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Nexus S = Rip off?

Hey guys, ordered this in the UK but I'm hearing so many bad things about it.
No Gorilla glass
GPS problems
Feels cheap
Plastic
Crap camera
.....and so on!
£549 quid this cost me and feels like with all the comments it's only worth half that.
To those who own the handset, what's the build quality like and is it simply a good handset to justify the price?
Thanks

£549 is definitely far too much in my option. Simply because it's nearly £150 more than it's being sold for in the US.
My N1 set me back £412 after shipping and taxes.

Rusty! said:
£549 is definitely far too much in my option. Simply because it's nearly £150 more than it's being sold for in the US.
My N1 set me back £412 after shipping and taxes.
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Yeah I'm trying to stop myself from cancelling the phone and just picking up a Desire HD, seems like I get more for less money if you get me.

recklesslife85 said:
Hey guys, ordered this in the UK but I'm hearing so many bad things about it.
No Gorilla glass
GPS problems
Feels cheap
Plastic
Crap camera
.....and so on!
£549 quid this cost me and feels like with all the comments it's only worth half that.
To those who own the handset, what's the build quality like and is it simply a good handset to justify the price?
Thanks
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I can really understand your point, but this is google's phone, it will be updated constantly and all problems rectified quickly, i think it was rushed out for christmas..... HTC phones or Samsung phones are also not without their problems, and i think we are looking at the negatives too much without enjoying the many positives.
549 IS a rip off, thats understood... But we have to understand that the 330 pounds plus VAT & Shipping from the US will add to the price. There is no doubt that this phone is the best Android phone to date, we just need to give Google time to iron out the errors.
GPS is working fine with 98 percent of devices, which sort of falls into line with what we see with other devices.
When you get your phone, enjoy your purchase, and then wait for the next nexus, which will probably be next xmas to upgrade again. I have told myself now that nexus phones are the only way to have a good google experience. HTC phones have major build quality and hardware flaws, and coupled with there inability to even put a decent screen on their flagship device should be seen as showing exactly what they think of their customers. LCD on the Desire HD = Joke. It looks like someone threw domestos bleach over the screen from an off straight viewing angle, lol
Enjoy your device man... Because there is nothing better atm Well at least untill the next Nexus drops;P
JD

I got mine in US. It is no Rip Off this is by far the best Android far i have used and i just came from a NexuS One. It is a good phone Im enjopying every moment of it. People just want too much. Even if it had all the stuff u mentioned people would STILL cry. You would'nt understand until you have it in your hands on it.

The price in the US is $529 which is £340.78. How much is the VAT, 17.5%?
The correct price in the UK should be £400.42.

shrivelfig said:
The price in the US is $529 which is £340.78. How much is the VAT, 17.5%?
The correct price in the UK should be £400.42.
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Add around 50 quid for each phone to ship and CPW's large cut,
the phone's fair price should be 499.99
But alas, we do not live in a fair world.
JD

Thanks for all the messages guys.
The price is rather shocking here in the UK 'like everything' so I'm kind of used to that. Sounds very cheaply built which I find very, very worrying for the price.

JupiterDroid said:
I can really understand your point, but this is google's phone, it will be updated constantly and all problems rectified quickly, i think it was rushed out for christmas..... HTC phones or Samsung phones are also not without their problems, and i think we are looking at the negatives too much without enjoying the many positives.
549 IS a rip off, thats understood... But we have to understand that the 330 pounds plus VAT & Shipping from the US will add to the price. There is no doubt that this phone is the best Android phone to date, we just need to give Google time to iron out the errors.
GPS is working fine with 98 percent of devices, which sort of falls into line with what we see with other devices.
When you get your phone, enjoy your purchase, and then wait for the next nexus, which will probably be next xmas to upgrade again. I have told myself now that nexus phones are the only way to have a good google experience. HTC phones have major build quality and hardware flaws, and coupled with there inability to even put a decent screen on their flagship device should be seen as showing exactly what they think of their customers. LCD on the Desire HD = Joke. It looks like someone threw domestos bleach over the screen from an off straight viewing angle, lol
Enjoy your device man... Because there is nothing better atm Well at least untill the next Nexus drops;P
JD
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Well said...I also decided to get Nexus phones from now on too....

recklesslife85 said:
Thanks for all the messages guys.
The price is rather shocking here in the UK 'like everything' so I'm kind of used to that. Sounds very cheaply built which I find very, very worrying for the price.
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It does feel that way. But the perfomance is just out this world. It actually deosnt feel THAT cheap though

Reasons not to get the Desire HD
May not get Honeycomb officially (will defo get 2.3)
Internal and external speaker problems, and very quiet. Internal speaker has high static jolts when calling over 2g. This is also the same for the Desire Z.
Heavy phone over a large area, 160g.
Scratch the metal back and your phone devalues without possible rectification.
Terrible screen, big but blacks are very bleached and also you have a white hue over the phone when viewing from an off straight angle.
Horrible battery cover, gap in the back part + easily bends and warped....
JD

Smilez_c said:
It does feel that way. But the perfomance is just out this world. It actually deosnt feel THAT cheap though
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Cool, been having a dodgy hour or two thinking about the phone cause I'm snowed in off work. Hahaha
I'll wait and judge when it's in my hands but I appreciate all the good comments guys.

The Super AMOLED screen will awe and amaze you. Fricking gorgeous.
I've also got an iPhone 4, Nexus One, and even a Galaxy S i9000. The Galaxy S and Nexus S are by far my favorite screens. I've also compared them to Desire HD, Droid X and a few others. The MyTouch 4G is the only thing that comes close in my opinion, followed right behind by the iPhone 4, but the iPhone's 3.5" is just too small.
Also, this phone is fast! Screw benchmarks, they're not real-world "feel" of the phone. Out of the box, this NS is as fast as my "lag-fixed" modded overclocked Galaxy S, which has posted Quadrant scores of 2200+.

JupiterDroid said:
Add around 50 quid for each phone to ship and CPW's large cut
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Shipping? From where? It's not made in the US. Shipping from Asia to the UK should be the same as shipping from Asia to the US.
CPW is the UK version of Best Buy. The $529 is including BB's cut, the £400 should be including CPW's cut.
The correct price should be £400. Personally I'd be willing to pay £450, or even £500 if I got it now, before the 20th.

distortedloop said:
The Super AMOLED screen will awe and amaze you. Fricking gorgeous.
I've also got an iPhone 4, Nexus One, and even a Galaxy S i9000. The Galaxy S and Nexus S are by far my favorite screens. I've also compared them to Desire HD, Droid X and a few others. The MyTouch 4G is the only thing that comes close in my opinion, followed right behind by the iPhone 4, but the iPhone's 3.5" is just too small.
Also, this phone is fast! Screw benchmarks, they're not real-world "feel" of the phone. Out of the box, this NS is as fast as my "lag-fixed" modded overclocked Galaxy S, which has posted Quadrant scores of 2200+.
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Now this is a guy to listen to lollol
Experience aplenty
Im sure you will love your device, and the build quality does not look cheap at all to me?
The lightweight feel is how a phone should be, trust me, i have had a 180g desire z for the past two months and my hand really knows about it
JD

shrivelfig said:
Shipping? From where? It's not made in the US. Shipping from Asia to the UK should be the same as shipping from Asia to the US.
CPW is the UK version of Best Buy. The $529 is including BB's cut, the £400 should be including CPW's cut.
The correct price should be £400. Personally I'd be willing to pay £450, or even £500 if I got it now, before the 20th.
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Samsung has big factory's in the USA as well, and if its made in South Korea i bet 1000000's that the USA have big deals with them for tax free importing. I still maintain that 499 pounds is a fair price...
I would be buying mine from my pal ogdobber in the usa but i need to make a purchase in the uk and have an imei number on the reciept to fulfil my requirements for my free insurance with my bank.
Love this phone, and love google
JD

My NS is out for delivery now and I can't wait. I had to return the HD7 after 13 days becuase I could not stand the screen and talk about build quality, the battery cover didn't even line up so you could see the SIM card through the giant gap in the back.

recklesslife85 said:
Cool, been having a dodgy hour or two thinking about the phone cause I'm snowed in off work. Hahaha
I'll wait and judge when it's in my hands but I appreciate all the good comments guys.
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@Reckless
Spoke to CPW customer services at 14:00
Stock expected Sunday for Monday shipping
Should be with you Tuesday at the earliest... You better start shovelling that snow dude
JD

DooLocsta said:
My NS is out for delivery now and I can't wait. I had to return the HD7 after 13 days becuase I could not stand the screen and talk about build quality, the battery cover didn't even line up so you could see the SIM card through the giant gap in the back.
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Yep it was the same with the HD, gonna add that to the list of defect with the phone
Where do you live pal? Your in the USA i presume?
JD

If you're unsure, and own an N1, wait till it gets it's 2.3 OTA update, then go and compare it like for like with an NS in your local CPW.
I plan on doing that even though I'm pretty certain I don't want to get an NS heh

Pay 10% more for Super AMOLED (I9020) vs Super LCD (I9023)

In the UK I can buy:
Super AMOLED (I9020) £346.79 inc. tax
vs
Super LCD (I9023) £317.99 inc. tax
Is it worth the extra £28.80?

keer-en said:
In the UK I can buy:
Super AMOLED (I9020) £346.79 inc. tax
vs
Super LCD (I9023) £317.99 inc. tax
Is it worth the extra £28.80?
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get the Samsung Galaxy S2, Nexus S is getting old now

psp888 said:
get the Samsung Galaxy S2, Nexus S is getting old now
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There is a £150 - £175 difference between the two. Plus I would rather have vanilla Android.

keer-en said:
There is a £150 - £175 difference between the two. Plus I would rather have vanilla Android.
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You should really look at the SGS2, as the Nexus S is year old technology. I've had the Nexus One and Nexus S, although having vanillia is nice and clean, Samsung have made good enhancements, espcially the browser being hardware accelerated, no idea why Google don't do this on their phones. and all the extra video codecs it can handle, full HD video recording, just to mention a few.
Just giving you some thoughts before you hit the buy button

psp888 said:
You should really look at the SGS2, as the Nexus S is year old technology. I've had the Nexus One and Nexus S, although having vanillia is nice and clean, Samsung have made good enhancements, espcially the browser being hardware accelerated, no idea why Google don't do this on their phones. and all the extra video codecs it can handle, full HD video recording, just to mention a few.
Just giving you some thoughts before you hit the buy button
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I'm on Three and the cheapest I can pick a PAYG handset up is for £499.99 (I'm hoping they would wave the top-up as I'm already a contract customer). Can it be had cheaper SIM free?

Please the OP did not ask about the Galaxy II he asked which display.
Not everybody wants to be stuck with Samsung Bloatware.
Me I would pay the difference and go for the Super AMOLED.

AstroDigital said:
Please the OP did not ask about the Galaxy II he asked which display.
Not everybody wants to be stuck with Samsung Bloatware.
Me I would pay the difference and go for the Super AMOLED.
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Well the SGS2 has a Super AMOLED Plus display!

I agree about the bloatware plus the fact the one thing that almost killed the deal for me was that this phone was made by Samsung and not HTC.Get the Amoled phone it is a great screen.

Brought the slcd version a month back for £325. amoled version was over 400 at the time.
After having the i8910 I thought I'd miss the amoled display but haven't noticed much of a difference.
Although I do agree super amoled its a better screen especially to watch movies on, also you would get slightly better battery life due to the lower power consumption while displaying blacks.
If I were buying now I would pay that bit extra.
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keer-en said:
In the UK I can buy:
Super AMOLED (I9020) £346.79 inc. tax
vs
Super LCD (I9023) £317.99 inc. tax
Is it worth the extra £28.80?
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there is also the difference in the RADIO BANDs... make sure it has the bands that you need

Super Amoled for sure.
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psp888 said:
You should really look at the SGS2, as the Nexus S is year old technology. I've had the Nexus One and Nexus S, although having vanillia is nice and clean, Samsung have made good enhancements, espcially the browser being hardware accelerated, no idea why Google don't do this on their phones. and all the extra video codecs it can handle, full HD video recording, just to mention a few.
Just giving you some thoughts before you hit the buy button
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The Nexus S is 6 months old..

AllGamer said:
there is also the difference in the RADIO BANDs... make sure it has the bands that you need
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There isn't in Europe.
I had had play with the LCD version yesterday and I liked it, but the built quality of my iPhone 4 has me spolit so I stil don't know what to do!

keer-en said:
In the UK I can buy:
Super AMOLED (I9020) £346.79 inc. tax
vs
Super LCD (I9023) £317.99 inc. tax
Is it worth the extra £28.80?
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Don't get this phone, you kidding me? Its OK and all, but man does it slow down. It uses too much of its 512 Mb of ram. Can't wait until my next phone comes out.

You can buy the SGS2 for £400 pay and go on O2.
You just might need to get it unlocked it you aren't on that network.
And you can get the LG Optimus 2X for £330
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...=0&searchstring=lg+optimus+2x&urlrefer=search

williamj1 said:
You can buy the SGS2 for £400 pay and go on O2.
You just might need to get it unlocked it you aren't on that network.
And you can get the LG Optimus 2X for £330
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...=0&searchstring=lg+optimus+2x&urlrefer=search
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O2 have not been offering that deal for about a week now, Also the SGSII does not come with NFC. I had the SGSII and its amazing, but i love the Sexus S, it feels like a proper phone, nothing can beat the ergonomics of the Nexus S
But the SGSII is fantastic, and is hands down the best phone on the market at the moment. But the NS is still a great phone and should not be taken lightly. You will also get Ice Cream Sandwich first, Who knows how long SGSII users will wait??? The SGS1 users still have not got official gingerbread...

williamj1 said:
You can buy the SGS2 for £400 pay and go on O2.
You just might need to get it unlocked it you aren't on that network.
And you can get the LG Optimus 2X for £330
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...=0&searchstring=lg+optimus+2x&urlrefer=search
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And as for the LG optimus 2x, everyone i know is trying to sell theirs due to its random reboot issue... It has lots and lots of software problems which have only been put right by POB and the CM7 team. Stay away from LG trust me....

I'm not saying that. The nexus S is a truly wonderful phone, one of the best available. My point was merely that if you are a techie who likes to always have the latest thing, this is probably not the time to buy a nexus. For some, the nexus will do everything they need. But for others, the dual core phones and the games and apps they bring will be a huge want. I am one of those people.
3+ months ago, I'd have happily bought a Nexus S and kept it for a year. Now, I'm waiting for the price of the SGS2 to fall, or the sensation come out. My plan is to get one of those soon while they are still fresh. Then keep it for ages. Because really, once you add dual core and front facing cameras, there is little you can add other than software. The SGS2 is rootable which means updates and custom roms. That, is the phone for me. The dual cores are the beginning of a new smartphone age, but they will stay for a while as there is little you can evolve. The Nexus S doesn't offer that, as it has already been surpassed, and rumours of the nexus 3 dual core no doubt are already surfacing. The Nexus S is still amazing, but it's no longer king (power wise). If I was keeping a nexus s for a few months then it would be great. But I keep phones for 1-2 years. So I might as well get something that is at the peak of android power IMO.
PS:
-The SGS2 is not available pay/go at O2 because of stock issues. It will be back soon.
-I'm not fussed about NFC. It hasn't taken off in the UK at all. It's more of a gizmo than something useful. And it won't be useful until it is in widespread use. And that will be a while.
-Also, I love the look and power and price of the LG 2x, but I hate that crappy LG UI. No thanks

williamj1 said:
I'm not saying that. The nexus S is a truly wonderful phone, one of the best available. My point was merely that if you are a techie who likes to always have the latest thing, this is probably not the time to buy a nexus. For some, the nexus will do everything they need. But for others, the dual core phones and the games and apps they bring will be a huge want. I am one of those people.
3+ months ago, I'd have happily bought a Nexus S and kept it for a year. Now, I'm waiting for the price of the SGS2 to fall, or the sensation come out. My plan is to get one of those soon while they are still fresh. Then keep it for ages. Because really, once you add dual core and front facing cameras, there is little you can add other than software. The SGS2 is rootable which means updates and custom roms. That, is the phone for me. The dual cores are the beginning of a new smartphone age, but they will stay for a while as there is little you can evolve. The Nexus S doesn't offer that, as it has already been surpassed, and rumours of the nexus 3 dual core no doubt are already surfacing. The Nexus S is still amazing, but it's no longer king (power wise). If I was keeping a nexus s for a few months then it would be great. But I keep phones for 1-2 years. So I might as well get something that is at the peak of android power IMO.
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-The SGS2 is not available pay/go at O2 because of stock issues. It will be back soon.
-I'm not fussed about NFC. It hasn't taken off in the UK at all. It's more of a gizmo than something useful. And it won't be useful until it is in widespread use. And that will be a while.
-Also, I love the look and power and price of the LG 2x, but I hate that crappy LG UI. No thanks
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The offer of the o2 PAYG for 400 has been suspended as of last week, check the website, its only back orders they will be fulfilling.
The NS will be at the forefront of software tech, maybe not hardware, but it will always be supported to the full by google. And as for the HTC Sensation, nice phone but the 720p and 1080p are no better than the recording in the Desire HD so i would avoid that at all costs.
The cheapest you can buy a SGSII is 495, Personally i would rather a NS and a ASUS Transformer, which is what i bought instead of just having the SGSII

splmonster said:
The Nexus S is 6 months old..
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Yes the phone is 6 months old but the hardware technology is one year old or even more.
To OP:
Nowadays there isnt much difference between SLCD and SAMOLED. Unless you put the 2 side to side , i can bet you would not be able to distinguish bet them.
I would advise you to get the nexus s on ebay for a cheaper price. i am sure you can get a new one for around 260-270 pounds. IMO buying the nexus s more than 300 pounds now is not worth it.

Atrix popularity on question

Hello folks,
On paper, the atrix is very similar to the Samsung Galaxy s2.
I do acknowledge the GS2 is better than the atrix on most scenarios, but I don't think the GS2 should be 700+ bucks or on the other hand the atrix shouldn't be as cheap as 300+ bucks.
I've been checking on the motorola atrix pricing around ebay and I actually made a decent deal. Which brings me to the question. Why is the atrix so cheap and unpopular, when it brings real life performance similar to the GS2 and even more functionality than the GS2 (Atrix docks), all this at half the price of the GS2
What are your thoughts?

It seems that due to the radio frequency only supporting ATT 3G, and also the fact that Galaxy S has a better following than "Atrix" this would support the cheaper price.
If you look up Samsung Focus for instance, you can get one for around $100 and it has a 1ghz processor and 4"amoled screen. (no slouch) but because its WP7 and because it wasnt that popular, you can get it cheap.

it is called free market pricing. Prices are set at point where supply and demand meet. The SGSII is a great phone, and lots of people want it (high demand). It is also very new, and never before released in the US on a major carrier, which means that supply is very low. Both of these two factors push the price of the phone up.
The atrix is a great phone, however there is tons of supply since it has been out for quite a while. This drives the price down.
Another reason, compare the predecessors... Droid X vs Galaxy S. They are both great phones, but in my book the Galaxy S wins 95 out of 100 times. Samsung just makes very refined and desirable phones.
I have an atrix, and anticipate loving it once I get CM7x, but for the past 4 months that I have had it, it has been a lot of frustration.

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it is called free market pricing. Prices are set at point where supply and demand meet. The SGSII is a great phone, and lots of people want it. It is also very new, and never before released in the US on a major carrier, which means that supply is very low. Both of these two factors push the price of the phone up.
The atrix is a great phone also, however there is tons of supply since it has been out for quite a while. This drives the price down.
Another reason, compare the predecessors... Droid X vs Galaxy S. They are both great phones, but in my book the Galaxy S wins 95 out of 100 times. Samsung just makes very refined and desirable phones, as long as you don't care about GPS.
I have an atrix, and anticipate loving it once I get CM7x, but for the past 4 months that I have had it, it has been a lot of frustration.
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Mostly agree (not sure about the GS processor winning 95% of the time, but OK). Just wanted to fix a glaring little error, in bold

brdl04 said:
It seems that due to the radio frequency only supporting ATT 3G, and also the fact that Galaxy S has a better following than "Atrix" this would support the cheaper price.
If you look up Samsung Focus for instance, you can get one for around $100 and it has a 1ghz processor and 4"amoled screen. (no slouch) but because its WP7 and because it wasnt that popular, you can get it cheap.
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Thanks foe the info I'm gonna get one now
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I agree that it's the supply and demand thing.
When I bought mine, almost no official retailer would sell it to me without an activation on Bell. And, it was full price (over $600). Now it's $100 on a 3-year term. I didn't want to wait so I paid the price...

uhm, I think that brings the reason why the atrix is so cheap. I'm not complaining, just wondering.
Anyways, it's better for me and any atrix potential buyer hehehe. I wanted to buy the GS2 but then i realized that the similarly specd atrix was almost half the price. so I went for the atrix, plus the hd dock and the remote control are some nice features.
Have a portable entertainment system that makes calls? that's priceless. And if you are watching a movie on your home teather and have to go, you can just pick up your phone and keep watching in the subway...

Another unmentioned (at least on this thread) factor of the Atrix unpopularity was the fact that it came bootloader locked, which meant that no custom ROM could be installed.
But that has changed now that we have an unlocked bootloader!
Get ready to start seeing more and more custom roms for the Atrix that basically will unleash its true potential.
Stay tuned...
P.S.- For me, more than Atrix specs, Lapdock addon alone blows the SGS2 out of the water easily.

I see them selling for around $550 used here in Canada.

Rayan said:
P.S.- For me, more than Atrix specs, Lapdock addon alone blows the SGS2 out of the water easily.
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That was the selling point for me also. Otherwise I probably would have gone with an iThingy. Once you root the phone to where you can tweak the lapdock packages and add lxterminal, etc, it is a great tool. j
The lapdock/Atrix combo has pretty much replaced my much heavier laptop for everything but astrophotography - and that's only because my astro camera is a firewire CCD which I don't think is ever going to be supported on the Atrix.

I am happy as hell with the Atrix (I like the fingerprint scanner) I was stuck with the captivate and it was horrible because the GPS just didn't work (which i needed). Bottom line buy the phone for the features you need and work well. If you don't need widgets get an iphone, if you don't mind crappy GPS get a Samsung.

with all electronics since the beginning of time new=expensive and not being subsidized by a major US carrier like at&t has a lot to do with it also. i remember back in the day when i bought the HTC Kaiser for $800 before it was release as the att tilt when this happened the price dropped quite a bit, the same will happened with the GS2 when it hits an north american carrier. european phones are generally more expensive since they are not usually subsidized by their carrier and come unlocked.

Higher price doesn't mean if a product is better than its rivals. ip4 is still more expensive than atrix, is it better ?

Semseddin said:
Higher price doesn't mean if a product is better than its rivals. ip4 is still more expensive than atrix, is it better ?
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For the average person? Probably. Better pictures, better screen, better battery life, very simplistic GUI. The average person will play casual games on their phone, browse the web, text, and use facebook. That's it. There's a reason why it's still the highest single selling phone on verizon and AT&T even though it's a year old and still costs $200 on contract.

Dont forget the LG Optimus 2x, its a fantastic phone with a fantastic screen, i liked it more than my Atrix but it doesnt support my new network (850mhz)

JiminSD said:
I am happy as hell with the Atrix (I like the fingerprint scanner) I was stuck with the captivate and it was horrible because the GPS just didn't work (which i needed). Bottom line buy the phone for the features you need and work well. If you don't need widgets get an iphone, if you don't mind crappy GPS get a Samsung.
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I purchased an Atrix when I finally bricked my Captivate. This is a really nice phone but I miss my Captivate. I'm going to send it off soon and probably go back to it. If you select the right ROM, there are zero GPS issues. I won't lie though, the GPS is amazing on this phone. I really just miss my AMOLED.
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HTC One vs Moto X (Verizon)

I'll be getting either the supposedly "blue" HTC One or the Moto X on Verizon by the end of this month. We all know the Moto X is slightly underspecced compared to the One but supposedly it's got a massive slew of new features and the PRICE tag equivalent to a dollar menu item at McDonalds compared to a Big Mac; assuming that you can get it from Google Play for Verizon. (Sorry for the run-on sentence)
Here's what will make or break my decision.
If the Moto X does these, I will not buy:
Lag: I will not tolerate anything less than buttery smooth like the HTC One
Camera: If the rear camera is a complete waste like the Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4 camera.
Bad Battery life: I assume based on battery size and slower processor that this thing will have admirable battery life, but you never know
Quiet Speakers: This one is 50/50. If the external speaker(s) suck big time then I won't buy. But if it's at least as good as the iPhone5 then I will hold nothing against it.
Low Storage: I haven't read everything there is to know about it yet but this thing needs to have 32gb storage minimum, whether it's internal or achieved by an SD card, I don't care. It just needs to happen. I'm sitting at 4gb remaining as it is with my silver HTC One, lol.
Bad Screen: Here's the major kicker. I've read the rumors that the X will have 312ppi and our One's are rocking an incredible 468ppi. That's normally an indication of how great the screen will be in real life. If the screen looks obviously worse, then I'm going to just grab the Verizon HTC One and call it a day.
Feel free to add any other things that would make or break your decision between these phones. All the while keeping in mind that the X is a few hundred dollars cheaper.

You know as much as we do, why compare.
Keep in mind the One is also likely 2x the cost of the X, if the rumors hold true - so hopefully the One is better in most of those categories.

My opinion is this, it won't sound as good as the One due to the boomsound speakers, but I could live without them.
Same with PPI of over 450, there's basically zero difference over 300, so again, a wash for me.
Honestly, if the bootloader is unlocked and the battery is decent (better than the One), I'll probably switch to the X.
I hear the software optimizations are awesome on it as well.

I personally don't see a reason to consider the X if the One is within your budget. Sure the X may be better bang for the buck but I wouldn't settle for decent when I can afford great.

"Who wants to be a fireman?"
Why not add that to your ridiculous poll?

lol it is $200 on contract for AT&T (probably similar for Verizon). You can just get the One for the same price :laugh:

killman2659 said:
lol it is $200 on contract for AT&T (probably similar for Verizon). You can just get the One for the same price :laugh:
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Yeah that just sealed the deal for me. What a flop. Looks like a blue One will be it,

Syn Ack said:
Yeah that just sealed the deal for me. What a flop. Looks like a blue One will be it,
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And i think i read that the 32 gb will be AT&T exclusive

killman2659 said:
And i think i read that the 32 gb will be AT&T exclusive
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As will the customizations.
I really had high hopes for this thing.
Hyped product is hyped.
:meh:

Boo, motorola dropped the ball from the sounds of it.
Definitely no reason to get it over the One, IMO. (Unless you really want to talk to your phone when it sleeps :angel

Man. And here I thought it would be a play device that would replace the nexus 4. Guess not. Although the notification system and the google now thing is pretty cool. I want that on my One.
Edit: I guess it will be released as a dev/unlocked device, but doubt the price would be anywhere near $300 if it's contract price is $250.

bbedward said:
Boo, motorola dropped the ball from the sounds of it.
Definitely no reason to get it over the One, IMO. (Unless you really want to talk to your phone when it sleeps :angel
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Agreed

Honestly, an HTC One Mini sounds better than Moto X.

What's hilarious is Motorola Mobility (a company owned by Google) won't be shipping the X with Android 4.3. Fragmentation is so bad on the Android platform that even a cell phone manufacturer owned by Google itself can't even get the latest version of Android on its own phones. I'm sure the US cell phone carriers are responsible, since it's coming out on all 4 major carriers. I'm not complaining or anything (4.3 is a relatively minor upgrade), I just think it's funny.

Dual core vs quad core you decide.
IMO this is a huge mistake from Moto.
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What's hilarious is Motorola Mobility (a company owned by Google) won't be shipping the X with Android 4.3. Fragmentation is so bad on the Android platform that even a cell phone manufacturer owned by Google itself can't even get the latest version of Android on its own phones. I'm sure the US cell phone carriers are responsible, since it's coming out on all 4 major carriers. I'm not complaining or anything (4.3 is a relatively minor upgrade), I just think it's funny.
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I agree that it is stupid that this phone doesn't ship with 4.3. You would think Motorola would've been the first company to receive an early final build of 4.3. IMO if anyone wants this phone just wait until they release the Google Play version of it (if it doesn't have 4.3 then that would be pathetic)
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I have waited months for the HTC One to come to Verizon I will not to turn back now. But really Moto X is a mid range phone, I want the best.

Too be honest, I am a little conflicted
Motorola should be commended for allowing customization on their phones (even if its just aesthetics). In my opinion every company should do this.
The specification are considered mid-range, for specification buffs this is disconcerning (and most of us here are spec buffs) but my question how much does it matter? My brothers Nexus 4 runs just as smooth as my HTC One and it has a slower processor. Dual Core vs. Quad Core, how many apps actually use all the cores?
720p vs. 1080p this will depend on if you can tell the difference. This is what I tell people when they compare screens, if you can't tell the difference there is no point of spending that extra money. The 720p def will save battery and allow the phone to run faster (less resources diverted to run the 1080p screen)
Active Display and Touchless Control do add unique functionality. Touchless Control will be really useful when driving. Active Display is definitely a good way to handle notifications and may increase battery life.
Price being the same gives the HTC One a huge advantage though. If the unlocked version is around the same price as the Nexus 4 then it could be worth it. But its somewhat unlikely since its made in the US (our minimum wage is $7.50 an hour while the workers in China usually get $1.50 an hour. HUGE difference here)
Though I feel Motorola is heading in the right direction. If they add options to customize CPU, RAM, Screen...etc. (which they can definitely do with their new Texas factory) or even options for different material panels (I know they are prototyping wooden backs at the moment) this will go somewhere. Price is the biggest problem right now and to be honest I'm not sure how they will be able to solve it.

I love the X, at the price point though I'd rather buy the One.
I think a lot of people feel the same way, but I certainly hope it succeeds anyway.
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regP said:
I personally don't see a reason to consider the X if the One is within your budget. Sure the X may be better bang for the buck but I wouldn't settle for decent when I can afford great.
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[Discussion] [Poll] PIXEL PRICE

At USD $649 for a 5" Google Pixel phone compared with nexus 5x price of USD $379
what are your thoughts on pricing, (POLL on top)
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Article by xda, talking about Pixel price.
http://http://www.xda-developers.com/renouncing-the-nexus-legacy-priced-the-pixel-into-a-battle-it-may-not-win/

How about an option "too high, but eff it, I bought one anyway"?

doitright said:
How about an option "too high, but eff it, I bought one anyway"?
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maybe the last option ?

128 GB Flash and a 5 inch screen. This is what i'm looking for, a long time now.
Hopefully the Pixel phones also have an unlockable bootloader like all the Nexus phones have - otherwise it's a no-go.

See my thread:
Just bought a Nexus 5X 32 GB for 245 € instead of Pixel 759€

unrealmac said:
See my thread:
Just bought a Nexus 5X 32 GB for 245 € instead of Pixel 759€
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Thats a good price but these 2 phones are technicaly not compareble.

gee2012 said:
Thats a good price but these 2 phones are technicaly not compareble.
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technically yes. And yep I was really looking forward for more than 2gb Ram and an AMOLED screen but this phone simply doesn't offer for me the justification to be 500€ more expensive than the Nexus 5X.
Come on: I think everyone was kind of waiting for the secret killer feature that wasn't announced. I personally bet that the glass/plastic back is touch enabled for swipe/scroll gestures but that did not happen. Daydreams seems still not 100% ready..

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technically yes. And yep I was really looking forward for more than 2gb Ram and an AMOLED screen but this phone simply doesn't offer for me the justification to be 500€ more expensive than the Nexus 5X.
Come on: I think everyone was kind of waiting for the secret killer feature that wasn't announced. I personally bet that the glass/plastic back is touch enabled for swipe/scroll gestures but that did not happen. Daydreams seems still not 100% ready..
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I completely agree with you. I will not get one of these 2 devices either because of the price and its not a huge upgrade from the 6P imo.

The RAM is the main advantage to me.... (2GB for 64-bit android is an error, even the N5 2013 has less redraws. N5X should have had 3GB! )
On the other hand, the battery life (seems to have much better autonomy) and the AMOLED panel is another advantage.
But I bought the 5X at 300€ in Amazon (6 months after the release date). So I'll wait to see this Pixel at 500€ before buy it.

Much prefer LCD to AMOLED.

marinierb said:
Much prefer LCD to AMOLED.
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seems like technology is moving towards amoled, the last of big brands that used lcd is apple

The camera sensors are NOT the same. They're just the same in terms of megapixels, which most photographers know isn't everything. Pixel should win in that category as well.

I'm having a real tough time deciding on what to do.... Buy a Pixel for 750 with protection plan, (no way in hell I'm financing at 29 .9% APR, friggin criminals), or buy an HTC 10, which is comparable to the Pixel, plus it has an SDCard and it's 550 bucks right now.....

Way overpriced - just like Apple's iPhone 7. Very dissapointed.

The pricing on these is out of touch with reality. Maybe its a part of the same pricing model they did on the Nexus 6 where all the fanboys and people who just dont know better pay full price, then 2 months later, its selling for $349.
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I think these western phone manufacturers just prices them out of the market when chinese cheap and same spec phones are getting into the hands of masses. When people are getting poorer and poorer they just dont have money to purchase 750$ phones.

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At USD $649 for a 5" Google Pixel phone compared with nexus 5x price of USD $349
what are your thoughts on pricing, (POLL on top)
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Wow that definitely does look quite shocking for the new pixel though you are forgetting some of the new features of the Pixel!
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unrealmac said:
technically yes. And yep I was really looking forward for more than 2gb Ram and an AMOLED screen but this phone simply doesn't offer for me the justification to be 500€ more expensive than the Nexus 5X.
Come on: I think everyone was kind of waiting for the secret killer feature that wasn't announced. I personally bet that the glass/plastic back is touch enabled for swipe/scroll gestures but that did not happen. Daydreams seems still not 100% ready..
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The non-metal part of the back is there so that the antennas behind it will actually pick up RF. Doesn't make sense for a cell phone to not be able to get cell service!
Daydream is a gimmick and will ALWAYS be a gimmick.
The way forward for hardware, is always going to be better (smaller/faster/more capable) hardware.
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I completely agree with you. I will not get one of these 2 devices either because of the price and its not a huge upgrade from the 6P imo.
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The 6P is a bit of an oddball unit, not really necessary, since it is a downgrade from the 6 before it (face it, 64bit doesn't provide any benefit to the workloads you get on a PHONE), and a very highly optimized and cool running 32bit chip can run circles around a run of the mill bone stock A57 reference toaster element.
Now the new kryo cores... those are optimized cool running 64bit chips in the same way as the 32bit krait450. Certainly not enough to be worth spending a pile of money on to replace a Nexus 6, but if you're in need of a phone, it is definitely the best and would be the best choice.
I'm hanging on to my Nexus 6, but I'm getting the pixel 5/128 for the wife, whose Nexus 5 is starting to flake out.
I think that one of the problems that people have is in understanding when to buy a phone and when not to. There are NO "revolutionary" new things to be had, the changes are incremental. So don't do stupid things like continually replacing your phone with whatever the "newest" one is, since there won't be a significant difference. But when you *need* a new phone, then pick the best nexus/pixel and buy it.

boy they missed the boat on this one. Pricing is outrageous. I'm not an iphone user . but As much as it looks like it wants to be, its not an iphone. Your average joe isn't going to buy this at this price. They'll say, google pixel, eh never heard of it, i'm not dropping $900 on a phone i've never heard of. But they will drop $900 on an iphone because it has created a brand that people know and trust. This is a major fail in pricing. At this price it should have EVERYTHING out there, it doesn't even have wireless charging, no expandable memory, no removalable battery, and isnt' even water proof. It'd be a HARD sell to get a normal person to fork out 100-125 more for this over a S7 or similar. FAIL

eliteconcept said:
boy they missed the boat on this one. Pricing is outrageous. I'm not an iphone user . but As much as it looks like it wants to be, its not an iphone. Your average joe isn't going to buy this at this price. They'll say, google pixel, eh never heard of it, i'm not dropping $900 on a phone i've never heard of. But they will drop $900 on an iphone because it has created a brand that people know and trust. This is a major fail in pricing. At this price it should have EVERYTHING out there, it doesn't even have wireless charging, no expandable memory, no removalable battery, and isnt' even water proof. It'd be a HARD sell to get a normal person to fork out 100-125 more for this over a S7 or similar. FAIL
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Those features are not there yet because there has to be something left for the coming generations of pixels in case there is no big development of software...
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