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http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html
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Network Bands2
Europe:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Asia Pacific:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
I know its not under HSPA but it being GSM 850/1900 thought maybe it would.. my thought though and it maybe just stupidly true that it means it will work on att 2g.
-Charlie
dahui9 said:
I know its not under HSPA but it being GSM 850/1900 thought maybe it would.. my thought though and it maybe just stupidly true that it means it will work on att 2g.
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I have a Telus Australia Touch HD that does 850/1900 and I get 3g on AT&T, because of the 850mhz. Theres no 850 in the 3g frequency set of the Nexus One, only for the 2g frequency set.
HSPA/WCDMA = 3G/3.5G
GSM = 2G/2.5G
The maximum level of service it will receive on AT&T is EDGE (2.5G), at least for this model. There may be a version of the Desire coming to AT&T including the 3G bands.
I figured as much, maybe the supposedly rumored nexus one FCC slight model change will have 3g for ATT. That was my only reason to possibly get the Desire over my amazingly fast nexus
-charlie
Telstra has confirmed the Desire with NextG (3.5G) which is on 850. Should be out early april
grrr. now its decision time...
-Charlie
dahui9 said:
grrr. now its decision time...
-Charlie
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Keep in mind an imported Desire will probably cost a small fortune, not that the N1 isn't expensive (unlocked), but I'm sure the Desire will be a good bit more.
To give you some idea, an imported HD2 from Australia (works on 850 3G with AT&T, after being unlocked) runs about $750-800 at the lowest I've seen, with shipping. I'm not sure what other costs are involved when you factor in customs, etc. Then of course for warranty you'd have to rely on shipping back and forth between Australia, which is just a hassle.
I have purchased an imported phone previously (Telstra Touch HD), but I don't think I will be doing that again.
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).
(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).
pa49 said:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
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Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american!
At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.
T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.
The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.
erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands
alefsin said:
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
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you can check though. google it
Yes it does!
alefsin said:
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
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I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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you can check though. google it
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I did, check post #5
Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:
Hi, I'm very excited about HTC HD2 on T-Mobile USA. However there is a cruicial question taht I could not find an answer for yet: Should I get this phone, when I travel to Europe, can I use 3G? The specs say this phone will support AWS/2100 MHz UMTS. Since the 2100 MHz is the dominant frequency for western european 3G networks, does it mean this phone would work on their 3G networks? Nobody at T-mobile's support could answer me so I hope you could solve this mystery.
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And they answered:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I understand the importance in researching a phone before you purchase it. This is a unusual situation and one T-mobile may not have been experienced with. For T-mobiles network the phone will be using the 1700 and 2100 bands. Although the 2100 band is common world wide. allowing the phone to pick up the edge network. T-mobile uses the 1700 for there 3G services. This band as far as we are aware is only used by T-mobile when it comes to major carriers world wide. More then likely the phone would not be able to pick up 3g if taken over seas.
However. T-mobile dose have a few branches in Europe. You may wish to check with them to see what bands they use for 3G, and if they have had any conflicts with American phones.
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wmfreak said:
I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?
OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused
Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?
JohnQ said:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
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nice email address you have in that picture John
I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G
Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...
I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)
I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.
I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..
Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!
Basically as the title suggests........possibly being a bit dim, but would prefer confirmation that I am about to buy the correct/best model for UK use.
There are 2 sim free models, which do I need...?
The 2nd one appears to me to be "The One"
Can someone please confirm this for me.. I am buying today
Presumably you do *not* want to buy the cdma one... You should buy the one that is compatible with the t-mobile network if the UK is the country you're going to be using it in.
peadarog said:
Presumably you do *not* want to buy the cdma one... You should buy the one that is compatible with the t-mobile network if the UK is the country you're going to be using it in.
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Your post is appreciated...thanks
Choose the model that was first released, it works perfect on Orange and O2
nDrg said:
Choose the model that was first released, it works perfect on Orange and O2
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And T-Mobile UK
If you plan on traveling to North America, the 850/1900 UMTS network here is bigger than the 1700/2100. If you plan on traveling to Asia and I think Australia, there are a few networks that use the 900 band.
It doesn't matter which GSM model you get if you are only counting UK networks.
My query revolves around the google ordering site, both options appear pretty similar...
Initially I thought it was option 2 I needed but now it doesn't really matter, if I understand the replies above. I will mainly be UK based but will be in Europe occasionally.
3G is essential for obvious reasons.
1. Compatible with 3G on T-Mobile (U.S.)
Supports three 3G/UMTS bands (900/AWS/2100 MHz) and four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
2. Compatible with 3G on AT&T (U.S.) and these wireless providers in Canada.
Supports three 3G/UMTS bands (850/1900/2100 MHz) and four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
Get the one that as originally released. I have one & am using it on O2 UK & work great. No issues.
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Get the one that as originally released. I have one & am using it on O2 UK & work great. No issues.
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Argh.....this is my question ?? which one is that from the choice of 2 on the google site.
I have seen you post in a couple of Forums and from what I have read they say get the T-MOBILE version, that is the BEST for T-MOBIL UK O2, that is the first one released,
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I have seen you post in a couple of Forums and from what I have read they say get the T-MOBILE version, that is the BEST for T-MOBIL UK O2, that is the first one released,
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At last.........thanks for being clear and to the point.
Although both versions will work perfectly fine in the UK (all UK carriers use the 2100 UTMS band for 3G), it really depends if you ever plan on using it abroad.
Europe, Asia, Africas and Oceania (everywhere else but Americas basically) you are better off getting the 900/AWS/2100 "US T-Mobile" version as most carriers use 900/2100 band around the world.
Americas (both North and South) you are better with the 850/1900/2100 "US AT&T" version as the majority use the 850/1900 band.
I myself have the 900/AWS/2100 version because most of my usage abroad are either in Europe (France/Italy) or in Asia (Hong Kong/China). You can check the frequency band usage yourself at Wikipedia so you can lookup your favourite carriers if needed.
I just recently bought a tmobile htc hd2 from ebay and plan on using it on vorgin mobile (which i believe uses bell's network).
As i understand, bell uses a HSPA+ (850 Mhz) connection, which this phone is not compatible. But i have been doing some searching and i found the phone specs on gsmarena whcih state that the american version has HSDPA 850.
I was wondering if there was any possibility that the phone will work on Virgin Mobile 3G or any way I can get it to work (unless it is just a hardware limitation)
Thanks in advance
The US T-Mo HD2 is hardware limited to different frequencies;
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
So it should get edge no problem but 3g.....
Now the Telstra version which has the 850 band would work in theory.
So it will at least work with virgin? Because if 3 g doesn't work I could wait till later in 2010 when wind mobile expands to my area and I believe wind should work correct?
So it will at least work with virgin? Because if 3 g doesn't work I could wait till later in 2010 when wind mobile expands to my area and I believe wind should work correct?
Check pdaplaza.ca
I got an HD2 from them last week. I'm on Rogers, and 3G/HSDPA work perfectly. I'm not sure about Bell.
I believe mine is an unlocked Telstra version. The T-Mobile version doesn't do 3G on 850 as far as I understand.
how much did it end up costing with shipping and all?
Hi!
I just got a HD2 here in the US. I am just visiting and my old phone, the HTC Touch HD died 2 days ago, so I bought the HD2 here.
Can you please assure me that it will work in Germany?
I think it will, because in Germany we use 900 / 1900 as GSM Frequency, as far as I know.
Can you please help? Thanks.
Hello,
I heard that there are different LTE frequencies and i'm not sure if a LTE Nexus 7 bought in Canada would work in Germany? Probably this is an hardware issue and can't be changed with a custom Rom or something? Or is there a way to get it working? Thanks for your help.
MadMatt89 said:
Hello,
I heard that there are different LTE frequencies and i'm not sure if a LTE Nexus 7 bought in Canada would work in Germany? Probably this is an hardware issue and can't be changed with a custom Rom or something? Or is there a way to get it working? Thanks for your help.
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Why not buying the LTE-version at the MediaMarkt in Germany? Then you are sure LTE will work in Germany (and the rest of Europe!)!
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Why not buying the LTE-version at the MediaMarkt in Germany? Then you are sure LTE will work in Germany (and the rest of Europe!)!
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Maybe because I'm in Canada?
The supported LTE frequencies are different. They are listed here:
https://support.google.com/nexus/7/answer/3248332?hl=en
You will have very, very little LTE coverage with a North American N7 in Europe. Things look good for GSM/HSPA+.
tni.andro said:
The supported LTE frequencies are different. They are listed here:
https://support.google.com/nexus/7/answer/3248332?hl=en
You will have very, very little LTE coverage with a North American N7 in Europe. Things look good for GSM/HSPA+.
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So could I use the n7 but it will most likely just get HSPA+?
But it is hardware locked isnt it? So I can't change the bands with software?
MadMatt89 said:
So could I use the n7 but it will most likely just get HSPA+?
But it is hardware locked isnt it? So I can't change the bands with software?
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Theoretically - but since Qualcomm is keeping the tech notes for the WRT1605L chip very hard to obtain - and since there is no software to do this - and since it's entirely possible the chip is 'select once' (I've read through the API for the chipset and can find lots of 'look up the settings' but no 'change the settings' commands), I would say 'not gonna happen soon'.
In fact, it's slightly worse than you might think. Canada uses bands 4 and 7 which ARE included in the European model, but only band 4 is included in the US model - so we're already taking a compatibility hit. Even worse, the US model only uses six of the seven bands the chip can support at one time - you'd think they'd have thrown in 7 just for compatibility reasons.
In any case, the 'unlocked' they refer to is 'carrier unlocked' which means you can use it with any carrier... not unlocked as in 'you can change the bands'.
I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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I contacted the Google customer service and they said thats true, Canada belongs to the "Rest Of World"
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I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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Sadly - this is incorrect statement . I bought mine and it does not connect to LTE. I called rogers Canada and they said you need LTE 2600MHz to be able to connect at the LTE rate. So i called Google Play and after 45 minutes in the call , they said bottom line is if you in Canada ( which is North America, d'oh! ) you are not getting 2600MHz on your Nexus 7. And Basta !
... does this make any sense ???
dinar said:
Sadly - this is incorrect statement . I bought mine and it does not connect to LTE. I called rogers Canada and they said you need LTE 2600MHz to be able to connect at the LTE rate. So i called Google Play and after 45 minutes in the call , they said bottom line is if you in Canada ( which is North America, d'oh! ) you are not getting 2600MHz on your Nexus 7. And Basta !
... does this make any sense ???
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This information is incorrect or at least outdated. Rogers supports the 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz LTE bands. Hardware-wise, the 2100 MHz band is supported on the Nexus 7 (US/Canada); the 2600 MHz band is only supported on the International Nexus 7. The 2100 MHz band is the default band for Rogers LTE -- everywhere that Rogers has deployed LTE, they have deployed 2100 MHz. I personally use my Nexus 7 (US/Canada) on the Rogers network, with LTE, and it works fine.
However, if you want to use the Rogers "LTE Max" service, then yes, you need both 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz. LTE Max uses both frequency bands to increase throughput. On LTE Max, 150Mb/s downstream rates are theoretically achievable. The regular Rogers LTE, on the 2100 MHz band (without 2600 MHz) can only reach 75Mb/s downstream. The Rogers 2600 MHz band is only active in a very few areas (mainly very big cities). Outside of these few areas, you can't get LTE Max, and the only way to get any LTE at all is via 2100 MHz.
Personally, I have no problem with "only" 75Mb/s downstream.