi as HTC do not sell it yet ?
alunalub said:
Thanks for that but can I use VNC on it ? Warfare Incorporated ? Not even talking about my fav. application on Windows Mobile = Age of Empires Gold Edition that does not work because of WVGA. Can I copy the HTC magnetic capacitive stylus somehow to get a better stylus than the Dagi as HTC do not sell it yet ?
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Then I suggest you return the HD2 and go for a TP2 or HD. If these things are important to you, a capacitive screen will not please you.
Unfortunately I cannot return it now. I love the fact that it can play FPSECE perfectly and I love how you don't have to press hard on the display but IMHO the benefits are smaller than the bad things. I should have probably gone with the N900, even if it is really slow and old-tech compared to the HD2. Any other options ?
once bought, either u learn to love it or hate it
lift still goes on
dun whin about it
If not happy, just switch to other phone that is resistive lcd
complaint and complaint are useless, HTC will not change HD2 to resistive lcd if u complaint
It also wont just change to resistive lcd overnite if u complaint hard enough
There is not cannot return now....
u sell it away and get your other phone
just a matter of do you want or not.
Juz 2cent thot, esp when i see ppl whin and whin whereby you always have a choice
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Thanks for that but can I use VNC on it ? Warfare Incorporated ? Not even talking about my fav. application on Windows Mobile = Age of Empires Gold Edition that does not work because of WVGA. Can I copy the HTC magnetic capacitive stylus somehow to get a better stylus than the Dagi as HTC do not sell it yet ?
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I use Mocha VNC on mine and it works well considering the physical size of the screen you are working in comparison to the native resolution of the host PC/server. I used to use on an Xda Orbit II, but the HD2 is a quantum leap above that.
As for the games not being compatible, have you thought about taking your whiny complaints to the software houses who don't write their software to be compatible with the current screen resolutions? Better still, why not get a dedicated games console or dare I say, an iPad?
So the phone/screen sucks because you can't play your stupid games on it? are you stupid?
lude219 said:
So the phone/screen sucks because you can't play your stupid games on it? are you stupid?
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This.
Also, what's the motivation to use VNC over RDP?
lude219 said:
So the phone/screen sucks because you can't play your stupid games on it? are you stupid?
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Yes he is, but I was too polite to point out the bleeding obvious.
alunalub said:
Unfortunately I cannot return it now. I love the fact that it can play FPSECE perfectly and I love how you don't have to press hard on the display but IMHO the benefits are smaller than the bad things. I should have probably gone with the N900, even if it is really slow and old-tech compared to the HD2. Any other options ?
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I think what yu need is a PS-3.. LOL.. not a phone..
I had samsung i900 omnia previously and it has resistive touch after i bought HD2 even with bigger screen (samsung had 3.2inch) i couldn't work with the phone and i had the same problem i can't click on website links and etc.
but now i can do it very easily it is just matter of time trust me then you will love it and you won't work with resistive
P.S now i have problems working with resistive tocuh screen as i try to click things by finger and not nail
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I think what yu need is a PS-3.. LOL.. not a phone..
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lol! !
Let's not be that harsh. The OP was just asking for help.
Never played anything more than Teeter on my HD2, so can't be of much help wrt games, except to say that I'm sure you'll have no problems finding an existing HD owner on these forums who would be more than eager to swop with you for your HD2 at no extra cost!
Very funny people. Calling me "*** stupid" when I just asked for your opinions. Way to go !
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Very funny people. Calling me "***stupid" when I just asked for your opinions. Way to go !
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OK, only one person called you stupid so don't assume everybody thinks you as that... Is just not so many people buy a 600 euro phone to play games on it... My advice on your problem is to be a bit patient and you will get use it... like everybody else did... I had no problems when i changed over from my hd, adjusting to the capacitive and i did play a few games as well... Mind you the games you mentioned are not meant to be played (imho) on a non-stylus screen, thus a resistive one.. I am sure soon you can get your hands on yet more games
see... as someone pointed out, You'll more likely get used to it. I was bit worried about lack of precision, but now after almost two months of use I wouldn't swap it for anything else. I don't play games much, but I've donated for fpsece and if I am bored away from home I play Gran Turismo 2 and Final Fantasy VII with full speed and multitouch. also as an owner of pc heroes of might and magic 2 gold I've installed on my card emulated version of it and it just works great. movies are being played without any reencoding (w/o ac3... still waiting for it coreplayer... ) and web browsing with opera is so damn good, that I doubt if firefox on n900 is much better (except for the flash ofcourse).
You made a right decision, just type more on hd2 and get 1.66 rom. things are going to improve for You. trust me.
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Well, why not buy a 600 euro phone to play games ? If I just wanted a simple phone I would have bought a cheap-a$$ Nokia for 20 pounds on eBay. I bought it to use it as a PSP, ebook reader, PMP, video player, Internet device etc.
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Well, why not buy a 600 euro phone to play games ? If I just wanted a simple phone I would have bought a cheap-a$$ Nokia for 20 pounds on eBay. I bought it to use it as a PSP, ebook reader, PMP, video player, Internet device etc.
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Alunalub.. no offense intended.. you would notice that a lot of us have been here for long and quite active in helping other members..
May I suggest for you to flash a nice cooked ROM.. (could recommend the Xanytech Evolution) and ofcourse the BSB tweaks to ride off problems like clicking of links etc..
Why dont you take a few mins and point of the problems/concerns you have and i can assure you that we will all try and help you out so that you can enjoy your phone
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Alunalub.. no offense intended.. you would notice that a lot of us have been here for long and quite active in helping other members..
May I suggest for you to flash a nice cooked ROM.. (could recommend the Xanytech Evolution) and ofcourse the BSB tweaks to ride off problems like clicking of links etc..
Why dont you take a few mins and point of the problems/concerns you have and i can assure you that we will all try and help you out so that you can enjoy your phone
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Very helpful response, thanks ! I think though that I will sell the HD2 and get a Viliv S5, a full 1.3 GHz x86 CPU that can run full Linux, Winblows etc. and 1 GB RAM for same price as this gimmick. Wish me luck to get a good deal !
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have you seen the new ipod touch...
i like the way that thing can play game`s
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features/games.html
(whats the QuickTour)
can somone make somthing like that for the diamond that would be GREAT!!
any race game or somthing...
Have you genuinely posted an entire thread just to say "Can someone make some games or something because the iPhone has some stuff"? Seriously?
I really hope for your sake this is a troll attempt...
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Have you genuinely posted an entire thread just to say "Can someone make some games or something because the iPhone has some stuff"? Seriously?
I really hope for your sake this is a troll attempt...
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i think this guy means, why in the hell does aplle has such nice apps and for certain nice games for such a crappy phone.. And while our super Diamond doesn't have any cool games except the games from 20 years ago when our pc's were still working on the first windows edition.. I mean come on..
No effence on the people on this forum who are making such nice apps and games.. Cause you guys rock!! and make my diamond look more amazing!!
In that i must give apple a cheer, cause htc has developed a verry nice phone but a lack on software and games.. Cause why does my diamond has such good hardware but there's no software to play with it..
iphone the world talk about. That's why it going to get more games than htc diamond. htc diamond is more for insider for fan. I have iphone and htc diamond. I use most of the time htc diamond. But I think iphone is better. Just htc has win mobile. Which I can have more prog than iphone. but it will change.
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i think this guy means, why in the hell does aplle has such nice apps and for certain nice games for such a crappy phone.. And while our super Diamond doesn't have any cool games except the games from 20 years ago when our pc's were still working on the first windows edition.. I mean come on..
No effence on the people on this forum who are making such nice apps and games.. Cause you guys rock!! and make my diamond look more amazing!!
In that i must give apple a cheer, cause htc has developed a verry nice phone but a lack on software and games.. Cause why does my diamond has such good hardware but there's no software to play with it..
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Thank You
here is johnny said:
i think this guy means, why in the hell does aplle has such nice apps and for certain nice games for such a crappy phone.. And while our super Diamond doesn't have any cool games except the games from 20 years ago when our pc's were still working on the first windows edition.. I mean come on..
No effence on the people on this forum who are making such nice apps and games.. Cause you guys rock!! and make my diamond look more amazing!!
In that i must give apple a cheer, cause htc has developed a verry nice phone but a lack on software and games.. Cause why does my diamond has such good hardware but there's no software to play with it..
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*sigh* It's bad enough that tiesku's posted his nonsense, but it's worse that you're bizarrely willing to apologise for him without, apparently, even Googling for five minutes:
http://www.astraware.com/ppc/
http://www.handango.co.uk/SoftwareC...3274&topSectionId=3274&catalog=30&title=Games
All the games you could want, and that's just from the two online stores I happen to know about, there's undoubtedly a lot more out there.
I think people seem to forget (or don't know) that the Diamond is a Windows Mobile and doesn't need Diamond specific apps/games (apart from missing functions like g-sensor).
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*sigh* It's bad enough that tiesku's posted his nonsense, but it's worse that you're bizarrely willing to apologise for him without, apparently, even Googling for five minutes:
http://www.astraware.com/ppc/
http://www.handango.co.uk/SoftwareC...3274&topSectionId=3274&catalog=30&title=Games
All the games you could want, and that's just from the two online stores I happen to know about, there's undoubtedly a lot more out there.
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You've seen the games on the apple site and even dare to compare with the crap wich you even have to pay for, don't get me wrong if it is a good nice looking game okey, but this is rubbish.. i mean the diamond does have a graphics accelerator card though? Games on the apple site you can play them with g-sensor, steering gas brake that kind of stuff.. I have some games on my diamond to, but i mean why doesn't htc design some programs or games for their Diamond?? They could make a lot of money with that to.. thats what i'm saying.. developing a good machine, but leave it there.. no apps or games for the diamond..
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You've seen the games on the apple site and even dare to compare with the crap wich you even have to pay for
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Of course you have to pay! You need to pay for games from the Apple App Store as well!
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don't get me wrong if it is a good nice looking game okey, but this is rubbish
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What exactly is rubbish? I've linked you to two online stores full of games for Windows Mobile and you appear to have written every single one of them off as 'rubbish' in about five minutes. What are you actually talking about or even looking for here?
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i mean the diamond does have a graphics accelerator card though?
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And? Are you actually going to make some kind of valid point or just randomly type things?
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Games on the apple site you can play them with g-sensor, steering gas brake that kind of stuff.. I have some games on my diamond to, but i mean why doesn't htc design some programs or games for their Diamond??
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Because HTC are a hardware company, not a sodding software publisher that's why! They're not in the market of making games any more than Ford design tyres or sell paint.
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developing a good machine, but leave it there.. no apps or games for the diamond..
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No one has 'left it there', there are shedloads of games and applications all over the place for the Windows Mobile platform; indeed there's far, far more available than there is or probably ever will be for the iPhone.
I have a HTC Diamond and love it....but for games I use my PSP...
Come on you have to admit, Windows mobile games are pretty basic compared to....These Iphone screen shots
http://uk.wireless.ign.com/dor/obje...er-2009-20080910042453997.html?page=mediaFull
http://uk.wireless.ign.com/dor/obje...leashed-20080806115543442.html?page=mediaFull
http://uk.wireless.ign.com/dor/obje...ercover-20080909040554711.html?page=mediaFull
Medulla said:
*sigh* It's bad enough that tiesku's posted his nonsense, but it's worse that you're bizarrely willing to apologise for him without, apparently, even Googling for five minutes:
http://www.astraware.com/ppc/
http://www.handango.co.uk/SoftwareC...3274&topSectionId=3274&catalog=30&title=Games
All the games you could want, and that's just from the two online stores I happen to know about, there's undoubtedly a lot more out there.
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wohoooo.this games are so good...should we get some money for playing them?
zigor said:
wohoooo.this games are so good...should we get some money for playing them?
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Irony...I love it!
Sorry but i would never pay for a WM Game. They are really crap. My girlfriend has the 2g iphone and i've got the diamond. I was rubbin it in her face that i was getting the best mobile phone(Diamond).I Was Wrong. But to be honest i'm really thinking of getting rid of it for the 3g iphone.
The games and apps on iphone are far superior. Graphics and gameplay! Plus there's loads.
No video calls on iphone. So what, video calling is probably the crappest invention. I don't know anybody that uses it.
Iphone has gps using Google maps which aint too bad.On the Diamond I have had a gps fix one and i've tried every Radio version. Could be where i live but iphone works here.
Diamond has a better screen resolution. GREAT! No not really. Crap how small is the screen. Besides the iphone looks miles better quality.
Don't get me wrong i love both phones. I'm not a h8r.
Just stating the facts.
One more thing.
If the Diamond was as stable as the iphone. People wouldn't have to spend all there time cooking roms instead of using there time to make Brilliant games.
Thanks for reading just wanted to have my say. Plz don't think i'm starting an arguement
You're entitled to your opinion doinbox and I respect that, but having tried both the iPhone 3G and HTC TD I'm sticking with the TD. It can do so much more than the iPhone. Here's just a few of its advantages, IMHO
Sync with my office documents,
Picture messaging
Video
Cut and paste
Swappable battery
Bluetooth stereo music (A2DP)
Has a higher, sharper screen res, which helps me big style.
A better camera
Physically it's also noticebaly smaller and fits easily in my jeans pocket,
the iPhone is quite big by comparison.
If I just wanted to play the arcadey style games on an iPhone I'd buy a PSP instead.
Blah blah blah.. iPhone vs Diamond again.. But you all are right. We need better games for our Diamond
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Hi there,
I don't see the issue of the initial poster here. There are far more games/apps (and by god better ones) available for Windows mobile and there always will be.
The IPhone is a peace of crap in a nice jacket and with s*** loads of PR thats wy it's popular but it doesn't make it less crappy. They make you pay for every little thing and in the end they will make you pay even more. If you want that then thats fine, i don't.
doinbox:
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The games and apps on iphone are far superior. Graphics and gameplay! Plus there's loads
I hate to bring this to you because this is a straight out lie.
People make Roms because they like to fiddle around with OS stuff and to twink the hell out of it for fun, they don't do this because the Diamond would need it, a 1.93 stock rom runs perfectly stable and fast.
It is time for you to wake up and get ur facts strait. The Touch Diamond beats the Iphone in every way possible (hardware/software).
Just the fact that we lucky bastards can even change our own OS makes the Diamond superior over the IPhone in my book.
Greetz
Caved
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a 1.93 stock rom runs perfectly stable and fast.
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That made me laugh.
I'm Quite sure the biggest htc diamond fan in the world would admit its not perfectly stable and fast.
Didn't You read my post properly. I own a Diamond so i know from my own use its not stable. Funnily enough i just had it replaced today because it kept crashing on me. Even with l8st firmware.
I like the Diamond but i have paid for games and apps and none of them are better graphics than iphone games such as monkeyball or crash bandicoot kart or the fish app the water looks so real when you touch it. You post a link here to an app/game with graphics that good that would run on diamond and i'll hold my hands up and say i'm wrong. But i've seen and tried every game on wm6 and i know i wont be seeing a link from you.
Stop being so defensive over the Diamond everyone knows its full of problems. Well maybe not on the Hardware side, but WM6.1 is Terrible and nobody can deny that.
doinbox
I won't go into a flamewar with you, if you like IPhone thats fine with me. I love my Diamond and i think its way better then the Iphone maybe the right software for it is getting there a bit slow, so what ....
greetz
Caved
guys, guys, what's the point arguing?
we all know there are people who adore iphone and there are people who wouldn't trade their touch xy for the world. these two phones are simply aiming each at a little different clientele, and let's leave it at that. otherwise it's just an ideological discussion...
as for the games, the thing about the wm games is that there are thousands of them, some better, some worse, but because (naturally) the majority of them has been developed for the wm 5 or even 2002/2003 editions, they're simpler than the new ones, with simpler graphics, worse resolution etc. and all iphone games are developed to utilize the iphone fully.
so just look for the newer wm6 / diamond games and stop complaining about the old games being crap. and remember, games are developed for wm platform, meaning also for weaker devices, not only for our diamonds
personally i know of multiple cool games for the wm6, e.g. teeter, ccsnake, worms world party, tennis addict, open transport tycoon deluxe, resco bubbles, bubble snooker, pocket bowling, etc...
doinbox, yphone has better apps & Games? Really, where? GPS is using google maps? Yep and that thing is actually completely useless compared to Tom Tom, iGO e.t.c. I wonder why apple included GPS in the first place.
Apps? There are none. And with the power of pocket informant, One Note Mobile, Word e.t.c WM beats iphone hands down.
As a phone WM platform is much more convinient. It takes less keystrokes and time to call somebody or send SMS|MMS\E-Mail.
The only thing where iPhone really shines is the web. Big screen+Safari is a perfect solution. Diamond and Opera don't even stand close.I don't thing even Touch HD will help. But unforunatly there is no stable ICQ client for iphone, yet.
So the only thing left out - games. But if u open your eyes and look around you will find enough high quality games for WM which use 3d accelerator. Just an example http://www.clickgamer.com/products/pid_5660/screenshots/ppc/large/ss2.gif
Anyway stop whining here and get an iphone
hi everyone,
I'm a Die Hard fan of Blackstone/Touch HD , and im waiting for it for a long time !
but after reading about it, watching movies, following discussions, I feel its nothing but a HUGE and tempting display .
we're all WM users and we didnt experienced any large-display phones with such size, and thats why we're trying to believe this is BEST !
since theres no TV-OUT capability , hard one handed usage , no D-PAD ( C'mon , its not iphone that fingers could do anything with any pressure ) and weird camera lens box!
is it really we wanted or its just another "I WANT TO BELIEVE?"
I do see where you're coming from... To me, I'll be honest, it's the Diamond in a REALLY nice case. One that's familiar to a long-term Elf user. The touchy-feely case, no desire to use the D-Pad... But when all's said and done: It's a huge display and has a 5MP camera. It's the best ever HTC, but it will be easy to top...
Now I feel bad... Thanks...
Hi,
Interesting point of view. ... and I agree most of it.
To be honest, the only thing I am interested in Touch HD is the huge 3.8" screen.
I like browsing the internet using Opera Mini (and Opera 9 of course) and I have no problem with my current HTC Kaiser.
However, I always envy with phone that has big screen, 3.5" like my friend's iPhone.
So, thats my sole reason to think about buying Touch HD.
However, I am holding back because there are couple of things that I need to convince myself:
1. TouchFlo 3D cannot show multiple appointments/tasks in its today screen.
This is rubish, I cannot understand why HTC does not implement this like the old HTC Home. And I have not found better solution for this.
Of course I can turn off TF3D (can I?) and use HTC Home or SpB Mobile Shell.
But ................ why???
2. No DPAD, can I live with it? Probably ...
But I have a dream to have a GAME DEVICE and PDA all in one.
I cannot do that with HTC Kaiser because of the graphics driver and bad performance. Really, I hate it.
3.8" is very nice for a game device. However, without DPAD, the game will be limited.
If I look the current Touch HD design, a DPAD is still possible in the center of those 4 buttons!
I know, I can buy Nintendo DS or PSP, but hey! I dont like carrying a lot of devices
5 MP camera is nothing ... the quality is still doubtful.
No TV-OUT like Raphael? Grrr!!!
Well, this is my personal opinion.
I dont know, probably I will buy it anyway ... or wait until I can hold and see it in real live ... and judge if the 3.8" screen is enough to convince myself to buy.
upcomming phones have almost same display size ( like ASUS Galaxy 7 ) and solved problems ...
but i want it from HTC .
I think it's yet another half-a***d swipe at the iPhone, without any real thought put into it. WM fans want to believe this is "the one" that's going to give them everything they (perhaps secretly) really like about the iPhone, while still wearing the Windows Mobile badge. In reality, it's just another WM phone with a bigger screen, and actually a few disadvantages over some other models (like that lack of a D-pad). In spite of the screen I really doubt the multimedia will be as slick as the iPhone, and for gaming it's a dead duck - unlike the iPhone where the appstore is brimming full of immersive games built around the iPhone's acceleromotor and multi-touch screen, the Touch HD only has the WM back catalogue to choose from, 99% of which will be written to run on non-accelerometor equipped phones with D-pads.
Meanwhile, underneath the Touchflo you still have an interface designed for a stylus, however big the display.
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....1. TouchFlo 3D cannot show multiple appointments/tasks in its today screen.....
This is rubish, I cannot understand why HTC does not implement this like the old HTC Home. And I have not found better solution for this.
Of course I can turn off TF3D (can I?) and use HTC Home or SpB Mobile Shell.
But ................ why???
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Get your act together HTC
I still cannot decide which model to choose - X1 or HD - and now I am thinking more and more of getting an X1. I simply understand that the only thing about HD that I am going to really love and cream-my-pants because of is the 3.8" screen.
I think that HD is a perfect device for non-WM-addicts, for people who will use just TF3D-interface and Opera at most, without installing any tweaks/programs/registry-hacks/emulators/debuggers/consoles/younameit. Cause when you want to install one of them, you're in trouble - no hardware keys, no D-pad... Achtung!
One more thing I thought about.. Every phone has a kind of a "secret combination of keys", e g "turn-on-the-phone-holding-two-buttons-pressed-and-enter-diagnostics-mode". I wonder if the sensor buttons would do that?
If I am going to express my opinion I will rather say I am going for the large screen size to be honest, Window mobile did not change since, its still WM 6.1 and not much difference on software, yes is the look of the phone that impress me and the size of the screen, because I personally enjoy watching movies on move.
How can HTC put such a cheap, crappy-looking clock onto such a "high-end" device?
The analogue clock from the TF2D (as per the Touch 3G) just looks so much better.
I also agree with the comments about the Appointments - this is a very important point for me, and if not easily resolvable will make me look eleswhere.
So do I remove the TF3D and use Spb instead? If I were to do that, would I then lose the scrollability of the unit - is the finger-scrolling part of TF3D or part of WM6.1?
From a non techie user point-of-view, the more I am finding out about this, the less excited I am about it. Having just read through the manual, I realise it doesn't do any more than any other WM 6.1 pda, except for the bigger screen. And even the quality of films on that seems to be in question!
Maybe I should stop reading sites such as this - lol.
Look we all love the design factor, large screen, hi res etc. That makes it the best win mo phone. Don't let these posts turn you off. You fell in love with the phone for a reason. As for the minor problems (2 appointments etc), well... where there's a will there's a way... xda-developers. Just give them time to work their magic.
Anyway there is always Second Today to see appointents http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MYv5ooIp0
Nothing...........
I just Ordered mine from pdashop.nl 1 minute ago... And i don't need any negation right now. for 629 Euro. ....It better impress
Nothing is gonna take that joy from me..
You can fall in love with a phone for the wrong reasons! I really do think expectations are too high for this device, and people are right to question and rethink this now, before they've paid their money... IMO it's a flawed design, WinMo needs some kind of d-pad, it's not finger friendly enough even on this size screen to get by without it. If losing the hardware controls is a necessity of that larger screen, then they need to replace the UI completely, and use some other OS.
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Are you guys serious?
Let's see the complaints that make this device "just another WM phone."
1. TV-OUT Capability
Why do I need this? WHEN will I need this? If I am at home, I will use my laptop to connect my HDTV via HDMI. Using a phone at home for it's TV-Out capability is well, useless. If you can afford this device, and are tech-savvy enough to know about it, then odds are you have an HDMI capable computer and TV.
The ONLY scenario where I could see this feature be useful is if I wanted to output video on a random TV, maybe at a bar:
"Hey bartender, hook up my HTC TOUCH HD to the TV please."
LOL
Come on!
2. Hard one handed usage? This coming from people who love QWERTY keyboards. I find this hilarious. What's so hard about it? Move your thumb around and you're good to go.
3. OMG! Weird camera lens box!! WTF is weird about it? Now, if you want to tell me no flash, alright I can agree with that. But to nag about the camera lens box? I think it looks good. I mean, I honestly don't care what it looks like as long as it's not pink with rainbows.
What are some other complaints?
No directional pad. Well, you have a 3.8in TOUCH screen and you want a d-pad? Is this a joke? If you want a d-pad, don't buy a TOUCH screen.
No games. Who plays games on their phone? Seriously. If you want to play games, go and buy a PSP or DS.
Home screen only shows a couple of appointments. This is a SLIGHT issue, but something tells me it will be fixed in no time by the heads roaming these forums.
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Now, let's compare these issues with the iPhone, since there were about 101 insinuations that we are desperate WM fan boys.
No TV-out:
iPhone doesn't have TV out either. OOOOOOOO.
Weird camera lens box:
iPhone has a useless 2megapixel camera without recording or focus features.
One handed usage:
Anyone notice that you have to slide SIDEWAYS just to unlock the iPhone? Explain to me how you are going to do that with ONE hand. At least HTC had the foresight to allow you to use the phone primarily with your thumb with up and down gestures.
The HTC Touch HD is NOT like any other WM phone or ANY phone for that matter. It's sensitivity is far superior, beautiful screen, FAST, and can do anything you can throw at it besides useless things such as outputting video at a bar.
Oh, and please don't get me started on the lack of iPhone features. How about the ability to CUT and PASTE? Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace? There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
Give me a break. This is a GREAT device and as far as I can tell, the only thing missing is flash.
And if you want to really be douche about it, most phones nowadays have a phone, video/music player, and a camera! So I guess we should all just get ourselves a Nokia 7610 and cluck.
So, could I use Second Today to run something like the Spb Today screen (because I am used to and love its flexible Appointments display), or am I mixing up technologies?
And just how safe /easy is it for a non-techie to install Second Today, and to change the button functions (and does this require a registry change, because now I'm starting to talk a new language?)
And, whilst I'm in a writing mood, the other issues raised were video playback quality, and suspected lag in GPS navigation.
Can anyone confirm the current situation with these. Is the playback quality acceptable without dropped frames, and has it been absolutely confirmed by a real test that there is no GPS lag?
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I think it's yet another half-a***d swipe at the iPhone, without any real thought put into it. WM fans want to believe this is "the one" that's going to give them everything they (perhaps secretly) really like about the iPhone, while still wearing the Windows Mobile badge. In reality, it's just another WM phone with a bigger screen, and actually a few disadvantages over some other models (like that lack of a D-pad). In spite of the screen I really doubt the multimedia will be as slick as the iPhone, and for gaming it's a dead duck - unlike the iPhone where the appstore is brimming full of immersive games built around the iPhone's acceleromotor and multi-touch screen, the Touch HD only has the WM back catalogue to choose from, 99% of which will be written to run on non-accelerometor equipped phones with D-pads.
Meanwhile, underneath the Touchflo you still have an interface designed for a stylus, however big the display.
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haha opinions from Apple Fan Boys dont count. All opinions on gaming (based on nothing), no dpad (which i love), Poor multimedia (not from the videos ive seen), App store stinks because hacked apps for iphone way better and FREE,
I owned an Iphone for a month and couldnt get rid of it fast enough because WM offers so much more functionality for business and "hackability"
dont get wrong ! iphone is NO WAY competitor, its just a fancy phone! not more not less !
im going to buy this beast, but i really want to know is this really a big deal ?
i dont think so !
but we all know the form factor and the screen size is undeniable ! thats why im going for HD .
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1. TV-OUT Capability
Why do I need this?
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When you are on holiday? At the hotel, in a country where you dont understand local language ... you end up with CNN
So, TV-Out is nice to have! Hook it up to the hotel TV and play movie from your PDA.
Why some users complained about this TV-Out? Because the "previous" device has that, HTC Raphael. Why dont they include it in the next iteration?
Of course, probably there are some other reasons, like PRICE etc. But I see this TV-Out as a valid point.
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2. Hard one handed usage? This coming from people who love QWERTY keyboards. I find this hilarious. What's so hard about it? Move your thumb around and you're good to go.
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Not always like that. The OS (WinMo 6.1) is not specifically designed for touch screen only.
People like me, prefer to use DPAD to move around the UI, much faster, efficient and less-thumb-hurt
You may disagree, but thats you!
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No games. Who plays games on their phone? Seriously. If you want to play games, go and buy a PSP or DS.
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Woohoo ... Gaming is also part of the mobile world.
If you dont play game in your PDA, then (again) it's your choice.
You should not dictate that, because the mobile gaming market is THERE.
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Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace? There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
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Righty ... Please dont compare iPhone apps with WinMo apps
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Give me a break. This is a GREAT device and as far as I can tell, the only thing missing is flash.
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Yes, it is a great device. But how great is this? Depends ...
manuelcalavera said:
dont get wrong ! iphone is NO WAY competitor, its just a fancy phone! not more not less !
im going to buy this beast, but i really want to know is this really a big deal ?
i dont think so !
but we all know the form factor and the screen size is undeniable ! thats why im going for HD .
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and my apologies for not answer the question lol. Is it a big deal, nah, not when you look at all the other technology worldwide as a whole. Its nice but there is really no "phone" that is a big deal in my humble opinion.
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Now, let's compare these issues with the iPhone, since there were about 101 insinuations that we are desperate WM fan boys.
No TV-out:
iPhone doesn't have TV out either. OOOOOOOO.
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Actually yes, it does. Bad start.
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iPhone has a useless 2megapixel camera without recording or focus features.
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Absolutely. For the record, I have no idea why anyone's complaining about the "weird camera lens box" on the HD. It's just a lens.
The iPhone's camera is just a camera, and makes no pretence to be anything more - if you want a better camera, buy one (or a different phone).
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Anyone notice that you have to slide SIDEWAYS just to unlock the iPhone? Explain to me how you are going to do that with ONE hand.
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Easily and quickly about a million times a day. Seriously, you're just demonstrating you've never been near one, and are desperately trying to think up things which might be wrong with it, on the strength of a few screenshots you've seen. The "slide to unlock/answer" is an excellent feature that's completely natural to use one handed - it works so well that even HTC have tried to imitate it with a similar "slide to answer" feature on the, ahem, Touch HD.
At least HTC had the foresight to allow you to use the phone primarily with your thumb with up and down gestures.
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You mean TouchFlo scrolling? The first feature that HTC copied from the iPhone, last year? Ah yes, such foresight!
The HTC Touch HD is NOT like any other WM phone or ANY phone for that matter. It's sensitivity is far superior, beautiful screen, FAST, and can do anything you can throw at it besides useless things such as outputting video at a bar.
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Wake up and smell yesterday's coffee. It's like like every other WM phone, runs the same software as every other WM phone, it even has the same processor and internal spec as most other current WM phones. The screen is new, as is the inconvenient lack of d-pad - everything else is the same old same old.
Oh, and please don't get me started on the lack of iPhone features. How about the ability to CUT and PASTE?
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Oh, yeah, it doesn't do that. You knew about that? I thought it was a secret?
Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace?
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Not really, but I'll tell about the Appstore - bloody brilliant. Thousands of quality apps, many of them free, all the paid ones generally much, much cheaper than their WinMo equivalents, and all there to be browsed and downloaded right on the device, updates alerted and downloaded in the same way.. yep, it's a fantastic system. Is that what you wanted to know?
There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
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Now why would you want to emulate a rubbish old iPhone?
For the record, I used a Tytn II for the past year, I've never owned a Mac, and I've never been a "fanboy" of any damn thing, but if you think the iPhone's a soft target for a bit of WinMo frustration, you're mistaken.
I know you'll hate me.. so hate away!
i bought 2 x X1's A Touch Hd... and an Omnia too...
Trying to get one of the Korean Omnia's at moment too...
So far.. got the TF3d on the x1's.. and managed just to get the Sony Panel kinda running on the Touch HD too.. I will tidy it up.. so i can choose what i want on what.
Well at least you will be able to say which device you like the most and why
They are all yours? How many money did you spend?
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I know you'll hate me.. so hate away!
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Hold on. You're not through yet: You still need to buy a Asus Galaxy 7, HTC Quartz, Nokia 5800, and while you're at it, a Meizu MiniOne
boba23 said:
So what? My BMW M3 Convertible should arrive in 3 weeks. I'll send you some pics as soon as it's here ;-)
boba
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May I be the first to say: who gives a flying f^&@?
Buying and bragging about a car to make up for lack of something?
harvsingh, how do you intend to get the new Omnia from Korea? Seen it online?
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I know you'll hate me.. so hate away!
i bought 2 x X1's A Touch Hd... and an Omnia too...
Trying to get one of the Korean Omnia's at moment too...
So far.. got the TF3d on the x1's.. and managed just to get the Sony Panel kinda running on the Touch HD too.. I will tidy it up.. so i can choose what i want on what.
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how is the call loudness and clarity of the HD?
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how is the call loudness and clarity of the HD?
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Good.
I returned an Omnia because it was too small (easy to drop), too slow, and it had lots of crackling noise during calls.
No such problems on the HD.
Easy guys...
I did spend alot of lolly.. all sim free.. and nearing the 2k mark..
I do have more money than sense... but i got peed off with all the.. coming soon.. nearly.. we are going to stock it.. and no-one could actually answer some really straight questions..
Does it support Line 1 and Line 2
How quick is GPS lock
How usable in the hand is it.
What is lacking...
so on.. so forth
So i bought them ..and i'll pick and keep the best.. and offload the others i don't want
I initially thought.. 2 x1's.. one for me.. one for mrs
then she liked Omnia.. so.. thats that
then the HD... larger screen... blah blah
(i've found the Touch HD is just thin... but.. it lacks a DPAD.. and the size of fonts and menus as default are pretty much for the blind! there seems no point at general use to have all those pixels.. and set it up to use your big stump/club of a finger.)
May aswell just get a 6500 super big stupid thing,, and set the font up.
The X1 is a good phone. easily pees over the Touch Pro i had.
trumps it in every way.. which is really silly considering they could have tweaked it.. re-shaped (like Touch diamond is on T-mobile) and sold it as a Touch HD Pro. job done
I've got Touch Flo 3d on the X1.. and they run sweet!
i've managed to wedge the Sony Panels onto the HD.. but it totally runs first run .. panel view.. jiggling around panels... fish .. google... spb... x1.... sony panel...... but not after a reboot.... needs alot more work to make it solid.
i asked for help... thinking everyone would love to have the X1 front screen running on the HD... but not one person is assiting me.. so i will do it as i can
omnia from Korea.. i/collegue may have a trip due in the next few weeks.. so may just walk in.. and buy one.. and bring it back
Personally...
The X1.. i think takes the cake.. over the HD... but i will say.. i'd be very tempted with the korean omnia.
Touch HD spec... but in a samsung solid case.. and a camera that is better than the turd on the HD. I have managed to get the Sony Xperia cam app working on the HD also... bit better.. but pic is still not brilliant..and don't forget.. no camera
enough rant.
yes.. calls are clear on the x1's and hd...
prefer the shape/hold of the x1 tho
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Easy guys...
Does it support Line 1 and Line 2
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dunno.
How quick is GPS lock
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In my testing so far it seems to be fast enough. See other threads.
How usable in the hand is it.
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The HD is very usable. The Omnia is for a child's hands, is too slippery, and is easily dropped.
What is lacking...
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HD is lacking a good camera, but I don't buy phones for their cameras.
so on.. so forth
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Maybe you didn't ask it the right way. I'm just guessing
So i bought them ..and i'll pick and keep the best.. and offload the others i don't want
I initially thought.. 2 x1's.. one for me.. one for mrs
then she liked Omnia.. so.. thats that
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Yes, it's good for smaller hands.
then the HD... larger screen... blah blah
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Don't dismiss that too easily. Bigger screen means everything to some of us, even more than GPS, camera, 3G, etc.
(i've found the Touch HD is just thin... but.. it lacks a DPAD.. and the size of fonts and menus as default are pretty much for the blind! there seems no point at general use to have all those pixels.. and set it up to use your big stump/club of a finger.)
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A D-PAD just takes up valuable screen real estate for me. I have no use for a D-PAD. I suppose if you're trying to play shooters that would be a problem
The font sizes are customizable, and should never factor into whether you are going to buy a smaller or larger screen phone.
A stylus is essential for maximum productivity, instead of big stumps. Luckily, the HD stylus doesn't require prying it out with your fingernails to remove it.
May aswell just get a 6500 super big stupid thing,, and set the font up.
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No touch screen.
The X1 is a good phone. easily pees over the Touch Pro i had.
trumps it in every way.. which is really silly considering they could have tweaked it.. re-shaped (like Touch diamond is on T-mobile) and sold it as a Touch HD Pro. job done
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X1 is too small a screen. Needless keyboard. Us stylus writers don't care for that misappropriation
I've got Touch Flo 3d on the X1.. and they run sweet!
i've managed to wedge the Sony Panels onto the HD.. but it totally runs first run .. panel view.. jiggling around panels... fish .. google... spb... x1.... sony panel...... but not after a reboot.... needs alot more work to make it solid.
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I'm a minimalist: I disable TouchFlo, and use Start + Magic Button. No fancy icons or "panels". Today is filled with just a few essential items, such as Mail, Communicator, Calendar, connectivity, and time.
i asked for help... thinking everyone would love to have the X1 front screen running on the HD... but not one person is assiting me.. so i will do it as i can
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I don't know enough about the X1 Today screen, so I don't know whether I'd like it or not. When you have a CAB ready, let us know.
omnia from Korea.. i/collegue may have a trip due in the next few weeks.. so may just walk in.. and buy one.. and bring it back
Personally...
The X1.. i think takes the cake.. over the HD... but i will say.. i'd be very tempted with the korean omnia.
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A minimum screen size of 3.5"is a requirement for me. Small screens strain eyes and make blunt fingers seem even blunter. Low-res but large screens prevent web pages and emails from displaying well.
The HD is the first WinMo GSM phone in 1.5 years to have a 3.5" screen and VGA or higher resolution, without being too thick or large to fit in a small pocket. This is because it uses the space wisely, instead of cramming D-Pads and keyboards onto it.
Touch HD spec... but in a samsung solid case
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Hold on, the X1 does not have HD spec.
HD: 3.8" screen, X1: 3.0" screen
HD: .5" thick, X1: .7" thick
The 3.0" screen pretty much kills the X1 for me.
... and a camera that is better than the turd on the HD. I have managed to get the Sony Xperia cam app working on the HD also... bit better.. but pic is still not brilliant..and don't forget.. no camera
enough rant.
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The HD's camera is worthless, but I don't buy phones to use them as cameras, even occasionally. Only if there was a once-in-a-lifetime chance and I had to capture something or lose it, would I consider using a phone camera. Otherwise I'll use D-SLR.
harvsingh said:
yes.. calls are clear on the x1's and hd...
prefer the shape/hold of the x1 tho
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So overall you prefer the X1 to the HD?
boba23 said:
So what? My BMW M3 Convertible should arrive in 3 weeks. I'll send you some pics as soon as it's here ;-)
boba
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I got the joke, boba.
I've ordered a Touch HD. I've been dealing with GPS lag on my TOuch Pro since day 1...its when you are further ahead than where the gps is reporting you to be by 3-5 seconds.
Can you report if the Touch HD has GPS lag or not..and what gps applications you tested? I've herd Google so far is the only one that lags on the HD.
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Easy guys...
and no-one could actually answer some really straight questions..
Does it support Line 1 and Line 2
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I answered that in a topic about it... The HD supports Line 1 and 2, the Omnia with Orange software does not. With generic software, it does though. Not too strange, right?
Indeed... I have read the comments...
I like the touch HD.. its a good attempt. Poor is the fact that with a little layout change.. the bottom 4 buttons could easily have had the X1/omnia type optical pad put on aswell.
Therefore.. you;d have a control for volume/up and down.. and skip forward and back when in coreplayer/mediaplayer.. seeing as it is very much penned as a media/internet/3g work/play horse / Iphone direct competitor.
I think the HD would be better if i could get a rom stripped of the large menu's everywhere... and get it to run as a PDA and then add large menu's/enable/disable.. and even better.. if you choose a layout that needs finger use.. or if your current layout warrants stylus
As for the Spec of X1 and HD being same... give or take a bit of ram ..i was on about internal goods.
Keyboard..i'm used to the TYTN II size... so.. moving to a more compact one.. has caught me out a few times...
But.. i for one.. did like the X1 panels.... i think it's thinking out of the box... (SE could easily have taken the TF3d...and re-skinned it.. but didn't)
I have done a proof of concept... that makes the X1 Panels (kinda) work on a HD
Anyways...
I got the panels kinda working...
It's only a proof of concept.. and after a reboot.. i cannot access them.. something freaky going on....
It shows it working. and quicker than the X1... just slightly.. but quicker.. All panels have been tried.. and work.. fish.. google... sony.. live (new panel from SE...)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443723
have a look... I think they look 100 times better than TF3d.
I don't want to make this reply sound as a flame but seriously....
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then the HD... larger screen... blah blah
(i've found the Touch HD is just thin... but.. it lacks a DPAD.. and the size of fonts and menus as default are pretty much for the blind! there seems no point at general use to have all those pixels.. and set it up to use your big stump/club of a finger.)
May aswell just get a 6500 super big stupid thing,, and set the font up.
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It's a misconception that a phone NEEDS any UI hardware buttons at all. We can pretend that the iPhone is crap all we want but it demonstrates how to make a good interface. Imagine putting a DPad on there... The screen would be little over half the size making it uncontrollable, and yes, then you suddenly would require a DPad or a stylus to navigate it, because your "big stump/club of a finger" certainly wouldn't cut it.
For the blind? On so many winmo phones I need a freaking stylus to find a contact, which is stupid. I've never seen a Blackberry or an iPhone require a stylus to find a contact... or for anything at all for that matter... Thank goodness they now feature devices with huge screens and great UI's so that I can use my big, clumsy stumps of fingers to GET WORK DONE
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Touch HD spec... but in a samsung solid case.. and a camera that is better than the turd on the HD. I have managed to get the Sony Xperia cam app working on the HD also... bit better.. but pic is still not brilliant..and don't forget.. no camera
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What do you mean with a bit better? Is the camera application better, as in does it have better features? Because certainly the camera application does not make your picture any more "brilliant"... The picture is a direct feed from the sensor which you can manipulate but you can't make the quality any better.
"Touch HD spec" is a little more than just hardware, and even that just doesn't match with the samsung... Why would anybody buy a phone because of specs alone? Any good smartphone has GPS, WIFI, fast processor, 3.5G, what not. Care. The silly Omnia interface versus the HD's touch flo for "blind people"? I'd take the HD every time.
HD power consumption
how is the HD's battery holding up? can you get at least one day out of it with decent usage?
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how is the HD's battery holding up? can you get at least one day out of it with decent usage?
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Would love to know this as well. If battery life is good my Xperia may be going back (nothing wrong with the Xperias battery BTW).
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I don't want to make this reply sound as a flame but seriously....
It's a misconception that a phone NEEDS any UI hardware buttons at all. We can pretend that the iPhone is crap all we want but it demonstrates how to make a good interface. Imagine putting a DPad on there... The screen would be little over half the size making it uncontrollable, and yes, then you suddenly would require a DPad or a stylus to navigate it, because your "big stump/club of a finger" certainly wouldn't cut it..
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I totally disagree.. The Pad i am talking about is the 10mm x 8mm high square pad found on the omnia and X1. the simple touch sensative pad... not the rocker around it. Samsung have done it fine.. and if the 4 keys were spaced...this would have been perfect nested inbetween...
just out of interest.. how do you skip forward on a video you are playing in Coreplayer?
oh.. you drop to windowed view.. then skip forward.. and replay.. well.. thats crap. the x1.. i just swipe over the square pad side to side for forward and back.. and up and down for volume. T.I.D.Y!
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For the blind? On so many winmo phones I need a freaking stylus to find a contact, which is stupid. I've never seen a Blackberry or an iPhone require a stylus to find a contact... or for anything at all for that matter... Thank goodness they now feature devices with huge screens and great UI's so that I can use my big, clumsy stumps of fingers to GET WORK DONE.
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I agree.. but this should be a choice!... EVERYONE on here , wants to alter or change the standard form shipped by HTC, To make it more usable for each person.
That is what this whole place is about..
Taking what HTC have.. and make it different for differnt people.
I like the big ease factor buttons..and menus.. but maybe some would like a more tidy.. more informative display and they would rather use a stylus at times.
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What do you mean with a bit better? Is the camera application better, as in does it have better features? Because certainly the camera application does not make your picture any more "brilliant"... The picture is a direct feed from the sensor which you can manipulate but you can't make the quality any better. .
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"The Camera application is better... and has more options..the original has pants all"
"Touch HD spec" is a little more than just hardware, and even that just doesn't match with the samsung... Why would anybody buy a phone because of specs alone? Any good smartphone has GPS, WIFI, fast processor, 3.5G, what not. Care. The silly Omnia interface versus the HD's touch flo for "blind people"? I'd take the HD every time.[/QUOTE]
As i said earlier.. everyone to their own.... The omnia interface... is pants. That was declared as a better frontend. But M2d goes on.. and also the SPB shell.. which is good enough for that phone.
Anyone want to chuck another log on... ? anyone with marshmallows.?
harvsingh, your modesty knows no bounds.
jealous? no. like someone said i couldnt give a flying _ _ _ _.
hi all
I'm curious that what can Leo do? After a lot of video of it to show how it's great..where are the strengths and weaknesses of it? Is it a really smart phone?
Thank for your all care!
there are plenty of reviews on the internet, read them.
oh and it is really a smartphone just like almost all listed on this forum
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there are plenty of reviews on the internet, read them.
oh and it is really a smartphone just like almost all listed on this forum
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I know it..I'm searching all the information about it every my free time then..but what I want here is can Leo have got some smart function like Iphone?
oh dear...
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I know it..I'm searching all the information about it every my free time then..but what I want here is can Leo have got some smart function like Iphone?
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care to explain what a smart function is
Yes what can it actually do?
HTC has blown us bigtime again.
It can´t do enything you expect it to do, exept looking really nice.
HTC cant expect us to always relly on XDA all the time.
This whole scenario reminds me of "the blackstone affair".
When I bought the blackstone I was convinced, after reading almost everything there were to read about it, it was the best phone ever made.
I was convinced this community would fix every flaw.
Everyboy just assumed the xda devs would fix things.
Ok, XDA have made blackstone better that it was at first, but its not the killerphone
I was expecting it to be.
Now after reading about Leo I get the same fealing.
I mean, were is the native multitouch support. I have read posts were people just assume xda will get that. It still have a GPS-lag. No USB-host, wich everyone seam to just say: XDA will get that. It wont! It is just too hard and to time consuming.
So what can Leo do, except look good?
For 700 euro I had expected a lot more!
You cant get everything in one phone "master" daniel....
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You cant get everything in one phone "master" daniel....
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I know and it makes med sad.
I have bean in this buying coma and just got woken up,
and realised I cant get everything in one phone, if I chose to buy a
HTC phone...
But how come a phone with killer hardware still havent got more to offer,
when both samsung and toshiba G01 has more things to make use of the
hardware?
So what can it do? What use do I have of Leos hardware?
I think this is a nice thread with a good topic.
then don't buy a Leo, simple huh?
Toshiba TG01 lags, care to explain me why? Yet it has the same processor as the HD2. So what is the use of the hardware there (same question)? Same thing on the samsung. Every phone has a fault or something that won't make everyone happen, that's just how it is.
No manufacturer will ever make a phone with everything in it, it's not just HTC that does this. It shouldn't make you sad either, you would do the same if you ran that company, otherwise would bring them about ruin
dont confuse HTC with windows, and iPhone with its respected OS..
HTC made this phone, made a monster, whether it does everything you want or not, its personal opinion, but HTC did make a phone, not the operating system, which is where we get to Windows Mobile, with that OS it depends on the people who make programs for each phone, but we have a ton of windows mobile devices, where each one should have its software designed for it. Now i agree with u, Windows Mobile didnt give us unlimited app's options, they left a big part of that in the hands of other programmers, which is why we are all here on XDA
The iPhone on the other hand, they made the 3 versions of the phone, with all the app's, and then released it, even tho around 90% of the apps are a joke that u install 1 time, play with it for 5 minutes and uninstall it, its still a huge amount of applications.
So you cant really ask if the HD2 can do what the iPhone does, it just takes time for the developers take that "everything i want" and put it into each program
edit: (and i really had to do this ): Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo!
^Well said! and great expression 'Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo' LOL
ibsa03 said:
edit: (and i really had to do this ): Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo!
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Maybe you are right
ibsa03 said:
Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo!
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I expect my phone to be useful to me, not the other way round.
Oh, don't worry, it will be usefull.
Only problem will be could you use all of it's potentials... and find a way to do that...
Gaining post count
Well, seems to me new users badly need postcounts to get a free HSPL when the time comes.
Someone said, ..O dear... (that what spot on)
For the rest, if people really want 1 device that can do it all, buy
the HTC Shift.
This Hybrid OS device does everything from detecting Higgs particles to transdimensional teleportation, GSM calling and Windows 7 / Windows Mobile 6.1 with HDSPA and builtin stereo speakers and then some.
First impressions...
Ok, here some first user experience after half a day:
PRO's:
- The screen is HUGE!
- Flat device
- New TouchFlo + "multitouch" (only zooming), pressuresensitive
- Most applications and functions are fingerfriendly
- Fast(er than Topaz). See my new benchmark thread
- Led flash (not very good, but better than nothing)
- Much program memory 336 Mb
- Flat leather case, simpel but usefull I think
- 3,5 mm connection
- New micro-usb connection (is that a pro?)
CON's:
- The device is huge! To be honest I was a bit shocked when I first saw it. It's very "wide"...
- My first impression is that the screen is good but no better than the (small) Topaz screen
- Storage memory is low, only 183 Mb
- No stylus! At the moment a big issue for me. Not everything is fingerfriendly, so much frustration. Scrolling is hell! CERTAINLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE SCREEN DOESN'T RESPOND ON A STYLUS OR OTHER SHARP OBJECT!!! Hope I will get used to this soon.
- Camera sticks out. The camrea sticks out of the back of the device so the device rests on the silver edges of the camera. Not good for the silver, not good for the camera.
All in all it's impressive...!
Report later when I'm a bit more used to it.
(My Topaz screen look sooooo small now.....)
I completly agree with ETHANIAs first post.
There is also one BIG CON:
"Pretty much all videos under 720p played just fine without any dropped frames. The HTC HD2 has similar issues as Acer neoTouch and has even worse performance. While the neoTouch managed to play the 720p videos with 15-17 fps, the HD2 has an output of only 12-13 frames per second. Not that any of those is actually watchable but it gives you an idea. We guess the graphics subsystem of the Acer neoTouch has a few tricks under its sleeve and it's not a matter of pure CPU clock comparison."
taken from: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-review-415p3.php
and i should pay 700€ for this???
Sorry, not me!
6ak said:
I completly agree with ETHANIAs first post.
There is also one BIG CON:
"Pretty much all videos under 720p played just fine without any dropped frames. The HTC HD2 has similar issues as Acer neoTouch and has even worse performance. While the neoTouch managed to play the 720p videos with 15-17 fps, the HD2 has an output of only 12-13 frames per second. Not that any of those is actually watchable but it gives you an idea. We guess the graphics subsystem of the Acer neoTouch has a few tricks under its sleeve and it's not a matter of pure CPU clock comparison."
taken from: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-review-415p3.php
and i should pay 700€ for this???
Sorry, not me!
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I wonder why you even bother to write this. By now we all know HTC won't do anything with this type of comment.
Nice to share but if you don't want it (don't you?), just don't buy it. Indeed it saves you 700 euro. (by the way in Holland they are cheaper...).
And I am a happy owner.
pietrucci said:
I wonder why you even bother to write this. By now we all know HTC won't do anything with this type of comment.
Nice to share but if you don't want it (don't you?), just don't buy it. Indeed it saves you 700 euro. (by the way in Holland they are cheaper...).
And I am a happy owner.
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I have TOUCH HD and i am dissapointed with it. Yes you are right, i really dont think to buy it (not yet ). I wish you luck with yours HD 2.
Any link for buying in Holland?
Being smaller and offering a resistive screen plus still being a good phone are there any advantages of the HD over the HD2?
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Being smaller and offering a resistive screen plus still being a good phone are there any advantages of the HD over the HD2?
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woooop another manc i only got my HD like 2 weeks ago, upgraded from my touch diamond, i cudnt afford a HD2, so i got the next best thing lol
I too have a diamond, the reason i'm interested is that i'm outdoors ALOT! So a cap screen is rubbish with gloves on.
I could go for a S200 or TG01 but XDA DEV have no support for these. So a nearly new HD is tempting, but the performance of the HD will be no better than my Diamond other then the extra memory...
There are a few of us Mancs about
i have maybe 50% free ram, when using my HD and thats running Sence 2.5, on the diamond tho it soon shot up to like 20-30% free ram only using TF3D 2.1, but on the other hand, even tho the HD has a higher resolution, things looked alot sharper on the diamond, maybe cuz of its smaller screen size, i like being able to use a sd card tho, im not limited to 4gb like on the diamond and the large screen is gr8 for watching movies, The HD dosent offer that much more than the diamond tho so yeah the HD 2 is the better choice if you can afford it lol I could of got a TGO1 for £200 pound, £35 pound less than i paid for my HD, They got em in the fone shop nr picadilly station in town if you want one lol
Near the train station or those near Picadilly Gardens (bus station)? A TG01 would be tempting.
Near the train station, its just at the top off the hill, they got hundreds of fones in the windows, theres another site floating about called wmdevelopers or sumat, its ment to be like xda but for other wm devices, you'll be able to upgrade a tgo1 there i assume
I'd say you wait for some time -- see what comes out and maybe there will be something even better than HD2!!
As for me (a Touch HD owner) I wont go for HD2, because:
1) it has snapdragon - I was waiting for Tegra
2) There are some rumors about Tegra2 (two times more powerful than Tegra)
3) Im saving some money for a Yamaha WR125X , so I cant afford to spend it on a new phone, of which I will get bored after a few weeks
4) I've also heard some rumors about Toshiba next models (those after TG01) -same snapdragon cpu, but some nice features like 3speakers (good for me as Im a melomaniac)
if i didnot own touch HD already i would be sure to buy HD2. now for me there is no significant advantage of upgrading
right...i have a HD and cannot wait to get my hands on the HD2...im using a custom rom by L26 which uses the Leo interface. using half the power of the HD2, the Leo interface is bearable, very usable actually, however i can just tell that some of the nags will not be an issue with the extra 500Mhtz of processing power and double ram the HD2 will have. i think using my HD as a backup phone will surfice!
=D
I use a stylus almost 100% of the time so will not be buying an HD2.
More likely to get the acer, even after a bad experience with an F900, it's smaller, has better battery life, look's to be a bit faster and is far cheaper.
Couldn't care less about TF3D or sense.
My HD is OK for the moment, I would have preferred them to just change out the crappy msm7201 for snapragon, make the screen "a lot" more sensitive like the S200 apparently is, leave the rest alone.
The HD2 is a windows mobile iphone because of it's input and has no appeal to me because of it,I can barely stand not having a d-pad, let alone no stylus.
imo a resistive screen with a stylus is better on a finger-unfriendly windows mobile, isn't it?
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imo a resistive screen with a stylus is better on a finger-unfriendly windows mobile, isn't it?
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Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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I'd like to think issues between Microsoft and HTC would be resolved with wm7...........but if I was a betting man I'd bet that it would just cause more issues!!
Unfortunately for me (in the US) I have to wait until a branded version comes out. My Touch HD 8585 gets me 3G for now.
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I'd like to think issues between Microsoft and HTC would be resolved with wm7...........but if I was a betting man I'd bet that it would just cause more issues!!
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most "issues" are solved by XDA, not them
Moandal said:
Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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take in mind when u first brought the blackstone u had to get used to it just as well as any other phone u will buy in the future
wingtytn said:
take in mind when u first brought the blackstone u had to get used to it just as well as any other phone u will buy in the future
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when we first bought the blackstone we are surprised by the huge screen which enabled some finger operations on the finger unfriendly windows mobile, but, whenever you need a stylus, you got an option at least. Not really need to go over a learning and compromising process to get used to it.
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most "issues" are solved by XDA, not them
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Touché, I would tend to agree with you on this
Yep. The 4.3" Screen is just too big - not pocket friendly at all. That and the capacitive screen...
I would personally love to trade my HD for an HD2. The HD2 has a larger screen, led flash and most importantly: a 1ghz cpu... too bad it is not going to happen