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Android or moblin for TG01?

Hi, I'm thinking of how to port android or linux system to TG01, I do think it's possible, but not sure since I've never port android or moblin before.
Here are some of my thoughts:
First, a dual boot software might be used to ensure TG01 won't brick in case of port failure.
Then, can we dump the rom of Nexous one?
Furthermore, is it possbile to use the rom of winmo drives for android system?
Guys interested or skilled in android or linux system or , make contribution please!

The start to both (though it think that you were thinking of MeeGo not Moblin, which was x86 only) is a working Linux kernel.
HaRET is the tool to start the work on a working kernel, and a working kernel is what we need before we even start worrying about a dual boot bootloader.
Dumping Nexus One might help, but I believe it's not the right way. XDAndroid might be a nice starting point for the Android ecosystem, but not necessarily for the kernel. Otherwise I believe that there are some people that work on the HTC HD2, which is a Snapdragon device as well (though there are some differences (e.g. the TG01 has less Ram and most likely different WiFi, bluetooth, accelerometer or whatever chips)).
(I would like to help, but I am no programmer and not experienced with kernel stuff, but I could help with setting up a wiki and trying out stuff)

Please please please have a go. I can't help with anything except a small donation, as the reason I'm going to buy a TG01 is purely because I can't afford an HTC phone at the moment. I was really happy to see a section on the TG1 on here, which was the other reason I decided to go non-HTC.

Thanks to all of you. I can't accept any donation now.
Is there anybody want to set up such a project to port android on TG01?

I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter

dogguns said:
I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter
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maybe we need to make a detailed research first and then figure out a way to start

in my opinion it would be great.
I played with HTC Magic some time and I must say that Android is awesome. Android's applications are so great and free. We have to be honest WM has nothing if we compare it to Android or Iphone's OS. In WM market we can buy crapp for a lot of money and Android's free great apps in other hands. TG01 and Android would be perfect match

Have a go...
I use HTC HERO as my primary devise and Toshiba TG01 as my secondary device. To be honest Win Mo does not do justice and dsnt fully utilize the ability of the hardware available. Android is mind blowing with regards to the usability and specially because of the number of useful free apps on offer. . Android is the way to go. It can transform this device from a looser to an absolute winner. I bought the device for £139 with Android it would be a steal..
Thank you so much. Keep up the good work. Unfortunately I contribute in any manner except donating for the efforts because I am not experienced in this.

Same i do i came from iphone OS and using htc magic android, and i love thousand apps for iphone and android and quality of theese ; so id like anybody could make something like this.
TG01 is a great device but is quite short in software by now.

[Poll] Time for a new Android HD2 section?

I think its time for a new HD2 Section... What do you think. Mods?

Rarely do I post but I do read (and seach) all the time. I believe that the initial problem with adding a section for android is that android is not at all ready for the HD2, respectively.
While I do sit back in amazement with how fast development is moving along, adding a android section would bring even more "one timers" (folks that register just to ask a question that has been answered 20 times before) and flood the boards even more than they were when the HTC-LINUX discussion was open.
Its my opinion that though android is looking spectacular at this point, until there is a reliable way to flash android to NAND or at least a build that can hold its own without making you reboot your phone over and over, the temporary solutions that the mods have decided upon should stay in place.
Id like to conclude this post by saying thank you to the team for continuing to develop the linux kernel and various builds on their free time.
Good day.

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I think its time for a new HD2 Section... What do you think. Mods?
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Wait until it can be flashed before you propose this. Having a ROM of android that can be flashed is better than using it through a loader.

~~Tito~~ said:
Wait until it can be flashed before you propose this. Having a ROM of android that can be flashed is better than using it through a loader.
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It would be great when there will be a android rom in the next days! The newest android is really great and smooth! Why don´t try to flash it to internal stonage?

RobbyTouchHD said:
It would be great when there will be a android rom in the next days! The newest android is really great and smooth! Why don´t try to flash it to internal stonage?
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Because they still need winmo to initialize a lot of the hardware. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices have flashable android roms out of over a dozen devices that have android ports... most having been developed for years. It will probably still be a while before there is a flashable rom... I don't see the appeal, anyways. It doesn't improve performance much, if any. And it takes away the ability to have both winmo and android on your phone. If you want to only run android, why not get an android device? By the time there is flashable android roms for the HD2, there will probably be android phones with specs and screen equal or better for all the carriers and countries people say they can't get good android phones for.
Why would you want to flash android instead of having the ability to run both winmo and android, and any other linux ports that are released? Is there any reason? I would much prefer a dual-booting power phone than making it just another android phone that probably won't run as well as a native android phone.

zarathustrax said:
Because they still need winmo to initialize a lot of the hardware. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices have flashable android roms out of over a dozen devices that have android ports... most having been developed for years. It will probably still be a while before there is a flashable rom... I don't see the appeal, anyways. It doesn't improve performance much, if any. And it takes away the ability to have both winmo and android on your phone. If you want to only run android, why not get an android device? By the time there is flashable android roms for the HD2, there will probably be android phones with specs and screen equal or better for all the carriers and countries people say they can't get good android phones for.
Why would you want to flash android instead of having the ability to run both winmo and android, and any other linux ports that are released? Is there any reason? I would much prefer a dual-booting power phone than making it just another android phone that probably won't run as well as a native android phone.
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Ok you´re right! I didn´t think like you before but you´re really right!
But a faster sd card would speed the android up a bit right? I just have a class 4 card...I think I have to buy a faster one

eosrider said:
I believe that the initial problem with adding a section for android is that android is not at all ready for the HD2, respectively.
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adding a android section would bring even more "one timers" (folks that register just to ask a question that has been answered 20 times before) and flood the boards even more than they were when the HTC-LINUX discussion was open.
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This is a good & thoughtful opinion, though I feel that a section just for Android will allow people to more easily access the basic information that 'one timers' want to get, so a new section might help this problem rather than making it worse.
It would keep it all in one place, which would leave the ROM development section for WinMo rom discussion only.
There have been Android sections for Xperia, Pro2, Pro, Blackstone etc while the port was much more immature than the HD2 Port.
Now almost everything is working in Android, and there's lots of discussion & various people putting builds together on a regular basis.
Due to this progress and huge level of interest, I think it's time for a separate section for Android on HD2.

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I only voted yes because im sick of seeing threads with android questions posted all over, its boring now, I see Android as a dual boot-able os, not something i wanna take my phone over with

boba23 said:
Man, I seriously doubt your statement here ...
Do you have any comparative numbers to back your opinion there? Fact is, Android runs "on top" of WinMo right now. Meaning you have a complete operating system running in the background.
I really expect at least some noticeable performance improvement if an optimized android is running standalone on the HD2.
boba
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Look at the other ports on other devices. Go read the threads. Sometimes when flashed to nand they will lose some functionality until they get driers right and every initializes right.
And Android does not run on top of winmo... where do you get that from?? Android is running stand-alone while it's running. It all runs from ram... only speed difference is the speed that data gets sent to ram, which is quicker with nand, but not enough to make a big difference. Haret shuts down the windows ce kernel and boot the linux kernel. You can't have 2 kernels running at once. The windows kernel does help by initializing some hardware, but it get completely shut down. Thats why you can't just close out of android and go back to windows. Its not emulated. I've been playing with these android ports for years using haret with many different winmo devices.
Having a faster memory card probably make some difference, too, but again, only with certain tasks. Most things I don't think you'd see a huge speed difference in actual operation.

I think YES !!!
i don't think that an android section would get more people asking for android builds. Especially if you add a sticky in top of the section regarding the progress of android and that it's not finished yet. I think it should be a android development thread only so people that are interested in the development know were to look.
Futhermore i think there should be a good explenation on how to install android and get it working so people can easily try android for themselves and see that it's not nearly opperational yet.
last but not least. there'll always be people asking if android is finished. These people are just too ignorant to recognize how a forum works and read a thread. They are not actually interested in the progress of all the great developers here but just want a quick fix to show of to their friends. They should brick there device and buy an android phone.
don't let the people that are really interested suffer from the ignorant fools.
sorry but i needed to get that of my chest.
that's my opinion,
greets Boris.

I think its getting ridiculous here. Please mods open a new Android HD2 section. There is so much information out there for Android on the HD2 its getting messy in this section. The poll tells you what the people want.

zarathustrax said:
Because they still need winmo to initialize a lot of the hardware. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices have flashable android roms out of over a dozen devices that have android ports... most having been developed for years. It will probably still be a while before there is a flashable rom... I don't see the appeal, anyways. It doesn't improve performance much, if any. And it takes away the ability to have both winmo and android on your phone. If you want to only run android, why not get an android device? By the time there is flashable android roms for the HD2, there will probably be android phones with specs and screen equal or better for all the carriers and countries people say they can't get good android phones for.
Why would you want to flash android instead of having the ability to run both winmo and android, and any other linux ports that are released? Is there any reason? I would much prefer a dual-booting power phone than making it just another android phone that probably won't run as well as a native android phone.
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I agree, I think it's the greatest thing in the world to have both winmo and android, the maximum usage and options you can get, because they complete each other... I can't wait to have the stable version of the android to mh HD2

Enjoy, everyone.

It was time!

Hahahahaha, I just love how they put this thread in the android section, i laugh every time i see it

Thanks for adding this new forum ! I always like how XDA staff is listening to their users.
I see a problem about this forum though:
'HD2 Android Development' naming is erroneous for following two reasons:
-Most elementary progress is seated in the kernel - which has nothing to do with android in the first place. The kernel is Linux and not Android.
-Android is not the only userland based on Linux that is available. As seen here there is ubuntu and other stuff.
I therefore vote we rename the forum to 'HD2 Linux and Android development'
I have seen a ubuntu thread already where the user complains he is actually posting in the wrong subforum due to this naming problem.
edit: Find a thread discussing this issue XDA globally see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654560

dcordes said:
I therefore vote we rename the forum to 'HD2 Linux and Android development'
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I second that.
The Linux heart is what alloweded the HD2 beast to start breathing
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I would welcome a moderator comment here

[Q] the ultimate android build? not asking which is the best..

ok so we are all aware of all the various android builds out there for different phones. some with sense, some stock. all the chefs have their own basic formula for the perfect rom when they try to cook them for us. now most builds we apply to our phones are mod's of builds for other phones. After working with so many builds and liking certain features of each, but only available to each, i found myself asking the following question.
Companies like htc, etc. are assigned to build a certain phone with a certain android build with certain features activated/deactivated (ex. some builds have tethering, but tmobile said to cut tethering option out of g2. or some builds have a 2g/3g on off option where as others don't) this must mean that there is a general android build they start with that has all features and they just decide to keep/omit things they want or things carriers don't want. (or add some version of sense ui to it or touchwiz). My question is, is there a general ultimate android build that is available that has every feature there? i'm not a developer so i've never cooked a rom, but it would be awesome to have one build with everything and a simple way for users to decide which options they want or to omit. i know it sounds simple in theory and will never be that easy. but it would be awesome to have one general build with all options and can choose which ones i want to use or not to use vs. a developer selecting them for me.
this is a major problem with many winmo builds i've worked with compared to android builds, but its still something that bugs me when i try a rom and say damn i wish there was a 2g/3g on off in the network options vs having to dig for gsm/wcdma options. like i said in theory it sound easy and i'm sure its not, thats why i give all the chefs credit. but just throwing it out there in case something were to exist like that. thanks

I think I understand what you mean.
I've played with the Android SDK and the BASE 2.2 (what we know as Froyo) has all you mention (tethering etc), but looks kinda bland, this may be that I'm now so used to Sense and it's niceties that anything less than Sense to me just looks wrong.
If you want to see Android as Google intended for us all to use just download the SDK and start a 2.2 session with no modifications and you'll see the differences that carriers and the cooks here do, it's amazing work.
Also, almost all cooks here in XDA will try and give you access to everything the phone itself can do, that's part of the fun of running a rooted OS.

thanks for the tip about trying out the sdk Reno, i'm gonna check it out this weekend. Don't get me wrong, i love all the fun of flashing and its an addiction since 2007 on my HTC 8525/G1/HD2 lol. and i give mad props to all the chefs, god knows if i started messing with code, my phone would be a brick an hour later lol. Android chefs are really good and don't tweak much like winmo chefs do at times which i like. so many builds for winmo you'll find are scraped down to bare minimum because the chefs wanted a bare rom that gave u the "most space and fastest speed" which all went to hell once u install crap you want on it anyway, but half of the features and options have been deleted! thank God android chefs are good with keeping things there.
woohoo sdk fun friday night! will i become a chef? do chefs need to wear the silly hat?

I'll be perfectly blunt you'll need more than just the SDK to get a build made. I only downloaded it out of pure curiosity. You'll hopefully see in the attachments exactly what default Froyo looks like and realise even more what a godsend these guys here are.
I would honestly love to make my own build (more for my own fun and use than for general consumption) but I realise after many hours of reading and research that it's ridiculously hard work and these guys deserve every penny we can afford to donate for their toil.
Going back to the original point though: I think to create one overarching build that upon install you could pick: stock/sense/launcherpro or whatever other flavour there is available out there would actually be impossible. The look of the build is so deeply embedded in the build itself and requires so many different parts of the operating system itself to be changed you would need several copies of each file with the different variations for each look/style you'd end up with HUGE download sizes and it would be more difficult to keep up with when there is an update.
As things stand now, I know I could never drop my Sense builds, I love hastarins kernel tree, and I have my favourite small group of cooks that I follow, and that helps me limit what builds I download and test. Having a couple of small spare memory cards helps and only cost me £20 or so to give me that choice.

Reno i feel that you are correct. i couldn't resist and went to download the SDK after replying to your post. its still downloading a bunch of things and as i read the android developer page i'm enticed to hit the cancel button! I think i'll just go back to picturing the chefs as the magicians and let them entertain, instead of being the guy who tries to figure out all the tricks lol.

A general discussion about an idea that makes perfect sense...

Now, I appreciate everything that these devs have had to offer. I've tried different Custom Roms (With Core Cell 3 being the most stable I've experienced, outside of the annoying Opera Mamory bug)...Android builds...and all that great efforts you guys Put forth.
I look at all these threads and Roms and see the same thing over and over...bugs...bugs....and more bugs...
The most stable Windows Rom I've truly experience is the stock one...lol...not being a smart a$$ at all. Everything just works. Take a registry editor to it and it's provided the most stable platform with Core Cell 3 a hair away from it.
Now, with Android, I see constant bug reports. I mean, people seem to have a great appreciation for the builds and love them, but it always follows up with a major bug...or even worse...lots of little bugs.
What I don't understand is why don't all you devs get together and build the "XDA" Custom Rom or "XDA" Android build that gets undiveded attention and all resources so to make it truly BUG free? Once that has been accomplished...then we can go ahead and try these test builds and play with them...
Now, I say this with a great deal of respect, having worked with developers before I know how fragile the ego's can be
It's also my experience with those same developers that taught me complete focus of resources surfaced the best result.
I mean, an effort like that is something I would pay...eeerrrrr....donate too.
Android seems to be the future for the HD2, at least I think so...some may have a different opinion...that's cool. But as much as I actually like WinMo 6.5...and WinMO 7 showing signs of being a demo at best on the HD2, Android has a future.
I think it would be a great idea for you guys to focus on one thing at a time until it's at a state you can consider it marketable...not that I'm saying that's what you should do...sell things and all.
I would even think it would be cool to take WinMo 6.5 and change it into something completely different and better than what Microsoft settled for...I always promote making Big Brother look silly with a superior view of their own product.
My point is...no matter what platform or approach...get together on it...I bet the result would be far more productive.
I fear though that this idea...no matter how much sense it makes...will not come to fruition...WHAT THE DEUCE!
Looking forward to your thoughts.

well i came up with this idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902534 and would need a thew devs to work on it,about having our own unoficiall Android Rom,Something wich we can say is our own HD2 rom not direct ports if you know were im coming from and pretty much bug free and stable and fast.i know a thew devs came together to create nand so why not do it to create a rom

Thew?
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Hah, bug free... That's an interesting idea. The last bug free thing I saw was my Nokia 3210. Since then even my microwave ovens get bugs.

The devs do work together for the most part... different problems get solved by different devs, and they credit each other. I think its amazing what they've accomplished. You should be more than happy with how well we have a port working. I never thought it would get as good as it has, especially as quick as it has. Just look at the Raphael or blackstone... they've been working on ports for those devices for years and are nowhere close to where we are, and might never be.
The devs are doing what they can. This is their hobby... they're gonna work on what interests them. You can't expect them to all work on what you want them to... they would lose interest and we wouldn't have so much innovation. Plus a little competition can bring the best out of a person.
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Well most of the bugs in Android are at the kernel level, and there is already a group of developers working on that same piece of software together.
You also have to keep in mind, as other users in this thread have already said, that no software will be without bugs.

I guess...I just know with absolute confidence this idea will work best. Nonetheless, I understand. Also, it's not what I want?...its about completing a task these forums have already put in motion...just at a more effective manor.

i want sense build base on desire hd or z
its will be lite enuf to run from RAM and boot fast
the Data.img will be backed up in the nand but will work from SD card for better performance
that's what i think is perfect to me
RAM gives boot time and less battery drain
data.img on nand and sd card is for better iops and for backuping ur info fast with CWM
u can remove anything u dont use cos it wont be in the RAM
all most important things like email / messages / people browser will run from RAM to get the speed-est performance

As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!

Personally, I think this is a bad idea.
I'm very happy to have multiple developers all working on different projects and supplying us with different ROMs. For example, I hate HTC Sense and prefer stock Android, but lots of people disagree with that and think Sense builds are superior.
If all the devs worked on only 1 ROM then that's all we'd have. 1 ROM. My phone would be the same as yours, and yours would be the same as every other person on the forum. That would be pretty darn boring! If you ask me, more choice is better.
"If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other."

I never said stop working on different flavors of Roms. Just focus on an XDA Rom. Once refined, let the flavors flow...right?

You know, I approach this topic from a respective and open discussion approach with an expressed curiosity at most and the best you can do is confuse it for moaning?
It's guys like you that start all the flaming, when you have people who are simply exchanging ideas.
There's always a few out of the bunch that can't resist being abrasive aka a$$holes while others are just chatting.
AGxM said:
As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
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Welcome to B2G!! (boot to gecko)

Boot to Gecko is coming! if you haven't heard of b2g, its a web based replacement OS designed to take on android, apple and WP7, the exciting thing is, to speed up the release, it is relying on similar linux based processes to run. see here ;
https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
I'm in no way associated with this project, just wanted you guys to see it. Some industrious developers are already working at a port for the galaxy s2 and the nexus. I know we have talented dev's right here, can we be far behind?
exciting yes??!!

Ava.tar said:
Boot to Gecko is coming! if you haven't heard of b2g, its a web based replacement OS designed to take on android, apple and WP7, the exciting thing is, to speed up the release, it is relying on similar linux based processes to run. see here ;
https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
I'm in no way associated with this project, just wanted you guys to see it. Some industrious developers are already working at a port for the galaxy s2 and the nexus. I know we have talented dev's right here, can we be far behind?
exciting yes??!!
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Yeah, true, we really have quite wonderful devs for our G3 community, it shall just be a matter of time, I think

I'm pretty sure that rubbensolie will look forward to boot gecko to our phone ;P

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I'm pretty sure that rubbensolie will look forward to boot gecko to our phone ;P
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I already did look into it actually xD. But no progress, because i think we need another kernel for it.

Ava.tar said:
Boot to Gecko is coming! if you haven't heard of b2g, its a web based replacement OS designed to take on android, apple and WP7, the exciting thing is, to speed up the release, it is relying on similar linux based processes to run. see here ;
https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
I'm in no way associated with this project, just wanted you guys to see it. Some industrious developers are already working at a port for the galaxy s2 and the nexus. I know we have talented dev's right here, can we be far behind?
exciting yes??!!
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As it is not a different Android version, but a totally different system, it will require developing a new kernel, whole new drivers and of course porting the system.
Kernel and driver developing are much a pain in the a*s, so it won't be "easy" like porting MIUI (i do not mean to offend anyone).
I think it will require months of hard work from a c/c++ skilled dev....
Of course, i would be more than happy if someone is able to state the opposite!

I did a bit more poking around and found that mozilla marketplace (the boot to gecko play store) is now open to devs!
Admittedly this wont be an easy port but the similarities between b2g and android will surely put our devs here ahead of the pack in the race to port b2g. And they are already having a good try on other android devices. I have so much faith in our devs!

https://marketplace.mozilla.org/en-US/login?to=/en-US/developers/
Heres the link

Well, i know how to develop web apps but i don't get the point on mozilla choice...
And performances of webapps in mobile phones are VERY low. I mean REALLY VERY low. At least, they are low until you provide optimized code for the underlying hardware but if you do so, you will need to provide a different interface for every kinf od hardware, ie: you will need to build a kernel with proper dirvers...
I'm not saying it can't be done, of course it can be, but as i stated before, it will be a major work from a skilled dev.
From my point of view, having CM7 /and then 9) fully working is much more interesting than trying to port mozilla OS.

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Well, i know how to develop web apps but i don't get the point on mozilla choice...
And performances of webapps in mobile phones are VERY low. I mean REALLY VERY low. At least, they are low until you provide optimized code for the underlying hardware but if you do so, you will need to provide a different interface for every kinf od hardware, ie: you will need to build a kernel with proper dirvers...
I'm not saying it can't be done, of course it can be, but as i stated before, it will be a major work from a skilled dev.
From my point of view, having CM7 /and then 9) fully working is much more interesting than trying to port mozilla OS.
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Well looking at the work already being done it doesnt look slow, it looks blazing fast! the interface looks brilliant and incredibly user friendly. I am pretty excited about a finished cm9 too but chasing released android firmwares to port is surely not as fun for talented devs as getting in on something at ground level? this isnt even out yet! its not even a blip on apple or androids radar, it is exciting!
its just another option. Im sure it will be something being discussed more and more in the very near future

Updates
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gaia/Hacking
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/b2g/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
Very exited about this project. Even if takes a year to get it working on our phones.

In my opinion I don't think you should over work devs because they work in their own time and users expect them to be robots who just port roms and develop day and night. Let our devs work on their current projects and finish them to a high standard. Its quality over quantity right?
I don't mean to offend anyone. Just voicing my opinion.
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