I would like if it we could get a mod to occasionally visit the Galaxy S forums.
It is becoming ridiculous the amount of threads popping up in places they just don't belong. The Dev section in particular is the worst. People asking general questions, which may be valid questions but do not belong in the Dev section.
I was in there this morning and someone wants to know if an SD card is required for the phone to work. There is no valid reason for this at all. It pollutes the forum and makes it hard to find real information.
Coming across from the Dream forums where after years people have learnt what goes where and it isn't hard.
If the Mods are to busy maybe we need to start flaming and not answering questions that don't belong in that section until the general population learns.
Sirphunkee is the official Galaxy S forums moderator.
I will soon be joining him in moderating this forum myself, as I've just ordered a couple of these phones.
If the Mods are to busy maybe we need to start flaming and not answering questions that don't belong in that section until the general population learns.
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But then how will the general population learn that flaming is never acceptable, against the rules of XDA, and I will certainly not tolerate it ?
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I've read a few threads here lately where someone asks as question and thereafter gets berated by the members who consider themselves developers for posting a question here. I can totally see their side of the argument since this is a development forum and it makes sense to keep the threads like "Help with my app code" separate from "OMGWFTBBQ!! How do I unbrick my XOOM???". Those people often refer to THE RULES saying it's against them to post questions here and to post in the General section.
I actually don't see that in the rules.
But maybe it should be. I am 'guilty' of posting a question or two here, and I even read the rules first to make sure it was the right place to post. I didn't see anything telling me not to, so I posted here, simply because I feel that the General forum section is for basic questions. In that context, I can see why people do post questions here.
So, I'd like to propose a solution that I think would make everyone happy, and would help clean up this section.
A "XOOM Hacking Help and Advanced XOOM Topics" subforum.
This would be a forum where people could ask all the questions and topics that aren't directly related to the actual development and coding process, but are more advance than most of the topics in the General XOOM subforum.
Would anyone else find this useful?
Also, devs, if there was a forum like this, would you be willing to drop in to answer questions? I know everyone here who is not a developer values your knowledge and helpful insight, which is why people ask questions here in the first place.
Thoughts?
Ive felt a bit of negativity too here. One issue is we don't have a q and a section yet. We are so early in the development cycle for the Xoom. We are building kernels and we don't even have SD slot drivers yet! This is the time for folks to kick back, relax, and enjoy their new toy. I freaking love my xoom! I am so excited for the future of this device. All the fun will come in due time. Relax guys!
I agree. I'm enjoying my XOOM a ton, and I actually visit this section more than any other because I love to see what the great minds here are cooking up for the community. But, I can understand their frustration. They're trying to get their bearings on a new device, but are also getting bombarded with questions that bury topics that are actually related to development. I also agree that some of them go overboard and should take a chill pill. It's not good to have someone get turned off from this forum and its benefits because a dev snapped at them for invading their domain and asking for help.
I voted NO. When there are enough Devs to populate this section, then it will be useful, until then you are only fragmenting the people that make up the community. Until then I would think it best that questions To the devs as well as by devs would be at home here. Many devices never even make it past this point.
I wonder how many people that have developed or are actually developing someting for the Xoom right now, have been the ones to try to enforce said non existent rules.
Yes if your willing to manage moving threads around, because for sure thats whats gonna happen
Generally NO though, In other XDA Development sub forums there are plenty of "OMG I bricked my ..." and plenty of useful developer help... since said bricking, etc usually comes along with installing someone bleeding edge hack.
I understand the want for purity but it will take strict enforcement!
No.
Having a Q&A forum would be nice though to separate all the little questions, especially those that get asked over and over and over..
Wow. Split poll data. lol.
So, I guess the 'devs' should just be nice. Fair enough. Maybe the rules should be updated to reflect what exactly is allowed and/or welcome in this forum.
"Doesn't sound like development to me."
Hi,
I really don't understand the pattern behind the allowed post in the dev section.
What I'm understanding is that the dev section is for ROM/Kernel only : when I tried to post a dev-related suggestion,
I was warned that it was wrong, and was threatened (!). Now that iron fist is in effect, I think people are "scared" to post
anything related to dev investigation into the dev section, and now all goes by default into the general section when we
have some doubts. Which creates a new disorder, ironically by trying to force order.
The dev section is now only a collection of <10 alive threads about custom kernel/rom. Not really alive section with thoughtful discussion about general dev ramblings. I've found dev-related threads in the general section (see for instance android arm sdk thread, but there is other cases, I let you find it as an exercise ;-), where someone pointed out the problem "Omg dev thread into a general section !". I think there is a problem.
Because it's really annoying to see the dev section becomes a kind of closed area where you are only allowed to post rom or kernel, and without to be able to think about dev itself. Dev section, as its name points it, must allow to speak about dev related things, whatever are these things. And it's a mess when you want to search something dev-related and find it in the gen section.
Moreover, I don't like the iron fist policy, which threaten people to ban them. Threatening=Terror. Maybe mods are responsible too for this situation, where sometimes there is a lack of clarity. I'm not a newbie, and I've posted wrongly. I consider that there is a mismatch between the subforum name (dev) and the allowed content (rom/kernel only). Or if this is not rom/kernel only, there is a kind of quantic pattern, where you never really know if your post will be accepted or not.
For sake of clarity, I suggest to rename the dev section "custom rom and kernel", and to create a new general dev discussion ; or to open the present dev section to general dev-related discussion, without - please- threatening people to ban them if they are not posting something about custom rom or kernel. Really don't like this way to communicate, it's like mods have forgotten they were newbies some time ago posting in the wrong section. Educating people by threatening them : I don't believe that it works. Whatever.
That was my iron fist on the iron fist.
The development section is for posting actual development not questions about development or asking why eclipse isn't ported to ARM. If you have a development question then there is a question and answer forum. If you want to talk about apps and their development then post in apps and themes. The development section is for the development of roms and kernels and the actual tools for development.
As has been said 100's of times this is not a democracy and this is not for customer service. All anyone has to do is read the forum rules and search a little before posting the same question over and over again.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249254
If that thread was actual developing of eclipse on arm then it would be development but its just a poll to see if the developers of eclipse should port it to arm.
HUGE difference
Ok, if this is not a democracy, but a dictature, I have nothing to add.
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Ok, if this is not a democracy, but a dictature, I have nothing to add.
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Familiarize yourself with the following:
FORUM RULES
XDA MANTRA
Another correct breakdown of XDA:
zelendel said:
XDA is a developers site
XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only
XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix".
XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.
XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.
XDA is not your friends house
XDA is not a democracy
XDA is not a place to make Money.
XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.
I have watched XDA become a place where every dumbass in the world has a smartphone and comes here thinking they have the right to anything. Well guess what? You dont have the right to ****. We share it because we want to and we dont if we dont feel like it. Are the Developers or the Mods required to make you happy? Nope not in the least. Wanna leave. Go ahead. I beg you, please do. The less people that are asking dumb question cause they dont know what they are doing (this is understand, but at least look) or are too lazy to look for it the better.
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Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!
What's your suggestion?
Agree, there needs to be an entire section for each carrier. General, development , QnA, and themes.
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I agree that things could be cleaned up a bit. I think it would be better if the "Original Development" forums were subforums of each of the Development forums. I like that the development forums are separated by carrier and that all the other forums are not, but there's no reason to have two completely separate development boards for each carrier. I also think some of the stickies in general discussion could be taken down.
jcbofkc said:
Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!
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I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!
Why does each carrier have two separate development forums anyway? The ones on the bottom don't even have anything in them really? I thought this was some type of error.
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Sorry. I should have provided the solution.
Go back to the original format when the forums were based by carrier. I know it would help new folks. As the popularity of this phone increases the problems will also multiply. I would hate for someone to mess up their phone by taking advice from a person on a different system.
Anyway that is my 2cents on the topic.
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I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!
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Agree, I have no f-ing idea what the "Original Development" forums are even supposed to be... the description confused the hell out of me. As far as I'm concerned. A ROM is a ROM. Why do we need 2 threads for vaguely different types of ROM. Who the F cares? This is the first forum I've seen that makes this stupid distinction.
I agree with the other guy that this unnecessary forum should at least be made a subforum of the development forum... or at best deleted entirely.
I don't mind the combined discussion threads, though.
I agree with separating the carriers, but the two separate development sections for each carrier has been around for months. It was that way with the SGS2 and works fine. So, yeah, the only change i would like to see is to separate carriers.
i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3
If enough people post in this thread, maybe the mods will reconsider the overall setup of the forums for the GS3.
x_SCOS_x_ELITE said:
i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3
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Dude, that signature is bananas... it's taking up half the screen (which looks even crazier compared to your 1-line comment). Just sayin' :silly:
My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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masaidjet said:
My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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Seems like a reasonable plan. I hope the mods consider it.
Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Might as well just make entire different sections like they used to. Including their respective general sections.
I agree with the idea what the original dev forums should be subforums on the dev forums, but I totally understand what the mod's were going for in regards to having a general section for all carriers. I'm assuming the idea was that it would create more of a community if we were lumped into one general forum, versus all being isolated by carrier. I wonder, if it was split up by carrier, if we would have gotten as much help from non VZW dev's who have come over to show us support. There might be a better way to organize things, but I also like the idea of a more connected community of SGS3 users across carriers
The other solution is to keep the QA, Dev, etc forums, but instead have subforums for each carrier. This way solutions that worked for all carriers could be posted in the main forum for each section, with carrier specific solutions in the subforums.
Galaxy S III Development
T-Mobile Development
AT&T Development
Sprint Development
Verizon Development
[Below all these would be a forum for development that crossed over between carriers, not necessarily for ALL carriers, but if there's any crossover]
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Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Yea basically that's what I meant
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So what is the difference between the Android development vs original android development forums that are hear on xda?
Not much, both sections are full of threads with a bunch of questions and answers and off topic chit chat. The moderators don't do **** around here.
But to answer your question, Original development is supposed to be for developers who create their own code while android development is for people who take code from others and release it.
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Search is your friend, learn how to use it.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/