Before I got my HD2, all I read was that iphones dont work with gloves due to the capacitive screen, I thought bummer when it snows here the same will apply to the HD2.
Having just come from a snowball fight, and taken loads of pics in the process, I was surprised that I could whith my huge thick gloves.
My question is, is this the same for all capactive screens?
maybe this is the reason why the touch screen doesn't work proper in many cases - it's too sensible, there is a too big electric field, therefore when using the virtual keyboard it happens that an other letter is displayed on the screen than you've pressed.
Just a thought but...... won't the tip of woolly/cotton gloves scratch the screen?
Well, mine sure doesn't. And I wish it would! I go to work on my bike and this is the season where I have to wear thick gloves. I'm afflicted like many of us by the "music stops" bug and I have to stop, take off my gloves and starts the player again. It's a pain!
It depends on the material of your gloves. As I mentioned in my tips thread, thin leather gloves DO work on capacitive screens such as HD2 and iPhone. However I also have another pair of leather gloves which have like a knitted wool lining which is quite thick (the lining not the leather) and was suprised to see them work too. I think it is probably because the wool lining holds the static from my finger that allows it to work. I think. I am not an expert in how capacitive screens work. I can happily type an sms without having to remove my gloves in this cold snowy weather.
Generally the thinner the glove material the better. Don't waste your money on these special capacitive finger tip gloves. There are far more better looking gloves out there. Just choose thin leather gloves to be certain they will work.
Should have mentioned that these arnt woolly but polyester with a thick inner lining,
Maybe its the reason for all those extra diagonal lines on the screen??
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Just a thought but...... won't the tip of woolly/cotton gloves scratch the screen?
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really?? a knife, a scissor, keys wont scratch the screen but the wooly/cotton glove will????
conductive thread
today i received about a metre of conductive thread from ebay. (under 3 quid)
initial test show that this:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Making-A-Glove-Work-With-A-Touch-Screen/ is going to work really well.
my gloves are however massive so i'm going to get a higher quality, thinner pair and then with a few stitches i'll be nice and cosy.
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Do you use a screenprotector on your trinity? I do, one from Brando, but I don't like it and am thinking about removing it...
Is anyones screen already damaged?
Is it possible to put it perfectly at all ?! I mean I must be in a totaly sterile envoirement with gloves and special suit and God knows how and what skill I must have to put it right
My Trinity is one day old but I will surely remove it in a couple of days, can't look at it with this ugly bubbles beneath
The first thing I do when I get any new device is get a screen protector for it, and it goes on before I ever start using the device. I've gone through a lot of PDA's over time and one thing I can say is that you get better at putting on the protectors and you get used to the odd bubble or piece of dust underneath. It's far better than what happens to your screen without a screen protector over time.
The best way to put the protector on is to carefully peel just a bit of one edge and line it up at the top of the screen. Then use the included card to slide the rest down the screen, the paper backing will peel off as you do this and it helps to prevent bubbles and dust getting on the stick side of the film.
If you don't like bubbles, try a brand that is not adhesive. Most people don't like the type that slips under the case but I do. I've been using NuShield protectors for a couple of years on 4 different PDAs and they are great IMO. I don't use a case (store in pocket) and NuShields are very durable - easily lasting 6 mo.
I'm using a brando ultraclear for K-Jam in my p3600... it works perfect... I haven't any sort of bubbles because i put it the first day i got my new device.. so device under it was very clean and the result is PERFECT
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...you get used to the odd bubble or piece of dust underneath. It's far better than what happens to your screen without a screen protector over time.
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Completely agree!
I'm using Covertec Screenprotector(for S100), and it works like hell!
The screenprotector is about 1-1,5 mm thick, so it's pretty thick compared to many other brands, but the advantage is that it's almost impossible to get airbubbles, and the screenprotector is 110% clear! So you won't even see it's there!
Comes in a pack with two protectors, one with UV-filter, and one which is ultra-clear...
Can highly recomend them... No need for a "anti-bubble-wiper-thingy"
1.5mm thick?!?!?! That's thicker than a "anti-bubble-wiper-thingy". I have wetsuites that thick. You talking about a case or a screen protector?
LOL
No offense - just having fun. Some are actually quite thick in comparison.
Hehe! Well, ok; maybe it's a bit thinner... But it's about the thickness of a playing card, and just as stiff as one too...
And no, it's not a casing, or a wetsuit... Maybe a drysuit haha!
I use protector, but got 2 bubbles which I want to try to remove.
Can anyone tell me how to remove the protector without using anything thin and sharp?
Asbjørn
Tape. Take a 1-2 inch long piece of tape and press one end on a corner of the protector. Then pull
I can't get my screenprotector removed...not even with tape
Hate screen protectors. Don't use them. My nephew has a Jam which is years old and hasn't had a protector. NO screen scratches -- only a little dullness where the SIP keyboard is but that buffs out in seconds once a year using Displex. No scratches from keys even though it's subject to some abuse and the casing is scratched and dented. Thus I myself have no crap on my P3600's screen.
Im not a fan of cases or screen protectors, but I got 1 for my p3600. Its pretty good, I just wish it was about 2mm wider, since the left edge doesnt quite go till the very end of the screen which is annoying.
I got my screen protector from 'Javoedge.com' , it cost me about £8.50 but it is worth every penny.
It is cut to the exact size of the Trinity screen and fits really well. It is so thin that it slides beneath the White plastic case of my Trinity and the screen itself, so there are no edges of the screen protector to be seen.
I agree that you must take your time when installing it to try and get the edges straight, but when it's on it fits and looks great.
I opted for the super clear version and not the anti-glare version.
Great product!
Invisible shield from ShieldZone.com
I'm using an "Invisible Shield" from ShieldZone.com for my P3600. At the time I got mine, it didn't exist any pre-cut version for the P3600, so I ended up with a pre-cut TyTN shield, since they have the same screen size.
The first 2-3 days the result wasn't that good as I had some bubbles under the shield, but they disappeared after some days.
Watch the demo videos on ShieldZone.com, and I guess you will be as impressed as I'm with this shield.
-Bjørn
Hi people.
I am soon gonna be a happy owner of a Trinity and i will definately buy a screen protector for my device. Can you please give me your opinion on different brands you have tried?What brand would you recommend buying?
Thanks
I have a Brando one that they now market as a P3600 version.
It sticks to the screen with static so no glue or residue if you remove it. Also this means it is washable too. The static provides more than enough force to keep it on the screen. In fact it is stuck fast. Only by pulling a piece of tape stuck to it by both ends will remove it.
My only problem is more with screenprotectors in general. Since they add extra thickness to the screen they do affect the sensitivity of the touchscreen. So for a while you will write with the stylus and you wont be using enough force. You get used to it, but it would still be nicer to find a thinner membrane.
Mine is a Clear Touch Crystal from Boxwave. I've used Boxwave's products for years and found them to have very high durability and quality. The screen looks like it has nothing on it at all when the device is on. I find that it actually seems to improve touchscreen accuracy and feel.
The only problem I have had with screen protectors in general is that if they are cut too close to the borders of the screen, that is, if they fit too well, they seem to interfere with the screen's ability to detect taps. I think it is interfering with the digitizer. Every time I have installed a protector PERFECTLY leaving no gaps on any side, the screen stops responding until I remove the protector and reinstall it with the edges trimmed in about 1 mm on all sides. I don't think that you need to have all edges trimmed, but I do it for uniformity's sake.
Hope this helps someone who gets a protector and then thinks they broke their device by installing it like I did my first time.......ahhh to be young again.....
@olsenbjo
Does the Invisible Sheild cover the entire device, or just the screen?
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I know its vain... but I scratched on the bezel of my 8525 the first day I bought it and staring at it is really starting to annoy me. Its the bezel part that starts above the call buttons and goes up the right side and then along the top.
Does anyone know if it is made from real brushed aluminum or is it plastic made to look like brushed aluminum? If its real, I'm going to dremel the scratch away... if its plastic and I try doing that... it will only make it much worse.
Thanks for any help on this.
EDIT: Does anyone have a dead 8525 or even just the front part they want to get rid of for cheap? I figure I could replace the bezel as well. Thanks again.
I'm not sure how does the fake plastic goes, but aluminum is a electric conductor, you can try and see if it gets electric passed through it? Still, fake plastic may be a conductor as well (i.e. uses aluminum powder to make it shiny). Anyway, if it was to be aluminum, it should be cold to the touch.
BTW, when you said "dremel the scratch away", how do you do that? I had a big one on my Wizard too, it is definitely aluminum here. Also, I have an old SStell watch that I would like to get the scratch off
Sure feels like METAL. One thing to fix smaller scratches on metal, try eraser for ink, it's slightly abrasive.
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I'm not sure how does the fake plastic goes, but aluminum is a electric conductor, you can try and see if it gets electric passed through it? Still, fake plastic may be a conductor as well (i.e. uses aluminum powder to make it shiny). Anyway, if it was to be aluminum, it should be cold to the touch.
BTW, when you said "dremel the scratch away", how do you do that? I had a big one on my Wizard too, it is definitely aluminum here. Also, I have an old SStell watch that I would like to get the scratch off
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I am fairly skillful with a dremel. I was thinking I would us a fine grained dremel brush and brush along the grain. Basically, it would be recessing that part of the bezel down to the depth of the scratch (it is uneven new and the scratch is located at a slightly elevated position which would be perfect for this). This would only work for slight scratches.
I know this
It dents like aluminum. I dropped mine last winter, and it put some scratches and dents int it... well the dents curve into the hole, which plastic would just shear and have a grooved edge, it wouldn't bend. So My vote is metal.
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Sure feels like METAL. One thing to fix smaller scratches on metal, try eraser for ink, it's slightly abrasive.
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I hunting for an erasable ink pen right now. Thanks.
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I hunting for an erasable ink pen right now. Thanks.
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People use it to take care of small scratches on fine watches, so I'm guessing it will work here to. Obviously you need to use it direction of the "brushed" direction of the metal.
You can stumble on interesting stuf on the net.
I 've read people were removing branding from phones with a sugar cube. Abrasive enough to remove screen printed branding but not enough to scratch the plastic. Not to say that trick will work on Hermes.
(Not sure if there has been a post about this, apologies if there has.)
Just wanted to let everyone know that I had a fairly big scratched area, right where I write the letters for the Letter Recogniser SIP which was very annoying as it prevented the stylus from gliding smoothly. I heard that I should use Brasso (~£1.30 from your local supermarket) on the screen and it has been VERY successful. It's completely removed the scratch.
Just apply a small amount with a cotton-bud and work into the screen in circlular motion (press harder for deeper scratches). Keep doing this for about 10-15 times or until the scratch disappears.
Hope this helps anyone with screen scratches or anyone wondering about using Brasso but too scared to try.
Careful
I wouldn't recommend it as too much brasso will affect the screen, It's not just an abbrasive but solvent too so you will melt the plastic screen. Over-use will make the screen look warped.
I tried this on my M500 ages ago; now if HTC have improved on the screen then hey.. go ahead but don't say I didn't warn you.
Screen protectors are a much better option. If the screen is already marked a protector would give you a smooth finish again. If thats to expensive an option clear contact sheet will also offer the same results and a roll of that will give you screen covers for the rest of your natural life.
it would not "melt" the screen - how misguided. it is a mild solvent and abrasive and so is unlikely to cause much harm to the screen unless used constantly. screen protectors look awful on a screen - especially when the device is off.
http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/2007100487/my-laptop-screen-is-scratched.html
Off topic a bit. I bought an expensive screen protector from Brando.. it works very well.. but.. for some reason it (the screen protector) got scratched. any easy way to solve it? Brasso is ok? I thought if there can be any method of using .. say car wax to fill in the grooves of the scratch.
I think it got scratched when stuff like sand got attached to my face and when I list to the phone, it stick onto the scren pctr.. and when I write on it.. it got scratched.
Just be happy you had the screen protector on!
I tried to take out the scratches from the plastic cover on my Casio watch with (Crest) toothpaste and it worked FANTASTIC!!!
Thanks a lot to the Guy who suggested this solution for PDA screens.
Damage to screen with brasso
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it would not "melt" the screen - how misguided. it is a mild solvent and abrasive and so is unlikely to cause much harm to the screen unless used constantly. screen protectors look awful on a screen - especially when the device is off.
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OK it doesn't melt the screen off but it gives it a warped look if you reflect light off it.
No tricks can help
Do not fool yourself. Brasso, toothpaste, Displex all leave marks on the screen. Check it with the device off in sunlight or a strong light source.
Brando protector is expensive.
Cheap and perfect is a new digitizer (USD 8).
I just ordered two more. And whenever I get a scratch and I have time I replace it.
hmmm... Brando's protector is selling for 9-10 dollars - you can easily find cheaper alternatives.
I guess the time and hassles (and of course the warranty alone) of replacing the actual digitizer don't really worth the few bucks saved.
Is it the same kind of touchscreen as all the other HTC models have or is it like the iPhone....
The onlu thing about the iphone is it's touch screen of hard glass coated with stuff to make it touch sensitive.
This looks to be hard glass too but it's very hard to see on video is there anybody who knows if it's hard glass or the same kind of touch screen as the Touch pro has...
Watskeburt,
Well the French chick in the video decribed the HD as having a better touchscreen than the diamond and it bieng almost as good as the Iphones. Although the Iphones touch screen is capacitive.
The Hd's touch screen is still pressure sensitive.
The HD's touch screen will be the same as the Diamond and Touch Pro. As the guy in the video was saying it was sensitive, he scrolled along the bottom of TF3D and it stopped going with his finger and treated it as a tap later down the line of icons. No touch screen can compare to a capacitive screen, the iPhone and G1 will always be more sensitive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
Skip to like 1:25, as he says it's a very sensitive screen it doesn't even track his finger along the bottom.
The screen isn't multitouch compatible. if that's what you were asking.
No i was just wondering what kind of glass was used.
Is it lik ethe iPhone. Regular hardened glass with a touch sensitive coating ( that wears off after a while i know)
or is it the same old touchscreen that we are used to. You know sevral layers of thin glass and plastic that's so easy to scratch and break......
Well, "scratch" and "break" are relative, IMO. The iPhone's glass screen may have a more durable feel under normal finger usage but can shatter more easily when dropped, whereas plastics might feel cheaper but have a bit more give for better durability under sudden shock.
Resistance to scratches will depend wholly on the type of scratch abuse and choice of screen protector.
As far as the glass+capacitive coating (on the iPhone) goes, let me say that resistive touchscreens are also susceptible to damage, namely the "oil patch" where the touch-sensitive layer is subject to too much pressure and "breaks" (not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity) and discoloration similar to an oil patch appears. This has happened to me on my Touch Pro, and others on their Diamonds, and I suspect it might happen on the HD as well (since it is also a flush-mounted touch-resistive display).
The capacitance screen of the iPhone also means it cannot be used with anything other than a finger, i.e. no stylus. This means that every interface has to be sized accordingly for finger user rather than being able to be smaller and more detailed for stylus use.
It's true that in the french video the menu scroller does not keep up with his finger. However, he is brushing the menu very lightly in order to demonstrate that the pressure threshold is much lower. No, it does not equal a capacitive screen, but he does specifically state that it is different to that of the diamond in terms of sensitivity. The diamond requires a lot of pressure, and you don't need a capacitive screen just to have it respond to much less pressure.
capacitance screen for winmo?
I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
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I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
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I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
I can tell you that the screen is really great. better than i thought.
It is still a resitive screen, but it feels like glass, especially after you put the screen protector which comes with the device on the screen. an as far as it goes, i think its very scratch resistent, even against fingernails and so.
It doesn't even feel like you are pressign the screen, its much more like the iphone glass display and comes very close to it.
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I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
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Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
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Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
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Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
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Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
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this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
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this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
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Now that my friend is the future! Lol
Sorry to all if we are going off topic
I wear leather gloves when it is cold and I am happy that I would not need to take them off to use my phone and freeze my fingers when outside. I have seen iphone users wearing gloves taking them off to use the phone. I guess another perk to using pressure sensitive screen - warmer hands
seeing no body answered OP's question, but all came at a very close tangent, i'll take a stab at it.
HD's screen is not glass, it cannot be glass like iphone because HD requires it screen to "bend" and "depress" a little at the specific spot so the second layer can sense the pressure. the first//top layer is only a screen, touch/pressure panel is beneath that.
do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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I didn't test ist without the screen protector (but the one which is in the package is very good and invisible, as the edges are perfectly cut.)
With the Screen protector of the packages, it seems very scratch resistant and fells like the glass iphone screen
did the screen protector go on easy or do you have the bubbling problem?, this is the main reason i dont bother with screen protectors.
Hi!
How is the screen protector that comes with the product working?
Websites like invisibleSHIELD.com sell full body shielding. Any idea when this will be made for the new Touch HD?
It's pretty cr4p [very awkward and fiddly - the fit is to the last nano-metre, so, try as I might I could not get mine to be entirely 'bubble free' at the bottom of one edge]- I'm waiting for a 'Martin Fields' one to be released - then I'll get one of those and a replacement for my Diamond whilst I'm at it
I threw mine in the bin, it really hinders you sliding your fingers/thumb ..
love my invisible for diamond, it does make screen and other parts kinda rubber which makes using finger little harder, but it does get better in about month.
if you apply it carefully there wont be bubbles and if there are small spots with air or something most will leave in few days.
no scratches on my diamond and love it!
Also it's better to do it in a clean atomsphere.
I apply screen protectors in the bathroom after a shower and opening the window as I read somewhere a few years back that the steam reduces the number of dust particles in the air - creating bubbles..
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Also it's better to do it in a clean atomsphere.
I apply screen protectors in the bathroom after a shower and opening the window as I read somewhere a few years back that the steam reduces the number of dust particles in the air - creating bubbles..
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The screen protector which came with the HD is very good. i see no need to switch to another one. Only if you dont want an ultry clear model, as it reflects the light more (but looks nicer on the other hand)
the screen protector fits abolutely perfect, and feels very good. no bubbles or anything. after installing it, the HD felt like the galss display of the Iphone
ps: yeah if you have no area at home wihout dust go in your baathroom and turn on hot water. the steam/water in the air binds with the dust particels and coms down. but wait until it goes away, otherwise the steam will also settle down on your device or screenprotector