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Comparison photos: Universal vs Canon 2 MPixel camera

Uploaded to a new thread cos they were screwing up another thread on a different topic...
The comparison camera: My 4 year-old Canon Ixus 300
This is how far behind the pace the Universal's camera is... :roll:

Lets be honest though, the universal isnt really marketed for having a great camera. Its good for taking quite snapshots, but if your are that serious about taking pictures, get a nokia N90 or a digital camera. Its not really the camera what is bad, its just the really bad, plastic lens what is.

Can your 4 year old Ixus make phone calls, browse the web, check your emails, listen to music, watch movies?!?!

I was going to post comparisons about how far behind my alienware laptop my Universal is when playing Halflife, but I couldn't get it to run on my Universal :lol:

lol - OK, don't take this out of context please.
Someone in another thread was curious about the camera's abilities,
so I posted these pics as an illustration, but they screwed up the other
thread so I moved them to a new one. (See? They're even screwing
up this one too! ) Maybe the pics are useful for people who are
curious about the Universal's camera.
The camera quality isn't the reason why someone would buy the
Universal (understatement of the year!), but people will be interested
to know just how good/bad it is. This thread is an objective
demonstration just for them. 8)

I carry a nice 3.2 MPx Casio Exilim S100 - small, loads of useful features and otherwise fills the camera niche. The Exec replaced my P900 + x50v setup. I now use the x50v for development testing.

No probs for me using the universal for photos!!
Sorry guys. I'm quite happy with my jasjar for photos (considering it ain't a dedicated digitl camera!!)

I'm sure that HTC could really put a better camera on the Universal and in all WM devices; the problem is that they don't care ....they have so much space that they can put the K750 i sonyericsson camera module :lol:

If you have a look at the first comparison shots at the top of the kitchen, the Universal shot is clearer than the canon shot, look at the clock on the stove, the universal shot is clearer, you can hardly read the canon pic.

Re: No probs for me using the universal for photos!!
mackaby007 said:
Sorry guys. I'm quite happy with my jasjar for photos (considering it ain't a dedicated digitl camera!!)
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woah!!!!!! this is realllllllyyyy gooooddd!!!!
I guess its built to handle outdoors really well!
@seal
the point is, they are taken at different resolutions....what you need to see in the comparison is, the color quality and richness....!
San

Yes you are right there.....

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@seal
the point is, they are taken at different resolutions....what you need
to see in the comparison is, the color quality and richness....!
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No no no!
Two of the pictures (the small ones) are taken at the same resolution
so that we can directly compare them! The Canon shot is a thumbnail.
Click on it to get the 640x480 version to match the 640x480 Universal
pic.

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SiliconS said:
dreamtheater39 said:
@seal
the point is, they are taken at different resolutions....what you need
to see in the comparison is, the color quality and richness....!
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No no no!
Two of the pictures (the small ones) are taken at the same resolution
so that we can directly compare them! The Canon shot is a thumbnail.
Click on it to get the 640x480 version to match the 640x480 Universal
pic.
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i think you just added the 640x480 version recently by editing your post didnt you??
we just had the 1280pic from the universal, and the 640pic from your canon....of course....until you edited it unless....there was a problem with my browser!
Cheers!
S

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to know just how good/bad it is. This thread is an objective
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If thats the case, then its alright. I dont like people dissin the device cos it doesn't take great pictures. No device on the market does what the jasjar can do, n i dare someone to argue with me on that
Sorry if we hijacked your thread.

can somebody post more pictures??? especially those taken with bad lighting conditions....
a couple pics in pitch dark, with the flash turned on...along with night mode on would be great too!
@universal
Noone would argue with you for sure you sure love your device!!!
San

universaldoc said:
.. No device on the market does what the jasjar can do, n i dare someone to argue with me on that
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Mate you should see the quality of pictures from the SE K750i they are really fantastic. Also the K750's battery lasts my wife 7 days and it is on 24hrs a day. So no competition for the JJ/Exec but makes you think

Like universaldoc wrote there is no other device like the universal, some phones might have a better camera but can they log into your computer on the other side of the world and fully control it..... The answer is clearly NO....... What is being said here is the Universal, despite its little problem, is a Phone/PDA in one that does is all. We will have better in the future but at this present time there is no comparison to anything Ericsson can make and that goes for in the future with Ericsson.

@seal, I know what is being said but not everyone wants all the features of the Universal. For me I still to use my PSP for videos over my Exec and I prefer the music reproduction of my Nokia 9500 (OGG) and Palm LifeDrive (DRM) over the Exec; the Exec music reproduction is very bass light.

I think that the camera is pretty ok with right settings...

@jah,
I agree that the camera is better on the SE K750i, probably the best after the Sharp V203SH.
But i just feel that it is rather unfair to diss the Universal based on the camera. As i have said before, if camera is a criteria for considering the universal, then i am speechless.
Just to make myself clear, i would have purchased the universal even if it did NOT have a camera

Pictures taken from the xperia camera

Hi,
Most of these are supposedly taken from the camera in Xperia... They look great for a 3.2 mega-pixel camera...
http://xperiancers.com/images/
Best regards.

I think only one picture was really taken with the Xperia X1.
You can flip the images and only one image has a comment which states that the picture was taken using the X1 camera.

Hmm... i think you may be right. Their main post led me to believe that most of them were, but i probably interpretted it wrong.

but the picture lineout looks cool with the movements and such

Yes quite cool and it's free to use: tiltViewer
By the way: Here you can find the photo taken with the Xperia X1 in higher resolution: click

Looks very good!

http://www.theunwired.net/?item=pre...nia-sony-ericsson-x1-camera-comparison-update

Rudegar said:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=pre...nia-sony-ericsson-x1-camera-comparison-update
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"With the Beta ROM, the house was more yellow then red but now, with the final ROM, the camera quality definitely improved and colors are right now." They say this for the i900... so hopefully we'll see further improvement in Xperia's final ROM.

The Omnia has a pretty decent photo quality for a mobile phone, but to be honest, the X1, Diamond and Touch Pro is really pathetic.
Let's see if the final ROM gives some improvement on this, but my hopes are not very high. (Fortunately, I don't need the camera anyways)
xmoo said:
Looks very good!
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Really?
But he also stated following:
An image shot using the camera on the Xperia X1 at the media preview event on Monday the 15th Sept 08. Bear in mind that this is in very low light, hence the motion blur.
So low light conditions are always difficult and of course especially for an inbuilt mobile phone camera.

foo said:
I think only one picture was really taken with the Xperia X1.
You can flip the images and only one image has a comment which states that the picture was taken using the X1 camera.
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Why you said that? There is not reason to believe these pictures weren't taken with the X1. Maybe you secretly wished to be bad.
The ones at the bottom OBVIOUSLY, were not. those the original art from Feb 10th 2008. All the others they HAVE text on the reverse but who cares it's just estupid effect of the creators of this viewer that is nice but just annoying. If I want to see a picture or download it I don't need all that tilting.

Well maybe you're right though I don't believe it.
You can also have a look at the flicker stream here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
The naming and the quality of the pictures is very different.
But okay, unfortunately they removed all EXIF otherwise it would have been easy to find out, but so I can only guess by indication.

Much better photos form X1
Lot of good photos taken using X1:-
http://www.wallpaper.com/interiors/london-design-festival-2008/2625
( in the bottom 3 GALLEYS)

The photo quality is better then I would have expected, though it can't compete with a compact camera, it shows a really decent quality for a smartphone.
Very nice

foo said:
The photo quality is better then I would have expected, though it can't compete with a compact camera, it shows a really decent quality for a smartphone.
Very nice
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And a compact camera can not compite the other features of the Xperia.
C'mon... we all know that.
In a positive way, I would compare these great pictures to the Touch Pro. Oranges and Oranges.

I kinda want to see a side by side of the X1 and the K790a/K800i. Judging by the pictures on all the sites the camera on the X1 appears to be far worse than those 2 year old handsets.

Yup, they are worse, worse than most current cameraphones (N95, N82, Innov8, Omnia, many other Sony models). You have to live with that with this phone, but at least they're serviceable enough in decent light conditions.

My camera on my wizard is covered by a skin right now so that goes to show you how much I care about a camera lol.

foo said:
The Omnia has a pretty decent photo quality for a mobile phone, but to be honest, the X1, Diamond and Touch Pro is really pathetic.
Let's see if the final ROM gives some improvement on this, but my hopes are not very high. (Fortunately, I don't need the camera anyways)
Really?
But he also stated following:
An image shot using the camera on the Xperia X1 at the media preview event on Monday the 15th Sept 08. Bear in mind that this is in very low light, hence the motion blur.
So low light conditions are always difficult and of course especially for an inbuilt mobile phone camera.
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I was comparing that with the Kaiser

foo said:
I think only one picture was really taken with the Xperia X1.
You can flip the images and only one image has a comment which states that the picture was taken using the X1 camera.
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does x1 have got cam

cihanleanne said:
does x1 have got cam
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That thread is from 2008.
And yes, the x1 has cam (1 front. 1 back)

x2 review handsets

on the xperia blog they say they have review handsets so soon we should see some reviews.
if u have a website or blog u may be able to get a review handset (u will have to send it back after review).
link:
http://xperiancers.com/2009/10/15/x2-review-samples-pitch-us-on-twitter/

according to there twitter page the review handsets will be sent out next week. so hopefully there will be a ton of reviews, pics and vids by next wednesday.

Please don't consider this a flame on this thread but they can keep their X2.
It will be obsolete in six months anyway with the way SE supports.

I got one coming (hopefully)

augie7107 said:
Please don't consider this a flame on this thread but they can keep their X2.
It will be obsolete in six months anyway with the way SE supports.
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I don't know about you, but the X2 has definitely not made the X1 obsolete for me.
There are so many hardware features that are missing on the X2 but were on the X1 such as the optical joystick, video call and a 3.5mm audio jack. The X1 is still the better phone IMO.
edit: Hmmmm, I just saw a hands-on and it did show both an optical joystick and a 3.5mm audio jack on the X2, I wonder why SE's website lists it as not having those two :/
Still no front camera though

gsgflash said:
I don't know about you, but the X2 has definitely not made the X1 obsolete for me.
There are so many hardware features that are missing on the X2 but were on the X1 such as the optical joystick, video call and a 3.5mm audio jack. The X1 is still the better phone IMO.
edit: Hmmmm, I just saw a hands-on and it did show both an optical joystick and a 3.5mm audio jack on the X2, I wonder why SE's website lists it as not having those two :/
Still no front camera though
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there is a front camera and video call on the x2 but SE employ retards that dont put the right information on there site.

if my x1 broke and I was offered a x2 under warrenty I'd take it
otherwise it's pretty meh imho

To be honest...I've gotten so used to the optical joystick, I couldn't forsee myself not having one anymore.
Best thing about the xperia, is the size, I hope the X2 doesn't blow up in size.

mrbkkt1 said:
To be honest...I've gotten so used to the optical joystick, I couldn't forsee myself not having one anymore.
Best thing about the xperia, is the size, I hope the X2 doesn't blow up in size.
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but there is optical one on X2!
As for size - just look in the web!
There are sizes on many sites!
Like GSMArena.
They're almost the same!

The X2 has a couple nice things that the X1 was missing. It certainly isn't a worthy upgrade, but I'd trade my X1 for an X2 tomorrow.

augie7107 said:
Please don't consider this a flame on this thread but they can keep their X2.
It will be obsolete in six months anyway with the way SE supports.
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It beca:me obsolete the very second they announced it ha the same ancient processor/specs...
Ganondolf said:
but SE employ retards that dont put the right information on there site.
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LOL!!!!!!
Unfortunatelly true...

do a comparison on gsmarena. X2 has stereo speakers, better camera, and imo a better keyboard layout, but it x1 has FM radio /w RDS and those cool LED lights.

taekimon said:
do a comparison on gsmarena. X2 has stereo speakers, better camera, and imo a better keyboard layout, but it x1 has FM radio /w RDS and those cool LED lights.
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And X2 has also cool lights.

doministry said:
And X2 has also cool lights.
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Not as cool though .
Also, I like how you pop up every time someone mentions that the X2 sucks, it's ugly, etc. .

orelsi said:
Not as cool though .
Also, I like how you pop up every time someone mentions that the X2 sucks, it's ugly, etc. .
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meh, I think the LED lights look better on the X2 than the X1. I think the X2 as a whole looks better than the X1, besides the keyboard.

emuneee said:
meh, I think the LED lights look better on the X2 than the X1. I think the X2 as a whole looks better than the X1, besides the keyboard.
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i have to agree about the leds, the x2 night rider style led effect is a lot better than the x1's 4 led flashing effect.

Ganondolf said:
i have to agree about the leds, the x2 night rider style led effect is a lot better than the x1's 4 led flashing effect.
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I prefer X1's placement despite the fact that talking cars are kinda cool lol.

orelsi said:
Also, I like how you pop up every time someone mentions that the X2 sucks, it's ugly, etc. .
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Well it's a positive version of your iPhone syndrome
I want X2 and I like it, that's it.

doministry said:
Well it's a positive version of your iPhone syndrome
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ROFL , touché...

there`s even a video review on the unwired: unboxing video X2. I would go for it.

The Camera Quality Thing...what´s your solution?

Hey folks!
I´m one of the most enthusiastic Streak user within us (coming from an HD2 ) and I´m loving my new phone...
BUT: As all of you surely know, the camera is a not-so-funny-joke compared to phones like the HD2. So after many months where nobody has talked about this, my question is: What are your solutions/workaraounds for better pictures?
I´ve just tried the obvious: camera360 & MagicHour. But no, it doesn´t make it much better.
Last but not least: Is there some hope e.g. for getting some better drivers? Hope dies last, I´m praying for some very kind devs with similar intentions

Hmmm everyone knows the Streak's camera is no great and I think this has to do with the camera module itself. Look at HTC's camera, they mostly suck especially in low light conditions and in video recording at night - till now even if there is a great amount of developpers working on htc phones, no one has successfully modded them. And to tell you the truth, considering that the Streak is not that popular for modders, chances are really really weak that someone will work on it.
I think Sony Ericsson X10/Arc/N8/Infuse/Mytouch4G Slide are among the best camera phone if I'm not mistaken.

Final5k said:
Hmmm everyone knows the Streak's camera is no great and I think this has to do with the camera module itself. Look at HTC's camera, they mostly suck especially in low light conditions and in video recording at night - till now even if there is a great amount of developpers working on htc phones, no one has successfully modded them. And to tell you the truth, considering that the Streak is not that popular for modders, chances are really really weak that someone will work on it.
I think Sony Ericsson X10/Arc/N8/Infuse/Mytouch4G Slide are among the best camera phone if I'm not mistaken.
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i also agree. sony ericsson and nokia always best in camera. i also own a streak 5. but my old nokia 6600 slide is 10times better quality photo thn streak though its only 3.2 MP.

I find the Streak's camera is perfect for quick shots, but prefer using my three-year old digital camera since its CCD sensor is larger than the one in the Streak.

With Camera360, the photos come out with a quality more pleasing to the eyes than the stock camera. It's ok to take photos if you are not picky about quality but don't expect jaw-dropping photos!
My fav camera phone goes definitely to the Nokia N8 and Sony Satio/X10 - they maybe a bit old, but when you take photos or videos, you can show them to everyone since the quality is high above than most smartphones!

I use a proper camera if I want to take proper photographs, the Streak is handy for the odd snapshot but it's a phone/tablet device, not a camera.

Yeah, my solution to poor phone cameras is to not use them. If the Streak didn't have a camera I wouldn't miss it.
Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA Premium App

try lg camera port.. work better than the original... thats "better", it doesnt work miracles though

djscopesofm said:
try lg camera port.. work better than the original... thats "better", it doesnt work miracles though
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May I ask you which LG port you mean? The one from this thread?

not 100% but that might be it

Best of Sony... is not really great..

First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition, though I really just want to point out about the display and camera. I moved on from the Note 3 to the Z1 (lost my Note 3, wanted a good phone with a good camera for a low price so I got an Xperia Z1), and here's what I've noticed.
Display:
Well, there's no other way to say it: for a flagship phone, the Z1's display isn't that great. Viewing angles are poor, and viewing it at even small angles puts a whitish hue over it that just doesn't look good. It might be good for privacy, but otherwise it's plain to see that they're using an inferior IPS tech than other manufacturers. The Note 3 or the Nexus 5's displays are clearly much better, and so is the one on the HTC One from early 2013. I've heard that the Z1 Compact finally has a great screen among Sony devices, so that's great, but I feel that many Sony fans are clearly ignorant of how much greener the grass in on the other side when it comes to displays.
Camera
To be honest, this is the biggest disappointment I've had with the Z1. I don't know if Sony was focusing purely on lossless zoom when adding the 20MP camera, but when it comes to resolved detail and visible noise, the Note 3's camera was better despite no fancy tech and standard sensor. Sure, it has a 13MP camera while the Z1 takes photos at 8MP after downsampling, but in general its photos are clearer and more detailed. I've tried taking 20MP pics, and they just do not come out as great as one would expect (if they focused on lossless zoom, even that hasn't worked out well in general outdoor photos), and Sony has basically squandered a nice opportunity.
But on the flip side, I love some things about the camera. It's fast to open (mainly thanks to the camera button), it's smooth, and is quick to change modes, which helped a lot on my weekend trip with my family.) I don't like that HDR isn't a dedicated mode and is simply a switch when you select 8MP photos in Manual, but other than that, it's pretty good overall. In fact, the quickness and the shutter button are what make me ignore the fact that in quality I've come down to a noticeably not-so-great-at-capturing-detail camera (the Note 3 took ages to select modes, open the camera app, and open pictures.)
That's something that's true in Sony's software overall: it's beautiful, sleek, and quick and responsive. I do miss some features from the Note 3 (Multi-Window, Smart Stay (extremely useful when you can't be bothered touching the screen to keep it awake), some camera modes, and the better multitasking (my Z1 is abysmal at holding apps in memory, and not because it's just 2GB of RAM.) It feels good to use, and that's a pretty good thing.
But again, the screen and camera have let me down considerably. Again, on the flip side, I love the phone's build (though it's a bit too bulky, but then it is waterproof), and things like the lanyard slot and camera button (conveniences manufacturers have forgotten in their quest to copy and follow Apple since the first iPhone arrived on the market).
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to. The pricing is great, though, but I kinda don't think I'd want to save a few bucks next time I want a phone, not unless Sony focuses on making the hardware more complete regarding awesomeness.
Sorry for the rant, and again, I wasn't bashing, overall I like my Z1, just don't love it (yet)!
P.S.: My Galaxy Gear is also now sitting idle, but I guess we can blame Samsung for making its watch incompatible with other devices. It's a useful watch, but not in use anymore. There is a hack to make it work with others, I tried it with the Z1, but most stuff just doesn't work. So I guess I'll buy Sony's smartwatch next. :silly:
P.P.S.: I hope KitKat comes soon. I like that Sony takes time to test its software, but with Samsung and HTC moving pretty quick with KitKat despite having heavy skins, and Samsung has even managed to not introduce any quirky bugs (they disabled third-party accessories, but an update over the weekend reversed that), I really want KitKat to come quick. I want wireless printing support (Samsung had this even before KitKat, one of the few reasons I appreciate Samsung's bloat sometimes, it has some useful features), and it might also solve the issue of lack of RAM on the Z1, even if only a little bit.

This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.

eclyptos said:
This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.
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It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)

addicted2088 said:
It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)
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Saturday Night? You should be in some club! ..ahah...just kidding...I know...I am really disappointed by the camera too....what I can surely said is that the problem of the camera quality is related to the Software, but I don't know if we will get better pictures. Many telling me that the Z1 make amazing pictures but mine is not fake and I still not get clear pictures like it should be. Full of Noise, and with Unlocked Bootloader get even worse.

I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to
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Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there

addicted2088 said:
First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition
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Uh huh.
My advice to you, since it appears you wrote this to practice the writing career you're hoping to have, is to consider other career options. You're not good at this.

learn to make the picture and you will find Z1 camera is great. all the comparatives with Note 3 and the other smartphones take Z1 on the top of Android world
display is very good. poor viewing angle are not a gap, but I can assume it is subjective.
when I watch photos and videos on Z1 display they are much nicer than on other displays.

kantk20111 said:
I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there
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Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.

A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.

Another "OMG Sony why did you do this to me" thread.
Sony rules!!

Shan89 said:
Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.
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I don't want to get in a fight about whose phone is better, but everyone's got different preferences in a phone. A lot of the points you mentioned are opinions, and really can't be said in a comparison.
The most 'quality' phone and 'ummatched feel' is extremely subjective.
The Z1 is no less in quality than the HTC One and has as premium materials.
The Moto X and Z1 compact both have better feel, just because they're smaller.
Z1's battery life has been much better for me than HTC One in my experience.
Headphone sound is exactly the same for me. Beats is a gimmick and just a equalizer preset which I can also set on my Z1.
I will admit the HTC One's speakers is miles ahead of the Z1's and the display is better.
Camera as well is a lot better in the Z1 in daylight, but I remember you're the guy who wrote that HTC One vs Z1 camera test and I don't want to get in a fight again about that, so I won't go there. HTC One's better in low light, but the Z1 isn't that bad either.
The Z1's camera has a ton more features as well that are pretty cool to play around with. Gimmicks? Sure, but they're still fun. Also the Z1's viewfinder is much smoother.
All front facing cameras suck equally and don't believe there's a 'best' front facing camera.
edit: Oh, also concerning updates: This is the first time HTC have actually done well with updates. We'll see a year from now how they treat HTC One users. One X and One X+ users are stuck with official 4.2 while the Xperia T, which came out around the same time+, just got updated to 4.3. Sony might be slower at giving updates but they support their phones longer.
See, I just refuted half of your points. Of course you will disagree with me, but that's what's great about Android: everyone has different preferences and different opinions on what's the best. The HTC One is a fantastic phone and is my number 2 after the Z1, but it's still not the best for me. Nothing wrong with that.

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A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.
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What exactly is gimmic ?
Ir blaster is very useful
Ois is very helpful in low light / movement or any other type of using the camera / 60 fps video is smooth as camera app on z1 and looks like you're looking thru the glass when watching an video / hdr video is awesome as well at low light , so is the zoe especially if you wanna take out some snaps after which are full sized , I forgot slow motion video as well which is fun tho.
Smart flash is very useful indeed and can take photos from 5cm in pitch black up to 10 meters , with the walls it can go even further
Stereo frontal speakers ...how is this a gimmic lol , anything you do on a phone sounds crazy good + loud + it hits you in the face.
Full metal body is always a good thing , it screams premium ...
Feel in the hand indeed is unmatched due metal + device shape
hdr mics pick up the sound you wouldn't believe that the phone is doing it.
I've forgot also talking via phone is unmatched as well , you get stereo sound + you can talk in super loud environment perfectly fine.
Headphones sound wouldn't be a gimmic as well lol ... Ppl just use that ...on daily bases ..
Software updates is definitely not an gimmic we all want fast and working updates ASAP ,which is not the case with the Sony , it's far from it.
Xda development for me personally is very important since I love to flash + the fact HTC one has about 9/10 times more development it's a must have for me.
The only gimmicky thing would be if you don't like the the BlinkFeed that'd be all which can be turned off.
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We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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lol
I had Xperia z1 , camera sucked , phone was too hot and screen is utter **** , so I changed to HTC one for the same stuff you wrote here!

Honestly I am huge fan of HTC but actually I do not brought HTC One, which was cheaper, just because there is no micro SD Slot, and when Apps to SD will be available on Z1, or even Apk on internal and Data on SD on Custom Roms, I will not have regrets to have Z1.

eclyptos said:
We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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Nah mate it ain't fight Lol. I was just pointing that there are devices which are quite more complete. Of course I can't think of anything else besides z1 that comes equal to m7 pretty much all devices lack design and quality which both z1 and htc have.
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eclyptos said:
We have to open a thread " [MENTION=3721363 [user=4914682]@Shan89[/user][/MENTION] VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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No more fighting lol, just 2 guys who really love their phones alot . For me the HTC One and Z1 will always be the top of Android, with Samsung, LG and the rest way below. Sony and HTC have style along with awesome hardware.
edit: @Shan89 beat me to it

Came from the GSIII and this phone blows it out of the water, so I'm happy.
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I came from htc one to z1 for reasons like low battery camera quality purple tint issue and worst of all its easily breakable body which produced dents on a simple fall
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Shan89 said:
HTC has the best software updates "ATM" and fastest after Google.
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Coming from a T-Mobile HTC One S and being left hangin' with no further updates from 4.1 Jellbean...I jumped off their bandwagon and upgraded to the Sony Xperia Z1S.
I'm glad that HTC is finally wiling to support their top tier products, but a bit too late for me...HTC lost in my book.
The clear winner (for me) is Sony! :good: