Database Users

Video playback on LEO

Will there be issues on video playback like all other HTC devices ?
Will leo be able to play a not converted divx ?

firiel said:
Will there be issues on video playback like all other HTC devices ?
Will leo be able to play a not converted divx ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think it's able to play till 480p res. videos even no exist video acceleration or drivers... It's powered by brute cpu force with snapdragon to process vid. codecs IMO...

firiel said:
Will there be issues on video playback like all other HTC devices ?
Will leo be able to play a not converted divx ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm not gonna worry about that. For Touch HD, I used Total Video Converter, I used Iphone H264 MP4 best settings and play in Windows Media Player, even in Touch HD it is smooth and stunning at full 800 X 480, only that scrolling through time frames or during video startup is sluggish. And for HD2, I believe the loading time will be shortened.
Playing high quality videos have been non issue with these HTC devices, you just need to do it right.

precsmo said:
Playing high quality videos have been non issue with these HTC devices, you just need to do it right.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you don't mind wasting time on conversion, that is.

From HTC website: Video supported formats: .wmv, .asf, .mp4, .3gp, .3g2, .m4v, .avi
Can't speak to quality because the phone isn't out. ;-)

Reason4444 said:
I think it's able to play till 480p res. videos even no exist video acceleration or drivers... It's powered by brute cpu force with snapdragon to process vid. codecs IMO...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which means that when a device from another manufacturer like samsung or acer grabs the snapdragon we will cry with the results, right ?
And dont have me even mention tegra

rebecker said:
From HTC website: Video supported formats: .wmv, .asf, .mp4, .3gp, .3g2, .m4v, .avi
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Touch Diamond2 specs also mention .avi, but it's a half-truth. I use a Topaz ROM on my Touch HD and can't view regular DivX/XVid videos with anything built-in. Maybe the FullScreen Player from HTC Album (or Windows Media Player) here can play .avis with some weird codecs, but it's absolutely irrelevant to real-life scenarios.

vangrieg said:
Touch Diamond2 specs also mention .avi, but it's a half-truth. I use a Topaz ROM on my Touch HD and can't view regular DivX/XVid videos with anything built-in. Maybe the FullScreen Player from HTC Album (or Windows Media Player) here can play .avis with some weird codecs, but it's absolutely irrelevant to real-life scenarios.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've gone back to the stock rom on my hd, after an unfortunate incident with some muggers. But Coreplayer (ver 1.3.2) seems very adept at handling any native divx/xvid files

AshHD said:
I've gone back to the stock rom on my hd, after an unfortunate incident with some muggers. But Coreplayer (ver 1.3.2) seems very adept at handling any native divx/xvid files
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Then we probably have very different HDs because mine reminds me of the era of 200MHz HTC devices. Playback of unconverted is jerky with visibly very low FPS, dynamic scenes are more like slideshows than films, even with 700MB rips, 1.4GB ones are even worse. This is not to mention that CorePlayer doesn't support AC3 audio which means that half of the movies I have are mute. If this is called being "very adept at handling" then I don't know what isn't.
Stock ROMs are exactly the same in terms of video performance, the reason why I mentioned Topaz ROM is simply because that device boasts .avi support, which it is in fact lacking. That said, ".avi support" is pretty much a meaningless phrase since .avi is just a wrapper, there could be a full zoo of codecs inside.

firiel said:
Which means that when a device from another manufacturer like samsung or acer grabs the snapdragon we will cry with the results, right ?
And dont have me even mention tegra
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In what way do you imagine that these devices will be superior to the HD2 when it comes to video playback? If the HD2 can play back video at full screen resolution (800x480) with no dropped frames at all and support any wrapper or codec you might want, how much better can any other device really get? That (most likely) is what the HD2 running Coreplayer will deliver.
The only time there's likely to be an issue is if you expect to play back a high-definition (e.g. 1280x720) video downscaled to the screen resolution in real time. But, even if it's only for reasons of storage space, you'd probably want to downscale any clips like that to 800x480 resolution anyway.
It's possible that other devices (the ones that can use GPU acceleration when playing xvid and divx stuff) will offer better battery-life during video playback, I guess, but I doubt it'll be that big a margin.

Shasarak, it's not clear how the downscaling will work performance-wise without GPU support, and CorePlayer doesn't support AC3 sound. Not that I need to listen to AC3 on a phone, but I certainly have movies with it. So at this moment CorePlayer is definitely a mediocre solution as far as I'm concerned.

Shasharak,
Am not arguing that the device hopefully might be able to play, by CPU power 480p, but what about HTC not delivering for once again, what our money worth.
If u search for comparisons of omnia and any htc 528 based model, you will see great differences on video playback. This is unacceptable from me.
And what about gaming or 3d accelerated apps. We are getting to a new age of handheld devices, that should be (MUST BE) able to deliver video, web, audio and entertainment. And should do it with all their power.

vangrieg said:
Shasarak, it's not clear how the downscaling will work performance-wise without GPU support, and CorePlayer doesn't support AC3 sound. Not that I need to listen to AC3 on a phone, but I certainly have movies with it. So at this moment CorePlayer is definitely a mediocre solution as far as I'm concerned.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, as I say, I don't imagine anyone will want to downscale video on it anyway - HD video won't look any worse if it's downscaled off-line, and it will take up far less space on the memory card than the original HD file.
Coreplayer not supporting AC3 is a problem, I'll grant you. It's possible that Coreplayer version 2 will support it. If not, then you'll have to see if you can get TCPMP running on the Leo - I expect there will be a version that does.

firiel said:
Shasharak,
Am not arguing that the device hopefully might be able to play, by CPU power 480p, but what about HTC not delivering for once again, what our money worth.
If u search for comparisons of omnia and any htc 528 based model, you will see great differences on video playback. This is unacceptable from me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, but that's the point: you won't see those differences on the HD2. I own a Touch Pro2, so I understand how annoyed you are. But the difference with the HD2 is that the CPU is so powerful that it should be able to play back anything with a resolution of 800x480 or less without dropping any frames using the CPU alone - why would you care if it's using the CPU or the GPU if you can't see any difference in the playback? The Snapdragon CPU is nearly three times as powerful as the one in the TP2. Even without GPU acceleration it'll still work just fine.
firiel said:
And what about gaming or 3d accelerated apps. We are getting to a new age of handheld devices, that should be (MUST BE) able to deliver video, web, audio and entertainment. And should do it with all their power.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, we know from existing benchmarks that the Leo will deliver hardware-accelerated OpenGL ES, so that's a good start. On some 3D benchmarks it's more than 20 times as fast as a TP2. (I doubt there will be any 3D-accelerated apps for Windows Mobile, anyway - otherwise people who own cheaper, slower WinMo phones will buy them and then complain they can't run them. WinMo apps tend to be written for low-end hardware.) Web should be fine - especially once we have a version of FlashPlayer 10.1 which will be in beta before the end of the year. I wouldn't worry.

Shasarak said:
Well, as I say, I don't imagine anyone will want to downscale video on it anyway - HD video won't look any worse if it's downscaled off-line, and it will take up far less space on the memory card than the original HD file.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I, on the other hand, can't imagine why anyone would want to convert any videos to watch on the phone. I have a notebook with a 60GB SSD and some 1.16GHz processor - it's blazing fast for Office/internet use but it'll take forever to convert any videos. I also store files like videos on a network drive, so using the more powerful desktop is still slow. And I need to watch videos only occasionally - when going on a trip I can copy a movie or two to take with me on a plane. So space isn't a problem really while ability to watch unconverted video is.
In any case, there was a question you asked about how another device may be more powerful in video playback - I guess with proper driver support they can be, and there are use cases when this is important.

vangrieg said:
I, on the other hand, can't imagine why anyone would want to convert any videos to watch on the phone. I have a notebook with a 60GB SSD and some 1.16GHz processor - it's blazing fast for Office/internet use but it'll take forever to convert any videos. I also store files like videos on a network drive, so using the more powerful desktop is still slow. And I need to watch videos only occasionally - when going on a trip I can copy a movie or two to take with me on a plane. So space isn't a problem really while ability to watch unconverted video is.
In any case, there was a question you asked about how another device may be more powerful in video playback - I guess with proper driver support they can be, and there are use cases when this is important.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As a TP2 owner with a slow desktop PC I feel your pain, I really do. I'm simply pointing out that the HD2 won't suffer from this problem to anywhere near the extent that current-generation HTC phones do. My best guess is that no video clip that runs at 800x480 or lower will require conversion; it's only ones in higher resolutions that will. And the chances are that even your netbook wouldn't be able to play a 720p video smoothly, so what use is it to store the videos in hi-def format in the first place? You might as well download a lower-res version.
If you end having to convert something very occasionally then just leave it running on your desktop PC overnight - it's not that big a deal.
The key difference, here, is that a TP2 can't even get close to playing a 624x351 xvid clip without conversion, while the HD2 will play it perfectly. It'll play anything other than high definition clips perfectly without conversion - so there is exactly one use-case where GPU acceleration is relevant, and it's not an important one.

Shasarak said:
I'm simply pointing out that the HD2 won't suffer from this problem to anywhere near the extent that current-generation HTC phones do.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is most certainly true. I still bought HD even though I knew about these problems, but it's still an annoyance. HD2 will be better for sure.
Shasarak said:
And the chances are that even your netbook wouldn't be able to play a 720p video smoothly,
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's not a netbook, it's a "real" notebook, Thinkpad X300, but anyway - I don't watch movies on my computers - I use a network media server and a network player, they are streamed to my TV. So my phone is the only computer-like device that needs to be able to play videos, actually.
Shasarak said:
so what use is it to store the videos in hi-def format in the first place? You might as well download a lower-res version.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In fact, I try to avoid downloading HD videos whenever I can as I don't care for viewing them in high resolutions even though I have a large Full HD TV. The problem is only that low-res versions aren't always available, and increasingly so. It's not my preference but rather an unfortunate trend.

So you think that the snapdragon "RAW" is enough. Enough for what ? There are no limits for what to expect.
Should HTC, continue to ignore what GPU means, we should not. once again accept it It was like 2 years ago when I complained about my TC performance, without getting any answer. And now Samsung, on their first winmo device (omnia), has really better results, using the same processor. There will be tons of snapdragon devices, or even tegra powered (hopefully) soon enough.

If Qualcomm refuses to give the guys who write CorePlayer access to their intellectual property, that isn't altogether HTC's fault. Any software actually written by HTC does use GPU acceleration - there's a limit to the extent that they can be held responsible for the deficiencies of third party software.
firiel said:
So you think that the snapdragon "RAW" is enough. Enough for what ? There are no limits for what to expect.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I set down very precise limits in my prediction: CPU-only video decoding will (IMO) be adequate for all videos with a resolution of 800x480 or lower. Any video with higher resolution may require transcoding - but it obviously couldn't look any better than an 800x480 video if it's being played back on an 800x480 screen.

firiel said:
Should HTC, continue to ignore what GPU means, we should not. once again accept it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And how exactly should we "not accept it"? I am also pissed off at HTC, but I don't think we can do anything except buying something else, but there are also reasons not to (all of them very individual).
Shasarak said:
If Qualcomm refuses to give the guys who write CorePlayer access to their intellectual property, that isn't altogether HTC's fault.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True, with a BUT: they (HTC) could enable their software to play real-life video formats. Samsung's Touch Player does that. And a smaller "but": they could also provide generic driver that would provide DirectX/OpenGL interfaces for Qualcomm's quirky technologies. Both options would cost them money I guess, so they chose not to.

HTC HD2 Processor supports 720P Video !!

According to wikipedia
In 2009 HTC Corporation used QSD8250 1GHz chipset in the HTC HD2.[5] However, the Snapdragon's 720p High-Definition video decoding was disabled on the HTC HD2, because its operating system, Windows Mobile does not recognize HD video.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So anybody have idea how is it disabled ? If suppose WM 6.6 or WM 7.0 OS have HD video support and we install on HD2.
Question 1 : Is HD video decoding is disabled at CPU iteself by qualcomm or at HTC in bios or somthing sort off or is it due to OS/Kernel limitation ?
Question 2 : Can we play 720p videos if we rom update with HD Video supported WM 6.6/7 ?
I searched on here / google but didnt get the ans...
source:
wikipedia

New drivers might/could open up these possibilities on upcoming WM6.6-WM7 releases. However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
It would, however, be nice not having to re-encode the file before putting it on your phone. Still, it wouldn't be of much use without TV out imo.

BLAST3RR said:
However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
On the contrary, it would be very useful indeed: you could download and store just one version of the video for use on either a desktop PC or a phone, and no transcoding would be required, with consequent enormous savings in time and electricity.

BLAST3RR said:
New drivers might/could open up these possibilities on upcoming WM6.6-WM7 releases. However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
It would, however, be nice not having to re-encode the file before putting it on your phone. Still, it wouldn't be of much use without TV out imo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah i agree with you that its not wise to play 720 videos considering screen resolution and cpu / battery usage.
But what i will like , that if copy movies / videos at work I can watch while returning home in metro.
Or while journey in train etc i can copy videos from passengers (many are carrying notebooks for watching movies or mail on olong distance journeys) and play them on my HD2..
One more question considereing 1ghz processor is there any app for conevrting Videos from phone only....(I know video encoding is resource heavy task still.. ???)

I don't know about a movie cause most of full lenght movies ar in mkv and bigger than 4 gigs, and as far as i know ntfs file system is not supported by any phone. Although series episodes would be nice without conversation its just consumes a lot of time apart from downloadig.

file size is definately going to be an issue for most people here (imo), regardless of whether the device will play 720p or not.

Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.

yeah only x264 ones so where is the problem, standard 720p warez rels are x264

freyberry said:
Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is useless because the device resolution isnt great enough to fully appreciate the HD content.
Conversion is also an issue but as has been said x264 is supported.

Only in the right container and with the right conversion settings. 90% of all "warez" videos would have to be converted anyway...
...you want HTC to make the device even more expensive only to be able to play 10% of your illegally downloaded videos without conversion?
Ridiculous. As long as there's no HDMI out, 720p is completely useless, it only adds additional costs and efforts and delay to the release of the devices.

freyberry said:
Only in the right container and with the right conversion settings. 90% of all "warez" videos would have to be converted anyway...
...you want HTC to make the device even more expensive only to be able to play 10% of your illegally downloaded videos without conversion?
Ridiculous. As long as there's no HDMI out, 720p is completely useless, it only adds additional costs and efforts and delay to the release of the devices.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think it would be closer to 100% of peoples illegal downloads would be playable on the leo if its Snapdragon's 720p High-Definition video decoding was enabled.
But... not much point without bigger storage volume on the device.

I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.

freyberry said:
I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you are not seeing the bigger picture my friend!
pirates upload movies that have been converted for playback on whatever device already,... you would start to see 720p_HD2_Movie illegal downloads all over the place... this is what i mean

freyberry said:
I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What additional costs ??? considering Nexus 1 with snapdragon processor plays 720p vidoes then why HD2 can't ? Where the limitation is ?
and i know 720p videos playing on small resolution has no advantage but disadvantage at the cost of cpu and battery.. but i remebery the days i owned Sony erricson which supportd only 176X220 cannot play videos even 320x240 ... the videos has to exactly encoded at 176x220 resolution to play on it. tha was a pain as videos larger shared by frnds mobile will not play....

freyberry said:
Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The reason people don't "get" that statement is because it's WRONG. There is no reason at all to assume that 720p videos would require conversion under those circumstances. It simply isn't true that there is something special and unique about specific codecs that makes them suitable for hardware-accelerated playback while others are not: it's merely coincidence that certain hardware-accelerated applications happen to support only those codecs now. Even if it were the case that only H264 video could be played at 720p, that's the format that virtually all 720p video is already in! This has been argued out at some length in previous threads, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604437&highlight=720p&page=4
It's also simply not true that there is no point in playing 720p video on a 480p screen. There would be an enormous benefit in terms of convenience: you'd only have to download a single version of a file for desktop PC and phone use, and no transcoding would be needed.
freyberry said:
I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Even if that were the case (and, as already explained, it isn't - there's nothing magical about .mp4 that makes it easier to play back) conversion from one container format to another is hugely much faster and easier than converting between codecs and resolutions.
Incidentally, divx is not a container, anyway, it's a codec.

Of course all codecs can, in theory, be hardware accelerated. But there is no manufacturer that enables hardware acceleration for more than one codec. That's a cost and time issue and it's simply not going to happen anytime soon.
At the moment, there is absolutely no point in adding 720p playback capabilities to a phone without digital TV out.
And Shasarak, I'm really getting tired of all your false or unfounded statements, it really seems like you're trying to spread FUD. If you say things that you can't be sure about (like your statements about the availability of WM7 for example), then please tell people that it's your opinion. Otherwise, your statements are no better than lies.

freyberry said:
Of course all codecs can, in theory, be hardware accelerated. But there is no manufacturer that enables hardware acceleration for more than one codec.
There is absolutely no point in adding 720p playback capabilities to a phone without digital TV out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And again, wrong on all points. I explained why 720p playback would be useful in my last post: convenience. As for hardware acceleration of multiple codecs, are you not aware that there is a version of CorePlayer which runs with hardware acceleration on the Toshiba TG01? (Possibly also on the Acer NeoTouch, I'm not sure). The standard video player on Samsung phones also supports multiple formats with acceleration. Even HTCAlbum handles .mp4 and .3gp files using either of the codecs the HD2 camera can use, while Pocket Media Player handles .WMV's as well.

Coreplayer with hardware acceleration for ALL codecs? I believe it when I see it. Till then, you're simply wrong.
I wouldn't want HTC to spend time and money on that anyway, until they release a device with HDMI out. I want my devices earlier and cheaper. I think you're a minority, anyway

freyberry said:
Coreplayer with hardware acceleration for ALL codecs? I believe it when I see it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're just determined to make yourself look silly, aren't you? I've seen it. It was even briefly posted on this forum at one point before the Coreplayer writers requested that the thread be removed on the grounds that it was basically a warez thread - distributing copies of commercial software for free. Do some googling for "OEM CorePlayer" if you don't believe me. Of course it cannot legally be run on anything other than a TG01 (which ships with it) as only Toshiba have paid the money to Qualcomm to license Qualcomm intellectual property.

I'm so tired of all your unfounded claims. Link please or it didn't happen!
And as you realized yourself, it's a money issue. I do NOT want HTC to spend money (and time) on this useless feature.
Of course, as soon as they release a device with HDMI out, it'll be a different story.

Playing 1080p H.264

As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?

Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.

1080 on HD2? useless... nonsense
as kilrah said... forget it
but one point is not true u can run 1080p X264 movies smooth on a pc with 1.2Ghz Dual Core.. now comes the point! IF... u have a graficcard that supports VDPAU. so even a loosy GeForce 9400 can do that.
XBMC installing as OS. turn VPDAU on.. e voila. smooth HD movies.
on my mom's AsRock ION330 (Atom CPU) with ION GPU (Equal to GeForce 9400M). 1080p movie with x264 in MKV container run's smooth.
and CPU usage is at 12-40% depends on.
have fun

Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...

I'm not sure if you fully read my original question:
I don't want smooth playback, I know I can't have that,
but simply a way to view stills out of a large h.264 file.
I don't care if rendering one frame takes several seconds.
Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Since the video files are on my phone, I don't see how Remote
Desktop Mobile is going to help me. Or did I misunderstand
what you are saying?

Yes we did fully read... But do you really think a developer would spend time making a WM program to open and decode a format that no existing device could play?
It's actually something the WM port of vlc could do, if it hadn't been discontinued in 2006 before it could play h264... It had the same capabilities as on other platforms.
@jisin: Of course if you cheat with hardware acceleration But my example was meant to put things on the same level, as the HD2 has none.

Nobody is talking about a seperate program - at least I wasn't. I would think
any player capable of decoding h.264 should handle 1080p, at least in theory.
For example, I don't understand why CorePlayer has a limit at such an arbitrary
number built into it, otherwise it would probably work just fine for my purposes.
TCPMP is witchcraft, as far as I'm concerned, so I don't readily know why it
won't play HD videos.

AFAIK the profiles used to encode HD h.264 are different from the simple ones used for SD videos, and thus need explicit support. The difference between AVC and AVCHD.
For example in VLC, support for HD h.264 has only come last year, long after SD one. Before that, trying to read one would just give you a couple of crippled frames and crash the player.

Just to clarify, AVC and H.264 are the same, or rather AVC is part of H.264.
AVCHD is an extension of H.264/AVC. That's what you meant, right?
In any case, my videos are AVC and not AVCHD encoded.
I really don't see how decoding a higher definition variant of a video codec can
be any different from standard definition, other than the stress on the hardware
of course.

If not coreplayer, then I think nothing.

bayowar said:
As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.

I dont understand why you would want to try and view the image quality of a 1080p file on a 800 x 480 screen? It's never going to look any better than a similarly encoded 480p file. I would agree that it's handier to not have to re-encode files, but most 1080p files are downloaded as mkv anyway, which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.

Ad-james said:
which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You didn't get the point. He has a camcorder that doesn't have a screen. He wants to put its memory card in the HD2 and have a glimpse of what he just shot could have been like.
But yes, it would only allow checking framing if it took several seconds to load each frame, not much more...

WMP plays the sound, not the video, HTC Album came up with an error I think.
And yes, kilrah, that's exactly it. Should have mentioned that the camcorder
doesn't have a screen.

Shasarak said:
Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i think the main problem is the lake of drivers in windows mobile 6 series as hd2 processor is mentiond to support 720p videos at 30 frame /sec

kilrah said:
Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i think it depends on the codec and bitrate... i can run 1080p h.264 fine on my 1ghz athlon using coreavc

Is there any codec which make possible to view h.264 stream in windows media player?
I can get stream from my internet aceess box which are very smooth with CorePlayer but I would like to know if there is any codec which make it possible with the native multimedia player!
Thanks

i downloade ttansformers hd (1080p) from youtube and coreplayer played that completely O.K. but i couldn't got it to play almost most .mp4 ones. it plays some .mp4 but doesn't many. also plays raw 640x480 videos from my digital camera not smooth but acceptable.

Camcorder that doesnt have a screen???
720p dont play in hd2 forget about 1080, it cant handle the resolution or the bitrates.

I don't know why Microsoft/HTC didnt done things right.
I have HD2 dual boot with Android.
where WM unable to play 720P but Android on same HD2 play 1080 smooth and crisp with out any frame delay/skip.
I think Microsoft has to optimize there graphics driver to come at par with Android.
Thanks
Pawan

720p mkv files?

on my touch pro ive had no need for watchin super high res videos but with the hd2's screen i figure why not.
do free players support mkv files and do they actually play without stuttering?

I dunno about 720p files without studder but it might do it, depends on how well it was encoded.
On my Fuze I have played some MkV files on Coreplayer as well as FLAC and OGG without issues.

Easy answer - no.
If you want best quality, recode them to 800x480 MP4.
But if you're into series, the standard xvid versions already play beautifully.

double post, sorry...

I used Handbrake for encoding files into MKV and MP4 to play them in TCPMP. The best results i had with MKV, more sharp, more brighness and they´re running without breaks.

so for 800x480 what other video settings did you pick for mkv to have it play perfect? i got a bit of stutttering on the file i tried today

Sounds Interesting.

just use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112

Xvid is easier on the processor than H264 so you will get better results with it, just up the bitrate to 2Mbps+ and it'll look better than the the 750kbps H264, and it'll play faster as well.

CPU
did you know that even G4 Cpus cant handle 720p Perfectly!

also, there is absolutely no reason to watch a 1280×720 resolution file on a screen that is only 800x480.
it will give you no advantages visually.

no, but time advantages if it wasn't necessary to reencode the video ..

This phone should be able to handle 720P, I mean my old i8910 (600Mhz CPU, 256MB RAM, native DivX/Xvid support) could play most 720P I threw at it, so certainly the hardware isn't the main issue here...

m720p mkv's converted to mp4 using winmenc (and the audio sync fix to counteract the hd2's sync problem) and playing on windows media player looks great

hmm, do you have soo many 720p sources? i play normal tv shows and movies as divx or xvid DVD quality, and that plays perfectly....

brandi said:
hmm, do you have soo many 720p sources? i play normal tv shows and movies as divx or xvid DVD quality, and that plays perfectly....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No choice, some of us have moved to HD media for quite sometime already.

NZtechfreak said:
This phone should be able to handle 720P, I mean my old i8910 (600Mhz CPU, 256MB RAM, native DivX/Xvid support) could play most 720P I threw at it, so certainly the hardware isn't the main issue here...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hehe...for sure you can't play 720p mkvs on the i8910.

I have found the best video player for the HTC HD2

After searching for the best video player for the HD2, including trying CorePlayer (latest version) and the Smart Movie 4.0, I have finally come to the conclusion that the Mobile Window Media that comes with the HD2 is the best player.
Here are the reasons why.
1. Core Player cannot play the movie Transformers 2 that comes with the HD2 smoothly while the Mobile Window Media player can play it very smoothly.
2. Instead of paying for Core Player, use the money and buy the ImTOO MPEG encoder ultimate and convert the .VOB file in the DVD disc of your favorite movie and convert it to H.264/MPEG-4 video (*.mp4) with 800 x 480 resolution and 1500 bit rate and you will get a movie that is just like the Transformer movies that comes with the HTC HD2.

Hey mate,
Just FYI the Mobile Window Media player embedded uses hardware support for video playback. The Coreplayer has yet to do this so invariably it will suffer as a result..
Fantastic guide though...Thnx..
Don't forget an xda developer -projection has also posted a HTC HD encoder.
Not sure which of the two is better but still nice to know..

You can also use Handbrake (freeware) to convert directly from DVD to MP4 (m4v).

wineds said:
You can also use Handbrake (freeware) to convert directly from DVD to MP4 (m4v).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you gotta a link for that buddy?

shimmer401 said:
you gotta a link for that buddy?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have the link for you, buddy: http://tinyurl.com/22vk95r

wineds said:
You can also use Handbrake (freeware) to convert directly from DVD to MP4 (m4v).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hi bro,
can you share the handbrake settings that you are using for HD2?
Thanks!

Earthbrain said:
2. Instead of paying for Core Player, use the money and buy the ImTOO MPEG encoder ultimate and convert the .VOB file in the DVD disc of your favorite movie and convert it to H.264/MPEG-4 video (*.mp4) with 800 x 480 resolution and 1500 bit rate and you will get a movie that is just like the Transformer movies that comes with the HTC HD2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree...
Using the HTC encoder from these forums today took too long and the quality was sub-par. With this program you can choose the bit-rate and the quality is sensational..
++++1 to OP
Kudos mate

I really dislike re-coding my media library in advance of wanting to watch something on the go, and I find CorePlayer handles well with almost an XVID/Divx I drop it's way, at a very acceptable quality level.
It's my two biggest gripes with this machine:
1) Windows Media Player has such limited codec support.
2) HTC won't pay Qualcomm to allow other companies access to the drivers (I think that's the reason anyway).
Either way, it nearl put me off the HD2, until I felt reassured the 1GHz Snapdragon could make up for the lack of native support.
I used that encoder year's back for my Sony Ericcson, but again I'm not prepared to put that work in (not out of laziness, I just want to be ready to go at a moment's notice and not have to factor in half-an-hour per video - nor do I want to re-encode all of my thousands of media files )

Earthbrain said:
After searching for the best video player for the HD2, including trying CorePlayer (latest version) and the Smart Movie 4.0, I have finally come to the conclusion that the Mobile Window Media that comes with the HD2 is the best player.
Here are the reasons why.
1. Core Player cannot play the movie Transformers 2 that comes with the HD2 smoothly while the Mobile Window Media player can play it very smoothly.
2. Instead of paying for Core Player, use the money and buy the ImTOO MPEG encoder ultimate and convert the .VOB file in the DVD disc of your favorite movie and convert it to H.264/MPEG-4 video (*.mp4) with 800 x 480 resolution and 1500 bit rate and you will get a movie that is just like the Transformer movies that comes with the HTC HD2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what you got Transformers 2 with your HD2? what the Duck!!!
hahaha

I think that there is a big flaw in windows media player: it doesn't rememeber the position of the film. That means that if you close it the position is lost. I typically look the films in small parts, as logical in a mobile device. There is a plugin to solve this but it doesn't work.
This is not a problem in core player, but core player is a lot slower.

i use a divx player on my HD2 for all my movies - they play great.
Mike

ruffruff said:
hi bro,
can you share the handbrake settings that you are using for HD2?
Thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just use the iPhone/Ipod Touch preset. I think you can configure it for any output resolution you want though. The other great thing about Handbrake is that it can burn subtitles onto the video

hi
any body can send me link to download coreplayer for htc hd2 and divx player

Guys,
Try this out and let me know what you think about the video quality. I think it looks pretty damn good. This is the official DivX player - v0.94 (Released early 2010). The interface is very minimal but it definitely seems to be better than CorePlayer so far.
Please throw some quality high-res videos (800x480 and beyond) at it and post back.
If you guys can, it would be a good idea to throw in a few tests with Chainfire's D3D & OpenGL ES drivers.

If only WMP's "scale to fit" didn't cut off part of the video (we're talking resolutions that are LESS than 800x480).
That and the ridiculous audio lag on the HD2. I can't believe people can stand watching Transformers with that delay. Even from the very beginning where a fishing buoy is dropped into the water (and the splash is heard well after the impact, lol) all the mouths move well in advance of the words coming out.
It's preposterous. I'm holding out on the hope that Linux (accelerated) will eventually be the solution, in which case mplayer would be the "Best video player on the HD2" hands down.

thanks
thank you very much , any luck on team viewer for windows mobile version
any new software available for htc hd2
moreover, can i get advice that, whether video out is available on htc hd2

Confirmed!
This (DivX for WinMo v0.94) is MUCH better than CorePlayer. The video is very smooth, except for some very occasional freezing of the frames which is barely noticeable. I observed that only once though.
There is absolutely NO Audio lag. All my videos played fine except for one, but in this case, the audio played before the video randomly in some areas of the timeline.
I'm starting to wonder if this might be hardware accelerated.
@nagagaya: HD2 does not support TV-Out.

Woah, what a shock. I'll have to try this. I wonder when it was released, and for what devices...

curiousGeorge said:
Woah, what a shock. I'll have to try this. I wonder when it was released, and for what devices...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Going by the file date from within the cab, the release is as recent as 25-MAY-10!

Interesting... I tried it with three HQ DivX files, and they all stuttered and were jerky, compared to playing fine in TCMCP.
Ignoring playback, my general thoughts are:
+
I love the Video Browser - always wanted one of these (and would LOVE one as a Sense tab)
-
I wish the "Fullscreen" buttons etc were bigger.