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Will I upgrade to an X2? HECK NO! and this is why...

First off let me say I had been a loyal SE fan for years since I bought my first t68. I have owned dozens of phones since then over the years and have purchased every p series phone (except the p1) as my needs increased. I still own many of these phones.
I bought an X1 and I got one of those infamous week 44 X1 models. I use it to keep on top of my emails and keeping in touch with clients, GPS etc. as I am not always near a computer. I was very happy with it and even convinced several of my colleagues to get an X1, half of whom have started having issues with their phones (that's another story).
My case finally cracked after 8 months despite me taking extra care of it. So I contacted X1 dedicated service. They told me to contact my point of sale first (defeats the purpose of being dedicated service). So I did that, got a service order number and sent my phone in by post to the service repair place and got it back in around 10 days. Now this was just before I went to London for a business trip and I should have taken a closer look at the phone. When I arrived in London, I noticed that there was a chunk missing from chrome part of the chassis itself. This was where someone would insert a tool to open the case or something. I was pissed! How can you send a phone back damaged to a customer? To add insult to injury the GPS refused to connect to a satellite!!! I resorted to using paper maps, something I wanted to avoid, oh well...
After getting back from London, I contact X1 dedicated service again, this time no reply from them. So I write to the general SE supports describing the events. After a good part of a week, I get a reply telling me to contact the point of sale again. So after a week as I was too busy I again contact my point of sale, get a repair order and send it in to the service depot. The very next day somebody from SE calls me (he wont give me a direct number or email to reply btw) and says, send it to us and we we will ship you a new phone. I told him the service depot has it and to contact them. The service depot contacts me saying they have fixed my phone and are going to send it back. Next day same dude from SE says they told the service depot to send it back to them so they can send me a new phone.
So finally at the end of the week same guy from SE calls and says he has shipping confirmation from DHL and I will have my phone on Monday. So, seeing as I deal with DHL a lot, they always show up first thing in the morning. So I stayed home and waited on Monday morning and thought to myself I can do my stuff in the afternoon, after lunch still no DHL! I have to write to the general SE email as that guy refused to give his email or number, and have to wait again! After 4pm, he says by email "sorry for the confusion but it was sent by regular post" and then gives me a tracking number. The parcel was scanned in 2 hours before he emailed me, it was never sent on Friday. How could he even say that he has shipment confirmation when he it has clearly not even been sent out on Friday??? Thanks for wasting my entire day, I waited for DHL getting pissed at DHL when it wasn't even sent via DHL! Does it stop here? Nope!
I tracked the package and went personally to the post office depot the next day and picked it up myself as I did not want to wait yet another day for it to arrive. So what did I get in the mail? An X1 alright... a WEEK 40 model and it had greasy finger prints on it, it had dust and fuzz in every crevice and even in the headphone jack which also had scratches in and around it! Further more I checked the service info and it has several hours of incoming and outgoing calls shown. New phone my ass! This phone is refurbished! Lie after lie in this situation!
DEDICATED SERVICE? To what, dedicate yourselves to screwing people over? The X1 is supposed to be a flagship model and it carries the price tag with it, I deserved better than this! I scoured the net and I am not the only one who got a refurb despite being "promised" a new phone after similar issues.
Shame on you Sony Ericsson! You have lost a loyal fan and I will tell everyone who asks me if they should get the X2 to steer clear of SE and share my experiences with them.
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I feel your pain brother! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522017&highlight=mein
Can you recommend a new phone for me or something then? is the Touch Pro 2 good?
because i mean the X2 has exclusitivity with vodafone... and i have just had endless problems with both.
But i can honestly say the x2 does look like a very good device, they've clearly changed a lot over the x1 and i am actually considering getting it :S
But its just their lack of support that deters me...
and after reading your story, i mean, they literally lied to you and thats just not on.

hinata76 said:
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Silence noob! If you don't have anything constructive to say, sod off!
comeradealexi said:
I feel your pain brother! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522017&highlight=mein
Can you recommend a new phone for me or something then? is the Touch Pro 2 good?
because i mean the X2 has exclusitivity with vodafone... and i have just had endless problems with both.
But i can honestly say the x2 does look like a very good device, they've clearly changed a lot over the x1 and i am actually considering getting it :S
But its just their lack of support that deters me...
and after reading your story, i mean, they literally lied to you and thats just not on.
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I see they lied to you as well, must be standard protocol or something... shame shame SE (although in your case it was Voda?).
I am looking at HTC right now, but seeing as the X1 was built by them I am wondering about that as well... LOL! Not sure what to pick. I will take my time and just wait to see what hits the market. The X10 will surely prompt the other guys to make one with a faster processor as well. We will have to see...

mtechfan said:
Silence noob! If you don't have anything constructive to say, sod off!
I see they lied to you as well, must be standard protocol or something... shame shame SE.
I am looking at HTC right now, but seeing as the X1 was built by them I am wondering about that as well... LOL! Not sure what to pick. I will take my time and just wait to see what hits the market. The X10 will surely prompt the other guys to make one with a faster processor as well. We will have to see...
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Yea - i hate to say it though but the X2 looks like one of the best 6.5 devices out there :S

comeradealexi said:
Yea - i hate to say it though but the X2 looks like one of the best 6.5 devices out there :S
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True, but that could be because they are competing in a smaller market now. All the other players are going over to Android. Which again SE will join late in the game.

Didn't read the whole text but, there are two main reasons for me:
1. Same hardware/specs as X1.
2. No XDA support, therefore no custom ROMs from here.
It's like having an X1 with no XDA community behind it.

why don't you take some photos of the "new" phone they sent you and post them here then email SE with the link to this thread?
i'm not getting an X2 also as i lost faith in SE "i need a flexcable for my X1 and it was out of stock in the entire country and could be found only in one place which is so expensive!", plus no XDA-Developers Support.

Meh not to mention SE's super slow due on new phones... the X1 took one whole year that's one screw up management... By the time X2 and X10 out everyone else beat it by miles, at that time only sore pitty SE fan like me will still go after them for double the price of other competitor models which already considerbly 'old' at that time... SE lost money for a reason not mainly because of the global economic downturn...

anaadoul said:
why don't you take some photos of the "new" phone they sent you and post them here then email SE with the link to this thread?
i'm not getting an X2 also as i lost faith in SE "i need a flexcable for my X1 and it was out of stock in the entire country and could be found only in one place which is so expensive!", plus no XDA-Developers Support.
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I could take pictures, but it was a dirty older phone. As it sits it just looks like another used X1. However...
Here is a picture of the damage when it was returned (after being repaired) the first time.
SE has a copy of this picture, I sent to them when I made the first complaint-

i bet many of us on xda have at somepoint had each others phones since SE seems to be sending out damaged ones that got sent back

comeradealexi said:
i bet many of us on xda have at somepoint had each others phones since SE seems to be sending out damaged ones that got sent back
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LOL! You know... that is a very strong possibility...

Heres my story,
I had my x1 for 7 months (and I never dropped it), in this time the surface of the D-Pad came off in some places even though i havent used it to often. well... than came the basic crack in the case and I brought it to my phone provider, they said they will send it to SE and SE will fix it. they gave me an white W200i as replacement -.-. x1 came back 2 weeks later with a new case but D-Pad and batterycover not replaced. i told the guys to replace it but they just didn't do it.
But somehow i can't be mad @ SE and if i had the money i would buy the x2 right when it comes out.

austrianX1user said:
Heres my story,
I had my x1 for 7 months (and I never dropped it), in this time the surface of the D-Pad came off in some places even though i havent used it to often. well... than came the basic crack in the case and I brought it to my phone provider, they said they will send it to SE and SE will fix it. they gave me an white W200i as replacement -.-. x1 came back 2 weeks later with a new case but D-Pad and batterycover not replaced. i told the guys to replace it but they just didn't do it.
But somehow i can't be mad @ SE and if i had the money i would buy the x2 right when it comes out.
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Yeah, the dpad area of mine was chipped away as well.
If you cant be mad at someone for not doing something you asked them to do, you must be very forgiving.

Hi
Even though, I haven't had a single crack so far, I have several scratches on the battery cover. I'm confident that one day I will have to send my phone for replacement (or just buy a new cover) because of breakage in the housing. This very day I will order another Sony Ericsson phone - either X2 or X10 or XXX (no pun ). Although I'm disappointed of the support @ SE, I really like their phones - Xperia is the first phone I could have complaints for. To be honest - I can't blame SE for a single failure till now - therefore I still believe in them and I'd buy their phones in future. Of course, my patience is not endless, but for now they still have a true fan.
Cheers

X1 built by HTC, what about X2?
Hi guys,
As far as I know the X1 was built by HTC (hence being here at XDA), with SE only doing the software touches.
I've had SE phones for years (P-series, and also the K-series ones for camera.) I went for the X1 because I wanted to use my phone more for web, email, etc. and because of my experience with SE.
To date I've been lucky. The only problem I've had with the phone is a crack on the chrome plastic from where I dropped it but I'd be concerned about going for the X2 given the X1 build quality issues.
Do we know if SE or HTC are building the X2? If its SE then it might have better build quality, if its HTC then it could be the X1 all over again! HTC have a history of producing excellent phone functionality but questionable build quality and I do wonder if the X1 has just fallen foul of that... if X2 is made by SE then it could be a good, reliable and well built piece of kit!

emuX said:
Hi guys,
As far as I know the X1 was built by HTC (hence being here at XDA), with SE only doing the software touches.
I've had SE phones for years (P-series, and also the K-series ones for camera.) I went for the X1 because I wanted to use my phone more for web, email, etc. and because of my experience with SE.
To date I've been lucky. The only problem I've had with the phone is a crack on the chrome plastic from where I dropped it but I'd be concerned about going for the X2 given the X1 build quality issues.
Do we know if SE or HTC are building the X2? If its SE then it might have better build quality, if its HTC then it could be the X1 all over again! HTC have a history of producing excellent phone functionality but questionable build quality and I do wonder if the X1 has just fallen foul of that... if X2 is made by SE then it could be a good, reliable and well built piece of kit!
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built by a side company of foxconn. so build quality should be very good.
put foxconn on wikipedia and u will see they make a lot of famous top end products,

Even i had(still having) a similar problem. My phone's screen stopped working. First i sent an e-mail to X1 support about this, no one replied (it has been 3 weeks now and still no reply), after that i tried calling on the X1 support no an no one picks it up. Then i searched for a service center near my place(the service center which i knew is now closed). I gave it to them, its been more than a week now and the phone is till with them and they say it will take 10 more days for the parts to arrive.

UPDATE:
I got a response my phone and email from the Customer Service Manager for this region.
On behalf of Sony Ericsson he apologized for the way that my case was handled and said that they take these kinds of issues very seriously etc.
As the replacement phone is working, they are not going to send me a new one. If this one fails we can address it then.
(I knew that was coming)
Will I buy another SE product again? We will see...

Two galaxy S's, different animals...

Hi Guys,
Just to say, I had my defective Galaxy S replaced recently (had only had it two weeks), however its becoming clear that the new one is much better in a few ways.
Although they look identical (are are setup exactly the same way), they behave differently in a few key ways.
First up, my battery life was pathetic on the first handset, I'd be lucky if it made it to the end of the day. With the new one, I can still have 65% to 70% left after the same useage and setup at the end of the day. Bad battery?
Second, I dont seem to get much lag now. Its still there under heavy use but nowhere near as bad as it was....maybe it was a bad install on the first one? Although I did factory reset it, and it was still the same.
Third, Kies now connects perfectly every time. This drove me nuts on the first handset, kies would sit at connecting while the MTP app rebooted itself over and over on the phone. I worked out through reading, and trial and error that it was the internal sd card that caused it. Or rather specific files on the sd card, format it and it would connect...install my apps and it wouldn't.
The new phone however doesn't care what apps are on it (installed everything that was on the first one), it just connects. I have checked the firmware rev and its the same as phone one. Wierd
Fourth, my recovery mode now works It would never work on the first phone. In the end this was the reason it got swapped.
The phone was acting a bit weird so I took it to a Samsung service point who said they would flatten it and flash new software, however when they tried the bootloader / recovery would not work. They then said that this was a fault and it would need to be sent back to Samsung to fix recovery mode, however the phone was still under DOA with the shop I brought it from so I took it there with a note from the service centre to back me up. Hence I now have a new phone, and recovery mode works.
So two phones owned with in two weeks, from the same shop....different beasts. Quality control anyone?
Just thought I'd share my experiences with you.
Pete.

Good to hear your up and running on a proper phone.
One thing people don't seem to get is that when it come to mass production/manufacturing, there are going to be units that get shipped that are defective.
Quality control cannot possibly check every unit 100%, most is done by the way of batch inspection ( a few units from each batch) to check for major/minor flaws.
This goes for all manufactured products. I bought a Sharp LCD TV a few years ago and when I got it home I noticed there were significant ghost images especially in dark scenes. I took it back and they told me that 1 in 5 of any TV is defective. I took home another one, same make and model, have had it for over two years and it is still crystal clear.
Once people realize this they will enjoy their products much more. Put them to the test, in store or at home and keep it if it's good, return it if it's not. If you are happy with a product other than a possible defect it makes no sense to exchange it for something else unless you go through a few and they all have defects then this indicates poor quality all together. If possible, go to a different location to make the exchange, it is possible for one store to get a whole bad batch.
This does not mean that there is no crap out there. No shortage of that for sure. That said, who can name ONE manufacturer, besides Ferrari, that puts out 100% non defective products. ;-)

Hey man, yeah I agree with most of what your saying. It just surprised me a little how the same product can differ, but I guess this goes some way to explaining the different opinions / problems people have on / with the same hardware.
I'm happy now because I think I've got a good one, but someone else may not be so lucky. The thing is I would never have known the difference, if I hadn't had it swapped out.
By the way, didn't Ferrari have to recall the 458 Italia recently for turning into a fireball?

hansonator said:
Good to hear your up and running on a proper phone.
One thing people don't seem to get is that when it come to mass production/manufacturing, there are going to be units that get shipped that are defective.
Quality control cannot possibly check every unit 100%, most is done by the way of batch inspection ( a few units from each batch) to check for major/minor flaws.
This goes for all manufactured products. I bought a Sharp LCD TV a few years ago and when I got it home I noticed there were significant ghost images especially in dark scenes. I took it back and they told me that 1 in 5 of any TV is defective. I took home another one, same make and model, have had it for over two years and it is still crystal clear.
Once people realize this they will enjoy their products much more. Put them to the test, in store or at home and keep it if it's good, return it if it's not. If you are happy with a product other than a possible defect it makes no sense to exchange it for something else unless you go through a few and they all have defects then this indicates poor quality all together. If possible, go to a different location to make the exchange, it is possible for one store to get a whole bad batch.
This does not mean that there is no crap out there. No shortage of that for sure. That said, who can name ONE manufacturer, besides Ferrari, that puts out 100% non defective products. ;-)
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Hate to say this but theres been a recall on a certain Ferrari (458 Italia) due to about 5 sudden engine fires , Seems they are infact too HOT to handle. Heaps of pics of them fire on google
So eh.. even Ferrari has problems
Also it seems that Samsung had enough of noobs flashing beta roms and bricking them so they disabled the recovery modes after the first batch of the device. I myself don't really care as they never advertisted the fact the device has a recovery mode but everyone else seem to think its their RIGHT to have that mode so I'm guessing theres heaps of demands for exchanges which is cloging up the repair centres/supply for legit problems.

Actually, bell Canada re-released the UGJH2 build for the i9000m with the spl fix which enables the the recovery/download mode.

madpete said:
So two phones owned with in two weeks, from the same shop....different beasts. Quality control anyone?
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Your previous phone might have had faulty hardware, but its more likely that it had a different (buggy) firmware.

LOL, did not hear about that. Well there you go. If a company that hand builds and rigorously tests every unit that it sells can put out duds then expect nothing from anybody.

hehe i know the feeling. my girlfriend and i both got a galaxy S in the same week from the same shop..
connecting to Kies was for her no probs at all..
for me: it was a total pain in the ass

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Actually, bell Canada re-released the UGJH2 build for the i9000m with the spl fix which enables the the recovery/download mode.
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Could you clarify what you mean by this? I have a liberated (unlocked) i9000m that I'm using with Fido, is this an update I could install?
Thanks.
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I've got 2 Galaxy S' here, one of them has a bluish tint, and the other one has a yellow tint. <_<

sturmeh said:
I've got 2 Galaxy S' here, one of them has a bluish tint, and the other one has a yellow tint. <_<
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I've had the exact same thing today. I saw the new Galaxy S from a friend, and it was way more bluish than my yellow display. Is this soft- or hardware related??

Any differences between the performance of these guys?
I'm very pleased with the 2nd handset I've got, curious now if its hardware or software....
I can appreciate now why some people have issues with what is a great phone.

I've just returned my Galaxy S due to a bad flash (caused by Kies crashing) and an inability to get into recovery mode. I've had a couple of Android phones and flashed software on them so I'm not a noob but nowhere near an expert. I took it to their approved repairer to be told that because they couldn't get recovery mode there was nothing they could do and I'd need to contact Samsung to arrange an exchange as the unit was obviously faulty.
I was annoyed with Samsung's response. First they said they'd organise an exchange (the phone's only 3 weeks old) and when no-one contacted me to organise I called them and they said they couldn't exchange and I'd need to take it to their approved repairers and get a job number. I explained their repairer wouldn't give me a job number as there was nothing they could do. Eventually I managed to speak to someone at Samsung who was organising a send-back bag to me so they could see for themselves there was a problem. Guess what, that was Wednesday and no bag arrived. I took the phone to the first approved repairer and asked them to send back to Samsung and deal with it.
I was told it would take about two weeks but that when it comes back not to expect the problem to be fixed as the work is normally subbed out to another company. The aftersales from Samsung is absolutely shocking to say the least and I've gone from recommending the phone to everyone I know to keeping my mouth shut or trying to push people in another direction.

Guess I was lucky I had a 28 day DOA then, that's not good. Sorry to hear that man, customer service is everything.

woutertichelaar said:
I've had the exact same thing today. I saw the new Galaxy S from a friend, and it was way more bluish than my yellow display. Is this soft- or hardware related??
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It is normal that happens during the manufacturing of the display

boogie71071 said:
The aftersales from Samsung is absolutely shocking to say the least and I've gone from recommending the phone to everyone I know to keeping my mouth shut or trying to push people in another direction.
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What country are you in?

Catalyst2012 said:
What country are you in?
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I'm in the UK.
As an update, had a call from Samsung today saying they'd reviewed my complaint and felt the service I'd received was shoddy and they'd push my repair/replacement along as quick as they can once they get the handset back (fingers crossed but not expecting miracles)

Loose power button? I bet you do!

I have a loose power button.
Turn your Venue pro upside down, and touch the power button. It wiggles and you can hear clacks of a loose button.
You won't hear it when its right side up because gravity is keeping it down.
It not a concern if you are some other person, but for me a $500 phone has to be flawless.
This issue only shows how poor the device is built without attention to details.
Can anyone else confirm?

Mine is fine...

Ditto.. Mine is tight as a drum.

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I have a loose power button.
Turn your Venue pro upside down, and touch the power button. It wiggles and you can hear clacks of a loose button.
You won't hear it when its right side up because gravity is keeping it down.
It not a concern if you are some other person, but for me a $500 phone has to be flawless.
This issue only shows how poor the device is built without attention to details.
Can anyone else confirm?
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Lemon is a loon!
=P

I seem to have a problem sometimes turning the device on

Man - why haven't you just returned the phone and moved on to something else? You are obviously very jaded - your posts took an extremely negative tone with the shipping delay fiasco (you went as far as to call people who said their phones shipped last week spammers that weren't telling the truth), and now you post issue after issue with the phone.
The phone could be perfect in every way (and its not) and you'd find a reason to hate it, it seems. Just return it, get something by someone that isn't Dell, and move on with your life...

My phone (still an engineering sample - Oak Brook called about it but haven't shipped it to me yet) has no problem with the power button - not loose or anything.

DeekoVB5 said:
Man - why haven't you just returned the phone and moved on to something else? You are obviously very jaded - your posts took an extremely negative tone with the shipping delay fiasco (you went as far as to call people who said their phones shipped last week spammers that weren't telling the truth), and now you post issue after issue with the phone.
The phone could be perfect in every way (and its not) and you'd find a reason to hate it, it seems. Just return it, get something by someone that isn't Dell, and move on with your life...
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Well, isn’t it nice to have someone on the other side of the fence? Don’t be surprised if your world isn’t always peachy. There will always be someone who’s more skeptical than the rest-especially when you’re paying more than $500 for a phone- it better be near perfect! Who wouldn't?
If you'll settle for a half-asses device, then fine. Many of us differ.

lemonspeakers said:
Well, isn’t it nice to have someone on the other side of the fence? Don’t be surprised if your world isn’t always peachy. There will always be someone who’s more skeptical than the rest-especially when you’re paying more than $500 for a phone- it better be near perfect! Who wouldn't?
If you'll settle for a half-asses device, then fine. Many of us differ.
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That's a cute speech; you may want to save it for someone to whom it better applies. This year I've purchased and either returned or sold within a few months a Motorola Droid, Samsung Epic 4G, Samsung Focus, and an HTC HD7 because they weren't good enough. The HD2 is the only one that lasted a decent amount of time. I have plenty high standards for my phones, and as I pointed out in my first post, the DVP is not perfect.
However, that all said, you've made it clear that you are jaded against Dell and this phone. I don't blame you - Dell managed this launch horribly. Lots of people are pissed about it. The difference is, they either canceled their orders or returned their phones. For some odd reason you'd rather just post negative after negative comment in thread after thread. If you don't like the phone - which you won't - just return it and get something else. Problem solved.

DeekoVB5 said:
That's a cute speech; you may want to save it for someone to whom it better applies. This year I've purchased and either returned or sold within a few months a Motorola Droid, Samsung Epic 4G, Samsung Focus, and an HTC HD7 because they weren't good enough. The HD2 is the only one that lasted a decent amount of time. I have plenty high standards for my phones, and as I pointed out in my first post, the DVP is not perfect.
However, that all said, you've made it clear that you are jaded against Dell and this phone. I don't blame you - Dell managed this launch horribly. Lots of people are pissed about it. The difference is, they either canceled their orders or returned their phones. For some odd reason you'd rather just post negative after negative comment in thread after thread. If you don't like the phone - which you won't - just return it and get something else. Problem solved.
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Leave Lemon alone!!! =P

Goodbye Asus! Can't say it was fun.

I've made a similar post a few weeks back but I thought I'd give this thing yet another try. Well...I'm done with the transformer. I believe this is the biggest piece of junk EVER made. Yes, I said EVER. I am currently on my 6th....read it again, 6th unit!
First 16gb model had a big bulge in the back. Took it back. Second was a 32gb and wifi died completely. Third had massive light bleed and rear panel clicked. 4th, again massive light bleed, so much so that around the edges, blue looked like gray as well as dust under the screen. 5th had a massive white blotch on the LCD to the left of center. Just picked up my 6th unit yesterday, and out of the box, a chip on top of the frame, dead pixel and firmware that doesn't update OTA. Installed update manually, but what if this is bought by someone who isn't well versed in android or computers in general and just wanted something to read books on??
Asus, are you serious with this thing. 6 units and you still can't get it right?? This is my first and I assure you, LAST asus product. Do you guys even have quality control at your factories? This is absolutely unacceptable. It's about a 30 min drive from where I live to where I bought this gigantic piece of crap. Asus, are you going to reimburse me for gasoline in these days where gas is more expensive than ever?
I am utterly disgusted with this product and in fact your company in general. Reminds me of the days when I went through 4 asus motherboards (each time, the fault was confirmed by a tech), and finally opted out for a Gigabyte which has been working flawlessly since day one.
I guess this is what we can expect when crap is built in China where workers cannot wait to finally finish their shift and go home.
Thanks Asus....for nothing. I'm wrapping this worthless piece of crap and exchanging it today for your competitor's product which for sure will NOT come with a damaged bezel. You are formally banned from my household.
And please people, spare me the "mine is fine" crap. Well..maybe YOURS is, but I've gone through 6. I should also add, that each time I was there I had to wait in line behind someone who was also returning theirs. The store admitted to me that qa on these things is THE worst they've seen yet, on any electronic device and so is the return rate.
Transformer = FAIL.

Was the package sealed?

Thanks for submitting a complaint to Asus Customer Care...wait that's right this is XDA. My TF is working great and Asus support has been awesome when I needed them. And the two Asus Mobos I've had work just as good as my TF going on 2 years now.
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And as far as the "this is what we can expect when things are made in china" - you better ditch nearly EVERYTHING electronic you own and not buy any tablet on the market considering they will all likely be mostly made in China.
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ROFL
May I suggest that you stop buying open box items? Order from somewhere that takes care of the product rather than a retail chain OR when you get it retail, OPEN THE BOX AND CHECK IT BEFORE YOU BUY.
This isn't the place for ranting about your own failure to use reason and logic.

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May I suggest that you stop buying open box items? Order from somewhere that takes care of the product rather than a retail chain OR when you get it retail, OPEN THE BOX AND CHECK IT BEFORE YOU BUY.
This isn't the place for ranting about your own failure to use reason and logic.
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This guy pretty much sumed up what I was going to say.

SndChsr said:
I've made a similar post a few weeks back but I thought I'd give this thing yet another try. Well...I'm done with the transformer. I believe this is the biggest piece of junk EVER made. Yes, I said EVER. I am currently on my 6th....read it again, 6th unit!
First 16gb model had a big bulge in the back. Took it back. Second was a 32gb and wifi died completely. Third had massive light bleed and rear panel clicked. 4th, again massive light bleed, so much so that around the edges, blue looked like gray as well as dust under the screen. 5th had a massive white blotch on the LCD to the left of center. Just picked up my 6th unit yesterday, and out of the box, a chip on top of the frame, dead pixel and firmware that doesn't update OTA. Installed update manually, but what if this is bought by someone who isn't well versed in android or computers in general and just wanted something to read books on??
Asus, are you serious with this thing. 6 units and you still can't get it right?? This is my first and I assure you, LAST asus product. Do you guys even have quality control at your factories? This is absolutely unacceptable. It's about a 30 min drive from where I live to where I bought this gigantic piece of crap. Asus, are you going to reimburse me for gasoline in these days where gas is more expensive than ever?
I am utterly disgusted with this product and in fact your company in general. Reminds me of the days when I went through 4 asus motherboards (each time, the fault was confirmed by a tech), and finally opted out for a Gigabyte which has been working flawlessly since day one.
I guess this is what we can expect when crap is built in China where workers cannot wait to finally finish their shift and go home.
Thanks Asus....for nothing. I'm wrapping this worthless piece of crap and exchanging it today for your competitor's product which for sure will NOT come with a damaged bezel. You are formally banned from my household.
And please people, spare me the "mine is fine" crap. Well..maybe YOURS is, but I've gone through 6. I should also add, that each time I was there I had to wait in line behind someone who was also returning theirs. The store admitted to me that qa on these things is THE worst they've seen yet, on any electronic device and so is the return rate.
Transformer = FAIL.
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SndChsr = FAIL
fixed that for you.
Seriously, you blame bezel damage on the manufacturer? What about UPS, FedEx, or DHL?
Also, I am a bit confused. In one paragraph you say:
This is my first and I assure you, LAST asus product.
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Now I can't trust anything you say. I am forced to assume that you work for Apple, Samsung, or Motorola.
I would guess Apple though, since clearly the TF is the greatest threat to the Ipad that Android tablets have going.

Seriously 6? I would have stopped on the 3rd. I'm already planning on galaxy tab 10.1 if this one breaks the same way the 1st one does.

Sorry to hear you have had such a hard time with your Transformer. My transformer has nothing wrong with it except for very small light bleed, and it is the first one I ordered. I love Asus products personally, I have always found them to be reliable. I have built about 50 computers with their motherboards, cd drives, and video cards and have never had a single one fail on me, my family, or my friends. Guess we are just lucky.
b1ackplague said:
And as far as the "this is what we can expect when things are made in china" - you better ditch nearly EVERYTHING electronic you own and not buy any tablet on the market considering they will all likely be mostly made in China.
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Hilarious, and spot on.

SndChsr said:
I've made a similar post a few weeks back but I thought I'd give this thing yet another try. Well...I'm done with the transformer. I believe this is the biggest piece of junk EVER made. Yes, I said EVER. I am currently on my 6th....read it again, 6th unit!
First 16gb model had a big bulge in the back. Took it back. Second was a 32gb and wifi died completely. Third had massive light bleed and rear panel clicked. 4th, again massive light bleed, so much so that around the edges, blue looked like gray as well as dust under the screen. 5th had a massive white blotch on the LCD to the left of center. Just picked up my 6th unit yesterday, and out of the box, a chip on top of the frame, dead pixel and firmware that doesn't update OTA. Installed update manually, but what if this is bought by someone who isn't well versed in android or computers in general and just wanted something to read books on??
Asus, are you serious with this thing. 6 units and you still can't get it right?? This is my first and I assure you, LAST asus product. Do you guys even have quality control at your factories? This is absolutely unacceptable. It's about a 30 min drive from where I live to where I bought this gigantic piece of crap. Asus, are you going to reimburse me for gasoline in these days where gas is more expensive than ever?
I am utterly disgusted with this product and in fact your company in general. Reminds me of the days when I went through 4 asus motherboards (each time, the fault was confirmed by a tech), and finally opted out for a Gigabyte which has been working flawlessly since day one.
I guess this is what we can expect when crap is built in China where workers cannot wait to finally finish their shift and go home.
Thanks Asus....for nothing. I'm wrapping this worthless piece of crap and exchanging it today for your competitor's product which for sure will NOT come with a damaged bezel. You are formally banned from my household.
And please people, spare me the "mine is fine" crap. Well..maybe YOURS is, but I've gone through 6. I should also add, that each time I was there I had to wait in line behind someone who was also returning theirs. The store admitted to me that qa on these things is THE worst they've seen yet, on any electronic device and so is the return rate.
Transformer = FAIL.
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The next time something like this happens to you, just be honest. Go back to the store and tell them, "Look, I've got a terrible case of buyer's remorse. Can I get a refund?" Better still, think carefully before you buy.

SndChsr said:
I've made a similar post a few weeks back but I thought I'd give this thing yet another try.
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What thing are you giving another try honestly? Trying to bash the transformer in the place where everyone loves the transformer!? Seriously take it up with asus as im sure most people in here don't care and don't want to hear about it. If we wanted to hear about this we would look under your first post, we don't need you reminding us that you suck at buying products and cluttering up the forum.

All I can say is the same as many others. I ordered mine from Tigerdirect, and aside from some small amounts of light bleed, I haven't had a single problem with mine. If you don't like a product, fine. I guess the first question is, why would you go back to a brick and mortar store multiple times to get a product replaced? Especially when almost every single issue you pointed out was rather prevalent in the first batch or so of the product? My guess is that you went back a number of times and got first batch products that all ended up having problems.
My suggestion, buy an apple ipad 2. Better to let you join all the other morons over there than stay here and complain. All I can say is that I hope you get an Ipad 2 that has problems as well, so you can just complain to Apple (who won't care at all).

Hm im still on my first one and no problems here other than a stuck pixel which I fixed and a dust trapped on top of the S on Asus top left of ybe screen but not on the screen itself. Sucks you had a bad experience this machine is a beast im even keeping it stock (for now) because everything is running so smooth and im experiencing no lag. Anyways i dont think you needed to make a thread bashing it I hope your next tablet sucks too
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All I can say is the same as many others. I ordered mine from Tigerdirect, and aside from some small amounts of light bleed, I haven't had a single problem with mine. If you don't like a product, fine. I guess the first question is, why would you go back to a brick and mortar store multiple times to get a product replaced? Especially when almost every single issue you pointed out was rather prevalent in the first batch or so of the product? My guess is that you went back a number of times and got first batch products that all ended up having problems.
My suggestion, buy an apple ipad 2. Better to let you join all the other morons over there than stay here and complain. All I can say is that I hope you get an Ipad 2 that has problems as well, so you can just complain to Apple (who won't care at all).
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yeah , I completely agree with darkhawkff, why would you go back and forth six times to the same store, it could be that just completely wrecked the whole shipment themselve somehow . I got mine from tigerdirect too and the only problem i had was a littlest light bleed. Just stop complaining about your experience with 6 returns because i highly doubt anyone cares about your opinion of the TF and asus while we are on xda on our own TF that may have a little problems but we deal with it.

LMAO... Sounds like someone needs a hug?
I have a VS GTab AND the TF 101. Both have "issues". While I see that HC is still needing improvement, I am happy to go with the flow and see and be a part of the developement. I mean, come on, it is a sub $500.00 device. I think you would be better off with an iFad. Thanks for stopping by!

You, sir, have just made my Sunday evening Great work!

Meh. Find everybody that had a similar experience to yours, and it turns out you can't buy anything. Since we are here, my experience with Nokia reminds yours. Everything cool with cellphones, a mess with smartphones. 7650, power button stopped working. 3650, spent most time getting reflashed in assistance because it killed itself several times and the build quality was really poor.
Asus actually shared a factory with Apple, they made MacBooks, and there is nothing wrong with those.
Plus, as already mentioned, everything is made in China, even Apple (and people around here can fanboy as much as they like, but build quality is great) so that argument is quite weak.
I'm not telling you to get another TF, or to trust Asus again. But every company has somebody as happy as you... just that
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sorry for your 6 bad units, mine has been solid since day 1. I own both the dock and TF and no issues like that on this end. Maybe your just that guy.
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Your a glutton for punishment I'd of quit on the second if I went that far. . Where did you find 6 of them at a brick and mortar store? Probably Frys ..if you bought anything there you were on your own anyway.
Mines great (only bought 1) I love it more every day.
Go home....... Asus doesn't live here.

Why people whine so much is beyond me. If you don't like it take it back. Get something else no one cares it's not like it is ours.
But with all due respect not that any is due after that post ...don't whine.

Jelly effect on all phones?

I love this phone but am very aware and ocd about how a phone works and I do have the scrolling problem. If it's an issue that's with all phones, not just ones "who can see it"...but if it's all phones, I may just try to get adjusted to it. If it can or will be corrected, I want to send the phone back in the 15 day period.
Anyone have any idea if this will just continue with this phone or will be corrected? Or if sending back and re-buying, I have a chance of getting one where it doesn't happen?

This is gambling i think. You can get one which is not affected, but also you can get one which is more affected, than yours now. I'll also send back the phone for replacement if it's not fixed in my 15 day period. I love this phone, really.... Everything is awesome, but this jelly thing :/
EDIT: Manufacture date: 12th June, panel is s6e3fa5

Will they "replace" it? They say it's normal....not a defect.

I asked support for a replacement two days ago and they told me the only thing they can do is refunding. I guess adjusting to it won't be that hard after all.

All phones are affected returning won't do you any good. There won't be any update to fix the issue, its a design choice.
You have 2 choices:
Refund
Keep the device and live with the jelly

Kirahvi said:
All phones are affected returning won't do you any good. There won't be any update to fix the issue, its a design choice.
You have 2 choices:
Refund
Keep the device and live with the jelly
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Even if you underline words, they aren't always true. I saw a couple of videos, someone's phone is falling apart by this effect, but i've seen videos where the user's display has zero jelly effect. So no, not everybody has it.

True. I don't have it AT ALL, and there is nothing wrong with my eyes. I have seen for myself devices that suffer from it. Mine doesn't

Well... unlike you I happen to have some evidence to support my underlined claims.
https://www.xda-developers.com/conf...ay-upside-down-likely-reason-jelly-scrolling/

+1 I don't have it. My was produced on 9th of June. 8/128 #nojello

It depends, someone has a strong jello effect, someone has none/little to none. Mine has but it's almost nothing. And 1+ can't fix this, since this is their design choice. How do you people find the manufacture dates of your phones?
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nvm, found it. It's on the sticker at the back of the box. Mine is 2017.06.07, 6GB/64GB

david19au said:
It depends, someone has a strong jello effect, someone has none/little to none. Mine has but it's almost nothing. And 1+ can't fix this, since this is their design choice. How do you people find the manufacture dates of your phones?
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selling box

This reminds me of the iPhone "antennagate", where many reported bad reception due to manufacturers defects. I had that iPhone and mine was fine. Turned out to be isolated, not overall problem.
I don't have the OP5, but am considering it, so interested in discussion.
IF I did own it, don't know if I would return it.
The way OP is handling it is poor. They could learn from Steve Jobs. He was a master at dealing with this type of situation.
BTW, I own a Le Eco Pro 3 phone. Another Chinese company crashing and withdrawing from US, despite well priced, great hardware phones.
This is a complex, tough business.

I've tried everything to reproduce this effect, to no avail. Unfortunately, my phone is perfect to my eyes. Well, I do notice the slight stutter when I scroll very fast. I can more than live with that for the specs I'm getting. Honestly, I don't even care.
I feel badly for the people affected by this issue. Such a great phone and it's really a shame that they can't enjoy it like most of us.

bramgoodwin said:
This reminds me of the iPhone "antennagate", where many reported bad reception due to manufacturers defects. I had that iPhone and mine was fine. Turned out to be isolated, not overall problem.
I don't have the OP5, but am considering it, so interested in discussion.
IF I did own it, don't know if I would return it.
The way OP is handling it is poor. They could learn from Steve Jobs. He was a master at dealing with this type of situation.
BTW, I own a Le Eco Pro 3 phone. Another Chinese company crashing and withdrawing from US, despite well priced, great hardware phones.
This is a complex, tough business.
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No business is tough if know when to scale the business up and how.
Oneplus, I think, got too greedy and scaled up too quickly while their QA and After-sales departments couldn't keep up with the pace.
Oneplus is acting like Apple/Samsung with their price raises and all but not following it with the QA/After-sales of those companies. They simply can't. They just aren't there yet.
If this phone would be priced, say, $75 less than what it is, I would happily live with it despite some QA issues like the minor, barely noticeable, jelly effect that I have. I would even stand in queue and wait for an invite according to the invitation system they had in place during their early years.
At $540, I'm sorry, I would 'Never Settle'. I'm more demanding at that price. LG G6 is available for cheaper and that too is a very good phone.

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No business is tough if know when to scale the business up and how.
Oneplus, I think, got too greedy and scaled up too quickly while their QA and After-sales departments couldn't keep up with the pace.
Oneplus is acting like Apple/Samsung with their price raises and all but not following it with the QA/After-sales of those companies. They simply can't. They just aren't there yet.
If this phone would be priced, say, $75 less than what it is, I would happily live with it despite some QA issues like the minor, barely noticeable, jelly effect that I have. I would even stand in queue and wait for an invite according to the invitation system they had in place during their early years.
At $540, I'm sorry, I would 'Never Settle'. I'm more demanding at that price. LG G6 is available for cheaper and that too is a very good phone.
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Agree, bought my LeEco Pro 3 for $249, following your logic.
Look, US market is so lucrative, Chinese MFG see it as gold. But, its one thing to produce a good phone, very different ongoing development and service.
Le Eco was similar with big slogans, but couldn’t even sustain for 6 months in US.
Still great market for $399 phone, but can they make a profit so development investments can continue?
Interesting to see what happens.

I have a little jelly effect.
its noticeable when i see minutely.
Will this kind of issue be increased by regular usage or it will be like that...forever unless oneplus provide some update.
If it stays that way... then i am fine as its barely noticeable but it improvise over time then its a big issue.
My phone manufacturing date is 16 Jun 2017

bramgoodwin said:
Agree, bought my LeEco Pro 3 for $249, following your logic.
Look, US market is so lucrative, Chinese MFG see it as gold. But, its one thing to produce a good phone, very different ongoing development and service.
Le Eco was similar with big slogans, but couldn’t even sustain for 6 months in US.
Still great market for $399 phone, but can they make a profit so development investments can continue?
Interesting to see what happens.
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The kinda business model Oneplus has, they don't even need much R&D. The dev community does it all for them without any cost.
They give pretty much stock android. So not much R&D there.
Camera module is also bought from others so they can as well buy the processing algorithms.
Rest all components like GPS, NFC, Display etc. are bought out-of-the-house and Oneplus simply assembles them.
With this kinda business model you can't really go wrong if you just sort out your business funding, QA, and after-sales.
That's all you need and you'll get the sales to compensate for the lower price.
They seem to be deviating from their business model by the price raises and the QA/After-sales issues. Oneplus 5 suffers from the consequences of that deviation from the business model.

No jelly effect here. I got mine before they went on sale so I guess I'll say a got Lucky! Was considering leaving this phone before for the U11 but I can't stand HTC software. So I'll keep this rare "non-effective" device .
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No issue here. I got lucky. Really I have zero issues with this phone.

lopmig1 said:
No issue here. I got lucky. Really I have zero issues with this phone.
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qasq said:
+1 I don't have it. My was produced on 9th of June. 8/128 #nojello
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You, NoJello heroes keeping the hope in us. I really hope that my replacement won't have this issue. :good: