Dear Community.
I've one question...
HTC has a lot of Android phones in their product line...
Magic, Hero, Tatoo
But what is the big difference between them?
I only know that Hero and Tatoo have little bit more Ram and an other UI.
But is it worth to buy a Tatoo in stead of an Magic?
thanks
Terrorhuhn
Terrorhuhn said:
Dear Community.
I've one question...
HTC has a lot of Android phones in their product line...
Magic, Hero, Tatoo
But what is the big difference between them?
I only know that Hero and Tatoo have little bit more Ram and an other UI.
But is it worth to buy a Tatoo in stead of an Magic?
thanks
Terrorhuhn
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I'm not an expert of testing different phones. But here's my short review anyway. There are no huge differences, though the Hero doesn't upgrade to OS 1.6 yet.
I'll start with the Magic.
The Magic has two version, the 32B and 32A.
To summarize that, the 32A is a little "faster" can load more apps and used OS 1.5 but now upgraded to 1.6. Big disadvantages are having no 3.5 mm jack for audio, bad camera and multimedia support.
The Hero has the nice Sense UI (Rosie) but might have little lag on homescreen once you put more applications on it etc.. One of the neat things is the fingerprint-resistant coating so you don't have to clean it over and over like the Magic.
The Tattoo runs 1.6 and is much like Hero because of the Sense UI and it is much faster with booting. The design fits better in one hand because it's more round shaped. Disadvantage is the smaller screen.
You can modify any of these phones to your taste. But I think HTC has done a great job with Tattoo. The Dream & Magic are also good phones, but if you plan not to mod the phone I'd say Tattoo.
Just my opinion with some facts. The choice is up to you.
All Android phones are cool.
i could live with the small screen as a pocket suitable phone but the screen of the tattoo is only a resistive screen instead of a capacitive screen. Which is a big disadvantage.
What about the TMobile MyTouch 3G?
Where does the TMobile MyTouch 3G fit in with all of that?
And why does the description on this board only say "also known as HTC Magic" but not "also known as TMobile MyTouch 3G"?
Thanks for reply.
I would flash roms to my phone, so the UI differences are not so importand for me...
But when I do a comparison between... Hero and Magic (Magic has a Rom with Sense ui)
Am I right if I say they are then very similar??
greets
Terrorhuhn said:
Thanks for reply.
I would flash roms to my phone, so the UI differences are not so importand for me...
But when I do a comparison between... Hero and Magic (Magic has a Rom with Sense ui)
Am I right if I say they are then very similar??
greets
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Well, if you get a T-Mobile MyTouch 3G or some models from Vodafone also means you'll get PVT32B version with 192MB ram. And that isn't really good enough for a HTC Hero Rom. It would eventually lag (slow down) even with swap. PVT32A has 288MB ram FYI. There are pretty good Roms for this one, but from my experience with using Android phones I've never had problems with android 1.6 donut and 2.0 eclair. You can modify them a lot to make it look like the Sense UI if you really want to. Or ofcourse just get the HTC Hero...
shoemeistah said:
The Hero has the nice Sense UI (Rosie) but might have little lag on homescreen once you put more applications on it etc.. One of the neat things is the fingerprint-resistant coating so you don't have to clean it over and over like the Magic.
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I thought HTC already released an update to fix any lag on the phone.
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Where does the TMobile MyTouch 3G fit in with all of that?
And why does the description on this board only say "also known as HTC Magic" but not "also known as TMobile MyTouch 3G"?
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The mt3g is the same
the reason it say also known as the magic is because that is the real name of htc's phone
they use sapphire because thats what its called in the coding
the mt3g is just what tmobile decided to call it because they seem to be the only one's with a contract to switch htc's names (htc now wants to brand themselves so we'll see how much longer that last)...
the difference in the names really doesnt matter... it come down to what type of board you have 32a/32b
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I thought HTC already released an update to fix any lag on the phone.
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Yes that might be.
I'm not that up to date with the Hero, I heard people have had problems with it and not sure if that's fixed by now, that's why I said 'might'.
Other than that what about the motorola droid, that looks good, all metal casing.
Radio differences
pack: Thanks for the reply!
I suppose there are radio differences too since there seems to be a lot of variation in how carriers handle 3G, at least in terms of frequencies used. TMobile and AT&T in the US do 3G differently and it seems that carriers in Europe and Asia have other ways. I don't know, though, if each 3G carrier's version of the Sapphire has an internal name at HTC for differentiation.
It would be great, though, if HTC started coming out with phones that had radios capable of being used on any GSM network, including data at 3G speeds, because everyone I know in the US with a 3G phone that was unlocked and moved from TMobile to AT&T, or vice versa, has to live with 2G data speeds on the other network. Is this the case in Europe too when switching between carriers or moving between countries? Or has 3G data been standardized there?
I would not recommend the Tattoo simply based on it's resistive screen.
The HTC Hero is the best Android offering so far from HTC. If you can get your hands on a HTC Magic 32A version it's just about identical hardware-wise to an HTC Hero.
Related
This is thread about porting the ORIGINAL ROM of HTC HERO that HTC announced in its event on 24th June...........
Any one who gets hold of the ROM please upload it here so that the devs can start porting ...
The ROM that original firmware has is slight different and it seemed to be much more complete and smoother....
THE ROM IS NOT YET THERE>>> THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION
If this a discussion thread then i will move it to general, thanks for the clarification
i cant wait until we get it. hopefully Haykuro shows up with it out of the blue and becomes our Hero.
How does everyone think the Sense UI Rom will run on our G1s? Do you think it will be as fast as it was in the Hero Demo or will it be slightly slower than that because the Dream has less ROM/RAM vs the Hero?
im sure that it will be faster than our current hero rom with a2sd. It might be a little slower but i dont think it should be that noticeable of a difference.
it should be able to run well...swapper will make up for the ram we dont have and a class 6 card will also help our cause.
HTC Hero G3 Released to T-mobile and G1 update
looks like T-mobile will Released Hero by November and December and
will released the flash player to all G1 (OTA UPDATE)
update code Name: flash (V2.0) update..
"HTC's Sense UI not coming to any "Google" branded phones"
We've got some good and bad news... mostly bad, though. First, the good news: HTC is looking into finding a way to bring its new Sense UI -- the one featured prominently in the new Hero -- to its non-Google branded Android devices, such as Canadian carrier Roger Wireless' Magic. Unfortunately, and this is the bad news, even that's not a sure thing, and as you can probably guess from the wording, any phone that's got the "with Google" branding, like T-Mobile USA's G1 and myTouch 3G, won't be getting a chance at all due to the same licensing terms that prevented Microsoft Exchange clients on those same phones. Them's the breaks, folks, but we're sure some hacker with enough know-how will bypass the silly restrictions and do it anyway.
taken from - http://www.engadget.com/ -
well until the Rogers phones get rooted, they better not leave out the Dream on Rogers or I'm going to be rather upset.
Of cousre I'll take root and a hacked ROM any day
Rosco911 said:
"HTC's Sense UI not coming to any "Google" branded phones"
We've got some good and bad news... mostly bad, though. First, the good news: HTC is looking into finding a way to bring its new Sense UI -- the one featured prominently in the new Hero -- to its non-Google branded Android devices, such as Canadian carrier Roger Wireless' Magic. Unfortunately, and this is the bad news, even that's not a sure thing, and as you can probably guess from the wording, any phone that's got the "with Google" branding, like T-Mobile USA's G1 and myTouch 3G, won't be getting a chance at all due to the same licensing terms that prevented Microsoft Exchange clients on those same phones. Them's the breaks, folks, but we're sure some hacker with enough know-how will bypass the silly restrictions and do it anyway.
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heh this isn't much to worry about. as soon as someone gets hold of the phone, it's only a matter of doing a "adb pull /system system" and uploading it somewhere for us to be able to grab it and run with it
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well until the Rogers phones get rooted, they better not leave out the Dream on Rogers or I'm going to be rather upset.
Of cousre I'll take root and a hacked ROM any day
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why not both? ;P
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heh this isn't much to worry about. as soon as someone gets hold of the phone, it's only a matter of doing a "adb pull /system system" and uploading it somewhere for us to be able to grab it and run with it
why not both? ;P
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This is why I love xda
does anyone think that this could be done without root, similar to the manual update for T-Mobile 1.5? Maybe you could just edit the contents of T-Mobile 1.5 to add the UI changes?
I really doubt it, if it were possible I think we would've done that with some of the ROMs that have been released. You're on a developer website, you have to take some risks because this is "in development' not finished.
as I stated in another thread, HTC is not bringing sense to "with Google" branded phones, however, there are non google dreams out there, I think roger's is one of them. Once rogers gets rosie, it's gonna be an easy port to any dream rom.
Anyway, if somebody dumps a hero rom, there shouldn't be a reason why it wouldn't run on Dream. Hero is comparable in hardware (memory size and storage capacity) to the sapphire, so it'd only be a matter of making rosie run in less memory (192 vs 288) and fit in a smaller space (256 vs 512). The processors by Qualcomm on both devices are very similar, the hero's being a revision of dream's and sapphire's processors, and they both share the same arm11 core. Both processors are capable of running at 528mhz, so, really, there's very little difference between both devices. Again, a rogers dream port would be better, but Hero port will still work fine on dream
HI guys,
looking to sell my iphone and come back to HTC!!!
wondering if there any big difference between the magic capabilities to the hero?
can the hero's rom be fully flashed to the magic? is there anything the hero can do the magic cant?
i really like the hero features but love the magic's look
thanks for your help
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i really like the hero features but love the magic's look
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My advice is that if you prefer the Magics look, get the Magic.
However, you need to be a little careful as there are essentially two versions of the Magic. One of them has 288mb RAM (same as the Hero) and the other only 192mb RAM. I would avoid the latter if possible.
Other than that, the only other real difference between the Magic and the Hero (given that SenseUI is now available for the Magic) is that the Magic's camera is 3.2MP vs 5MP on the Hero. However, this isn't really much of an issue as both cameras are pretty naff to be honest!
Any ROMs you find in these forums are for Hero only - you should never try to flash a Hero ROM on a Magic or vice versa. Note though that many Magic ROMs are based on Hero ROMs, so it is quite common to find Magic ROMs with "Hero" in the title.
Regards,
Dave
Hero is surrounded by Black Magic and White Magic!
foxmeister gave good advice.
Hero has also got a 3,5mill audio jack.
I used to want the magic too because of the looks. But when I saw the brown Hero in reality, I have chansged my mind, because it looked so neat and cute. And the Magic looked worse than in pictures - you can't really notice those mouldy lines.
Hero has also got a 3,5mill audio jack.
I used to want the magic too because of the looks. But when I saw the brown Hero in reality, I have chansged my mind, because it looked so neat and cute. And the Magic looked worse than in pictures - you can't really notice those mouldy lines.
thanks guys, hero it is!!
just wondering can you access the root of the phone like a normal htc or is it like a iphoen where its locked down? thats what i dont like about the iphone is limited capabilities
also how difficult is it to unlock?
also consider battery life.
Hero's is much much better than Magic!
(talking about HTC Hero)
You can root the hero easy, flash whatever you like, the cooking community is just starting to find it's feet as things have been a little slow with the hero- kernel code only just released and all that.
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Hero has also got a 3,5mill audio jack.
I used to want the magic too because of the looks. But when I saw the brown Hero in reality, I have chansged my mind, because it looked so neat and cute. And the Magic looked worse than in pictures - you can't really notice those mouldy lines.
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That was true but the limited edition Magic Fender edition also get a 3.5mm jack.
the fender edition magic is a mt3g so only 192mb ram so no sense
Guys big thansk for all th advice
im now the proud owner of a hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cid and sim unlocked it, got modaco running which is cool
have to say this seems like the perfect balance between windows and iphone!
windows was boring me hence i went to iphone, but that was too restrictive, although very smooth.
Hero looks good for now!
patterns said:
Guys big thansk for all th advice
im now the proud owner of a hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cid and sim unlocked it, got modaco running which is cool
have to say this seems like the perfect balance between windows and iphone!
windows was boring me hence i went to iphone, but that was too restrictive, although very smooth.
Hero looks good for now!
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Congrats!!
good choice, the more of us - the better!
just broke my phone, and now need to get either a dream or sapphire. but had some questions
dose the cam work on 2.0/ 2.0.1/droid or hero
dose the hero rom lag like it dose on the g1?
and when rooting do you have to use ADB because there is no keyboard?
thanks for any help on this.
Get a hero or droid
haha
just get a droid or a hero bro. Unless you're cool running cyan or some other 1.6-2.0 rom. Any hero on my mytouch hasnt proven to be a daily user. albeit im a novice at best, but if you're asking then i would assume you're no pro.
My two cents
there are several hero roms that are daily users here. The only problem is, it is not going to be as snappy as a modded-stock rom like Cyanogen. If you set your phone up right, there is no reason why most of these roms could not be daily users.
Qtek and Ttran001 have great 32B roms IMO that are great for daily use.
wouldnt say im a pro, just dont have the time anymore to keep up on everything, but i have been flashin roms on the g1 since the beginning. never got onto the sapphire boards, so just tryin to get some more info before i decide.
what i know is that the Sapphire has more ram than the g1 so that makes me wonder about the speed. I noticed that on some roms they dont use Swap when they are used with the 32a.
just wonderin more on what changes from one to another.
the 32B has the same ram as the G1. The 32A has the same ram as the Hero. That's why there is no need for the linux swap.
It all depends on the phone you are going to get. MyTouch and Google Ion, etc. are 32B. HTC Magic's are 32A.
ok well i guess the big question is dose the cam work on 2.0 roms?
im guessing that the cams are both the same but was looking at a 2.0 rom made for the sapphire only and it didnt say that it didnt work.
G1 or Sapphire
Is the sapphire as good as the dream as far as capabilities. I had a G1 and loved it but unfortunately i dropped it off a roof at work. I was pretty familiar with all the featres and was using a Cyan ROM. Is the sapphire as versatile as the Dream?
2.01 roms on saphire
I have been using manups 2.01 eclair rom on my saphire 32b for about a week now and have been quite surprised at the speed and funcitonality differences. Unfortunatly the camera does not work, but i am sure manup will fix this. But overall I am very happy with the saphire/mytouch.
i recommend the magic to you, it's just so much better looking than the dream. to help you with your rom questions: it's only a matter of time, til the first 2.0 oder 2.1 rom, which supports camera and all the other beautiful features, will be released. for now, i've been using "crusorsense"-rom (a sense-ui/"hero" rom) for about three weeks. it's the best rom i've ever seen! battery life and performance are even better than while using orignal rom.
There isn't any Android 2.0+ camera or bluetooth driver for the Sapphire yet. And we probably have to wait for a HTC update with those before any developers will make these work.
But why not get a NexusOne or a Droid instead ?
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there are several hero roms that are daily users here. The only problem is, it is not going to be as snappy as a modded-stock rom like Cyanogen. If you set your phone up right, there is no reason why most of these roms could not be daily users.
Qtek and Ttran001 have great 32B roms IMO that are great for daily use.
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It depends what you expect from daily use ... I use bluetooth every day so it makes it impossible for me to use any hero roms.
As for Android 2.0 bluetooth is working and someone has the camera working in the dream development forum, they compiled their own driver using some of the 1.6 binary and a bit of guesswork and got it working, camcorder does not work yet but it won't be long before this makes its way to 2.0 roms (sapphire uses the same driver). The graphics acceleration still sucks though, making it jerky to swipe on launcher screens as well as anything else that uses gpu (which is what is stopping me from moving to a 2.0 rom)
I second what ronni.rasmussen said, why not get a Nexus One or Moto Droid? Or even an HTC Hero or Droid Eris. There are a lot of better handsets out now that leave the dream and sapphire a long way behind in terms of specs.
Btw sorry to be a nitpicking bastard but not all HTC Magic's are not 32A, it depends on where in the world you buy your phone and on what carrier. I have an HTC Magic and it is a 32B.
Hi i currently have one HTC Tattoo and i'm quite happy with it but for 60€ diference i could switch to an HTC Magic (HTC Sapphire: myTouch 3G, Magic) .
Would i have a huge difference switching to HTC Magic or would it be minimal?
Thanks for you help
i personally bought Tattoo for the fact than i can make it look diferent from the rest and it's smaller than hero and nexus and it's not geeky like them! now thanks to the developers that worked on Tattoo I think it's not a big difference betwen magic and al the others...
Bikers said:
i personally bought Tattoo for the fact than i can make it look diferent from the rest and it's smaller than hero and nexus and it's not geeky like them! now thanks to the developers that worked on Tattoo I think it's not a big difference betwen magic and al the others...
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Now that the Magic has Sense UI, go for it!
In performance terms there's much difference?
The screen is bigger and better resolution. I own a tattoo and like its relative smallness but I think the magic is also better looks wise.
Maybe you could hold on for a month and get either the desire or legend. I am looking at one of these as my next phone.
Maybe i'll play for now with my tattoo and then go for something more powerfull since i dont know the platform that well.
The tattoo lags a little sometimes when i scroll, hope that's fixable in android 2.0 or 2.1
That isn't something that needs to be fixed on the OS itself. Even if your phone has a faster processor, then it'll run smoothly on 1.6 also.
Hey i have a htc TATTOO RUNNING 1.6 and i am tiered of it is there a way to get 2.0 or 2.x pls tell me how u cn do it or where i cn get the file my email address is [email protected]
The difference between then are the screen dimension an better resolution. the rest are the same. Tattoo beats Magic at birth day, the little Android it's newer and the only HTC device with customizable cases.
OK, so the MyTouch and the HTC Magic at Rogers (http://www.htc.com/us/support/magic-rogers/downloads/) look like exactly the same phone - but the rogers has had a 2.1 + Sense UI update and its faster than any other Sense UI rom here at xda.
What are the differences between these two phones? Can we port over the rogers 1.5 w/ Sense UI to get the fastest Sense UI rom on the MT3G?
Is it against the forum rules to ask a Rogers user for their serial number so I can download the update from HTC's website and work on porting it myself? If not, would anyone be willing to PM me their serial so I can get to work on it?
The thing is - speed has always been an issue with sense roms - the rogers has other bugs but maybe the speed increases would be enough for users to start using this rom (if we could cut it) and then we can fix all the bugs HTC won't fix in it. And yes, I know this is based off of 1.5 - but its also written specifically for similar hardware. - Granted, I understand the difference in RAM between the 32a and 32b devices (288 vs 192)
Isn't Cursorsense already based on the Rogers rom?
it is, but its been made for the 32A not the 32B, 32A has more ram than 32B so we need a smaller, less intensive rom like the rogers.
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it is, but its been made for the 32A not the 32B, 32A has more ram than 32B so we need a smaller, less intensive rom like the rogers.
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Giving HTC phones Sense is based on the phone provider; ROGERS decided to give HTC Magic users Sense UI, some other people are not so lucky as each provider wants to customize each ROM to their own liking (adding their own apps, wallpapers, boot up screens, etc) and some want to add new features like Sense.
I hope people also realize that the update ROGERS put out was NOT 2.1. People have to stop thinking this; the ROM is still 1.5 and the 2.1 update is supposed to be coming out soon.
If you want a Sense UI, download one of the 1.6+ ROMS, ROGERS was a good ROM while I had it but there was too many bugs in the ROM itself; there are probably better, faster ROMS already out there that are vastly superior to ROGERS ROM.
hol17 said:
Giving HTC phones Sense is based on the phone provider; ROGERS decided to give HTC Magic users Sense UI, some other people are not so lucky as each provider wants to customize each ROM to their own liking (adding their own apps, wallpapers, boot up screens, etc) and some want to add new features like Sense.
I hope people also realize that the update ROGERS put out was NOT 2.1. People have to stop thinking this; the ROM is still 1.5 and the 2.1 update is supposed to be coming out soon.
If you want a Sense UI, download one of the 1.6+ ROMS, ROGERS was a good ROM while I had it but there was too many bugs in the ROM itself; there are probably better, faster ROMS already out there that are vastly superior to ROGERS ROM.
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The OP clearly stated he know it was 1.5...
To OP:
The ROM is a 32A designed ROM. I don't think any amount of tweeking will make it run better on a MT3G to be frank.
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The OP clearly stated he know it was 1.5...
To OP:
The ROM is a 32A designed ROM. I don't think any amount of tweeking will make it run better on a MT3G to be frank.
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The original post has an edit; I didn't see the last part until after my post.
Best Rom
search for binary100100 he ported a rom too the 32a (fender/1.2) but it is a g1 port with support for the mytouch original and the new ones as well as all the g1's out there..
on my friends g1 it boots in about 1 minute 30sec
and on my 1.2 it boots in under a min..
anyways its like KiNGxKlickDroidEris2G1 just search for it or look for Binary100100 who ported it and he has a link to the original thread
Dude... the thread is from may 2010!!!!!
the rom runs flawlessly, it boots nicely, nd with the CR_Slide OC it works even faster, the kernel frm the overclock puts my 1.2 mytouch at 845mhz
with an already stable nd speedy sense rom!!!
damn its fast with that kernel its booting faster than ever