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I'm a Palm Pre user and in love with WebOS, but as we all know Palm is dying and probably won't last through the year. I'm awaiting the EVO but I'm curious to know if it'll be possible to put WebOS on it. I'm not looking to start a WebOS/Android flame-war, I've just gotten used to WebOS in the past year. What do you guys think, is it do-able/worth the time?
Regardless, I'll probably upgrade to the EVO if the price is right
Thanks!

Is it possible? Probably.. Will it happen? Probably not.
There's already a discussion/wish list for WinMo 6.5 to be ported to the Evo, and even that may be a longshot.
But I'd say that has a much better chance of happening than WebOS... But then, anything is possible!

I was thinking that might happen. In that case, if not a complete port of WebOS is it possible to simulate/emulate the "card" system on Android? That's really my favorite part of the OS and what sets it apart from Android. Honestly, If someone could combine both OS's we'd have one hell of a phone.
Thanks!

TaskOS is about as good as you're going to get at the moment, no previews, just icons for running processes, not as flashy as webOS, but the basic functionality is technically there.
still waiting on the announcement of google buying palm for the acquisition of patents to multi-touch that palm owns the rights to.
Along with that would be webOS... give it some time, their stocks are tanking, another quarter of record losses will put them on the table to be bought up.
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...5&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:PALM&ntsp=0

Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?

greymalken said:
Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?
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webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.

johnsongrantr said:
webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?

greymalken said:
That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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Go to YouTube and find the video called "Turning an HTC Desire into a Nexus One."

greymalken said:
That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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the 2.1 that the nexus one runs is AOSP http://source.android.com/ and a custom built launcher for the nexus (launcher2.apk) which is popular here on xda and is easily obtainable.
These will all come in good time after it's released and rooted and custom roms start popping up. One thing you can hope for as I wish the phone to be successful and bring much attention to wimax in general is that AOSP and cyanogen mods http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ gets ported to the EVO. It's the cleanest version of android without all the crapware that generally comes with feature phones and flagship phones.
Cyanogen mods is where's it's at in the android hacking community. Suggestion if you really get into hacking android, start with AOSP and cyanogen port to the EVO. It will teach you alot about the android OS without all the added htc jazz.
Hope for a quick release of the EVO kernel's source though... once you have that then you can get to work. Without that don't expect much success.

Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.

greymalken said:
Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.
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like writing apps for anroid? or porting andorid OS? I'm not a programmer, don't know nothing about writing apps, so someone else will have to chime in there.
As far as porting, I do not know of any point and click guides for porting, this is the documented process for the Odroid, it should be relevant to your endeavor. They wrote a step by step for compiling android on Odroid, they do however use Uboot I'm not 100% certian what HTC devices use for their bootstrap.
http://dev.odroid.com/projects/android/
Hopefully that helps some. Good luck.
EDIT: found this for building for the G1
http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream

Google risks OEM wrath for unified Android UI plan

Come on Ginger http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/20/google_android_oem/

boogieTilt said:
Come on Ginger http://forum.xda-developers.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=557
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whats with the link for a new thread????

I think you pasted the wrong link there...

Oh my gosh! That's interesting!
somehow..

Link Fail >.>

cheddie said:
whats with the link for a new thread????
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/20/google_android_oem/

Nice find. personaly i think that the sensui makes the phone slower. But can't wait to see gingerbread

I dont think its really going to change much..its just going to make the decision for getting a custom UI more difficult since google is improving androids stock UI. Also, from what I've read they should be doing updates through the market after gingerbread so wouldnt that make it easier for the custom UI'ed phones to stay updated?

I read that article this morning and it just annoyed me. First of all, Google aren't going to stop manufacturers applying their own skins, I can still see HTC using sense and maybe motoblur/TouchWiz (eurghh) but there's still going to be a hell of a lot of phones/devices out there running stock UI that will benefit from this, including us Nexus users...
Secondly the author shows a lack of knowledge in saying that Microsoft couldn't do this because of Sense on Mobile 6.5 - are they aware that Windows Phone 7 is not allowed to be skinned?
Hopefully part of this UI refresh will focus on making Android work on tablet sized devices, as stock looks a bit odd on such large screens.

mingoid said:
I read that article this morning and it just annoyed me. First of all, Google aren't going to stop manufacturers applying their own skins, I can still see HTC using sense and maybe motoblur/TouchWiz (eurghh) but there's still going to be a hell of a lot of phones/devices out there running stock UI that will benefit from this, including us Nexus users...
Secondly the author shows a lack of knowledge in saying that Microsoft couldn't do this because of Sense on Mobile 6.5 - are they aware that Windows Phone 7 is not allowed to be skinned?
Hopefully part of this UI refresh will focus on making Android work on tablet sized devices, as stock looks a bit odd on such large screens.
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I agree, looks like the author is more interested in making a bigger deal out of this that it really is. He is really stretching it too trying to compare Apple and their closed system vs Google improving their UI to make make it more user friendly

boogieTilt said:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/20/google_android_oem/
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I stopped reading when the author stated that Google was trying to maintain "Apple-style control" over the user interface. That's nonsense.

uansari1 said:
I stopped reading when the author stated that Google was trying to maintain "Apple-style control" over the user interface. That's nonsense.
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no pun intended?

I stopped reading that crap when the article said "programmers risk being 'Motoblur' programmers or 'Sense' programmers. I'm pretty sure if he had any knowledge of the Android OS, he'd know its all ANDROID!!! What the **** is wrong with these iPhone fanboys

It's ridiculous how easily things are misenterpreted and misreported.
What was actually said:
"We're gonna focus on making gingerbread pretty and cohesive"
How it was taken:
"We're gonna actively prevent mfgs from adding their own UI's, we're gonna lock down android, and we're gonna start stealing babies"

jcopernicus said:
it's ridiculous how easily things are misenterpreted and misreported.
What was actually said:
"we're gonna focus on making gingerbread pretty and cohesive"
how it was taken:
"we're gonna actively prevent mfgs from adding their own ui's, we're gonna lock down android, and we're gonna start stealing babies"
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FOUR HUNDRED BABIES. WE WILL STEAL FOUR HUNDRED BABIES.

minus a few widgets, a pretty wallpaper, and a different launcher.... sense is (and all other blur's and wiz's) basically the same as the "vanilla" android experience... isnt it?
Dont see how this is going to change much. Except for making android more pretty... which sounds good to me!

Sense runs pretty deep.

i must be one of the only one's who dont get all the complaining about the android UI is inconsistent and not cohesive etc. i just dont see that. for example, no matter what app you go into the settings screen looks identical all the time. a long black list with checkbox options for on and off. how is that inconsistent?

Android UI really does need a refresh. Just all the grey boxes, lack of nice gradients, neon greens and bad shapes and no transparency or reflections or anything to make it look 'shiny' really make the platform appear dated. Sense has a go at fixing these things but it only does a good job on the surface and they are still all there as soon as you open something not built for sense. I'm hoping Gingerbread fixes all this!

JCopernicus said:
Sense runs pretty deep.
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Exactly. That's what Google is trying to stop, these deep reaching UI and OS overhauls. Motoblur, the AT&T Backflip aside, isn't as invasive and therefore doesn't have the same problem. How many apps don't work because of Sense? 5-10% of my apps (aside from Launcher Pro) have some kind of warning against sense issues.
I don't think this will extend to launchers, as those are fairly easy to swap out, and the article stated that wasn't the point. I hope this means we'll actually get some official skinning support, so we don't have to deal with stuff like flashing themes or metamorph. Make it easy, make it modular, make it open. Isn't that the open source goal?

Porting Sense to Vibrant?

Is this possible?

As of right now I think the development are worrying about getting a recovery on our phones and we need the recovery to flash roms unless there's another way...

Not only that but sense is a cpu hog. Such a horrible UI.

CM6 is all I care about getting on here. FB/Twitter integration all exists in 2.1, Sense adds little other than pretty looking widgets.

Isn't cm6 2.2??
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robavila721 said:
Isn't cm6 2.2??
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Yes, I was just referring to the fact that we havent needed Sense UI for anything but pretty widgets since Android SDK 2.1

Why would you want Sense over TouchWiz? If you we're looking for pretty there are lots of HTC Sense packing HTC phones on the market. The myTouch Slide is kind of running an ugly version of Sense but it still is Sense.

One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.

Sense has some very appealing factors, such as the hibernate support and of course, the cosmetics of it
In addition, the new version of HTC sense is supposed to have a lot of optimizations meaning it will be faster than before.
At the very least, is it possible for a dev to port the algorithms used for hibernate to the Vibrant?

Use this. its not sense but its a launcher close to it. has 3d drawer and everything.

sombionix said:
One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.
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but there are many more reputable developers then CM

kingkurry said:
Is this possible?
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Possible? perhaps...
Desireable? perhaps not...
Likely? Given the legal issues involved? not very...

I am also interested in this.. But to be honest if it where to happen, it won't happen until the developers get the source code for 2.2 and haber time to play with it.
So, if we are lucky and someone does decide to work on this.. knowing the possible legal issues. It would take a few weeks (after official 2.2) to get it done.
But I have no doubt in my mind that it would work in our phones.
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KingKlik(sp?) made a lot of sense roms for the MT3G and a lot of people seemed to like them. I just think Sense looks terrible, compared to any UI on any new age smartphone I have seen(except maybe Windows Mobile). I'm mainly talking about the launcher tough, the part that people for some reason like to throw on their phone even if they don't have sense.

Poll: CM6 or future 2.2 sense

Like many other peoples i started with stock(duh) moved to liberated and then to CM6. But today i did some researching and the new sense is pretty cool, hopefully will be added to liberated 2.2. My question is, will you guys be moving back to sense 2.2(hopefully with new sense) or staying with CM6?

I'll probably try Froyo Sense when it gets put in Liberated, but I'll probably stick with CM6 unless I'm completely blown away. I do miss parts of Sense though.

Yes. I know that people are quick to dismiss Sense but I like it a lot, especially after using Motorola phones, that are garbage.
I have used every ROM available for this phone and Froyo with HTC Sense would be perfect for me.
I keep going back and forth between CM6 and a ROM that I tinkered with that is like a hybrid. I really hope they have an official update soon or a ROM that combines everything.
Is that asking for too much?

maevro said:
Yes. I know that people are quick to dismiss Sense but I like it a lot, especially after using Motorola phones, that are garbage.
I have used every ROM available for this phone and Froyo with HTC Sense would be perfect for me.
I keep going back and forth between CM6 and a ROM that I tinkered with that is like a hybrid. I really hope they have an official update soon or a ROM that combines everything.
Is that asking for too much?
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Ditto.
Now to wait and see.
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I want froyo sense mmmmmm.

As long as CM upgrades to using the new kernel thats supposed to be released with Froyo I'll stay loyal to CM.

I'd rather have sense -

For me it will depend on if they add in extra features into the Sense that aren't likely to be added into CM.

CM has been a blessing for this little Aria phone, but I do miss Sense UI.

Does this mean htc's 2.2 for aria is around the corner?:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-Bee-En-Route-to-Verizon-Leaked-ROM-Emerges-160263.shtml

If given a choice, I'd definitely prefer 2.2 Sense!

I'd go with Sense as I like the UI and many of its widgets.

I enjoy some elements of Sense, as they're very carefully designed and work effectively. Conversely, I will only install a ROM if it's as open and customizable as CM6. Android is supposed to be about a more open system and I don't understand why these companies can't understand the needs of power users.

Sense 2.2
I hate to admit it but I miss the pretty. I also carry the iEvil and it's tough to pull out CM6 and not winch a little. For all the UI haters, there is a good reason big companies spend tons of money on the user experience. Functionality can be enhanced with a great UI.

BelacNongaw said:
Does this mean htc's 2.2 for aria is around the corner?:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-Bee-En-Route-to-Verizon-Leaked-ROM-Emerges-160263.shtml
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*crosses fingers*

According to the specs I saw the HTC Bee has a different (inferior) CPU.

There should be enough guts in that ROM to strip out the hardware specific bits and put in Aria ones.
Attn1 -- looked at that yet? Prognosis?

How come non android native (IE:Hd2 ect ) can get froyo sense and we can't ? Not *****in because I can't make it , but someone can . Maybe a good write up on how to build a rom is in order .

I tried and liked the CM6 mod and everything that went with it, but as I dont have an iPod or anything, not having the radio to listen to is a dealbreaker for me.

Sengfeng said:
There should be enough guts in that ROM to strip out the hardware specific bits and put in Aria ones.
Attn1 -- looked at that yet? Prognosis?
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I was posting that as a possible indication ours is soon to follow. That rom is for a CDMA phone...which means we can probably forget about porting that to the aria.

[Q] iOS ROM...

Hi friends,
i just found this link... There is a iOS rom(not MIUI with iPhone theme) for HTC Desire, Chines language, Android 2.3... can anyone make it portable for HTC HD2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284772
download link
http://115.com/file/aqz5lzz5
Thanks.

Alright first and foremost, after I finish this post I'm moving your thread to Q&A. This is not a question you want to ask in the Dev forum because though eventually it may be dev-related, currently it is not.
Also, I'm not gonna close your thread because I feel everyone has the right to voice their opinion as long as it's appropriate but I am going to forewarn you that you are literally begging to be flamed.
That being said, I DO NOT want to see ANYONE flame this guy. You've all been warned. I'm not going to tolerate flaming anymore. If I see it I'm just going to start dishing out temp-bans.
All of that being said. Moving the thread now.

Contrary to what you said, the rom is infact an miui rom with few apps from market / cooked from interwebs.
porting iOS would need some magic from Apple inc.

Rick_1995 said:
Contrary to what you said, the rom is infact an miui rom with few apps from market / cooked from interwebs.
porting iOS would need some magic from Apple inc.
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Agreed, isnt apple hardware wayy different from alot of android hardware? Mainly processor? I think it uses a proprietary apple (Apple A4 (the iPad CPU)) CPU. Which means different coding? I think like Rick says, would need some magical wonders, which you know how apple haaates other hardware with their OS (hackintosh/psystar)...
so with that in mind, probably best to get a IPHONE!
EDIT: actually looked at link, annd wow, even the status bar is WAAY not apple...xD idk where you got the idea that was a iOS ROM from...

Rick_1995 said:
Contrary to what you said, the rom is infact an miui rom with few apps from market / cooked from interwebs.
porting iOS would need some magic from Apple inc.
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Actually, it is not an MIUI rom. I've flashed the rom and tried it myself. Not really pleased with its speed . However, indeed it is based off cyanogen like miui, so its technically not a true iOS rom but a cyanogen rom modified to look like iOS.
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EDIT: actually looked at link, annd wow, even the status bar is WAAY not apple...xD idk where you got the idea that was a iOS ROM from...
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Well, that thread is also mainly about apps that do not require the 'iOS' framework found in the rom. The status bar is indeed iPhonish when you use the rom, however you retain your original status bar if you've just used the app.