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Get a Universal NOW or wait ?

Hello people. I hope you can help me here!
I'm from the UK. I've been looking for a PDA/phone for AAGES. The closest 'ideal' is the HTC Universal, or more specifically, the O2 XDA Exec.
I require VGA, WiFi, Fast CPU, headphone jack, Bluetooth, GSM/UTMS, WM5.0, SD/mini, etc. Basically, everything that the Universal has. I intend to use it as a phone, web browser, audio/video player and games.
HOWEVER, the thing thats stopping me buying is... well, two things. Firstly, its the SIZE. I've held it and tried it in my jeans pocket. My friends look at me weird. It's massive.
Secondly - its been out for a while now. I'm worried something new is around the corner. The closest match i can see is the HERMES. However, lacks the 640x480, headphone jack and has micro SD.
I would definitely appreciate some help in this sticky situation.
Regards.
Kev.

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Man, I wish...
No seriously. If you want VGA, options are virtually nonexistent I think.
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Get it now.
Reason: While the successor to the current Universal will offer true VGA and much more (also probably running WM6.0), it could be as much as a year's wait. It still offers more than current and foreseeable future options in many aspects.
I don't think that this Willcom es is going to be anything great, the specs did not boast anything to make my jaw drop.

Hiya!
when it comes to electronics, theres ALWAYS something around the corner!
While we all like to have the latest gizmo's and gadgets, I prefer to buy my items after the initial furore dies down. The last Xbox 360, forthcoming PS3, the PSP, various PDA's, PCs, LCD tellys etc etc have new designs and features every few months. If you waited for the next best thing you'd never buy anything at all !!
The universal is quite large, however, I 'usually' find it's users who are stepping up a little from having normal mobile phones and testing out PDA's who say this.
Because were' all so used to having much smaller phones, carrying and seeing the exec makes it look like a brick!
The Xda Mini S (and it's other names) is a good alternative for people like this - the Exec seems to be for more experienced and/or power users mainly.
Just so happens I have a brand new '4 week old' Exec for sale!!!
Cheers! Dennis! West London UK!!

vijay555 said:
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Man, I wish...
No seriously. If you want VGA, options are virtually nonexistent I think.
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Yeah they things look freakin awesome, I would get one if it wasn't for the lack of WiFi- I mean like why have a QWERTY keyboard and VGA screen if you can't go online with WiFi?

What are the names of the known devices that are to come out in the next year or so with similar or greater specs than the Exec/M5000?
I basically want to know what I can look forward to....

No one knows about a VGA replacement.
Surur

get it.
i'm still somehwat new to all this and got alot of advice before diving in and buying mine. i pretty much live by it now. really, the size factor is more a current perception of what is too big. i don't even notice mine anymore. it may seem an eye sore at first, but large screen it well worth it - like a little tv. really not all that big. i see people with nintendo sidekicks and such which is just as big. keyboard though no laptop, can really get you buy for majority of mobile computing. nothing overall had as many features either. it does everythign i need.....and i got my off ebay for around $600.

The prices of second-hand HTC Universal are falling now, so have a look on ebay (I got my refurbished unit for 240 pounds!). Then it should last till whenever the next VGA replacement comes out.

Yeah, you can now get a secondhand Universal from a relatively well-known chain for £300 with a 12 month guarantee if you're in the UK (which I prefer to do, rather than risking the whole ebay thing).
If you're lucky it'll be in mint condition, but in any case it won't be too battered and you have peace of mind for a year. That's how I've replaced my lost JasJar with a nearly-new Exec, anyway.
Back to the original post, I seriously considered waiting for the FS T830, despite it's puny screen but decided against it mainly 'cause I'd rather be stuck in the middle of nowhere watching movies on my VGA screen, than using GPS to find my destination with a 240 x 240 pixel eye-strainer.
Nothing else really on the horizon. The Hermes looks nice, but it'll be practically the same price as the Universal, and of the two I'd rather have the Uni. Of course, next summer there'll be all sorts of competition, but who wants to wait 12 months....?

sub69 said:
Back to the original post, I seriously considered waiting for the FS T830, despite it's puny screen but decided against it mainly 'cause I'd rather be stuck in the middle of nowhere watching movies on my VGA screen, than using GPS to find my destination with a 240 x 240 pixel eye-strainer.
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LOL agree. But then wouldn't watching "Lost" make you feel nervous?
The T830 looks rather thick too. But hey, that's what everyone says about the Universal.
And what shops sell second-hand gadgets? I know you can sometimes get refurbished items from shops like PC World (who don't sell phones, I believe) but they are rare and are often battered.

Touch HD QWERTY SLIDE-OUT!! PICS!

UPDATE 2/14/09- HAHAHA!! I LAUGH AT THE VERY FIRST COMMENT POSTED!!!! IT SEEMS OUR DREAMS ARE COMING TRUE WITH THE NEW HTC MODELS LEAKED!!!!! So i guess all of our hard work and wishfull thinking has finally paid off. The only thing to really worry about now is whether HTC will hold true to the leaked hype and deliver to ATT a touch Hd variant with a full qwerty in true Iphone killer fashion. I WILL BE CHECKING ALL WEBSITES FOR ANY NEWS ON MOBILE WORLD CONGRESS '09 NEWS AND HTC-RELATED PRODUCTS. If we dont see this screen on the leaked models at MWC 09 then im definitly saving up for the Toshiba TG01!! keyboard or not, a 4.1" screen with full divx support outta the box!!? now thats an end all to smartphones for sure!! keep ya posted on all the new pics if we get any. Plus ill try to create some better quality Photoshop pics of the leaked HTC phones so we may be able to have a better resolution. thanks all for the poll responses!!!
Update!!! Ok so ive been working on the 3D model for this concept. I finished pretty much everything i wanted to do. The look is there. hopefully someone over at HTC is checking these pics out. It took me a total of about 3 days to model out this phone. and it was fun to decide the final look. overall i would say it should be no thicker than the tilt. hopefully with new tech it will be thinner. aside from that i thought it would great if the front buttons were only visible when the screen was on, seeing as how they are not physical buttons. and maybe they could all be configurable to different icons, almost as if they were on a small led screen so you could give them a custom look. the camera is now flush with the back, which is how i think it should always be. maybe physical limitations are to blame for the official design. i hope all you guys like it. I might consider putting together some models of other concept phones in the future. maybe an Iphone with a slide out QWERTY k/b!! hehe. just kidding. who knows. hope you all like them.
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For me it is a fake PS and this model will never happens.

I do not think that they are will release a qwerty model as it is directly competing against the iphone and they do not want it to be thick.

I'm hoping you're wish will become true...
But we always want more... : http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/mobilerumours/8263

they are fake, I made them!! just wishing they will come true. someone needs to make thinner keyboard hardware and thinner slide-out hardware. my tilt still feels like a brick. and the touch pro? that is a joke. too thick for me. thats why i made these. my Dreams!

Thats clearly Photoshopped
I think a HD, with Qwerty will just become to bulky to be really really attractive..

Lord.Bachus said:
Thats clearly Photoshopped
I think a HD, with Qwerty will just become to bulky to be really really attractive..
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ofcourse it is. he made them just to show us and talk about it....

BAsocial said:
I'm hoping you're wish will become true...
But we always want more... : http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/mobilerumours/8263
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More infor about the T8290 here.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1378
Surur

And after they got the keyboard attached they will add a fingerprint scanner, tv-tuner, wimax, surround sound speakers and hdmi.
I think this is already one of the best phones HTC ever built if it is as good as it looks. The only true iPhone-killer so far I think. Of course they can build a phone that suits everyone's needs but first of all they need to beat the competitiors before experimenting. I will probably buy it next year.
By the way, on the second picture in the lower part of the picture the keyboard is wider than the phone, so when you close it the keyboard will stick out on the other side.

Great tazbo28!!!
As a happy Universal user I always have been looking for a REAL succesor of the best PDA ever made!: Universal
And this work you done it´s exactly what I call the PERFECT uni succesor!!
I don´t know if this will become real or not but I´m having hope!!!!
Congrats!!!

That's the phone I'm waiting for. Why would the iphone have anything to do with holding back production of this type of phone. They could have the best of both worlds with the Touch HD (iphone killer for those people wanting it to be dead so bad) and the Touch HD Pro (for those people who really don't want to give up the use of a physical keyboard). That's how you could kill more than just the iphone. I'll be waiting.......hopefully this will be born someday.

It would probably sell but....
anyhow, your lighting is all wrong which is why it looks very fake.

It'd be good to see the Touch HD have a QWERTY keyboard.

You tried but u didn't photoshopped it well
I just hope this could happen in reality...it would be an all round iphone killer + a wonderful piece of device.
Oh Jesus! my post got hijacked and now, the whole world wide web is filled with your mock up picture of HTC Touch HD Pro and rumours that the PPC might be coming... damn,this is what the WWW could do

mojohio said:
.......hopefully this will be born someday.
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I saw this on at least one other website and I don't recall them recognizing it was faked by way of wishful thinking.... doesn't take much to "start" a rumor does it.

i had a wizard and a trinity. My conclusion: the keyboard is not used all the times, and anyway too small for real typing. I bought a bluetooth keyboard but never used it....

The best PDA Fake I ever saw was done with a HP 4200 I think. They detached the touch screen from that tablet PC and hooked it up to the Dell X51v's VGA-out and claimed that HTC got a new supersize pocketpc / tablet-whatever thing. Very funny fake since they did it on video which made it look even more realistic.
If they would make a foldable version they could compete with the E90, that's a very very solid pda in that part of the business world: weight doesn't matter, just quality, size and funtionality.

It is true..why cant HTC make a ppc with keyboard just like the E90 - i mean the one that closes and not slide :-?

bjluv said:
It is true..why cant HTC make a ppc with keyboard just like the E90 - i mean the one that closes and not slide :-?
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See HTC Universal.
Surur

It's a great fake ^_^ A Touch HD with keyboard, should be street priced about $1200 LOL

Well, this sucks... new diamond 2 released?

I JUST ordered a Touch HD two nights ago. No sooner to I happen to log onto HTC's site and I see the Diamond 2 is going to be released. (3G version for the US)
For those that have the HD, are you happy with it? I bought it because I don't care about 3G, in fact, my present Diamond Touch is set to only use EDGE.
Any thoughts? I may just sell it before I even open it.
Thanks,
Mark

or you can always return it? Most countries have a return policy. Within 7 days you can cancel

I was due to order my Touch HD at the end of month but now im not sure whether its worth waiting for the new Touch Pro 2.
Anyone know when its due for release?

if you got the diamond (its not coming out just yet) a new HTC phone will be announced in < 3 months anyway. So why bother not buying one because a newer one is coming out. Thats always the case.

Im happy to stick with the HD for a year until something REALLY spectacular comes or at least something new thats not been seen before. I have no doubt we will get somewhere with the HD as it is and i have no issues with the standard ROM for most use. its purely videos that suck.
Im waiting for WM7 for starters.

I send my back because with the new devices the old ones get noe updates anymore
perhaps once in a wile a bugfix for one annoying error
nothing more
to get new features - sell htc device and buy new one
hail to the economy crisis
nobody has learned yet to keep customers happy

Well, that's wierd. I checked out HTC's site and the Diamond 2 isn't listed???
Wonder what happened to it?
Mark
Ahhhh, there she is.
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i find it hard to believe there will be no wm6.5 for the HD..... i mean the specifications of the touch pro and diamond 2 are the same as the hd. 528mhz 288 ram.....

3 factors are swaying me to stay with the HD.
1) 3.5 audio jack.
2) talk time is better on the HD.
3) Dutty has already had his hands on it. That's worth it right there.
Mark

it's smaller screen size so that's one big fault already and as others have mentioned with no 3.5mm, it's all bloody proprietary stuff and you know how hard those are to find.
Stick with the HD, it's still the better phone IMO, that's why you pay the premium price on it though.

the USA will be the last in line getting these devices... i'll have my HD (and hopefully some leaked official versions of 6.5) to keep me happy until a NAM 3G version is available toward the end of the year. i like what i'm seeing, just disappointed the USA has to take a back seat on releases... life goes on...

Stick to the Touch HD , you will not be disapointed. I have stock ROM and its working flawlessly. It's fast and the screen is amazing. I use it for video and picture viewing. And sometimes for music (I hear the new devices dosnt have 3.5mm jack, so forget them!)
WinMo 6.5 dosnt seem so important...What changed? IE7 ? use Opera instead, its better. File Explorer? Use Resco Explorer or Total Commander (i use this one).The home screen? SPB Mobile Shell 3 will be out soon using 3d (smooth effects) and will be far better.
WM7 will be cooked by some romguru on this forum when its out. You can bet on it!

Thanks everyone. Sounds like I will definitely keep the HD. Like I said, I don't care if I use 3G anyways so sounds like a winner for me.
I appreciate everyone's input.
Thanks again,
Mark

According to HTC's website http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/specification.html , the screen is only 3.2 inch. It only supports HSDPA for Asian and European countries (again) - same as Touch HD.
One concern I have for the design is the presence of the zoom slider directly below the screen. I think many users are going to touch it accidentally and cause unwanted zooming in/out effect.

I think the price will be the best thing about this. The original diamond was around $AUD800-900 released here so if it's the same price then my brother is considering it.

Before getting the HD, I was a happy TyTN II user. Sure I wished for at least VGA and a larger screen but I was content (with the technology back then). But when the super sexy HD came out with WVGA and faster performance I was interested but the lack of keyboard held me back till I found out I could manipulate the screen to horizontal for any "serious typing" since the landscape keyboard was almost the same size in length as the physical keyboard. Now with FingerKeyboard (the black & red) I am completely satisfied. I gained light-weight and thin and able to type.

I was in same posison, I seems to HD too

Unquestionably it would be the Touch HD.
.... and why ~ Well because it is here right now.
I don't follow the 'waiting game' camp of users.
I need technology now. The HD gives me all I need and some.

orangecrush said:
I JUST ordered a Touch HD two nights ago. No sooner to I happen to log onto HTC's site and I see the Diamond 2 is going to be released.... Any thoughts? I may just sell it before I even open it.
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Ask yourself,
Do you need a new phone now?... or are you prepared to wait the 3 - 6 months it'll take the TP II to hit the shelves?

Just had a look on the HTC site ... that pro 2 looks gorgeous. I am very happy with my HD but I am now a little annoyed. Got another 18 months to wait!!

HTC supersonic

WOW!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/htc-supersonic-for-sprint-possibly-spotted-in-the-very-very-ugl/
and notice it says HTC SSD test!! So 1GHz+SSD= Super fast
and dont forget Android!!

Something doesn't look right to me with the android screen. I have an HTC G1 and I've also tried Android 2.1. Wonder what the 'clock' app is for.
To be honest I'm looking forward to HD2 w/ WM, when it's finally released in the US. Android has a nice interface and concepts, such as the homescreens/widgets/app market/google intergration/etc, but I miss apps from WM6. I hope they still work as I remember from my iPaq.

I actually needed to have 3 options in the poll to answer with my exact feelings
I like my HD2 and im keeping it
I want Android on my HD2
This thing is Fcking ugly and would not give it room in my pocket
There thats better
Im also not sure how much benefit an SSD would be on a phone other than the larger capacity drive for storage .. Im sure we dont tax the flash we have in there for read/writes as it is ..

imo this one is ugly.... not sure if its real or fake.

By the time this is available, WM7 might already be out for the HD2.
The only real difference is Android (if you don't use Wimax). If WM7 is better than Android, then what reason will be there to buy the Supersonic?
And btw.: The buttons at the bottom are super ugly

I don't understand people saying it's fugly. Apart from having no hardware buttons, which I think looks better, it's exactly the same as a HD2 (to look at).
Incidentally, it's definitely not fake. It's been posted elsewhere, with different pics and official links.
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It's personal taste, but I hate those buttons. Hardware buttons are much better.

i reckon they gonna put power button on top

gsingh7 said:
i reckon they gonna put power button on top
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I'm holding out for the HTC Obsession....

freyberry said:
It's personal taste, but I hate those buttons. Hardware buttons are much better.
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Totally agree that it's a personal preference thing. I prefer touch sensitive buttons, but like hardware buttons too. I'm just a slag when it comes to buttons - I'll have em all

gsingh7 said:
i reckon they gonna put power button on top
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Nah mate - the power button is inside, under the back cover

if it's real,the only interesting thing is wimax,personally i prefer wm....

i will wait for the hd3 yeaaah

It looks okay. But I kind of prefer the HD2's hardware buttons.
I would never let this replace my HD2 though, I very much prefer having winmo to android. (For now at least)

gsingh7 said:
WOW!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/htc-supersonic-for-sprint-possibly-spotted-in-the-very-very-ugl/
and notice it says HTC SSD test!! So 1GHz+SSD= Super fast
and dont forget Android!!
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what is ssd test and how it increases the speed

gsingh7 said:
WOW!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/htc-supersonic-for-sprint-possibly-spotted-in-the-very-very-ugl/
and notice it says HTC SSD test!! So 1GHz+SSD= Super fast
and dont forget Android!!
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Where did you see the SSD part? I think you misread something... Actually, take it like this. You won't see anything different from SSD-like technology in mobile phone (every mobile phone)!
It's not possible for storage devices to be connected on an IDE interface. At least not in mobile phones. Otherwise, you'd automatically get a >200g weight.
So if it's a mobile phone, than it has a flash memory. Which is basically what SSD is all about. So from that point of view, it's nothing faster then the HD2...

I looked at android on the Nexus, but I went with WM on the HD2. I'm happy and not changing anytime soon!
I'd like to see some videos of it in action though.

what are difference between flash mamory and ssd?

I've had WinMo for eons and dog tired of it and wouldn't mind Android on a beasty chassis as the HD2. Also us Sprint users are usually shafted when it comes to cool phones (yeah blame it on CDMA) so if this eventually pans out then i'm in, although i was already salivating with envy that T-Mo U.S was getting the WinMo HD2.
Can't wait for it.

THIS is what I've been waiting for.
If Apple does not increase its screen size and resolution before HTC Supersonic is released, then I'll seriously consider switching to this
However, my hesitation would be there if the camera is as bad as Leo's (I'm refering to the pink patch hardware problem), or if the capacitive touch screen accuracy problem is not fixed by then.
Would keep a close eyes on user experience posted to this forum for a while before deciding. If it is as bad as Leo, then forget it.

HTC Universal active?

Who still using his Universal?
I do! and still loving it

orb3000 said:
Who still using his Universal?
I do! and still loving it
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Me too!!!
I’m still using 3 of mines up until I find a good replacement; I’m stuck on the open hardware and design. I really wish that I was good enough to upgrade the internals myself to something better. I’m waiting for D-two to finish up the bootloader so that I can do some full installs of either a light android OS or a Linux gaming/emulator OS.

Great mate!
Looking forward to get it fully working
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Me too!!!
I’m still using 3 of mines up until I find a good replacement; I’m stuck on the open hardware and design. I really wish that I was good enough to upgrade the internals myself to something better. I’m waiting for D-two to finish up the bootloader so that I can do some full installs of either a light android OS or a Linux gaming/emulator OS.
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Not using it daily anymore...but I still love the design.
Comparing it with the S3 I have now...day and night!
A shame the internet/browser is stone age compared to the newer android phones. Love the keyboard.
Had mine upgraded to 128 mb ram to get iGO8 running fluidly on it...have a lot of good memory's with it while using it while traveling trough the States with it! I will never sell it!
Just now I struggle to get the wifi connection connected...

I've just brought two of ebay I miss my exec! Plus one came with free porn!
I just wish there was a php/script editor for windows mobile...

orb3000 said:
Who still using his Universal?
I do! and still loving it
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me too...
glad to know i'm not alone hehehe
cheers

orb3000 said:
Who still using his Universal?
I do! and still loving it
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I use mine daily. I have it running Windows Mobile 6.1 with the HTC Diamond interface. Mostly it sits on my nightstand as an alarm clock/radio... but in June it went with me on a trip to Japan... and in early December it went with me on a business trip to New Mexico for a week. I put a TMobile SIM in it, and I left my laptop at home and relied solely on the Universal. It did great! It plays movies, sends emails, takes calls, surfs the web... and it looks so unique I constantly get asked "what IS that?" .
I wish some manufacturer would bring back the clamshell design, I think the Universal is the perfect form factor... the keyboard is awesome.

orb3000 said:
Who still using his Universal?
I do! and still loving it
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I just brought mine back out of the closet. Still works great; I think I'll use it again.

killed mine lately- but are trying to have a new 128

It looks like my use/time is over...
It's a sad day for me. My other hobbies, projects, and life have all changed leaving my Universals and related projects behind. I'm selling my last 4 Universals together on Ebay and my 3 Blue Angels. I had just gotten the one I always wanted too, the all black O2 Exec with blue buttons. :crying:.
It's been some fun years, I hope to see everyone if they ever make a HTC Universal 2, it's not looking likely though.

notime2d8 said:
It's a sad day for me. My other hobbies, projects, and life have all changed leaving my Universals and related projects behind. I'm selling my last 4 Universals together on Ebay and my 3 Blue Angels. I had just gotten the one I always wanted too, the all black O2 Exec with blue buttons. :crying:.
It's been some fun years, I hope to see everyone if they ever make a HTC Universal 2, it's not looking likely though.
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Just ordered the nexus 6 and still browsing the HTC universal forum... still have great memories of that thing.

HTC Universal has no more sound
orb3000 said:
Who still using his Universal?
I do! and still loving it
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I have had my Universal for over 8 years now, it has been a good device.
A few weeks ago, I popped a SIM back into it, and tried to make a call - no sound! I poked around some more, and my poor Universal no longer makes any sound at all, thru the speakers or the phone. The mic on the phone no longer works either.
It still sends/receives SMS texts, and still connects to the internet via Wifi and 3G, so it is still somewhat useful. If I can get it working again as a "USB Modem", I will keep it... otherwise, it may be time to let it go..... :crying:

Hi,
I bought one today (it was sold as defect device because of missing charger). Hope I will use it for some time.. I totally loved it when I was a teenager but I never had the money to get one (back then I used other nice devices but as you know - during childhood you never had enough money for that kind of stuff). Now I'm trying to get all the devices I always wanted to own (some kind of a childhood dream, devices like HTC Universal, Nokia E90, Palm T/X & Lifedrive and these things..).
But in daily use I have some other devices such as 5C, 6+ and some HTC and Palm smartphones.

I also had a problem with no sound - it was working only on headphones... till today I'm not sure what was the issue, but i tried to overclock processor, cleaning jack input and other stuff.
I am a proud owner of 128MB RAM version, but I don't use it daily

And mine still rocking!
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