Guys,
I just sent my HD2 (1.48 GER unbranded) back to Amazon for full credit.
By today I had nine cases open at HTC support:
Blutotth SAP: phone does not find mast after disconnecting from car
SMS: app crashes, SMS remain in outbox forever
Music: volume rocker erratic behavior (changes to track skip)
Bluetooth: headset looses connection after certain time
Weather App: sometimes not updating location based weather
Email: HD2 sometimes looses all mail server address entries. All emails in inbox get lost simultaneously
Facebook app: certain information not being displayed
Telephone: volume adjustment with BT headset next to impossible (turned fully up all the time)
SMS app: mobile and fixed line No's are displayed with the same icon, so you never know whether its a mobile or fixed line phone you send your message to (if it gets send.........)
Plus:
Wired headset with Music Controls: renders next to useless without volume control buttons.
The majority of all the bugs always existed at the same time, so one app crashing influenced the others (volume rocker, SMS, weather, bluetooth), Needless to say that not one of the bugs was cured by the latest ROM update. I sometimes wonder whether HTC is doing any SQA at all.
I am a businessman who travels world wide. I need a reliable phone, it is mission critical. The HD2 is a million miles away from being that.
I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
I had enough. Period.
Sorry, but it had to shot this out loudly.
GZ
So, what are you moving to?
You forgot to mention the most annoying thing on earth with HD2, THE NOISY VOICE CALLS !!
Fair play mate!
I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
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And you think that gets better with another company? Definitely not.
RIM's CEO had to apologize foll all the bugs of the Storm.
Nokia's N97 has recieved bad reviews for all its software issues.
Sony Ericsson's Satio had to be pulled from the market because of huge issues.
Apple's iPhone has litte bugs but also little features
...and so on...
The only way to have less issues is to also have less features.
I guess you don't want that, as you are asking for advanced features like the Bluetooth stuff or location based weather, which are features that other phones don't even have in the first place.
You can't ask for a phone that has every feature and at the same time not accept any bugs. There is no phone like that, unfortunately.
(Sure I wish there was, but there isn't)
So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.
If you are not satisfied, try another brand like toshiba or acer.
And if you are a "HTC beta tester", you should know it better.
Ah, the Toshiba TG01... another great example for my list.
HD2 is a multimedia device and not a proffesional phone. You won't have any of therse problems in HTC Touch Pro 2 that is designed specifically to be a proffesional phone more reliable and less flashy: keyboard, bigger battery, less bugs etc. It has smaller screen, heavier, less megapixels etc but it is a business model, HD2 is not. I need to point also that iphone is not also a bussiness phone (you can not change battery etc) and Apple accpet that. Simply choose a bussness phone if you need it for bussines, not a expensive gadget as it is in this moment HD2.
I find it extremely strange that some users are reporting the phone running stock roms as buggy to the point of being unusable, whereas for others (myself included) it's been utterly bug free. You can understand a wide variety of different bugs surfacing when you deploy desktop applications, because hardware and software combinations are almost limitless, but here that's not the case. Identical software running on an identical software/hardware platform should produce identical results.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.
I was fine until i read the part that you're a "beta tester." (notice the use of quotations?)
I laughed and proceeded to ignored your post entirely.
i experienced some of those problems, but already found fixes for most and for others their in development, like maati says, theres no 100% bug-free phone nowadays, heck, even the 3310 was bugged in some areas, and that was before all the 'hsdpa' 'gps' 'bluetooth' 'multitouch' '1ghz' stuff came along
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...So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.
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"Having to tweak a bit" ??? Dude, it´s one thing to "tweak a bit" and another to get this phone to do what it is supposed to!
Paying 600 Euro for a device plus doing the work that HTC´s developer are not able to do, for me it´s just not acceptable.
If everybody feels alright with that, HTC will keep on capitalizing customer until they encounter resistance.
On my job I have to do my work to get my earnings. Thats what I expect from others.
This is not HTC specific.
There is just no perfect phone. No matter how much you pay, you won't get anything that's perfect.
I gave you some examples of other phones that have/had huge issues as well, despite being very expensive.
Sure, the HD2 has some issues. But you must not forget that other phones are not better. Not one bit.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.
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True, entirely.
Unfortunately, some people don't get that. If all people realized that truth, threads like this would not exist.
We have to accept the fact that there is no perfect phone and just buy the device that requires the least compromises. This is a personal thing. I, for example, will probably never buy an iPhone again, becasue that thing annoyed me with all its flaws. Sure, it was pretty much bug free, but the lack of critical features was inacceptable.
Did I go to an iPhone forum and shout against Apple and tell everybody that I sold my iPhone? No. Because I am smart enough to realize that there is no perfect phone and I must just buy whatever works best for me. Going to an iPhone forum in order to tell everyone how much I hated the device would not have helped anyone, and creating such threads is not good behaviour anyways.
During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had. The less "tweaking", the less issues, I think. I did not have any big issues, but some small flaws. With the ROM update, quite some improvement. I think 2 or 3 ROM versions later, the device will be better than any comparable device on the market.
If a mobile phone is crucial for a business person, I think the phone should not do much more than calls and texts - to be on the safe side. As of today, maybe a Blackberry or a Palm product might meet the business needs best.
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Damn, but that line is getting old.
No bugs here, and I got one of the first batch.
But don't let me interrupt the villification of the Great Satan HTC.
Being upset about your handset not working properly? Understandable.
Marking HTC as the worst thing since the antichrist? Yeah, it's been done. To death, revived and back to death again.
They updated the ROM and brought out a fix for the camera. Horrible!
Damn, but that line is getting old.
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It's getting old but it's still as stupid as it was in the beginning. HTC is not evil, they're just a phone maker like all the others, and naturally, their phones have flaws, like all the others.
In fact, compared to others, if you look at the "features*advantages/flaws" ratio, HTC would probably come out on top.
During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had.
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That's what I'm saying: No phone is perfect. They all have their flaws and everyone should choose what works best for him.
HTC is not worse than anyone else in the industry. In fact, with the HD2, they may even be the best, currently.
ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again. Least of all if you don't own the phone or just on here to complain,there isn't a lot anyone on the forum can do to help you with if you don't own one. I understand the frustration though but it should be directed to HTC.
In any case if you are looking for a good business phone from HTC I suggest the HTC Rhodium. Another one of my favorites and with a physical keyboard.
ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again.
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Exactly. That thread doesn't help anyone, and it's redundant.
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Exactly. That thread doesn't help anyone, and it's redundant.
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Then why do you fill it with so many postings?
Also, you did not get the point.
Its one thing to make a decision against a device, that simply does not provide the desired features, as you did with the iphone. Why did you not read its specs??? You just should have known before buying.
And, its another thing to buy a device with many features promised, but then finding many annoying bugs. Thats what I wrote about, ok?
I totally appreciate what the OP is saying about feeling like a "beta tester".
HTC are guilty of putting out stuff with some glaringly obvious bugs but dare I say, so does every other manufacturer out there.
The OP is simply expressing his dismay that once again he as a paying customer is receiving a product that needs further testing and development by the manufactuer!!
Still, it probably wont stop me from buying an HD2 soon...
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Considering its limited memory, I was wondering when everyone thinks the G1 is likely to reach the end of its usefulness.. especially as android develops and requires better hardware to power it.
Any ideas?
I know for certain this topic has been discussed in this subforum atleast two times. Maybe you could join the discussion in those threads?
I know you weren't looking for an answer like this but I suppose it depends on the actual user of the phone, when I had my LG Vu (I know its not a smart phone) I loved it for about a week and absolutely needed a new phone, while my father has his LG Vu and uses it all the time and doesn't even think about getting a new phone since his does the job.
To me this phone will be good for a year or two before I decide to move further, unless I'm influenced to get a different phone which I probably would be
I'm hoping that Android in develop and improve in such a way that it will optimize the use of the current hardware. Optimize the hardware drivers, improve the coding, etc.
Considering that the Dream, Magic, Hero all have the same CPU, I do hope they make more progress on optimizing it for the CPU.
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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True, I still visit the Tmobile Shadows forum on this site and there are still roms being cooked for it.
I change phones almost every year if not 2 times a year....but havent changed my phone since I got the G1 because...and it still impresses friends almost every week....
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As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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This is so true. I first found this site when I got an HTC Wizard. When I got it the model had long since been discontinued, but the developers here were still active. With what I got here it managed to put an old phone on par with many new models.
Personally until an android phone comes out with a significantly better processor, screen, camera, and with a physical keyboard, I'm probably not going anywhere.
G1 will die when someone releases a phone with twice the processing power, hardware-accelerated 3D, a decent camera (5+ MP, autofocus, flash) true multitouch screen, and at half the power consumption.
it may never truly die
Just Google "nanoloop" to see how long a cult object can outlive its perceived consumer life cycle. I see the G1 as having great potential for achieving cult status, due in part to its homely chin.
Like those above have said i honestly don't see this ever dying out. This was and is the first Android phone and for the fact i see it always being around being worked on.
The G1 will die:
1. After the iPhone dies
2. After all the devs stop developing <- highly unlikely
3. When T-Mobile makes a huge mistake
Just my two cents.
Cult Status probably not but long lifetime
The G1 in my opinion does not have that much of a cult status potential since today the lifecycle is wa quicker than in 1989. I mean the GB was produced for like 8-10 years! Mine still works and would never sell it or give it away.
I know that I will want a new phone in probably a year (or whenever the next nice android device WITH a hardware keyboard and a better camera + batterylife) will come out. But even then I will keep my G1 as second navigation device? GPS dataloger? Mobile Router? Remote Control?....
there is so much great softwware that works great on the G1 hardware and unless you dont want to run som stupid 3D UI or game on it I dont see a reason to get rid of it.
with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." Haha. But on a serious note and I mean no offense by this but if you have so much hatred for the G1 why are you on this forum? Some people pay way more for a phone that does less and is way worse than you believe this phone to be. Granted everyone is looking for different things. Perfect example a co-worker bought a blackberry bold and hated it with a passion, his son however loved it (me I would never consider paying more for what I deem an inferior phone). So it is all personal preference, but I don't see this phone dying anytime soon unless another phone with better specs and a full keyboard comes along.
dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Man... you should probably pop a valium or something. It's a phone, not genocide.
- internal memory. This is obviously a weakpoint, but it doesn't affect everyone equally. For example I only keep about a dozen apps installed at any given time. My guess is most users who have hundreds of apps installed are not using them all on a frequent basis.
- exchange email. First, you have to understand that the G1 is targeted firstly as a consumer device. Most consumers do not need exchange mail access. That said, there is nothing keeping Android implementers from adding exchange support if they wish, which is exactly what we're seeing HTC do now on some of their self-branded phones.
- incoming calls. I've never had my phone fail to wake or ring on an incoming call. Perhaps this is a network issue or you have a custom android build installed? Generally speaking the "stock" builds are very responsive to incoming calls. There is a thread in the dev subforum that roughly compares various builds and their incoming call alertness.
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Too bad you have so many issues with the G1.
How many apps do you have installed and how many do you actually use? I doubt most people have more than 30-40 apps installed that they used more than a few times. It has enough space for at least that many and probably more.
Not all phone support Exchange, in fact most don't. Even iphone didn't for a long time. Android does have the ability to use Exchange now if you have the right official or custom build. It is not 'fraud' when a feature is missing or overlooked. If you go overboard with how you describe issues, people won't take you seriously.
I have not read any issues with G1 being unresponsive on receiving calls on the official build. If you are having unresponsive functionality while using a custom build or any app that may be conflicting, then it is not a problem with the G1. I've experience slowness when I used the overclock app, but I had underclocked it to 128mhz. That was MY fault. If you are having problems with the official G1 build with no apps installed, than maybe it's time to talk to T-Mobile and get it replaced since nobody else has that problem.
In an ideal world, everything would be perfect on the first release. It's almost never that way. There are very few exception to this, but they are probably never always perfect either. I suppose NASA or Dept of Defense could get the first release to be perfect.. but DoD has over $700,000,000,000 budget. Also the phone would cost more than what most people would want to pay.. also it would take a long time to before it got released..
For me, as long as the is still workin its useful until something else catches my eyes.. but nothin haven't yet and there so much u can do with the g1.
EDIT- yea if there is atleast one dev still grindin the g1 will never die
I'm not going to answer certain inane rantings (see above), I only feel the need to say the following.
Look at the forum for the HTC wizard. It has seen very little traffic since 2008. On the other hand, I would advise people to keep their wizards rather than buy a newer phone, because of what we do here on XDA. It's making the software do incredible things that makes hacking what it is. It's what makes open source glorious. Personally, continually buying new things just because the hardware is better only supports the standard microsoft/apple/ibm/everyotherestablishedcompany method of releasing new hardware with primitive software implementations. Just look at what we've done with the dream so far:
Apps to SD
Media to SD
Root Access
Full CPU Scaling
VPN Access
Themes
Scripts
Volume Hacks
Faster Charge Times
Better WIFI and Bluetooth system integration....
the list goes on. And as long as the Dream remains the easiest android phone to root, it's going to keep extending.
There is an interesting mix of 'stuff' on this forum at present and what seems to be a considerable amount of interest and emotion around the HD2. There are:
Threads asking for opinions on upgrades
Threads slating the device
Threads doing the basic 'work' of the forum (in my opinion) i.e. sharing information, trying to find ways of making things work, helping one another out, etc
Judging by the critical threads and by those jumping in to defend the device, there are two essentially polarised schools of thought; those who love it and those who loath it (and of course, many shades in between).
Many of those who hate the device seem to be inclined to share their dissatisfaction in the interests of providing balance for those considering a purchase, so instead of the emotion and mud slinging, how about a simple poll so that everyone can submit their own view in as dispassionate a manner as possible?
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IPhone Windows Style
I cant wait until My Pink Photo phone is warrantied so I can load a different ROM on it. This phone out of the box is so locked down on features it even hides two games. To install owner information you have to fill out your contact card not Owner information through windows because it is nonexistent without reg edit. If I didn't know how do do some Reg Editing I think I might have thrown this phone even at the $800 US Price tag. I cannot even switch the view to landscape in Excel, so now I can only see half of my spread sheets.
On the plus side the 1 GHZ processor runs all of my programs at lightning fast speeds. The screen is big enough to enjoy anything you do on this phone. The cellular radio has great reception I have not dropped a call yet.
I'm in the US, so like many of my brethren, I'm waiting for my order to be shipped.
I may have some problems with the phone, but truthfully, if not for the trailblazers and those having problems, I would be lost in most of the issues I'll run across.
Ultimately, the specs on this device make it too delicious not to love.
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This is the best device I have ever owned.
I started with an XDAII, which was classic and the 2nd of it's kind, that is, a computer phone.
HTC pioneered this, making the first, the XDA.
They solved many of the power issues and other technical issues of earlier pda's and melded the mobile phone with the pocket computer.
It was instantly better than any Nokia.
I have owned many classics like O2 Mini, Atom, Polaris and HD.
Though it is a good phone without needing any major changes, I couldn't stand not being able to customise my phone at the cellular level.
But then, I have built a dozen hi performance pc's in my time and similarly would not be happy with a DELL or a Mac or anything like that. I owned a top line powermac 12 years ago that cost 22 G's but my HD2 is 10 times more powerful, has the same size storage and fits in my pocket.
There are plenty of phone-computers that cannot be customised and so there is no scope for the problems that can arise in trying to mod a phone to make it do things an ordinary phone can't.
What's not to like?
Have to say when I got mine i was sooo impressed and yes for a while it was unconditional love.
Realised the shortfalls pretty quickly but they are minor and I can live with them.
However after 3 days the phone completely died and (fingers crossed) the replacement is due this morning.
C'mon vodafone / parcelforce ... make me happy again ......
GG
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Donated to my girl
(so she won't be mad at me for buying an HD2)
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Initial Analysis...
With just over 50 responses in, the poll results, to me at least, are a more accurate reflection of end user response to the HD2, with around 70% of respondees either liking or loving the device.
Interestingly, the modal response (just) is currently 'like it, but accept that it needs tweaking'.
Around 10% of responses are ambivalent and less than 10% dislike or hate the device. This tends to back up the suspicion that the noisy negative threads reflect the minority, rather than the majority.
The balance of responses are in the 'don't have it yet, but will/won't get it', where there is little to choose between the two responses.
I'd like to believe that the poll approach gives everyone a chance to state their opinion in non-emotive terms, so for those contemplating a purchase the XDA recommendation currently seems to be 'go for it'.
I'm also of the personal opinion that a 70% early adopter approval rating isn't too bad for a bleeding edge device that will only improve with HSPL/USPL and cooked ROMs.
Nice, i like your thinking and giving objective statistics to the crowd!
I'm going to give this a gentle nudge as I'd like to be sure it captures the opinions of as many HD2 users as possible, plus there are still people asking for opinions on the phone and whether they should upgrade.
As it stands, there have been 73 responses (I think 64 of those are from people who actually own the device) and the dislikers/haters number precisely 5 of that 64, with a further 6 ambivalent.
Unless a good many HD2 owners are so appalled by the device that they won't even register their vote it seems clear that the overwealming majority are happy with the device.
Wouldn't be wonderful if that meant a bit more of a useful tone in some of the threads in this forum. At least the number of 'Kill all HTC emplyees, kill them all and slaughter their families, beat them to beath with iPhones' type threads does seem to have dropped off a bit...which is nice.
I've had my HD2 since Monday 30th November and I am very pleased with it.
I upgraded from a Touch HD and found the capacitive screen ( using the pad of my finger ) on the HD2 compared to the resistive screen ( using my fingernail ) on the Touch HD took a bit of getting used to. Once I mastered the new typing style required by the HD2 I found it very fast and accurate to use. I have not applied any fixes for the screen.
The only problem I have with this PPC is stopping myself from playing with it
In light of the threads that seem to keep being opened by those with an axe to grind against the HD2, I'm going to give this a nudge as I still feel that a nice, simple poll is the best, emotion-free way to gather opinion about the HD2.
I truly don't go big on conspiracy theories and smear campaigns but the evidence of 98 votes in the poll so far say that two users don't like their HD2 but are stuck with it and another three users hated it so much they have binned it.
Approximately 5% of HD2 users therefore seem to be accounting for an awful lot of noise, heat and light. Worse still, they are clogging up a forum that should be helping those of us that do like the device to get the most from it. I don't know about anyone else, but that's why I'm here, not to have increasingly petty arguments. There is an old proverb about a wise man arguing with a fool; very quickly it becomes difficult to tell which is which. Sound familiar?
I don't hate the iPhone - don't rate it either, nor did my wife, a convinced technophobe who is now very happily using my old HD having binned the iphone - and I don't think that people who don't like the HD2 are intrinsically bad people, but I do wish what appears to be a very small minority would have their say and jog on.
The fact that they don't and that they keep on (and on and on (and on and on and on)) making their points about the HD2 is suspicious, but maybe the poll is lying. So here's a bump - if you haven't already voted, do so now, especially the HD2 haters. Let's have some objectivity and balance instead of flame...ready? Go
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75% satisfaction and 10% ambivalent is better than what the iPhone scored in some surveys.
Gustopher said:
In light of the threads that seem to keep being opened by those with an axe to grind against the HD2, I'm going to give this a nudge as I still feel that a nice, simple poll is the best, emotion-free way to gather opinion about the HD2.
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Well I definitely like it. No digital device has ever wowed me so much that I didn't want to tweak it. The 'killer app' of the HD2 is in fact its tweakability (is that in the dictionary?) That's what makes it win out over the iPhone.
All of my frustrations are with the WM 6.5 operating system, and all my admiration is with HTC for virtually relegating WM to a background sub-system, where it belongs. (Don't hold your breath hoping that WM 7 is going to be a better user interface than HTSense.)
I've been trying to get a HD2 and not going anywhere. I've got two vodafone accounts (one for 14years, one for over 10) and they totally screwed me over in getting the HD2 by deliberately sending a Satio in my order instead of the HD2 thus removing me from the order list which I had got on the 15th, one day after the device was released.
They never then called me back when they got stock of course despite putting in several more orders. Even getting my PAC got me nowhere.
Sadly all vodafone reps on the phone say they love the HD2 instead of the iphone. I personally feel that vodafone are bullying people into the sub-standard iphone and especially 360 devices for profits.
What I did agree on with the vodafone reps are that:
Pros of HD2
a) Great large screen
b) still surprisingly pocketable (like TG01)
c) faster than any other device.
d) Battery DOES last longer than iphone (I got 5hours of iphone 3gS use on vodafone greece network with mild usage).
e) high-res screen.
f) will support WM7.
g) has more ROM space than many other devices.
h) You do not have to jailbreak the device and worry about apple updates bricking your device. HSPL lets you put in new cooked ROMs, you cannot even do that on an iphone.
i) Less jokey than the iphone. I dont see it as a serious device.
j) If you can cope with the technical stuff and the sheer volume of tweaks a WM6.5 device can be anything you want it to be!!!
k) it is not out of the question in the future to put android on the HD2 either.
l) Tons of useful software, not just gimmick stuff!!!
m) microsdhc can be up to 32GB now, just released in Times Square in Hong Kong. branded 16GB dirt cheap (class 6).
Cons:
a) SMS issue is worrying for a prospective user especially as the problems seem widespread on Vodafone UK.
b) Yes, pink camera issue, but i couldnt care less about it.
c) HSPL for official ROM upgrades around vodafone is almost like jailbreaking.
d) the tweaks and stuff is quite technical - and there is just so much of it!!! but of course this is also a pro!!
e) Battery quality seems variable. Some good units out there, some bad.
f) So much to tinker, so much to break!!!!
In short, the HD2 has no competitor due to the processor and the screen size and its resolution. Sure it's not 16M, but that can come with an upgrade.
It has the grunt for the future with the CPU, you have chainfire to compete with cortex+gpu, and enough ROM and RAM and you can tweak it to your heart's content!!!
I say the HD2 is a WINNER - I CAN fix most of the issues or ignore them, or avoid them just like i do with my E65 every day. What I can't get on another device is the screen. I do pray that I dont get teh SMS issue though.
I just have to make sure HD2 fits in my tight pockets!!! (31" waist).
I am going to have to admit that, when I opened the box and powered on the device, I was bouncing up and down with glee. And I still was for days. I stopped bouncing when a) it started hurting and b) some minor niggles reared their heads.
1. When I adjust the volume on the music tab, with music playing, it stutters and does not show the slider. If I lock the device or use a different tab, it's fine.
2. Today, after about a week of use, the much-touted SMS not sending issue struck me. This may be to do with me not trimming my message box - but apparently HTC are working on it and in the meantime I can disable the HTC messaging app and use the basic WinMo one which is still highly functional, and everything works.
These have reduced my enjoyment level a little - I paid £475 for this device and to be fair I expect it to have, at most, very very minor issues, but I still enjoy it, I think it is a marvellous bit of kit and look forward to HTC's fixes addressing everything.
chris_ah1 said:
I've been trying to get a HD2 and not going anywhere. I've got two vodafone accounts (one for 14years, one for over 10) and they totally screwed me over in getting the HD2 by deliberately sending a Satio in my order instead of the HD2 thus removing me from the order list which I had got on the 15th, one day after the device was released.
They never then called me back when they got stock of course despite putting in several more orders. Even getting my PAC got me nowhere.
Sadly all vodafone reps on the phone say they love the HD2 instead of the iphone. I personally feel that vodafone are bullying people into the sub-standard iphone and especially 360 devices for profits.
What I did agree on with the vodafone reps are that:
Pros of HD2
a) Great large screen
b) still surprisingly pocketable (like TG01)
c) faster than any other device.
d) Battery DOES last longer than iphone (I got 5hours of iphone 3gS use on vodafone greece network with mild usage).
e) high-res screen.
f) will support WM7.
g) has more ROM space than many other devices.
h) You do not have to jailbreak the device and worry about apple updates bricking your device. HSPL lets you put in new cooked ROMs, you cannot even do that on an iphone.
i) Less jokey than the iphone. I dont see it as a serious device.
j) If you can cope with the technical stuff and the sheer volume of tweaks a WM6.5 device can be anything you want it to be!!!
k) it is not out of the question in the future to put android on the HD2 either.
l) Tons of useful software, not just gimmick stuff!!!
m) microsdhc can be up to 32GB now, just released in Times Square in Hong Kong. branded 16GB dirt cheap (class 6).
Cons:
a) SMS issue is worrying for a prospective user especially as the problems seem widespread on Vodafone UK.
b) Yes, pink camera issue, but i couldnt care less about it.
c) HSPL for official ROM upgrades around vodafone is almost like jailbreaking.
d) the tweaks and stuff is quite technical - and there is just so much of it!!! but of course this is also a pro!!
e) Battery quality seems variable. Some good units out there, some bad.
f) So much to tinker, so much to break!!!!
In short, the HD2 has no competitor due to the processor and the screen size and its resolution. Sure it's not 16M, but that can come with an upgrade.
It has the grunt for the future with the CPU, you have chainfire to compete with cortex+gpu, and enough ROM and RAM and you can tweak it to your heart's content!!!
I say the HD2 is a WINNER - I CAN fix most of the issues or ignore them, or avoid them just like i do with my E65 every day. What I can't get on another device is the screen. I do pray that I dont get teh SMS issue though.
I just have to make sure HD2 fits in my tight pockets!!! (31" waist).
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I just saw your comment about praying not to get the SMS issue. Apparently, keeping your message box counts low will help prevent it - but I cannot guarantee it. if it DOES strike, there are solutions in numerous threads - the one I suggest most as it worked for me is disabling HTCs messaging app and using WinMo's own.
Yep, of course not all solutions work because I personally believe that Vodafone SMS is *shiste* service.
Interesting thing is that there are two SMS issues - slow browsing and display - which you can avoid by bringing up menu and closing it.
And messages staying in the outbox is something Ive had with my E65...I merely have to tell the phone to resend them and it goes.
Just to recap solutions I've seen, but not all work for SMS sending:
a) disable htc messaging
b) change to classic view, not conversation
c) set messages to GSM only not GPRS
d) disable 3G/2G switching and stay on GSM.
e) reboot phone and take out battery.
f) get a new vodafone Sim card.
g) get the phone to re-register itself on a new tower.
h) install HTC hotfix and/or later ROMs.
For SMS delayed view:
a) switch to classic view,
b) disable htc messaging
c) get menu up on random message and cancel menu.
d) purge your SMS box.
I must note that My E65 does this automatically - it only keeps a low number of messages in memory and automatically purges old ones. It also soft-resets itself automatically every 24hours. So S60 is not so special either - all mobiles have these issues. at least my E65 SMS not sending is sporadic.
MY HD2
I got my HD2 three weeks ago & loved it when it first booted up. I have had no serious problems with it since except when I tried to update the ROM, it keeps coming up: "not suitable for this pocket pc".
Either I have done something wrong or the phone will not update I do not know. So, it ain't broke, so don't fix it is the way to go!
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I got my HD2 three weeks ago & loved it when it first booted up. I have had no serious problems with it since except when I tried to update the ROM, it keeps coming up: "not suitable for this pocket pc".
Either I have done something wrong or the phone will not update I do not know. So, it ain't broke, so don't fix it is the way to go!
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You're either:
- Running the ROM update on the device - you can't, you need to run it from a PC with the phone plugged in and in bootloader mode.
- Running the ROM update on a PC but the phone isn't in bootloader mode.
- Running the ROM update on a PC but the update isn't for your serial number. (Try looking at all the ROM updates on the HTC website for your area, i.e. htc.com/uk)
- Running the ROM update for a custom ROM without running HSPL first. (Check the HD2 ROM forum - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534)
Hi !
My first htc was the cruise , then I went to Touch hd and Iphone 3g .Now I want to go back to htc but what I am reading on the forum is really scary
What happend ? is it complicated for htc to deliver a phone that works without all this bugs ? camera , sms , mail , the sound ,the keyboard !!
That is everything........and no uppdate ??? I am really embarrassed . I have been waithing such a long time for winmo phone that doesent have the limitation of the Iphone . Htc should be here talking to everyone that allready bought the phone but they don't
I am disappointed and dont want waithing another year , should I just go for it ? do you think uppdates will fix the issues ?
best regards / equalness
I think you don't need to worry about it.
No phone is perfect, it's interesting to solve all the problems of you, we can use soft or other methods
so don't hesitate now
equalness said:
Hi !
My first htc was the cruise , then I went to Touch hd and Iphone 3g .Now I want to go back to htc but what I am reading on the forum is really scary
What happend ? is it complicated for htc to deliver a phone that works without all this bugs ? camera , sms , mail , the sound ,the keyboard !!
That is everything........and no uppdate ??? I am really embarrassed . I have been waithing such a long time for winmo phone that doesent have the limitation of the Iphone . Htc should be here talking to everyone that allready bought the phone but they don't
I am disappointed and dont want waithing another year , should I just go for it ? do you think uppdates will fix the issues ?
best regards / equalness
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There's nothing wrong with the HD2, it's a perfectly capable phone and leagues above previous HTC offerings as it is those phones offered by other leading phone manufacturers. It's not 100% perfect, but xda-developers is your friend.
This phone is the perfectest there is out there Sure, it has some issues, but that makes it even more desirable in my eyes since I love tuning it. Problem is, when the only place you read about the HD2 is XDA you might get the wrong impression.
You want safe and boring, but still not perfect (some say far from it even), stay with the iphone.
Lol i know im re-iterating what these guys have said but
Seriously half the fun of this phone is making it perfect for you. I haven't even added any contacts yet and ive had it for 2 days Lol.
Hi. I'm also interested in getting the HTC HD2 for my upgrade. As I understand from following this forum, there are some bugs (the one that concerns me the most is the sms-not-sent bug). I haven't ordered it yet because I'm a bit worried. Do these bugs happen to every one? Or only unlucky ones? Will they be fixed in the future firmware update from HTC? Thanks.
p.s. this will be my first smart phone so I will be a noob at flashing ROMs (or whatever it's called)
Got mine - Love It - Hate the Bugs
Got my HD2 2 days ago from Vodafone - Unbranded and what a real nice
device it is.
Playing a video on this is sweet with the screen so large, Manged to watch
2 films on it while working on pc no problem.
Very upset over the bugs, I have the Camera Red Tint and today a few txts I sent didn't arrive for ages, txt was working perfectly fine so could be
something I installed.
If you love messing around changing things around in Windows Mobile go for it. If you just want a phone for calls and txting grab an Iphone.
You can spend hours just going through settings, installing apps and games on this thing.
Sending mine back to Vodafone though as the camera issue is bad, Will wait till all the bugs have been ironed out, 1 or 2 months, may even get a better deal then.
George
luffyp said:
Hi. I'm also interested in getting the HTC HD2 for my upgrade. As I understand from following this forum, there are some bugs (the one that concerns me the most is the sms-not-sent bug). I haven't ordered it yet because I'm a bit worried. Do these bugs happen to every one? Or only unlucky ones? Will they be fixed in the future firmware update from HTC? Thanks.
p.s. this will be my first smart phone so I will be a noob at flashing ROMs (or whatever it's called)
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I have had many HTC phones. I have the TP2 and also the HD2 right now. I have had the HD2 for a week and I will not go back to any other phone. This phone is great. I have not had any of the issue people have talked about, ie. calendar, pink camera or sms. There is also a ROM update already for the phone from HTC that people say fixed these bugs. My wife has an iPhone, I must say it is a nice phone and works great if all you want is a phone call and a text message. This phone blows the iPhone out of the water, the screen makes it so much easier to type with big fingers, and the processor is so much faster than iPhone. I say get it, you will be glad you did.
Well I just purchased an IPhone 3GS 32 GB here in Australia, just the other day as my HD had packed it in...., I'd been wondering exactly what was goin on with the HD2 as well as I was reading some scary posts, but since there was nothing available in Australia officially, so nothing with full warranty, I decided to go the Iphone path. A week with the Iphone and I've got to say there's alot of things that dissapoint me and and a few that impress me, having to sync with Itunes was something that **** me off straight away !!, it's limited in it's browsing of the internet, no true multi tasking !!, and the way that it's locked down by apple, and if you want to customize it you have to "jailbreak" it, which can void warranty if something goes pear shape, it's just limited in many more ways !!. However If you use WM 6.5 or evan 6.1, you have way more functionality and it's alot more like walking around with a PC in your pocket !!. Something I will say that Impresses me about the Iphone is the appstore !!, the myriad of content that's available is mind-boggling !, yeh, sure there's probably alot of it is ****, though there's still alot of great software there !!, and it's well organized to !!, If only WM, could offer something like that, and is it a fair critiscism that there is apparently no official graphics drivers available from Qualcomn, for the snapdragon ??, How are WM developers meant to develope for WM, when the processor maker can not supply relevant info to help them ....??
mahsu said:
I think you don't need to worry about it.
No phone is perfect, it's interesting to solve all the problems of you, we can use soft or other methods
so don't hesitate now
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I think that's quite a ridiculous answer when talking about a €500+ device (let that roll in your mind a bit longer, a €500+ device).
It has quite a few quirks and flaws that weren't nulled by the latest update, i've been using mine for 3 weeks now and i am really trying hard to get used to it, but the amount of crashes each day is quite disappointing. Luckily i got it for free by winning a contest, because i'd be mad as hell if i payed the full list price for it.
On the other hand, this device still has this enormous wow-factor. A shiny and speedy all-in communications center in a stunning form factor.
Thank you for the comments ! it really help.I will wait to see how the uppdate is doing ;-) ... and yes I like twiking but to make the phone nicer not to make the simple functions work as they should .The phone should at least behave as it says in the documentation dont you think so ?
Best regards / equalness
is it complicated for htc to deliver a phone that works without all this bugs ? camera , sms , mail , the sound ,the keyboard !!
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Camera - a minor problem that appears under certain scenarios and is easily amended, even without HTC's planned fix. Also THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT SPANS MANY MODERN SMARTPHONES!!! iPhone, Samsung, HTC, etc. etc... most phone cameras are cheap.
Mail - I know of no problems
SMS - a problem that affected a small number of users - has since been patched.
Sound - no idea. There seem a small number of people who are unhappy for some reason. Most are very happy.
Keyboard - there seems to have been a VERY small number of faulty touch screens, for the most part though this 'problem' seems to be limited to people who heard that the iPhone had something called a 'capacitivitively screen' or something, so they wanted one. They then wet their pants when they realised the differences to a resistive screen and cried a bit. Most people are VERY happy with the screen.
If you find a forum for ANY phone without complaints both genuine and pointless whining, congratulations, you've found a heavily censored manufacturer-run forum.
If you find a phone with no bugs, especially at launch, congratulations, you must have found a very basic dumbphone - there's not a single bug-free smartphone out there.
mr_Ray said:
Camera - a minor problem that appears under certain scenarios and is easily amended, even without HTC's planned fix. Also THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT SPANS MANY MODERN SMARTPHONES!!! iPhone, Samsung, HTC, etc. etc... most phone cameras are cheap.
Mail - I know of no problems
SMS - a problem that affected a small number of users - has since been patched.
Sound - no idea. There seem a small number of people who are unhappy for some reason. Most are very happy.
Keyboard - there seems to have been a VERY small number of faulty touch screens, for the most part though this 'problem' seems to be limited to people who heard that the iPhone had something called a 'capacitivitively screen' or something, so they wanted one. They then wet their pants when they realised the differences to a resistive screen and cried a bit. Most people are VERY happy with the screen.
If you find a forum for ANY phone without complaints both genuine and pointless whining, congratulations, you've found a heavily censored manufacturer-run forum.
If you find a phone with no bugs, especially at launch, congratulations, you must have found a very basic dumbphone - there's not a single bug-free smartphone out there.
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What a laughable reply, do you work for HTC or own shares in the company? The keyboard is RUBBISH, pure and simple. It doesn't matter if you're coming from a multi-tap, QWERTY, resistive or even another capacative screen....typing on the HD2 is a truly dreadful experience. The camera I can live with, it is perfectly acceptable for a mobile phone in my opinion. The volume, distortion and cracks/pops through the earpiece and speakerphone is a DISASTER and the text problem hasn't been fixed so far as I'm aware. There is no 'patch' which perfectly addresses the text problem.
The screen? Yep, brilliant.
sunking101 said:
What a laughable reply, do you work for HTC or own shares in the company? The keyboard is RUBBISH, pure and simple. It doesn't matter if you're coming from a multi-tap, QWERTY, resistive or even another capacative screen....typing on the HD2 is a truly dreadful experience. The camera I can live with, it is perfectly acceptable for a mobile phone in my opinion. The volume, distortion and cracks/pops through the earpiece and speakerphone is a DISASTER and the text problem hasn't been fixed so far as I'm aware. There is no 'patch' which perfectly addresses the text problem.
The screen? Yep, brilliant.
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that yours was the only opinion that mattered. Just because you don't have the mental or physical ability to use a keyboard, it doesn't mean that nobody else does. It is fine for me. If it was "rubbish" that would not be the case. Therefore, it is not rubbish. If there is any "rubbish" involved, I'd try looking on the other side of the glass screen.
The camera you can live with? Well whoop-de-doo. I tell you what, when I care one damn bit what some random whiner can live with, I'll drop you an SMS. And that SMS will arrive instantly since *I* do not have any such problems. Nor do I have any problems with my sound.
Perhaps you should learn that a sample size of exactly one - you - in no way scales up to the entire population (thank god!). Following the incredible debating example you have set, perhaps I should now accuse you of being a Mac shareholder?
sunking101 said:
What a laughable reply, do you work for HTC or own shares in the company? The keyboard is RUBBISH, pure and simple. It doesn't matter if you're coming from a multi-tap, QWERTY, resistive or even another capacative screen....typing on the HD2 is a truly dreadful experience.
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I've had my HD2 for 3 weeks now and I could not disagree more. The keyboard is GREAT, without any tweaks or aligning. As your comments, this is an opinion, not a fact.
sunking101 said:
The volume, distortion and cracks/pops through the earpiece and speakerphone is a DISASTER
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Again, 3 weeks and not one single problem with any type of audio on my phone. This sounds like a problem with your phone.
sunking101 said:
the text problem hasn't been fixed so far as I'm aware. There is no 'patch' which perfectly addresses the text problem.
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There is a patch that works 100%.
Sounds to me like you've got your knickers in a twist. If you're unhappy, send the phone back. It sounds like it's knackered anyway.
alwayslearning said:
There is also a ROM update already for the phone from HTC that people say fixed these bugs.
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where is this update ?? cannot see it anywhere
johncmolyneux said:
I've had my HD2 for 3 weeks now and I could not disagree more. The keyboard is GREAT, without any tweaks or aligning. As your comments, this is an opinion, not a fact.
Again, 3 weeks and not one single problem with any type of audio on my phone. This sounds like a problem with your phone.
There is a patch that works 100%.
Sounds to me like you've got your knickers in a twist. If you're unhappy, send the phone back. It sounds like it's knackered anyway.
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Well how come the SMS problem thread is one of the biggest and still on the front page if there is a patch for it? Anyway, that aside, I'd pay good money to see ANYONE enter large chunks of text on the HD2 at any kind of decent speed using the on-screen keyboard....without making more errors than on any phone and any keyboard EVER made. Either you have the world's tiniest fingers, you don't text or email a lot, you will defend shoddy products to the death for some bizarre reason or you're on the HTC payroll. I've not met anyone in the flesh who can get along with the HD2 keyboard. Not one person. The only few who can seem to reside on this forum.
sunking101 said:
Well how come the SMS problem thread is one of the biggest and still on the front page if there is a patch for it? Anyway, that aside, I'd pay good money to see ANYONE enter large chunks of text on the HD2 at any kind of decent speed using the on-screen keyboard....without making more errors than on any phone and any keyboard EVER made. Either you have the world's tiniest fingers, you don't text or email a lot, you will defend shoddy products to the death for some bizarre reason or you're on the HTC payroll. I've not met anyone in the flesh who can get along with the HD2 keyboard. Not one person. The only few who can seem to reside on this forum.
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You're acting like an idiot. I've given you unbiased and honest opinions and you've basically insulted me and called me a liar.
I don't normally do this. In fact, I've never done it, but you're the exception. I will never ever respond to anything you write again.
I wish you luck with your phone.
mr_Ray said:
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that yours was the only opinion that mattered. Just because you don't have the mental or physical ability to use a keyboard, it doesn't mean that nobody else does. It is fine for me. If it was "rubbish" that would not be the case. Therefore, it is not rubbish. If there is any "rubbish" involved, I'd try looking on the other side of the glass screen.
The camera you can live with? Well whoop-de-doo. I tell you what, when I care one damn bit what some random whiner can live with, I'll drop you an SMS. And that SMS will arrive instantly since *I* do not have any such problems. Nor do I have any problems with my sound.
Perhaps you should learn that a sample size of exactly one - you - in no way scales up to the entire population (thank god!). Following the incredible debating example you have set, perhaps I should now accuse you of being a Mac shareholder?
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A lovely, juvenile reply there. Well done. *thumbs up*
I don't own any Apple products and never have. I also actually OWN the HD2 so I'm not some internet basher. I thought it sounded fab on paper and couldn't wait to get my hands on it. OK so perhaps the audio problems on my handset are a fault - although others have reported it too - but the keyboard is surely the same on ALL HD2s? Again, there are lots of people on this forum slating the keyboard. So those of you who claim to be able to type perfectly on it and are more than happy to live with a phone that is quite frankly bug-ridden to the point of being unusable by business professionals....just make me wonder, that's all. I imagine a group of tech-crazy teenagers who must have the latest thing, not people who rely on their phone to actually use as a workhorse. I need to be productive and the HD2 requires way too much additional work for me to be able to do that. I am quite happy to tinker and tweak apps and I do expect there to be bugs on a phone, just not MAJOR ones such as an unusable keyboard and deafening call volume.
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You're acting like an idiot. I've given you unbiased and honest opinions and you've basically insulted me and called me a liar.
I don't normally do this. In fact, I've never done it, but you're the exception. I will never ever respond to anything you write again.
I wish you luck with your phone.
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Toys...pram...thrown.
Why can you HD2 fanboys not just accept that some people have issues with the phone? Unless everyone agrees the phone is 100% perfect you have a hissy fit.
I'm pretty much looking for a long term phone, looking forward to watching movies, playing games, surfing the net, etc. I've used Xperia X1 (was great for a while, but little to no official support), the iPhone 3g (quick, way less laggier than the X1, great for mindless games to kill time)
Guess what I am asking is, is HTC HD2 worth the buck? $500 SGD (About uhm 250 Euros) for the phone (incl 2-year plan)
As you can see from my signature I've had a LOT of phones in my time, but never been very happy with one for very long.
Finally , at least for me, the HD2 will be something I'm going to own a very long time to come. It really does everything you could want in a phone/media player/comms/office/game device...all be it with a good bit of the expected modding and tweaking that comes with WinMo And if you can get it as cheap as €250 then I wouldn't think twice, go for it.
But remember my analogy for having a HD2/Leo. It's like having a child.
You have the painful labour pains of paying for it (€700 in most places). The joy of holding it for the first time (unboxing it)
Then like a child, you need to teach it how to work properly (modding and reg editing). Also like a growing child, you need to put up with it's little annoyances now and then (the odd bugs that need fixing). After that, you need to teach it to be interesting, (add apps, themes etc) Basically if you're willing to put in the work it's going to be worth every penny/cent
Thanks for the quick response! Appreciated! Yup, one thing I love about WinMo devices is the huge community(Actually the HTC Community) which allows me to pretty much customize the phone Another question, is there any major bugs/flaws that I might be concerned about? Because I've wanted this phone ever since the rumours surfaced and the hype made all the more irresistable lol
Yes, the HD2 is worth every penny!
There are a few flaws out of the box yes. Some have speaker issues, screen over/under sensitive, pinkeye camera, and a few more, all of which can be fixed with some reg edits and a few cab files. You can find all the fixes and tweaks Here.
The only as yet unfixed problem is the SMS issue. Some people (not me) who have over 200 or so SMSs (why don't people use the delete button?) notice a slow down when replying. But who uses SMS anymore in this modern age of emails, twitters, Google wave, Facebook and what not Anyways for the SMS issue I think there is a workaround until HTC come up with a patch.
jagnet said:
As you can see from my signature I've had a LOT of phones in my time, but never been very happy with one for very long.
Finally , at least for me, the HD2 will be something I'm going to own a very long time to come. It really does everything you could want in a phone/media player/comms/office/game device...all be it with a good bit of the expected modding and tweaking that comes with WinMo And if you can get it as cheap as €250 then I wouldn't think twice, go for it.
But remember my analogy for having a HD2/Leo. It's like having a child.
You have the painful labour pains of paying for it (€700 in most places). The joy of holding it for the first time (unboxing it)
Then like a child, you need to teach it how to work properly (modding and reg editing). Also like a growing child, you need to put up with it's little annoyances now and then (the odd bugs that need fixing). After that, you need to teach it to be interesting, (add apps, themes etc) Basically if you're willing to put in the work it's going to be worth every penny/cent
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700 euros in most places??.. no way
But to stay on topic.. imagine when it is summer.. how will you carry your Leo with you?.. so I find that a better case in the package would have been absolutely no luxury!
Then you have the software flaws.. device.exe sometimes crashes the phone totally.. the htcmessage performance.. the camera... seems to me that Leo had to be released..
seems to me like a business decision.. release it now albeit with software flaws and fix them later.. it turned out to be not a bad decision
but.. if you use Leo with navigon (my preferred navigation software) then you will be in for a real treat.. the same if you use it to browse websites.. so as always it depends
on your usage..
Like Jagnet, I've owned a rather odd collection of phones in my life. I've never been keen on Smartphones as I was rather disappointed by them during my little spree of owning them during 2003/04 and was put off since. I went as far as considering "a phone is just a phone, nothing else" and swore by living in the dark ages by avoiding Smartphones (even though I was working as a promoter and technical adviser for Windows Mobile back in 2003/04 >.<).
The HD2 was something that caught my eye earlier this year and is the first phone that I've waited patiently for, it certainly was worth the wait! Apart from the odd niggles you get from the phone such as the SMS bug and the odd lag, the phone works great (lets be honest here, there are always minor niggles with any phone you get, even my Nokia 8800 Arte, retailing at £1100 at the time I got mine had awful bugs which took over 8 months to fix and there are still bugs that remain).
Much fun can be had with the HD2, the great community behind it (you are looking at it now ) and modding. I've spent endless hours customising it to meet my needs. After a few weeks of playing about with registry / system files and hard resetting, I've now got a phone that does everything I want, customed to how I like and works flawlessly...
apart from the bluetooth compatibility issues...
and the battery life incomparable to non-smartphones (however, the HD2 does very well compared to most smartphones on the market)...
and the marketplace which is in need of some love...
and having to change my handset due to a dodgy touchscreen within the first 4 days.
On the games front, you will be disappointed when comparing it to the iPhone but there are a few good games around. On the apps front, if you ignore the Windows Marketplace and Google around, there are plenty of places to buy good apps from. It's just the iPhone has a good app store that consolidates all apps into a nifty marketplace for you to browse.
Windows Mobile needs you to put the effort in ownership, but in many ways, I see it as a good thing. You get the flexibility to do what you want, on phones such as the iPhone, you are controlled to what you can or cannot do unless you "jailbreak". The iPhone is user friendly, everything is setup for you and for those looking to get a phone that does everything the minute you take it out of the box, it is a product for you. The HD2 fairs well with HTC Sense and it's a good starting point for HTC and Windows Mobile, there is still the horrid Windows Mobile 2003 look lurking in the background though.
Thanks for the replies fellas, appreciate it I am getting my HTC HD2 in a couple of hours, and I hope I won't be disappointed I'm pretty much looking forward to unboxing my 'child' (like how jagnet put it Most of all, I'm looking forward to WM7, though from what I've read it might take a while, but as long as it is worth the wait, I'm cool with it...
It really is like a new baby, because you will breast feed it every 2 hours.
Hi Ive had my HD2 for a few days and to be honest its been a difficult transition form my iphone 3GS which was very simple and easy to use but the 3gs is very basic and doesn't allow for real working integrations.
Its been buggy, very slow compared to the 3gs, the keyboad for some weird reason is of center which is a nightmare to type on compare to the 3gs.
The phone isnt as simple to use as the iphone but for some weird reason i still want it and still want to get use to its quirks.
I have another 10 days left to see if i am going to commit to an 18 month contract, just wish i new what the new iphone was going to be like when released in june.
Its like anything personal choice your will either love it, grow to love it (as hopefully i will) or hate it.
Good luck
Worth it?
If you owned an xperia then you have something to go on.
Leo is WM but with the HTC hardware & shell.
I used to own a Ducati.
My experience was, it was sensational to ride, no other bike comes close, but it had to be kept in tune and maintained. Riding it in the traffic to work would put it out of whack and it would need a nice long blat on a country road to make it right again. High performance and superlative handling made it a unique experience.
Where am I going with this?
Oh yes, performance and usability.
Clearly this is the fastest and highest performing pda phone you can get.
This, and the sense ui make it a great experience.
It is not such a good analogy as heavy usage doesn't put it out of tune so much as excessive poor quality 3rd party apps and too many untested mods.
This is partly why the though of an iphone full of crapstore junk turns my stomach, because if it could multiask, it would choke on the garbage it was running.
Sense iu means I can access what I need in a minimun of steps, but with wm6.5 underneath, I can reach down and tune it to do what I want.
Contrary to my analogy, the stock rom on Leo is pretty good, with a few fixes needed, nothing as serious as having to take it back to the store.
As a stock phone it is great, but it can be modified(tuned) to push the performance envelope and make it even more usable.
As a Ducati rider, I found it very hard to step down to anything else, and as a Leo user I'm the same.
The promise of simplicity makes me cringe as it translates to settling for mediocrity.
Mobile phone hand held computers were pioneered by HTC.
This is the latest evolution.
I love the Leo.
@Xaddict; Well said, I just got my HD2 and I'm loving it so far, knowing this community, I am looking forward to the the custom roms/apps that will be available to everyone soon (I hope) And regarding Ducatis, love em, especially the 948
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Hi Ive had my HD2 for a few days and to be honest its been a difficult transition form my iphone 3GS which was very simple and easy to use but the 3gs is very basic and doesn't allow for real working integrations.
Its been buggy, very slow compared to the 3gs, the keyboad for some weird reason is of center which is a nightmare to type on compare to the 3gs.
The phone isnt as simple to use as the iphone but for some weird reason i still want it and still want to get use to its quirks.
I have another 10 days left to see if i am going to commit to an 18 month contract, just wish i new what the new iphone was going to be like when released in june.
Its like anything personal choice your will either love it, grow to love it (as hopefully i will) or hate it.
Good luck
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There will always be a newer, nicer phone 7 months down the line....you have to commit sometime or you will never own anything!
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There are a few flaws out of the box yes. Some have speaker issues, screen over/under sensitive, pinkeye camera, and a few more, all of which can be fixed with some reg edits and a few cab files. You can find all the fixes and tweaks Here.
The only as yet unfixed problem is the SMS issue. Some people (not me) who have over 200 or so SMSs (why don't people use the delete button?) notice a slow down when replying. But who uses SMS anymore in this modern age of emails, twitters, Google wave, Facebook and what not Anyways for the SMS issue I think there is a workaround until HTC come up with a patch.
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Um, firstly there are NO current fixes for the loud call volume or call distortion problems. None whatsoever.
Neither are there any fixes for the over-sensitive keyboard. Yes there is a CAB floating around and it helps to a very small degree with text input but it also makes the screen less sensitive in EVERY app and every screen. This isn't helpful.
Secondly, SMS is still the most popular form of mobile communication....by a country mile....so to try and cover up the fact that the HD2 is severely crippled in this area is laughable!
We need some balance here folks. Yes the HD2 is fantastic for web browsing and video but it is shocking for calls and texts - the mainstay features of a mobile phone. Hopefully HTC will address these problems but it is in no way guaranteed that they will!
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I'm pretty much looking for a long term phone, looking forward to watching movies, playing games, surfing the net, etc. I've used Xperia X1 (was great for a while, but little to no official support), the iPhone 3g (quick, way less laggier than the X1, great for mindless games to kill time)
Guess what I am asking is, is HTC HD2 worth the buck? $500 SGD (About uhm 250 Euros) for the phone (incl 2-year plan)
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Well, no phone is perfect. But IMO, the HD2 is THE device that comes closest to being perfect.
It has some small bugs that will get fixed soon or can be fixed manually, there's different opinions on the keyboard and call quality (some say it's the best ever, some hate it) and Windows Mobile, just like any other OS (iPhone OS, Android, Symbian...) has its flaws as well.
But compared to the problems/shortcomings of other devices, the HD2 has very little issues, great hardware, great software - the closest you can currently get to perfect, IMO.
So yes, it's worth it.
Oh, and don't take sunking101 serious. He's a troll and a whiner, spreading FUD against the HD2 since the first day he entered the forum.
definitely (but i don't have the sms problem and i can charge my phone at work)....
maati said:
Well, no phone is perfect. But IMO, the HD2 is THE device that comes closest to being perfect.
It has some small bugs that will get fixed soon or can be fixed manually, there's different opinions on the keyboard and call quality (some say it's the best ever, some hate it) and Windows Mobile, just like any other OS (iPhone OS, Android, Symbian...) has its flaws as well.
But compared to the problems/shortcomings of other devices, the HD2 has very little issues, great hardware, great software - the closest you can currently get to perfect, IMO.
So yes, it's worth it.
Oh, and don't take sunking101 serious. He's a troll and a whiner, spreading FUD against the HD2 since the first day he entered the forum.
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Gosh, I actually thought you were making a sane and rational post until I got to the last sentence.
The OP is asking the pros and cons of purchasing an HD2. Therefore all pros and cons are relevant.
As for the HD2 being "the closest you can currently get to perfect" - that is your opinion. Not fact.
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As for the HD2 being "the closest you can currently get to perfect" - that is your opinion. Not fact.
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And so is all your whining.
On topic: yes, the HD2 is worth every sigle dime. And yes, it has some shortcomings (which phone doesn't these days with the speed they are propelled into the market). The only problem I have with the HD2 is the speaker volume which is too loud. But, I have to admit that, it got much better after upgrading to the 1.48 ROM.
Off topic: Maybe it's best not to reply anymore to the contributions member sunking101 delivers to this community. Saves a lot of time and yes/no discussions.
It's well worth the price .
I'm just wondering why people make it seem like this phone is so bad from the factory. It runs MUCH faster than any other Win Mo device and I haven't seen it freeze one time. I have an Android g1 on my other line which runs about as fast as an iphone in my opinion and I've never had any problems with freezing or anything. I got the G1 because I could no longer deal with freezing and resets from Win Mo devices even though I preferred them over droid based on iphone systems. But with this HD2 I'm very pleased. It basically seems to run even faster than my G1 and is better than the Iphone in all ways as far as I'm concerned with the exception of the apps and having to pay for most of what's worth having on a Win Mo phone. And this is without having flashed any roms or adding any 3 part apps which I would usually have done to a Win Mo phone the same day I got it in the past. But the thing is I just got mines this week so maybe what ever issues that may have existed when originally released might have been eliminated by now. Or maybe data/connection issues are based on what area you're in. Sorry, just asking cause I was curious. So what do you guys think?
I think complaints about data are likely location dependent.
I got mine day 2 after launch and it was part of the first dozen the T-Mobile store had in stock. So I got mine out of the "first" batch.
(And for anyone wondering, mine has a "red" reset button.)
I came over to T-Mobile after over a year with a Sprint HTC Touch Pro and the HD2 is way better. And I like being able to use data and voice simultaneously on 3G. Overall I'm happy I made the move to T-Mobile and got the HD2.
I used the stock ROM up till a couple days ago. I did not have any real big issues with the stock ROM. It's just that ROM chefs like NRGZ28 will ALWAYS make something that's better than stock . And with NRGZ28 being a T-Mobile customer with an HD2, I knew his ROM would improve on anything that could be improved. I also used to use his ROMs when I had a CDMA Touch Pro, so I'm familiar with his work.
So with EnergyROM, I'm finding that everything does run faster, but everything was running faster than my old Touch Pro using the stock ROM . And with stock my data and WiFi speeds were "OK", but with EnergyROM I can say they've gotten way faster. The radio on mine is 2.08.50.08_2. I've never flashed a different radio and far as I know EnergyROM does not include a radio. But as usual EnergyROM did improve on something that was already great.
If there were no custom ROMs yet, I would not be complaining, because with stock things were well for me.
If mine were not working well, I guess I'd complain too, but mine works great, so I'm just enjoying.
Mine had been running just fine. The only time I had freezing issues was after I installed spb mobile shell. Other than that it's been fantastic. No freezing, no connection problems. I've used windows mobile devices before and I really don't mind it. I'm coming from a G1 and I love the screen, speed and media options on the HD2. I don't even miss android.
Read the HD2 complaints.
Then look at who is doing the complaining.
Many of your questions will be answered.
Most the people on here that have heavy complaints could actually have a fix, yet just get all pissy about how they used to have a nexus1 or iphone or droid or whatever and never had "this" issue. I'm not one of the masses so I don't just complain, I find a solution then floss my phone to the world.
Fact is, the internet is a haven of complaining. Most people in the "regular world" are using the HTC like butter and have nothing to say. But when we get our chance to shine on the forums, boy will we get on the soapbox trying to get people to not only boycott a phone, but even whole operating systems.
If your phone is a little screwy, GOOD, welcome to the techno age asshole.
I'm getting really tired of people flooding this forum with threads such as this... opinions are NOT important on this website, FACTS are what matter.
And the FACT of the matter is... frequent users of these forums do NOT want to read endless arguments and complaints from folks who are incapable of properly operating a mobile device such as the HD2!
Honestly, it seems like there must be a lot of morons in the United States who have JUST NOW discovered the quality devices that HTC has to offer...
Because, truth be told (again) I haven't experienced ONE, SINGLE, even minor problem at all with my handset. NOT ONE!
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
Reignzone said:
I'm getting really tired of people flooding this forum with threads such as this... opinions are NOT important on this website, FACTS are what matter.
And the FACT of the matter is... frequent users of these forums do NOT want to read endless arguments and complaints from folks who are incapable of properly operating a mobile device such as the HD2!
Honestly, it seems like there must be a lot of morons in the United States who have JUST NOW discovered the quality devices that HTC has to offer...
Because, truth be told (again) I haven't experienced ONE, SINGLE, even minor problem at all with my handset. NOT ONE!
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
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Agreed. This is the best, most problem free, and fastest phone I've ever owned.
But this phone has attracted more WM newbies than any other WM device in the past, so we're hearing the problems all these iphone & android users and just alltogether non-techsavvy people are having adjusting to and learning winmo. They don't understand why it isn't dumbed down (and locked down) like the iphone or android.
I think T-Mobile is advertising this phone too much as and entertainment and media phone. This phone is not for everyone. But it most definitely is the most powerful and versatile phone out now.
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Agreed. This is the best, most problem free, and fastest phone I've ever owned.
But this phone has attracted more WM newbies than any other WM device in the past, so we're hearing the problems all these iphone & android users and just alltogether non-techsavvy people are having adjusting to and learning winmo. They don't understand why it isn't dumbed down (and locked down) like the iphone or android.
I think T-Mobile is advertising this phone too much as and entertainment and media phone. This phone is not for everyone. But it most definitely is the most powerful and versatile phone out now.
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I could NOT have "agreed" with my opinion any better than you just did here, sir.
Finally, someone to rationalize with... Jesus!
Anyway, for the record... I meant NO disrespect towards those people who legitimately are "noobs" to our community... I'm just having trouble understanding just how it is that so many people are complaining about such a masterpiece.
noobs need to get off the site
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I could NOT have "agreed" with my opinion any better than you just did here, sir.
Finally, someone to rationalize with... Jesus!
Anyway, for the record... I meant NO disrespect towards those people who legitimately are "noobs" to our community... I'm just having trouble understanding just how it is that so many people are complaining about such a masterpiece.
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everyone wants a phone to be perfect yet no one has a perfect phone there is no such thing as a perfect phone or anything being perfect hd2 is great better then anyother phone ive had came from the iphone and the touch pro2 to the hd2 both the toucch pro2 and the hd2 dont have much different besides the rom and the speed and the screen. those noobs that are on this site need to know that theres no such thing as a perfect phone and if they dont like it go return it its that easy.
The reason why I runs much faster than a G1 or iPhone is because it has a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, the fastest processor right now for a mass production cell phone in the US. The iPhone 2G and 3G only run at 412MHz, and the G1 at 528MHz.
Spec vs. Spec, the HD2 blows the iPhone (and G1) out the water, everything is bigger but doesn't always mean it's better. As a previous iPhone user (still have it), I love everything about my HD2 features, it just does things my iPhone can not do and it's jailbroken and heavily modded too.
So is it that bad? No, it's not but I do believe the product was rushed. I've had lots of problems with mine, including the data connection issue. If you read some older post, some of the people from Europe are having issues still that HTC has not care to look into (phone launched last year).
I think people (those who reply so far) and others are quick to turn a blind eye or ignore when people are expressing problems. If your phone is problem free, congratulations, you are very lucky (and we envy you), but to say "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!" is blantant lie. There are plenty of threads with info, pics and video showing off the fustration members are going through. There are people even make .cab to fix issues that should have never made it to a production phone (IE: Text Message timestap/server time)
Also just because other people haven't step forward or posted on a forum does not mean the phone is working perfectly, you guys gotta realize not everybody has access to the internet or know how to search, register or reply on forums with issues. I have a couple of friends who have the HD2, experincing problems and are far from computer savvy. I ask them if they've heard of 'xda' or 'pocketnow' and it's just blank stares, lol. So like most people do in this case is, call T-mobile. At least T-mobile is NOW finally understanding the issues because a CSR told me today they've been getting numerous complaints and T-mobile is looking into the issue (take it for what its worth).
Look, to be honest, I also think a lot of complaints come from experienced users who are used to the state of the art Flashed ROMs, therefore, any factory ROM is below their standards...I personally hated it because I'm in love with WinMo 6.5.x...doesn't make it horrible, just my preference...though I never "complained" lol...
There are many who will enjoy the HD2 those who have no need to make a phone call usinf wi/fi, those who do not mind the small battery & those who can remove core issues from the micro, it is a very nice phone but from my experience HTC pulled a fast one & I have no use for the HD2
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The reason why I runs much faster than a G1 or iPhone is because it has a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, the fastest processor right now for a mass production cell phone in the US. The iPhone 2G and 3G only run at 412MHz, and the G1 at 528MHz.
Spec vs. Spec, the HD2 blows the iPhone (and G1) out the water, everything is bigger but doesn't always mean it's better. As a previous iPhone user (still have it), I love everything about my HD2 features, it just does things my iPhone can not do and it's jailbroken and heavily modded too.
So is it that bad? No, it's not but I do believe the product was rushed. I've had lots of problems with mine, including the data connection issue. If you read some older post, some of the people from Europe are having issues still that HTC has not care to look into (phone launched last year).
I think people (those who reply so far) and others are quick to turn a blind eye or ignore when people are expressing problems. If your phone is problem free, congratulations, you are very lucky (and we envy you), but to say "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!" is blantant lie. There are plenty of threads with info, pics and video showing off the fustration members are going through. There are people even make .cab to fix issues that should have never made it to a production phone (IE: Text Message timestap/server time)
Also just because other people haven't step forward or posted on a forum does not mean the phone is working perfectly, you guys gotta realize not everybody has access to the internet or know how to search, register or reply on forums with issues. I have a couple of friends who have the HD2, experincing problems and are far from computer savvy. I ask them if they've heard of 'xda' or 'pocketnow' and it's just blank stares, lol. So like most people do in this case is, call T-mobile. At least T-mobile is NOW finally understanding the issues because a CSR told me today they've been getting numerous complaints and T-mobile is looking into the issue (take it for what its worth).
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I don't think it was rushed. The problems are no different than any other WinMo device has had in the past. But most people who are WinMo users understand this and come to this forum and together have come up with solutions. A lot of the problems have the same solutions they did on previous devices, so people who know WinMo know how to work around these.
You have to understand that WinMo was not originally designed to be a phone.... it was and is a portable stand-alone version of a windows OS... a full fledged operating system. It has had phone functionality added to it over the years. It is much more versatile and doesn't have the limits that other mobile OS's(ones that were built just to be phones) have. It is a portable computer with phone functionality. The other phone OS's are phones with some portable computing functionality.
T-Mobile is blatantly advertising this powerful, portable computer as a "media phone" and a lot of people who are not technical enough for a device this powerful are getting it expecting it to work like a media device that was designed to be an easy to use phone. That's why I can't completely blame all these newbies... they were thinking they were getting a media phone, but end up with something that's way beyond there level of technical experience. Hopefully T-Mobile will realize this once they get enough complaints and returns and maybe they will stop advertising it as such. But it will take them a while because they are making a killing off of them. But actually, I think the phone may be refined and user friendly enough for most users to get by with it good enough that they are happy with it. Otherwise, T-Mobile would be getting much more returns and complaints than I think they're getting and they would be cutting back on the advertising already. I'm sure most people aren't using the device to it's potential, but it seems most people are happy enough with it to keep and use it. The Sense UI does a pretty decent job at making the interface "phone-like" and user friendly, even though it does have some problems. Personally, I could do without the Sense UI, but that's a whole other post.
@ zarathustrax & @ Raadius: I may not be as savvy as most PC players yet I follow pocketsmart, wmpoweruser, & quite a few more & I realize how short of a time before TMO itself will unlock the HD2 & yes quite a few other ways to do the same but both your threads seem to show you have good reception with no need for UMA (wi/fi ). Now if as I'm learning, is there a way to enable wi/fi to the HD2, since my reception with TMO is terrible & regardless how long I've been following the Leo, I am sad to say I have to return the HD2 unless someone can show me a way to improve my reception. It is sad to say the only way I can find wi/fi is with a smaller screen & kb which is no use to me.
I will go to android if the snapdragon, battery, screen & reception are present.
I've grown through Palm OS into Windows, Android is to me freeware on my Windows OS PC. So again unless noted, I am sad to release my HD2.
I only had the phone for a day and got the sleep of death 4 times having to reset it...and that was without even installing anything on it. On top of that it wouldnt hold 3G and kept flipping between 3G and edge killing the battery off ridiculously fast.
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I don't think it was rushed. The problems are no different than any other WinMo device has had in the past. But most people who are WinMo users understand this and come to this forum and together have come up with solutions. A lot of the problems have the same solutions they did on previous devices, so people who know WinMo know how to work around these.
You have to understand that WinMo was not originally designed to be a phone.... it was and is a portable stand-alone version of a windows OS... a full fledged operating system. It has had phone functionality added to it over the years. It is much more versatile and doesn't have the limits that other mobile OS's(ones that were built just to be phones) have. It is a portable computer with phone functionality. The other phone OS's are phones with some portable computing functionality.
T-Mobile is blatantly advertising this powerful, portable computer as a "media phone" and a lot of people who are not technical enough for a device this powerful are getting it expecting it to work like a media device that was designed to be an easy to use phone. That's why I can't completely blame all these newbies... they were thinking they were getting a media phone, but end up with something that's way beyond there level of technical experience. Hopefully T-Mobile will realize this once they get enough complaints and returns and maybe they will stop advertising it as such. But it will take them a while because they are making a killing off of them. But actually, I think the phone may be refined and user friendly enough for most users to get by with it good enough that they are happy with it. Otherwise, T-Mobile would be getting much more returns and complaints than I think they're getting and they would be cutting back on the advertising already. I'm sure most people aren't using the device to it's potential, but it seems most people are happy enough with it to keep and use it. The Sense UI does a pretty decent job at making the interface "phone-like" and user friendly, even though it does have some problems. Personally, I could do without the Sense UI, but that's a whole other post.
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And this is one of the many reasons I switched to Android from winmo. I know people dont mind tweaking their phones and whatnot here.. but some of these things people SHOULD NOT have to do when purchasing a $500 phone. There is no reason winmo phones should STILL be having the sleep of death as long as the 6th version of winmo has been out. There is NO reason they shouldnt have implemented the timestamp/date fix into this thing BEFORE shipping it. There is NO reason the phone should be freezing on the FIRST DAY right out of the box.
I was once a major winmo fan and was pretty anti everything except it. But once I tried Android I realized that having to do all of these tweaks and flashes shouldnt be necessary just to get basic functionality.
Reignzone said:
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
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Care too share your mods? and registry tweaks?
Just got an HD2, I switched from an IPHONE, I love the device. My only suggestion for those who knock it... figure out what you don't like and try to customize it or tweak it till your happy. Its a Windows device and is 10 times more versatile than an iphone. Also, the ROMS that are available out there are phenominal. Start off with one that is minimal and build away.... I recommend the MIRI ROM with cookies mod.....beautiful!!!
peace...
I don't see how anyone could claim the T-Mobile US HD2 was "rushed" when it took what seems to be forever for the device to even reach the USA to begin with. And the T-Mobile US version has 1024 NAND memory.
All I can say is that I'm happy.
But I don't think you "really" know till like 6 months out when everyone has used a device for a LONG TIME and then we all can say how great or not great it really is. Of course we'll all see something else that catches our eye by then, but longer term use tells an even truer tale. So far though, almost 30 days in and I'm happy.
And yes, custom ROMs make a good device even better.
im a total noob when it comes to win mo phones.... never complained, but i've never been one to really complain..
i just dont like the constant 3G to E switching, but thats a tmobile and location issue.. not an HD2 issue..
I LOVE my HD2!
I don't know why, but it seems since I moved to EnergyROM, that my device stays on 3G more often.