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My IT manager has informed me that the XDA II will have blackberry capabilities once "O2 implement some changes to their servers" , which will apparently happen somewhere after X-mas.
Anybody else heard of this?
It was my impression, from something I read I believe, that the functionality comes from both 2003 mobile upgrade, and microsoft .net (2003) exchange server. Basically I was lead to believe that if you have say MS exchange server .net or 2003 what ever it is officially called, and a pocket pc phone running 2003 mobile the blackberry type functions can be had.
RIM client is being shipped in new O2 XDA II firmware next year. This means you can use it with RIM BES servers to deliver push E-mail.
This will not give the true Blackberry experience though as the carriers have only licensed a portion of the BES solution and it's functionality is limited. There is no push calendar, contacts etc. etc. and the configuration aspects are limited on PPC2003.
Good for marketing purposes but pretty much useless in my view in an enterprise deployment. It's my understanding that the RIM BES support is a firmware only solution and you will not be able to add extra functionality without the carrier licencing it and delivering it to you in ROM form.
The RIM BES is done with software. So in theory it could be implemented on the XDA II. However the BES is not cheep!!
It would be good to see if an XDA II could get the seamless e-mail connection that the Blackberry does. However the Blackberry is not a particularly good phone and when I last looked did not support SMS but P2P. If they can get over the technical aspect and the cost of the BES it would be great and I for one would perches the service in a second.
Gil.
Yes it can
the xmail software can be used to match what blackberry can provide - you will need a computer permanently linked to the network (either yours or a shared machine)
A T-Mobile manager in San Francisco explained it this way: The combination of the new Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 software on your PDA and new mail server software (undoubtedly Exchange Server 2003, although she didn't say), lets email show up on your PDA without you having to check for it manually, just like SMS messages do. If that's what you mean by Blackberry capabilities, then it looks like everyone who has or upgrades to Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 and gets email from an updated Exchange Server will have "Blackberry capability." She explained that the mail server will send a specially coded SMS message to your PDA (which you will never see) which will notify the OS that there is email waiting to be downloaded. The PDA will then automatically initate a download of the email. From your perspective, it will seem that the email will simply show up -- a la with a Blackberry device.
It is Exchange 2003 and Windows Mobile 2003 combo. You can set Active Sync to sync "as new items arrive" option. This option sends a special email via SMS to your phone to pull the new data. So, it becomes very close to Blackberry RIM, I love it. It saves my time to check for new messages on the road.
People are confusing two capabilities here
RIM / Blackberry INBOX software is rumored to be shipping with / in the XDA II firmware sometime in '04 (might be available now). This would allow EITHER a RIM desktop redirector OR a Blackberry Enterprise Server to wireless synchronize Exchange email with the XDA II. The BES option is much better than the 'redirector' as it doesn't require a PC to be constantly running redirecting email for every user doing this (dumb approach).
There are multiple "Blackberry Like" capabilities that support the XDA II that some of you have been referring too. Microsoft new 'titanium' / Exchange uses SMS (dumb approach) to wake up the XDA II and 'tell it' to come pick up it's mail, calendar, etc. SMS is costly in some cases, and not guaranteed message protocol in all cases.
Other ISV's are developing / have developed 'Berry like' capability for XDA II -- Synchrologoc, Extended Systems, Sybase iAnywhere, others.
Most of these take the same approach as described above by Microsoft -- some are a bit more clever approach that uses TCP/IP as the underlying Push notification vs. SMS -- which makes them alot more flexible and reliable.
NET-net: There are two options to achieving the Pushed email / PIM to the XDA II: via RIM / Blackberry approach, or via the MS / ISV approach described above.
Make sense? FYI: I know this because I am the RIM product mgr for my company, and have been exploring some of the options that are RIM-like with other device and platforms.
jpd
There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
I guess my point is that this is WM2003 capability, not necessarily XDA II. You can have this "blackberry experience" today if you use the right software. Granted, its not cheap, but I know our mobile users love it.
-wurd up
wurdipus said:
There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
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Yeah but the device has to be on to do this, right? I mean to "poll" the server, your PPC has to be turned on, right?
With the Exchange Server method, it will send the SMS which will cause your PPC to wake up, dl the email, and tell you "you've got mail".
-arebelspy
your PDA is never actually off unless you let the battery die. When you turn it "off" the screen just blanks to save battery. I agree, SMS message wakeup is a stupid and wasteful approach.
Hello everyone!
As you can see by my profile, I'm a rather new member of the XDA-Dev community, and also a new owner of an HTC Tytn. I love it.
I also love open sourced or at least free software.
My problem is: I'd love to have push based e-mail feeding off of my plain old IMAP and/or POP account hosted wherever.
Of the two IMAP IDLE capable clients on WM6 (I'm using LVSW) both feel like a piece of **** along with an attached price tag. One of them was also last updated in early 2006.
I've been looking at WM Outlook and Exchange syncing. I'm thinking about implementing some sort of an interface that would provide Outlook style ActiveSync front end (hey, it's just WebDAV) to a simple IMAP/POP3 account in the background.
I'll probably start working on this just for the kicks anyway, but... would anyone else be interested in seeing/using something like this?
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Hello everyone!
As you can see by my profile, I'm a rather new member of the XDA-Dev community, and also a new owner of an HTC Tytn. I love it.
............
I'll probably start working on this just for the kicks anyway, but... would anyone else be interested in seeing/using something like this?
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There is software called emoze. This relies on your desktop & outlook downloading the email then Emoze sends the data to you PDA over the cell network.
The way i think that would be good is you would need a software client running on your desktop that polls your POP3 server for new headers. When it gets one it sends your PDA a token telling it to go and d/l its pop.
Im thinking of writing one cause i want it to detect if its cradled. I only want my e-mails forwarded to my phone when its not cradeled.
Just some thoughts. But if its in c# ill be happy to try help where i can.
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There is software called emoze. This relies on your desktop & outlook downloading the email then Emoze sends the data to you PDA over the cell network.
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First off, I'd like to avoid the whole using-the-desktop thing. The mails are accessible on the server, and can stay there until your desktop client picks them up. Ideally, you would use IMAP and just leave the mail on the server as long as you need it, thus having it both accessible from your desktop and your mobile client.
The approach I'm thinking of would emulate an Exchange server. You would configure this server the same way you configure outlook syncing with a real Exchange server on your phone - thus eliminating any need for development or hacking on the client side. Everyone would just be using their default messaging client installed on WM.
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First off, I'd like to avoid the whole using-the-desktop thing. The mails are accessible on the server, and can stay there until your desktop client picks them up. Ideally, you would use IMAP and just leave the mail on the server as long as you need it, thus having it both accessible from your desktop and your mobile client.
The approach I'm thinking of would emulate an Exchange server. You would configure this server the same way you configure outlook syncing with a real Exchange server on your phone - thus eliminating any need for development or hacking on the client side. Everyone would just be using their default messaging client installed on WM.
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So from My understanding this is what we got.
Code:
~ Project ~
CLIENT | HACK'D | <-----> IMAP
A/Sync <---> | Server |
WM6 | APP We Write | <-----> POP3
That should be possible but the reason that your able to recieve it in two places is because the exchnage server is the mailbox essintally. And your desktop account is also attached to the exchange server(someone jump in if im wrong) this means that it knows when something is deleted on your desktop.
So we would have to emulate both the Device and Desktop exchange server functions.
Other way is to just put a wrapper around a popserver. So it will only send the emails to the desktop once, then keep the e-mails for the device.
eg
Code:
****Check POP3/IMAP server every x mins
New Email
D/L and Store
Ping PPC Client
PPC Downloads
Flaged as PPC received
Desktop POP3 checks pop wrapper
Because the exchange server has the builtin pop client you will never be able to get true e-mail unless you create a pop3/imap server that has the PPC ping functionality built into it, you will always have the **** step.
Just some thoughts ...
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First off, I'd like to avoid the whole using-the-desktop thing. The mails are accessible on the server, and can stay there until your desktop client picks them up. Ideally, you would use IMAP and just leave the mail on the server as long as you need it, thus having it both accessible from your desktop and your mobile client.
The approach I'm thinking of would emulate an Exchange server. You would configure this server the same way you configure outlook syncing with a real Exchange server on your phone - thus eliminating any need for development or hacking on the client side. Everyone would just be using their default messaging client installed on WM.
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you dont need to 'hack' anything... is you look at the Microsoft Exchange 2007 SDK you can write your own libraries that get called on incoming mail etc... no hacking required... how do you think Blackberry Enterirpse Server and Goodlink Server work??
The whole idea is that I want nothing to do with Exchange in the software, except to emulate it's ActiveSync features and push e-mail. No SDK, no libraries, nada.
I don't have any problems polling the POP3 server every few minutes. With IMAP it's much easier considering that a lot of IMAP servers support IDLE.
Basically, the architecture would be exactly what Shaun33 described/drew in his post.
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The whole idea is that I want nothing to do with Exchange in the software, except to emulate it's ActiveSync features and push e-mail. No SDK, no libraries, nada.
I don't have any problems polling the POP3 server every few minutes. With IMAP it's much easier considering that a lot of IMAP servers support IDLE.
Basically, the architecture would be exactly what Shaun33 described/drew in his post.
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Ok best idea is if you have the time.
1. Install Exxhange server and pair your PPC to it.
2. User packet monitoring software such as ethereal to monitor the data going back between the server and the client the best fun is going to be the fact that is SSL. But there is an option to disable the SSL then you monitor port 80.
If you post a capture file i would be willing to look into helping you develop it.
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Ok best idea is if you have the time.
1. Install Exxhange server and pair your PPC to it.
2. User packet monitoring software such as ethereal to monitor the data going back between the server and the client the best fun is going to be the fact that is SSL. But there is an option to disable the SSL then you monitor port 80.
If you post a capture file i would be willing to look into helping you develop it.
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Ethereal isn't called Ethereal any more, you do know that? It's been known as Wireshark for a while now. Anyway, the protocol is (almost) standard WebDAV protocol with some strange extensions.
I'm working on getting clean dumps of various bits of functionality. Will report soon!
hi guys,
i got to know about one website which is provide push mail for pop3 account for free, i tested it on JASJAR and its working fine, you can try it here www.consilient.com may be it would be helpfull...
This certainly sounds interesting to me! Do you still think it is doable?
Sounds cool - like you said, it's all webdav oriented, and from IIS logs, getting the content is fairly easy to construct. You won't have to worry about matching up device IDs, etc, so you can ignore that and concentrate on the username with what verbs are being used (foldersync, sync, getestimate, etc)
One thing may get you is the initial connection - after configuring, it will check to see if theres a policy to set on the device after checking the user, not sure how activesync on the device will handle it if it can't get to that.
I always think its funny that MS decided to call this "push" technology, when its just the device constantly polling (probably just an xml change file, i seem to remember something like that)
Anyway, good luck
My ISP blocks all ports below 1024 so I had to setup my SBS2003 Exchange server to run on port 8080 (HTTP) & 4443 (HTTPS), which works perfectly (tested locally & on remote locations).
When I add the correct secure portnumber to the server address (ActiveSync > Tools > Configure Server Source), ActiveSync cannot find our Exchange Server. When I remove the portnumber everything works fine as long as I'm on my local network.
I enter it like this: exchangeserverdomain.com:4443
I have OWA running perfectly by using the same external server address:<port>, and all needed certificates are on my WM6 device (it's the HTC Touch Dual).
Seems like ActiveSync doesn't like portnumbers.
Any tips?
Me 2
I'm having a similar problem.
Anyone can help?
Many thanks in advance.
Pozi.
If anyone has found a solution for this, I sure would appreciate knowing. As I'm sure you found, older stuff retrieved by Google makes it clear that MS just didn't provide support for ActiveSync on custom ports in previous WM versions, but couldn't they have remedied this oversight by now? Reg key?
Active sync - Exchange: SSL over a non-default port - Solved in WM65 ?
Any idea if there is a workaround for this problem in WM 6.5 ?
thanks,
Koen.
No, I don't know if WM6.5 finally added the ability to specify port number for Activesync server.
We solved this need by using "SSL host headers," which permit multiple IIS sites to use the default SSL port 443 with different host names. Although the IIS (6.0) GUI doesn't provide this capability, it can be done at the command line using adsutil.vbs found in Inetpub\adminscripts. It requires a wildcard SSL certificate, is a little tricky to get right, and results in a misleading error message in the event log every time IIS starts, but it does work reliably.
See:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pr...108-b1a7-494d-885d-f8941b07554c.mspx?mfr=true
ISP blocks all well-known ports - server activesync not working
thanks for the information, the configuration of Exchange is indeed not an issue.
Problem is that my ISP blocks all well-known (service) ports like 443,...
I would like to configure server activesync to use a different port (above 1024).
The Activesync interface on Windows mobile does not allow to enter a port number to specify the protocol.
eg. remote.company.com:4433 is automatically changed back to remote.company.com.
Any idea of a reg-key on WM to change the port to use for server activesync ?
If there is a way to do that in WM65, I don't know about it.
What kind of ISP "blocks all well-known ports"?
Good luck.
Not a solution per se but could you use SevenBeta to get your mail pushed? i think it works as long as you can get to the OWA server from the device. probably wouldn't give you contacts but at least you'd get mail while out of the office.
It's not Exchange, but the client...
I dislike it's come to this but it's true, the iPhone handles this over custom ssl ports just fine and I have not come across anything else that does. I do not know why. With the iPhone or iPod touch too I'd guess, you just enter your email address and password. It tries the regular ports and fails, and where you enter the server you enter your port like servername:customsslport and then you have full active synch abilities, synched email, all your subfolders, and the option to synch calendar and address book too.
I recently tried an android phone and looking for a solution, at this very site found out windows phones couldn't do this either... Developers have tried to give google this code correction but they won't accept it for whatever reason. I ended up using a tether to my old iPhone just to get decent ActiveSynch over custom SSL ports until I gave in and took back the Atrix for the newer iPhone, as my old phone was falling apart and was the older slower one. I've tried 2.1 & 2.2 Android phones and when you try to enter the port using serverort syntax you get invalid server format or the save button just gets grayed out until you remove the port. There's a few buggy market apps that sorta work in a limited way. It's possible the Blackberry may allow custom ssl ports on Exchange synch setup too, but I don't know, only that Windows and Android phones had issues with this but it works perfect on the iPhone, so it can't be a limitation of Exchange exactly. I haven't run into any good desktop clients for this, but to access full mobile email, synching even sent items and pushing select custom folders, calendar and contacts the iPhone truly synchs all these fine by entering the same port you use for custom OWA ssl in the Exchange email setup. I wish even desktop Outlook handled custom ssl port synching this well, and I'm not sure how the iPhone does it, as it seems very lightweight.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=602494
Lukasss said:
My ISP blocks all ports below 1024 so I had to setup my SBS2003 Exchange server to run on port 8080 (HTTP) & 4443 (HTTPS), which works perfectly (tested locally & on remote locations).
When I add the correct secure portnumber to the server address (ActiveSync > Tools > Configure Server Source), ActiveSync cannot find our Exchange Server. When I remove the portnumber everything works fine as long as I'm on my local network.
I enter it like this: exchangeserverdomain.com:4443
I have OWA running perfectly by using the same external server address:<port>, and all needed certificates are on my WM6 device (it's the HTC Touch Dual).
Seems like ActiveSync doesn't like portnumbers.
Any tips?
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hmmm this is interesting
Hi
I used to be able sync to my work Outlook email via ActiveSync / Outlook Mobile Access (OMA). However, yesterday my work IT department disabled OMA on my Exchange server as they do not support anything other than the blackberry. Despite my protestation they are refusing to re-enable OMA. This leaves me with a big issue!
Does anyone on here know of a third party application that can sync outlook emails and calander using Outlook Web Access (OWA)?
I have found an application called Chronobis which is able to sync from OWA but only one way i.e. deleted items on Chronobis will not delete from my Outlook inbox and calendar appointments added won't sync to my outlook calander (or so I believe). Whilst this is a good start it really doesn't get me to where I need to be.
I am desperate to sync my work outlook emails to my new HTC HD2 (its the main reason I got it)!
Anyone got any other ideas / know of any other applications?
Would really appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks in advance.
Yes, you can use a service called Seven.
Thanks for your response.
I've had a look and it seems this could do the job! Seems that the only way to get it was to join the beta programme which I've done but when I put my the vendor in it doesnt give me the HD2 as an option.
Any ideas what handset I should choose that will work with the HD2?!
I've also read compatibility issues with Manilla 2.5 in their forums. Has anyone managed to get this working successfully on an HD2? Also, are you able to move emails to your different folders using this app and have them sync with the exchange?
Is this the best / only app out there for my requirement?
Sorry for all the qus!
Thanks again.
ActiveSync uses OWA. Put in webmail server, username, password and works.
OWA still works, like afterburn said, i got my calendar, email and tsks to synch. lol now all my contacts are on my university email accounts, pretty cool tho.
no need for thirdparty, active sync does it.
dont know what OMA is. but what you want is exactly what OWA gives you.
dont set your owa using HCT SENSE/MANILA SETTINGS. do it through normal out look ad account way. HTC tick boxes for tasks, calendar and other stuff are greyed out and only email is available.
but on the standard outlook mobile all the settings are there.
need a run through of how to set it up?
Thanks for your responses guys.
OMA is office mobile outlook. It is a setting within the exchange server which either allows or disallows a mobile device to access emails through the mail app. Having OWA does not mean that you will be able to access your emails from a mobile device (except through the mobile browser).
Activesync uses OMA rather than OWA so at the moment I'm stuck!
As a result I need an app that syncs via OWA.
Seven seems to be able to do it but I could do with any answers to my qus above.
Happy to be proved wrong on this but one day it was all working fine and the next my exchage server settings had been changed and it stopped working.
Any exchange server admins on here who can confirm my thinking is correct?
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I've also read compatibility issues with Manilla 2.5 in their forums. Has anyone managed to get this working successfully on an HD2?
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I'm using Seven on HD2. There were compatibility problems with custom ROMs on other devices based on leaked Leo Manila.
Why don't you use Blackberry Connect on your Wm device? That way, you can sync the same way as Blackberry devices. Of course that requires you to have BB access rights, but since they are so BB happy, you may be able to get that.
You can get it here: http://www.htc.com/us/mobile/connect/8925/install/default.html
Of course it is not specific for the HD2, and I have no idea if it'll work, but it is worth a try.
BB connect sounds like a good idea, wasn't aware it was a possibility, thanks.
I actually have a BB from work so I know that I am set up for it. However, I work for a company that are very keen on security so there is no way they will give out the settings I would need (its set up by the IT department and then just given to you).
Is there any way to get the info / settings I need from my current blackberry? Ive had a look on it and can't see anything obvious.
Just checked through some documentation on BB connect and unfortunatley it requires that I install ActiveSync and BB Connect on a computer connected to my works network.
As I dont have admin rights on my work laptop I won't be able to do this (unless anyone knows how to install programs without being an administrator!).
Looks like Seven might be the bset solution!
Vangrieg, which handset did you choose to set up for the HD2?
Thanks
I admin an exchange server, the most common reason for OMA not working is if there isnt a valid ssl cert for the domain, but i can confirm that as you mentioned, it will deffo not work if mobile access is turned off on the user account (there are 2 seperate options for web and mobile access)
i dont see any decent reason why a server admin would disable it, he must be on a power trip or sommert!
Thanks lancemate.
Could the valid ssl cert be the reason even if others in my company are still able to access as before? Its only affecting me. I've set up one of my collegues mail accounts on my phone to see if it still worked and it did without any issues.
When I called IT they said they hadn't changed any of my settings so I had assumed that OMA was the issue. I asked them to check and to re-enable and they told me they were unwilling to even look at my settings!!! Our IT department has been moved to India which makes it even harder to get any help!
Could an ssl cert suddenly just expire?!
Is there anyway of me to get a valid ssl cert for the domain witout going through IT to see if this is the issue?!
Been doing some more research and want to see if getting an ssl certificate onto my phone will make it work. Absoloutely no idea if it will work but its the last thing I can think off!
Is it possible to download the SSL certificate from my OWA site?
If I double click on the padlock in the bottom left corner I can get the certificate details up on the "details" tab (although there are loads of files and I don't know what I'm looking at!). When I click "copy to file" the export wizard come up but I have no idea where to go from there!
Anyone able to offer any assistance please?
Also, I'm sure this is a stupid question but would I need to put this certificate on my phone or could I use a different one?!
Thanks
It cant be an SSL Cerificate issue if your Colleague's account works on your device.
It MUST be that OMA is disabled on your account or something else is horribly wrong. As mentioned above i cant see any reason why an Exchange administrator would disable OMA.
Can you connect to your account using activesync on a different device to check whether its the phone or settings on server side?
To help you with using Blackberry Connect as a possible solution here are some resources on how to run programs that require admin level on machines you havent been given admin rights to. Some methods cover your tracks completely and others simply let you create/amend and delete windows accounts and associated rights in whatever way you need.
i would suggest using the first link to create a bootable usb stick that loads a modified linux command prompt. You can then use this to give yourself local admin rights.
http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
http://www.jms1.net/nt-unlock.shtml
http://internetbusinessdaily.net/how-to-hack-a-window-xp-admins-password/
I've tried to set up on 2 other phones, bith with no joy so I'm guessing its the server side rather than the phone.
Is there no way that its anything to do with the ssl certificate? Are they set up company rather than by user? Will my suggestion of putting a certificate on my phone definately not work (if I could even find out how to export it from OWA)?!
I also cant see why the OMA would have been diabled so thinking it must be something else!
Thanks
I share Gooner's concerns and look forward to finding a solution. 1) My company has not yet enabled mobile devices to sync via Outlook Web Access. 2) Blackberry Connect does not yet work on HD2. There is a thread for BBC on this very same forum.
I am confident that a solution will soon emerge for 1) and/or 2).
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It cant be an SSL Cerificate issue if your Colleague's account works on your device.
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Well, sometimes you need to install the certificate manually on your device to make it work. That's the case where I work - we use a self-signed certificate.
I use zarafa as a direct replacement for exchange, it syncs my emails,calendars, contacts etc.
It allows push email as well.
Hi JMes
After looking around I have found it appears that there are 2 services that will allow you to sync a mobile device using OWA, even if it is not set up for OMA.
Seven - Currently in beta but others have had success with this service on an HD2. I believe that it will sync Calendar, Tasks and Email.
Emoze - Also allows you to check outlook via OWA and offers a free service or a paid for service. Paid for service allows you to remove the "sent from emoze" tag allows attachemnts to be sent up to 2mb (rather than 100kb). Think it costs 10 euros a year.
Hi *,
From a long time i'm trying to find a rom for Magic 32B be used for work.
My needs is to have a rom with ActiveSync (Mail, Calendar and Contacts) and, if possible, lookup in the "GAL" of Microsoft Exchange.
I know many software for these features, but it's possible inclusion in a rom?
Thanks in advance!
Ale
Back in the day Eclair ROMs required you to sync your email, contacts, ect. through exchange because Google sign-in was broken. Now-a-days, the sign-in is working, but still. Point of it all is that any Eclair ROM will do what your asking. Just go to the G1 Android Development section here at XDA and find any Android 2.1 ROM you like, then go for it.
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Back in the day Eclair ROMs required you to sync your email, contacts, ect. through exchange because Google sign-in was broken. Now-a-days, the sign-in is working, but still. Point of it all is that any Eclair ROM will do what your asking. Just go to the G1 Android Development section here at XDA and find any Android 2.1 ROM you like, then go for it.
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Thanks for the reply.
Android 2.1 ROM sync ONLY Email and Contacts. NO CALENDAR
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if possible, lookup in the "GAL" of Microsoft Exchange.
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I haven't seen any rom you can do that in ...
1.6 roms seem to use the 'work email' app which is an adapted version of the htc mail app from non-google branded htc devices.
2.x roms have native exchange support, mail and contacts sync only.
I believe you could get what you're looking from the market but you'll probably have to get your wallet out and pay.
But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
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But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
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That's what I thought too. However I never had a need for it and only basic needs for exchange. gmail for sure did calendar sync.
You'll want to go 3rd party and get a fancy one anyway. Should be worth the money if the feature set is important (not withstanding my opinion).
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I haven't seen any rom you can do that
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But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
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yep. the old 1.5 rom with htc framework does exactly this.
i know, because i still use 1.5 for just this reason.
the best rom you'll find that does this without any need for third party apps etc is enomther's the original rogers rom. (not to be confused with his the original donut roms.)
you'll find it in the G1 development forum.
in order to use GAL addresses, you have to use "add receipient" to fill out the "to" field when doing an email. then you can choose between "contacts" (google) or "company" (GAL).
you can't browse the GAL as far as i am aware, but you can search it.
EDIT: by the way, it does full exchange sync. emails, contacts and calendar.
you can get a 2.1 rom and flash the moto apps from droid that includes gal, corporate calendar. that is what i am using now.
you can purchase touchdown and it does everything you ask
on any version you want
includes searchable GAL
I trial a HEAP of different phones for work and this is pretty much what it comes down to when you are talking business use.
While i love the Android and have a N1 myself it falls over on some MAJOR areas.
1: No Client side cert capability.
2: No Encryption
3: No Group Policy Abilities
4: No Remote Wipe of the device
5: Not FIPS rated (no encryption)
The Google phone is great, i love it over an Iphone but until these issues are sorted I would NOT recommend these for business use. As far as personal phones go they are awesome !
The only phones that are correctly rated for use as far as encryption and GPO are unfortunately WM6 and WM6.5 I HATE these phones cant stand them but they are (Believe it or not) the most secure ! Lets hope when the Iphone releases their new OS in the next month or so they may become a more realistic player in the business market.
Or (Fingers crossed) Google and Droid do some real work into making these phones more secure.. If they did i know they would be more popular with the business community !
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gymmy said:
I trial a HEAP of different phones for work and this is pretty much what it comes down to when you are talking business use.
While i love the Android and have a N1 myself it falls over on some MAJOR areas.
1: No Client side cert capability.
2: No Encryption
3: No Group Policy Abilities
4: No Remote Wipe of the device
5: Not FIPS rated (no encryption)
The Google phone is great, i love it over an Iphone but until these issues are sorted I would NOT recommend these for business use. As far as personal phones go they are awesome !
The only phones that are correctly rated for use as far as encryption and GPO are unfortunately WM6 and WM6.5 I HATE these phones cant stand them but they are (Believe it or not) the most secure ! Lets hope when the Iphone releases their new OS in the next month or so they may become a more realistic player in the business market.
Or (Fingers crossed) Google and Droid do some real work into making these phones more secure.. If they did i know they would be more popular with the business community !
G.
A.
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umm android has all those through applications available in the market ....
What are moto apps
markkohfm said:
you can get a 2.1 rom and flash the moto apps from droid that includes gal, corporate calendar. that is what i am using now.
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What are moto apps - can' seem to find it searching on xda... If anyone could enlighten me, I would appreciate it.
I whole-heartedly recommend Nitrodesk TouchDown. It's a kick-ass app for Exchange. You get push updates for Mail, Calendar, etc.
It might seem expensive relative to your average mini-app, but you have to keep in mind that this is way more useful than those.
My employer's MS exchange set-up incorporates security pin that none of the Android ROMs support - that I'm aware off! I'm currently on day 20 of the 30 day trial with Touchdown and really am impressed. It supports mail, calendar and contacts with GAL and most importantly for me I can finally log on because of the pin security support. The iPhone supports this too however the pin is required every time you want to use it for any app whereas on Android you enter the pin when launching Touchdown. Worth the $20 imo
BigRD said:
My employer's MS exchange set-up incorporates security pin that none of the Android ROMs support - that I'm aware off! I'm currently on day 20 of the 30 day trial with Touchdown and really am impressed. It supports mail, calendar and contacts with GAL and most importantly for me I can finally log on because of the pin security support. The iPhone supports this too however the pin is required every time you want to use it for any app whereas on Android you enter the pin when launching Touchdown. Worth the $20 imo
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glad we reached a consensus that business users need to stop whining about exchange and drop 20$ for touchdown
is really a stellar exchange client
hopefully there will not always be a need for this as it should be part of the base OS
FYI
The only thing that is needed comparing from the touchdown app to any Android OS to have full Exchange support is to fetch the Active Sync certificates forced by the enterprise security policy.
The enterprise I work for, doesn't use the Active Sync certificates forced and runs on Exchange server 2007. No issues with the Exchange Android OS. No touchdown needed.
The partner who we support has to fetch the certificates and runs on Exchange server 2003. Now, they will migrate everything to Exchange 2007..., than I want to see what will happen because they will keep the security policy or adapt it to the new infra. I'm using the touchdown, because otherwise I'll have my account locked on the Radius server.
iPhone's are even more limited. To sync an iPhone with my partner Exchange server 2003, you need the following:
- On the Inbox folder have less than 500Mb
- Be over the OS version 3.x.x
- If you make a NT password reset, you have to re-create the profile and sometimes hope for a miracle or change the domain to the complete address or insert it on the username.
Once again on the Exchange 2007, no issues.
I had the same issue with android because I use exchange calendar and mail.
CursorSense has exchange calendar, it is 1.5, but works very smooth for me. The main problem was the initially pin, I had to call my exchange IT person to remove that security so I can use it. Otherwise, you are out of luck.
I've never had success with android 1.6. I've tried the Moto apk, and many other names, adb push it to the phone, and it just doens't work. So, for me, 1.6 has no exchange calendar, but only email.
As for 2.1, it does support exchange calendar. But I'm waiting a faster rom to start using it. In the meantime, I use touchdown, which is WAYYYY better than the native software from android. The widget actually works!! The widget from android in 2.1 includes Email and Calendar, but none of them refreshes the information all the time, so you will actually have to go in the email account to see new email, and your calendar to see new updates. With Touchdown, the widget is easier to use and it updates quickly. It is too expensive, I agree.
There is another app, called Roadsync, but I don't like the UI.
ricardomega said:
FYI
The only thing that is needed comparing from the touchdown app to any Android OS to have full Exchange support is to fetch the Active Sync certificates forced by the enterprise security policy
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Well, that is down to the business running Exchange, not anything to do with Android ... enterprises should be using universally trusted certificates.
If you get a certificate error in activesync it means your exchange admin bought a cheap SSL certificate that your device doesn't trust.
Not agreed.
Ref. 1 (Wiki):
Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS) is a networking protocol that provides centralized Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) management for computers to connect and use a network service. RADIUS was developed by Livingston Enterprises, Inc., in 1991 as an access server authentication and accounting protocol and later brought into the IETF standards.[1]
Because of the broad support and the ubiquitous nature of the RADIUS protocol, it is often used by ISPs and enterprises to manage access to the Internet or internal networks, wireless networks, and integrated e-mail services. These networks may incorporate modems, DSL, access points, VPNs, network ports, web servers, etc.[2]
RADIUS is a client/server protocol that runs in the application layer, using UDP as transport. The Remote Access Server, the Virtual Private Network server, the Network switch with port-based authentication, and the Network Access Server, are all gateways that control access to the network, and all have a RADIUS client component that communicates with the RADIUS server. The RADIUS server is usually a background process running on a UNIX or Windows NT machine.[3] RADIUS serves three functions:
to authenticate users or devices before granting them access to a network,
to authorize those users or devices for certain network services and
to account for usage of those services.
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This is GOOD. IT MEANS SECURITY.
Talking about universally trusted certificates... if the windows mobile since 5.1 version and other devices exchange services (like Symbian S60 devices up and others) work flawless ... our new gadgets are the one's who doesn't work ...
The partner that I was speaking are leaders on their security division product for decades.
Sorry, but please point out the Apps.
1: Client side cert import for access to company websites ?
2: Encryption which is FIPS 104-2 certified
3: Group Policy enforcement
Touchdown does work, but its not just exchange email which uses certification