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I should install these applications in Main Memory or Storage Card?

I have installed HTC Kaizer Home Plugin, HTC X-Button, HTC Audio Manager, JUVS CommMgr6 button, reTouched Dialer, etc.
These applications I installed in the Storage Card.
I notice when i start my HTC Softbank X01HT, it become slower... until I have run most of the application, then only the speed become more stable.
So, I wondering I should install these applications into Main Memory or Storage Card? Will it be more stable if I install into Main Memory?

i just think that every app you installing tooks a small part of your hermes memory.... so as many startup application you have as you hermes will slow down

understand that.
what i worried is if i install those applications into storage card, it will load slower than if i install into the main memory.
will this happen?

wailoon said:
understand that.
what i worried is if i install those applications into storage card, it will load slower than if i install into the main memory.
will this happen?
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No, not really - except you turn off or soft reset your device entirely, then it takes a while until your pda read out all contens on SD card - other than that they load as fast as installing in the phone. I always install my apps on SD, except for system application, never had any problems.

It's my understanding that you should install programs that run on startup, like today plugins, into main memory.
This is so that if the programs are called to run before the storage card is initialized they are available.
I believe it was MikeChannon that said this...

intrglctcrevfnk said:
It's my understanding that you should install programs that run on startup, like today plugins, into main memory.
This is so that if the programs are called to run before the storage card is initialized they are available.
I believe it was MikeChannon that said this...
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Yeah, might be a good advice even though I never install in phome memory as long as I can avoid it. But you shouldn't take me as good example anyway (I never had issues with installing everything on SD card but I might have been only lucky up to now!)
How about this solution?:
Try to install your application on SD card first! If they do not run properly after starting up your phone then just uninstall them and reinstall them in your phone memory ...
The only 3 programs I installed in phone memory are:
SPB MOBILE SHELL (It won't install on SD)
RESCO EXPLORER 2007 (to be able to use Explorer, REGISTRY PLUGIN and FTP even when I switch SD cards or card fails)
Microsoft Reader (because of activation)

Storage question?

Great forum guys...already have had some fun modding my 8525.
I'm a convert, new to WinMo, been a Symbian supporter for 5+ years...so WinMo is new to me.
I have a noobish question. I've been loading ringtones, and .cab files onto my phone and seem to be running low on storage.
1. How do I tell how much space is left on my phone?
2. What files can I delete to make some room for important stuff?
I've searched the forum...but haven't found anything conclusive yet.
Thanks!
xj

I can answer the easy question...
To find how much storage you have go to START\SETTINGS\SYSTEM\MEMORY then select the main/storage card tab.
If you're running out of memory you can try unlocking and unhiding the extended rom which should give give you a few extra MB's. Most of the cooked WM6 roms here include Schap's advanced config which will do this for you (or maybe it can be downloaded as a cab file).
As for deleting files - the only safe ones I know about are my data files, unused programs (via uninstal) or some ringtones or other sounds in the windows or windows\rings directory.

to check your memory go to start>settings>system>memory then on the bottom theres 3 tabs..Main, Storage Card, and Running Programs..
Under Main you have Storage and Program.. Program is your ram and storage is your device memory which you can install apps to. Go to running programs and you really should only have activesyn running (if you have an exchange account that is). Anything else open is eating up your ram and will cause your device to run slow.
Now on the bottom of the memory settings it says Find large files using storage memory. Click on find and you can remove whatever you don't want.. (i don't think it'll pull up system files in the search)
My advice is to only install critical apps and apps that will be running on your today screen onto the device itself.. everything else should be installed to yoru Storage card.
If you don't delete cabs after installing them, move them over to yur storage card if you want them for later reference but they shouldn't be taking up device memory after they're installed.

thanks for the input guys, already helping me out. I look forward to being a contributing member of the forums...I'm gonna check out the wiki and sticky threads in more detail to get all the info I can.
Thanks again

installing programs on Diamonds (memory question)

As all us Diamond owners know all too well, we are dealing with a pathetically small amount of main memory. I've got virtually no aftermarket apps installed, and my main storage memory only has about 20MB left.
Two Q's
1. Is it possible to uninstall bundled apps? When I go to "Remove Programs" I only see the apps/cabs that I've installed aftermarket.
2. Is it adviseable/possible to install apps to the internal storage card? I've always been under the impression that programs should go in the "partition" where ...\Windows resides, but that may not be true.
Thanks.

1. yes it is possible if u cook your own rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413782
2. why not ? (you wore wrong )

ajd6c8 said:
2. Is it adviseable/possible to install apps to the internal storage card? I've always been under the impression that programs should go in the "partition" where ...\Windows resides, but that may not be true.
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Every app I install goes in the Internal Storage because, well, what's the point of having 4GB of memory and not using it? I did the same with my previous XDA IIi; everything went onto the external memory card and it's never caused any problems.

cool, sometimes it's good to be wrong!
no way am I cooking my own ROM though. I would totally find a way to screw that up.
no other way to remove pre-installed apps?

and additionaly why install apps??? I have quite a long time apps folders on my internal storage with shortcuts in windows folder and they WORK so I saved space and as bonus doesnt screw up system with aditional installs after HR...

kultus said:
and additionaly why install apps??? I have quite a long time apps folders on my internal storage with shortcuts in windows folder and they WORK so I saved space and as bonus doesnt screw up system with aditional installs after HR...
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bingo boingo!
Install apps onto the internal storage and create shortcuts in \windows with total commander. It saves memory space and also headache from reinstalling apps after flashing a new ROM.

Problem with Device Memory (Lack Of) on HD2

I have a very puzzling problem. When I first got the HD2 I installed a few cabs directly to the device. Due to this the device memory very rapidly became used up, which resulted in me having to delete some stuff and re-install to the 2GB SD card. Following this, I think I had about 25mb of free Device Storage on the phone. I now only install cabs etc direct to SD card, today I have roughly 1.4GB of free space on the card.
Imagine my dismay, therefore, when today, having installed 4 or 5 cabs, one being somewhere in the region of 44mb, I'm now completely out of device memory, even though I've installed directly to SD card. My device memory is now showing 0.00mb and I'm constantly getting the annoying 'low storage space' messages.
Any help would be much appreciated.

edit: The 44 mb cab I mentioned has not been installed to phone as apparently it won't let me due to lack of device memory, even tho I'm trying to install to SD card???

Also, when I go into Remove Program setting, all the cabs etc which I've installed from day 1 are listed there, no mystery there! Thing I don't understand is that they are all listed as being installed to phone internal memory. Even though when installed I specifically selected Storage Card and NOT device memory.
What's going on??

Anyone got any info on this please?

Does the SD Card have a program files directory, and are your apps there?

I'd very much like to point the OP to the EDIT button at the bottom of your posts... use that instead of spamming your own thread
Anyway, keep in mind some things:
- some devices come with a lot of useless stuff preinstalled, that steals precious internal memory free space
- some cabs may decide to copy their files over to internal memory even if you choose to install to SD card, depending on how they have been set during creation
- you can have a larger free space by flashing a "clean" custom rom, with base WM, manila, and nothing else, and easily add only the apps you really need (the rom I use in signature is one of those, unless you are on a 1024LEO in which case it would brick your phone)
- unless you install heavy apps (44mb is usually for bigdictionaries, encyclopedias, or images collections, in which case SD is the way to go) most apps SHOULD be installed in internal memory for various reasons

Bravoexo said:
Does the SD Card have a program files directory, and are your apps there?
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Thx for reply.
Yes, and the files which I installed today, and now deleted, were in the program files on the SD Card, but it still impacted on device memory. I've now deleted the files I put on today but device memory is only indicating just over 3mb available. Prior to today I'm sure I had about 25mb free. Don't understand it??

ephestione said:
I'd very much like to point the OP to the EDIT button at the bottom of your posts... use that instead of spamming your own thread
Anyway, keep in mind some things:
- some devices come with a lot of useless stuff preinstalled, that steals precious internal memory free space
- some cabs may decide to copy their files over to internal memory even if you choose to install to SD card, depending on how they have been set during creation
- you can have a larger free space by flashing a "clean" custom rom, with base WM, manila, and nothing else, and easily add only the apps you really need (the rom I use in signature is one of those, unless you are on a 1024LEO in which case it would brick your phone)
- unless you install heavy apps (44mb is usually for bigdictionaries, encyclopedias, or images collections, in which case SD is the way to go) most apps SHOULD be installed in internal memory for various reasons
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Thx for the above tip re: edit button. I didn't know you could use it to add to your own thread. I do now so won't be making that mistake again.
I take on board what you say and thx for your various points.
I just think that if you have an SD card, why not use it instead of cramming up the precious internal memory? Prior to today I had approx. 25mb free internal space. This went to zero internal space after I installed a few apps. I inadvertently installed one of the apps on to internal memory instead of SD card, so this would have obviously had an impact. The 44mb cab was the Ferrari GT game I came across today. In any case I've now deleted everything I installed today. But I now only have just above 3mb of free internal space even tho I've soft resetted a few times as well. This is what I don't understand?

RoN_HD2 said:
Thx for the above tip re: edit button. I didn't know you could use it to add to your own thread. I do now so won't be making that mistake again.
I take on board what you say and thx for your various points.
I just think that if you have an SD card, why not use it instead of cramming up the precious internal memory? Prior to today I had approx. 25mb free internal space. This went to zero internal space after I installed a few apps. I inadvertently installed one of the apps on to internal memory instead of SD card, so this would have obviously had an impact. The 44mb cab was the Ferrari GT game I came across today. In any case I've now deleted everything I installed today. But I now only have just above 3mb of free internal space even tho I've soft resetted a few times as well. This is what I don't understand?
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My current rom leaves 250+MB free after flash, just to give you an idea.
Internal memory is way faster than the microsd, that's why you want to install apps there unless they are huge. Anyway, since games are not usually ment to stay on the device forever, but more like until you finish them to uninstall, you could give them a go in the internal memory as well.
If you still have space taken after uninstalling, download and install totalcommander (to internal memory obviously ) and check under \Program Files\ to see if there are folders of old uninstalled programs still in memory. If there are any, delete them.
If your stock rom is a bloated one from your carrier, take into consideration the idea of flashing a clean custom rom, if you have the means to reflash the original rom back on in case you ever need warranty servicing

ephestione said:
My current rom leaves 250+MB free after flash, just to give you an idea.
Internal memory is way faster than the microsd, that's why you want to install apps there unless they are huge. Anyway, since games are not usually ment to stay on the device forever, but more like until you finish them to uninstall, you could give them a go in the internal memory as well.
If you still have space taken after uninstalling, download and install totalcommander (to internal memory obviously ) and check under \Program Files\ to see if there are folders of old uninstalled programs still in memory. If there are any, delete them.
If your stock rom is a bloated one from your carrier, take into consideration the idea of flashing a clean custom rom, if you have the means to reflash the original rom back on in case you ever need warranty servicing
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I'm on the stock UK o2 ROM 1.43 which is garbage. Still waiting for o2 to release an update My phone prior to this was the Samsung i900 Omnia which, once upon a time, I attempted to flash with the help and advice of some MoDaCo forum users. Basically I screwed up and had to send the phone to a Samsung Repair Centre. My point is I'm not totally clued up re: flashing/updating ROMs etc. However, I do realise at some point I'm gonna need to get my head screwed on and give it another try. If only to keep the phone up to date etc.

Apps2DS/ApptoSD

First post. I have A7 Dex mod 1.41. Should these apps (Apps2SD or ApptoSD) move the selected app to external sd card automatically? After uninstalling the selected app from internal stg. I have to manually cut/paste to external sd card and reinstall. It must be easier than that.
ooorah

Yeah I have been trying to figure that one out too. I am using the free version. When I go to the list of moveable apps I do not get the option of moving any of them. If I hit the settings button I do get the option to "move all," but none of them move. I really dont want to move all of them anyway, just my less used apps.
How do you move them from the internal memory to the SD card? I did check a few other forums but couldnt find much.
Thanks!

The current kernel from the official firmware and the custom ones like Dexter one don't support app2sd feature.
Ytain

Apps2SD/ApptoSD
Ytain, Thanks for the info. ooorah