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When the X1 was first announced, I was all over it. Then the Touch Pro with TF3D was announced, and I thought... the X1 is too 'raw' compared to the 'slick' Touch Pro, so Touch Pro for me!
Then I tried the FUZE (AT&T's Touch Pro) and I was disappointed in a few areas where I was not expecting to be disappointed (details below).
So, as it stands today, I am leaning back toward the X1 over the FUZE (TP). But it's a close call, and I'm still undecided. Here’s why:
1. Xperia hardware looks like a device that I would be proud to be paired with. In other words, just like Apple, Sony understands that a gadget can also be a fashion accessory. That’s a 2-fer in terms of value-add.
2. I have found the FUZE to be too heavy and bricky to be really pocket-friendly. This was a major disappointment when I checked it out at AT&T last week! I was all ready to buy the FUZE when I realized that it would take a serious adjustment to have that kind of weight and thickness in my pocket. It remains to be seen how I feel about the X1’s weight and thickness (since it's not released yet in the States). But, in terms of the specs published, the X1 looks to be about .5oz lighter than the FUZE. NOTE: The FUZE for some odd reason seems to be .5oz heavier than the Sprint Touch Pro and the HTC Touch Pro. No idea why.
3. The X1 has more hard buttons on the front panel, and more easily pressed hard buttons on the front panel. I have heard serious complaints about the “up” arrow on the X1 d-pad, but I will have to see for myself if that is insurmountable. I have played with FUZE, and the front panel buttons are not confidence-inspiring. I feel like it’s a negotiation with each press of the dpad.
4. The absence of the g-sensor on the X1 is stunning, and quite disappointing. What a huge bummer. What the heck was Sony thinking? G-sensors = cool + fun. Xperia = cool+fun. What am I missing?
5. The FUZE is about $175 w/plan on AT&T, and the X1 will be around $700 retail in a few weeks (with coupons, etc.). Yikes, that’s not a marginal difference in price, is it? I’m not sure I can justify a 4x price difference for a phone that is about 1.5x as good. Or, can I? Well, it’s like buying clothing: I can spend $200 on a shirt or $10 on a shirt. They both cover my torso about as effectively, but which one do I want people to see me paired with? This goes back to the gadget-as-accessory frame.
6. Panels. I figured they would be a dead platform as soon as 09, but the new facebook panel could be a game-changer. It shows how Panels could be the equiv to iPhone apps! Will panels have market mojo? What incentives are Sony peddling for developers to get on board? What kind of penetration can panels have if limited to only 1 device? Very chicken/egg situation here, and kind of a risk for X1 owners if they are relying on panels to breathe life into WM6.1.
7. TouchFlo 3D on X1. If this really ends up being portable to the X1 with 100% functionality and no bugs, then the X1 ends up being the more flexible device of the two. But 100% compatibility seems to be a ways off still, for many good reasons. Conversely, it is highly unlikely for several reasons that the TP would ever get panels. Sure, they might be portable over to the TouchPro HD, but that’s not the TP/FUZE, is it?
8. Keyboards. I’ve read some horrific reviews of the X1 keyboard, but they’ve been scattered and not consistent. So, I guess I’ll have to wait to actually try one myself to see how bad it really is. I tested out the FUZE keyboard, and I know it gets rave reviews, but coming from my HTC S710/Vox, I found the lack of space between the keys troubling. I’m sure I’d get used to it, but it seems like the X1’s layout (with spaces between keys) is more like my S710’s layout, which I find quite comfortable to type on. I am quite concerned about the lack of tactile feedback on the X1 keyboard, though. If there’s no feedback, then what’s the point of a hardware keyboard? Again, reviews have not been satisfactory around this aspect of the X1, so I’ll have to wait to see for myself.
9. Touchiness. I found the FUZE to be fiddly with touch sensitivity. Too often, a swipe was interpreted as a select, which was quite annoying. I've read that the X1 has a better touch experience, but that will be something I'll have to xperience myself, I guess.
10. Screen rotation. OK, big minus for X1 to have no G-sensor, but big plus for X1 for its apparent "instant switch" technology between landscape and portrait modes! I've seen some videos and it's quite impressive in Opera. One of the reasons why I 'dread' to go to my slide-out keyboard on my S710 is due to the lag. It's just painful to wait. If there were no "wait tax" on using the slide-out keyboard, I might go to it more readily.
11. Dpad+ features. The FUZE has the circular zoom thang, and the X1 has the glidey thing. No idea which is preferable. Both are interesting in their own way.
So, this is where I am right now re: X1 v. FUZE. To be honest, I am kind of looking for excuses to cheap out and get the FUZE just so I'm not spending $700 on a friggin phone. But the thickness and weight are things that I'd have to adjust to.
Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/additions to this analysis?
Jon
[cross-posted on X1 and Raphael forums so I can get both viewpoints]
Ops wanted to post this somewhere else sorry :-(
xperia has same hardware + bigger screen but no tv out and accelerometer. these are unuseful for me, and touchflo3D from touchHD runs great on x1
we have xda, we don't have to choose a device for his software, and xperia is indeed an HTC device so ALL tweaks and programs are compatible. x1 looks better and seems to be less fragile, i purchased xperia and now I tweak it with all i need from others devices
I have the same problem. Still unsure what device to buy, but tend towards the X1. I've used both devices.
Keyboard:
X1 wins for me. Its just more clear and more intuitive to use with the 4 row layout. Yes, the keys are small, but I had absolutly no problem with hitting the right one. The feedback was okay and definitely not a problem. The sliding mechanism is better as well, as is the depth of the slide-out part. It just seems more stable, better to hold and easier to use. Of course, A CRTL button and a CAPSlock LED would have been nice.
Size and weight:
X1 wins big time. The X1 is a little thinner and much more lighter. It just feels better in the hand and in the pocket.
Display:
Possibly the biggest advantage over the touch pro. The display is sharp as hell and web browsing is a pleasure. The fast and almost instantaneous swith between landscape and normal view is just awesome.
And some minor things like battery and the nice optical Joystick when internet surfing ...
Some cons:
X1 display not leveled. But when I used the X1 the first time I was surprised that its not a problem at all. the display itself is a little smaller than the cutting in the cover. So I had no problem pushing the X-Button or Start-Button.
No G-Sensor. Its just sad SE didn't implement that. Would have been nice, but its not a no-go ...
Will order it next week I think, but will take a last look at the touch pro to be sure ...
10. Screen rotation. OK, big minus for X1 to have no G-sensor, but big plus for X1 for its apparent "instant switch" technology between landscape and portrait modes! I've seen some videos and it's quite impressive in Opera. One of the reasons why I 'dread' to go to my slide-out keyboard on my S710 is due to the lag. It's just painful to wait. If there were no "wait tax" on using the slide-out keyboard, I might go to it more readily.
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well, after you loaded more softwares in your phone, it will get quite laggy especially in some softwares, dunno about others, but it does lag here
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well, after you loaded more softwares in your phone, it will get quite laggy especially in some softwares, dunno about others, but it does lag here
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Hmmm... so is the lag gap because one is running TF3D and one isn't? How bad does the lag get? And is it from installed apps, or running apps?
it will be running (or even run) apps which are causing it. However a soft reset once every few days should ensure it runs smoothly all the time.
yeah i have to find a decision, too
i think i will buy the x1, because the dimensions the depth is 1mm smaller then the touch pro. currently i use the wizard, its a really fat door stopper.
I am fortunate to actually own both these devices at the moment (thanks to an upgrade on my contract) so I can tell you what my findings are:
:: Hardware X1 problems ::
My battery cover refused to stay on. I was forced to get a small screwdriver and push the little metal tabs (near the SE logo) down a bit lower. This has been noted in other forums. The battery cover is a pain to get off if you don't have long fingernails.
The soft-reset button is under the said battery cover! I mean who decided that was a good idea??
The speaker is situated in a place that is often covered up by the palm of your hand (if you are right handed) and subsequently blocks the sound. The same can be said for the positioning of the camera lens, which frequently gets covered by fingers as you hold the phone in a natural camera position.
Notification LED's that are just too dim to see as they are located in between the keyboard and top panel. They have a rather confusing display of colours and none of them give you signal/bluetooth status for example.
There is a much documented report of a potential problem with case cracking.
No G-Sensor and the keyboard lacks the tactile feel and separate number keys of the Touch Pro.
But...
It has a fantastic screen response, very smooth. Fast landscape rotation on opening the keyboard, which glides out in a smooth curve. Dedicated hardware buttons and a cool optical sensor which works really well in web pages. GPS is really fast and accurate. A proper separate headphone socket.
:: Hardware TouchPro Problems ::
Unpredictable button presses
Lack of hardware buttons, especially a windows key and an OK key (also missing from the keyboard) No camera button, this is a serious omission.
Screen is not very scratch resistant (2 on mine caused by the useless case that is supplied) It's also very unresponsive, I find myself 'jabbing' the stylus at it sometimes to get it to acknowledge a response.
Poor battery life. Heavy/Bulky.
But...
has a beautiful VGA screen, the BEST keyboard I ever used on a mobile device, has a G-Sensor, a magnetic stylus which turns on the device on removal, touch sensitive D-Pad (Ok can be hit and miss sometimes but great for zooming) and has TV out.
:: Software X1 ::
The panels are disappointing. You can only set up 9 at a time, so if this really takes off you're going to have to sacrifice a few of your favourites. That's assuming that the panel idea is not going to turn out to be a flash in the pan. The ones supplied are a tad dull.
No YouTube application
Not all software works with the WVGA screen. Especially games. I found about 20 of my favourite apps weren't supported. Ok, this may change when developers bring out new releases but some may never work.
:: Software TouchPro ::
TouchFlo 3D looks sexy, but it is probably the biggest cause of crashes. I found myself constantly soft-resetting. Eventually after reading other users comments, I turned it off and a lot of problems disappeared.
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In conclusion....
Obviously pros and cons with both. I think none of us will ever be satisfied with everything. What aggravates me is that HTC (who make both devices) don't seem to take all the good stuff from past models and make the perfect device! You get used to one feature only to find it missing the next time you upgrade.
So we have to see which feature is important to us and decide.
Here is the clincher....
The TouchPro / FUZE is probably the MOST UNRELIABLE PDA I have ever owned. I constantly have to reset and cope with weird behaviour on a daily (no hourly) basis. Very unstable.
The X1 is probably the most RELIABLE PDA I have ever owned!!!! and has coped with a mountain of stuff I have loaded on to it, and it continues to cope admirably! I don't have to worry about using it.
This is the most important feature for me and is why ultimately I am selling the TouchPro very shortly.
Hope this helps you decide.
Apprentice,
That was a fantastic comparison/review. Thank you so much for your insights. So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?
not at all. its quite small in person. xperia all the way
Thank you apprentice for your review, and to JonDeutsch for starting this thread. I could have written your questions/opinions almost word for word. I am in the same place trying to decide which of these 2 phones to get.
I currently have a 8125 (Wizard) that I have flashed WM 6.1 w/M2D. When I had WM5 loaded it was slow and I was having all kinds of lockup & misc problems. Since flashing wm6.1 the phone seems to be on it's second life (faster and no lockups), so now I'm not is as much of a hurry to get into something else.
I went to the att store a few days ago to look at the Fuze. I walked out more confused about which to get. I was not impressed with the Fuze at all. To me, it seemed slow and sluggish for a new model with a cpu that is >2x faster than mine. Comparing it side by side with my 8125 the size was smaller and thinner, but the screen was physically smaller even though they are both supposed to be 2.8".
I was really looking forward to the Omnia also, but since I don't know if it will ever be coming to the US I've moved on to these two models. I also like the Touch HD, but not having 3G for the US won't pass the test either.
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So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?
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Hi
I think all is said. I owned both devices and I selled my TP. Why?:
1) G-sensor is nice but I dont use it.
2) TV-out is nice but I only used it once to see a film in a hotel but hasnt full support with CorePlayer so the quality isnt very good.
3) Screen is much better in X1. Now you can really surf a web in your sofa.
4) GPS performance is much better in X1
5) Stability is much better in X1
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So no doubt for me....
Dani
What led me to the X1 was a combination of the following:
- much longer standby time
- not much bigger than a default cell phone
- I like the X1's keyboard layout better (matter of taste...)
- standard headphone jack
- I prefer "rotate only when keyboard's slide out" to "Oops, I rotated the screen accidentally!". Though I admid the G-sensor would be fun for games. But then again, most games don't even support WVGA, not to mention a propietary G-sensor extension that makes the apps incompatible to everything but a couple of HTC devices...
- X1 is a bit faster in most tests. Though that's probably only a driver thing, the Touch HD is faster than X1 and Raphael with almost the same hardware and WVGA display (more pixels than Raphael).
- I thought the panels are an interesting idea. However, by now I don't give a dime to that. Too propietary, too slow, too limited (few available, max 9 at a time), clumpsy handling (press panel button, touch on screen, wait - every time you want to switch to another panel...), ...
- The WVGA screen - though that's been more of a developer decition, so I've got a test device for that. Otherwise, I would have preferred the more compatible and bigger (in size per pixel) VGA display.
- X1 looks better
- and it was a bit cheaper...
In hindsight, Panels, as mentioned, turned out as a flop for me, and having to use WVGA fix for some games is quite annoying. But otherwise, the additional screen estate is really great (browsing in landscape, lots of infos on the Today screen, more entries in lists, ...), the keyboard is way better than I expected after some reviews, and I like how it feels more like a "dump" cell phone in my pocket and regarding standby time.
The "optical joystick"s really nice in some apps (esp. for slow scrolling - for fast scrolling flicking is better imho), while sometimes a bit too sensible in others. I wish there was a better "(don't) use in that application" configuration then just the few fixed apps (iirc, PIE, contacts, and messaging). But if you don't like it at all, you can just deactivate it completely...
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Apprentice,
That was a fantastic comparison/review. Thank you so much for your insights. So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?
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You're welcome!
I can't recommend the X1 enough to be honest.
As for the bulkiness issue... it may only be 1mm less in depth (which I didn't realise as it looks a lot more than that!) but it's the difference in width that makes it less bulky. Also long and slim is way easier in your pocket. Finally the corners are nicely rounded. It really handles and looks like a regular 'candy bar' type phone.
user experience X1
I'll provide you with my point of view. Since i'm someone who actualy uses this for it's business functionality, i'm not that interested in sound quality / video playback/ camera functionality/ games/ eyecandy. My previous phone was a TYTN/ HERMES (last 2 years), prior to that I owned a jam/ qtek100 (20 months).
NOT having owned a TP/FUZE I won't be able to comment on it's pros and cons but having an X1 i can add some points which I think have been exagerated or been overlooked imho. I did look at a TP in a shop but wasn't impressed by it's feel, too plasticky/synthetic. The X1 looks and feels like a premium lifestyle accesory whereas the TP would be a top of the line 'gadget'.
Keyboard
The keyboard is one of the main issues in the reviews. I'm not bothered by it it but it is not as good as my HTC TYTN keyboard. Having said that, it's not as awful to me as some reviews implied, it's pretty usable to me. If you have bigger hands/fingers the TP might be a better option.
G-sensor
Looked like a lot of fun, but it would probably annoy me more than it would improve my life:
I do a lot of excel / powepoint/ word stuff on my phone and sometimes i'd like to pass my phone over to someone else to give them a glance of the figures i'm working on. With a g-senor the screen would tilt with eacht flick of the wrist putting some columns or rows beyond the visible area. Not having had that on my previous phones I decided I wouldn't be missing it.
TF3D/panels
At first i discarded the panels, flashed a lite rom and loaded tf3d. I thought TF was a bit slow , buggy and did not add any value for me so i went back to the plain WM screen.
Last week i reinstalled the panels, including the spb one and i 'm beginning to appreciate it. especialy the spb that has shortcuts to programmes and settings so i don't need the startbutton that much anymore (one handed operation!!) Best thing: it has a 'soft reset' button so no more picking at the battery cover to reach the reset hole (bad decission that is to have a reset button out of reach on a windows device). The SE panel is my main panel because i can display the next 5 or 6 upcoming appointments on one screen. TF can only display 2 appointments on the start screen afaik.
Dpad (touchscreen)
As stated above I used tf3d for a while. The fingerprints on the screen drove me mad. the same kind of scrolling can be achieved with the d-pad after a few days of usage and growing accustomed to its usage and responsiveness. I realy like the dpad now (allthough it could have been a bit more higher or the borders surrounding it could be a tad lower). Having this experience i was confinced i don't want multitouch or a full surface screen.
Arrow keys
This was the reason I nearly didn't buy the X1; I Liked them and used them a lot on my TYTN but after practising on the old TYN with the joystick instead of the arrow buttons I decided I could live with it. So not really missing them since the dpad has replaced this functionality. I admit it requires some effort to get a bit used to putting your thumb on the dpad instead of the keyboard itself but it's easy to grow accustomed to (after 2 solid years with my previous phone and it's arrowkeys).
Screen
Biggest gain. I can finaly look at full webpages on my phone and don't need to revert to the mobile version of a webpage. Clear and sharp but i can appreciate the argument that you need a bigger screen (i.e. touc HD) for this kind of resolution. For me and my sharp eyes it works fine , someone with less sharp eyes can use the zoom function of Opera .
Dimensions
Roughly about the same size as a normal Nokia candybar business phone. Some people complain it's a bit too heavy but i like that. Makes it feel solid.
Conclusion
My main conclusion up till now: it has the wow factor (someone actually said 'Wow' in a bar when i pulled it out). Thank god i didn't go for a full touchscreen without hardware buttons: the fingerprints would drive me crazy.
I'm happy with my choice but would understand if there are just some little things that would convince someone to buy a TP; just a matter of priorities.
The X1 is also too expensive to reccommend to everyone. I decided that the premium look and feel was worth it combined with the top of the range specs and the software flexibility. if it was a SE manufactured phone with symbian I wouldn't have bought it, the micro sd card and mini usb charging and the ROM enhancements are the reason i prefer HTC devices.
I hope the above helps....
Best thing: it has a 'soft reset' button so no more picking at the battery cover to reach the reset hole
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There are other tools for that as well. Additionally, you can simply press the power switch for a few seconds. If you phone isn't crashed completely, a message box whether you really want to switch off is shown (and if it hangs, you're not able to launch something from a panel either...). Turning it on immediately afterwards does the same as a soft reset.
(bad decission that is to have a reset button out of reach on a windows device).
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Not only for those. Sometimes I wished for a reset button on other cell phones, too. But yes, the location sucks. Sometimes it faster to temporarily remove the battery...
Im closing this thread. This kind of postings leads to no good. Flaming is not accepted
Itje
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
I understand how you feel. If I were you, I would have just installed TF3D onto your xperia. That's the clostest to an iphone setup. I have an iphone too and it takes some getting use to the xperia touch screen.
almost the opposite, after using it for the day, im put my iphone 3g up on ebay for sale
using Touch-IT Xperi.v3.5 and disabled the panel and X key, it is fast and responsive. the only disappointment is the screen is lower than surrounding. really good resolution.
Also topic creator, HTC makes this "crap" phone that you speak of (xperia) Same company who makes the touch HD
Yea I understand I would try it with the new updated ROM R2 (but you have already RMA'd it) but I felt the same way - for the price it should be much better - I feel the real problem is with the software and the latest SONY released ROMs have made the phone actually work.
yogi:
I'm fully aware that HTC makes the Xperia. I'm sure Sony had a lot to do with how they wanted their phone to operate. I'm generally just not pleased with it. I feel good about the Touch HD. I think it's going to be the closest I can get to a Windows Mobile funtional OPEN phone with iPhone like useability. I should have known the X1 wasn't going to be much different from an old PPC-6700 that I owned back in the day.
That's cool man but I would have gave the xperia some more time. I was going to get a touch HD myself but couldn't pass up the price I got for the xperia. And with the new update, touchFlo 3D is butter smooth.
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After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
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Have you heard of customizing the phone to suit your needs? If you want it to perform out of the box, then you should have stuck with your iphone
you should read what are you buying. Xperia is a professional device, made for use with a stylus or to be customized with alternative interface.
I you want a soap box ready to use go to buy an iphone
different target, different potential, different users
All the customizing in the world couldn't make up for the work needed to get that Xperia up to par.
Get over it man!
Regards,
Astoroth
X1 --- You gotta love it
the iphone is a joke compared with any decent windows mobile device... a gadget that you have to "jailbreak" just to do something without going the manufacturer's way is a ****ing ****.
anyways, my X1 is fast, actually is one of the fastest (in overall experiencie) wmo devices out there. also, the screen is not tiny, sure the iphone or the touch hd are a bit bigger, but hey, the x1 itself is smaller! do you understand that you can't get both things (smaller device + bigger screen = fail).
i don't understand why you decided to get an x1 if you were happy with the form factor of the iphone. i would have thought that the touch hd iis the closest match.
personally, i'm delighted with the x1. it's the first pocket pc i've ever had that actually feels like a phone rather than a pda in my pocket.
i'm more than happy to have a smaller screen if it means that the device is more pocketable, and i get a hardware keyboard too.
admittedly the panels aren't much to shout about but i've got absolutely no complaints about speed on my device. on the contrary, it's the fastest pocketpc i've ever owned.
hopefully the touch hd will be more suited to your needs ...
Im sooo sorry for you!
Cmon man, this is a developers site. If you dont like it, customize it!
I dont really know WHY youre telling us how you hate it? Like we care.
I love my Xperia!
3.5" @ 320 x 480
3" @ 800 x 480
Righhhhtt.....
If 0.5" matters to you that much, go back to iPhone
derrickonline said:
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
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Are u using Xperia from Sony Ericsson???
Mine is different. Clear screen, fast and wonderful. If I may say, this baby just know what I need.
my SE X1 rocks ....
i always get compliments about it! (more than an iphone would anyday) ok the panels are kinda a waste of space ...but still they are still cool.
and yes when i first got it i didnt like the speed and it did lag ...but its now a custom pocket rocket, no operator crap etc.
i would like to say a friend of mine has a iphone, played with it for a few hours and was very disapointed. apart from the flashy UI its really a rubbish phone (bought through a apple hype machine that tells u its cool to have one). the x1 was hard to get into but some remarks made are rubbish. small screen???? slow? i think not.
ps. bluetooth / mms on iphone anyone, screen rez is poor too and i heard it cant multitask. thats why it runs very fast.
thats my rant over.
u should also check out the phone before u buy it, i checked out iphone/htc hd and blackberry storm. its only when u have it in your hand and have a play u can really decide which is best for u. i needed the hardware keyboard
There's always individual need which is important.
Many many users rather want a device to "feel right" than "do a lot". And that's fine.
However IMO the author makes two mistakes: X1 screen is many times better than iPhone, and "iPhone" usability is laugh compared to X1...
Provocation... ehh...
I have had my touch for two years now and i have loved this phone, its been the best I have ever had.
i upgraded to the hd two weeks ago, which is sleek, sexy , powerful and great in the car without needing my bluetooth gps unit - but, it is just that bit too big in the suit pocked and i have finally decided to put it on ebay. if only the hd were just that bit smaller i would have kept it
am i going to love this phone as much as the original?
Before buying my Jade, I tried the pro, diamond and HD. I traded in my viva which I disliked because of the lowered screen. Finger kept hitting the edges. I found a shop which allows its customers to have a quick personal tour of each device. Wasn't really interested in the pro. The original diamond was too square and edges were quite sharp. The HD was heavy and although it had a solid feel to it, I felt that long term handling would be quite strenuous. I've also tried out the new diamond, but I don't feel that the new features are worth paying for. I'm holding on to my Jade till some new model with some drastic changes arrives. It really is value for money. Hope this helps you in your decision making.
I must agree. For me, Jade is the best device I've ever had. Lightweight, small, fast, nice and long battery life. I've only wish 400x240 display + TV-out and it will be IDEAL, but maybe next device...
M in total confusion which one to buy
I liked d bigger screen of htc pro 2 and 5 row keypad over 4 rows of x1...
But I really really miss the 3.5 mm jack on touch pro2
I have heard there is a-gps lag inX1 ?? is it true??
Tp2 n X1 both are sexy... Awesome mobiles but x1s made of metal which is really cool..
Hardware specs are almost same except these two differences...
Which would you ppl prefer ?????
I prefer dat dere X1
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I prefer dat dere X1
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Xperia I would suggest. But once the Touch Pro 3 comes out... for sure you have to get Touch Pro 3.
To me, Touch Pro 2 is nothing more than a variation, rather than a big improvement. Then again, I have never Touched a Pro 2.
two words for Ya: form factor. my previous pda was kaiser and before that I had hermes. I always thought that they are both quite small for pda, but then I took my friends xperia into my hands. boy, now that was a difference. not to mention metal housing, I finally don't look like I am holding a huge brick by my ear while on the phone. other specs are also ok, the only thing I miss is tv out, but I can live without it.
to be completely fair, read a lot before choosing xperia. some are getting nasty cracks on plastic parts (replacable under warranty) and phone needs to be tweaked a bit to become a real rocket.
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two words for Ya: form factor. my previous pda was kaiser and before that I had hermes. I always thought that they are both quite small for pda, but then I took my friends xperia into my hands. boy, now that was a difference. not to mention metal housing, I finally don't look like I am holding a huge brick by my ear while on the phone. other specs are also ok, the only thing I miss is tv out, but I can live without it.
to be completely fair, read a lot before choosing xperia. some are getting nasty cracks on plastic parts (replacable under warranty) and phone needs to be tweaked a bit to become a real rocket.
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Most of the Xperia is plastic housing inside and out. The metal is mostly the battery cover and the thin area that surrounds the screen.
I'd say try both. I've got an Xperia, and I'm going to get a Pro2 and see what suits me best.
The advantages I see for the TP2 are:
- Significantly bigger screen
- Probably much better keyboard
- Tilting screen (loved it on my kaiser!)
- Quality speakerphone & conference calls could be useful sometimes
Advantages of X1:
- Smaller size & weight
- D-pad and optical joystick
- 3.5mm headphone jack
- If you don't have one yet, it's much cheaper than TP2 if bought 2nd hand (£250 ish on ebay)
I'll give the TP2 a go then sell the one I don't want to keep, but I'd recommend you try both out and see what you like, as in terms of overall capabilities they'll do almost exacrtly the same things.
I have a Blackstone and I'm thinking about getting a Leo but a friend of mine has one and the one time I saw it I remember thinking it was way too big. Is the bigger screen useful at all? Does the phone feel too big when you're holding it in one hand and trying to click stuff or send a text? Does it feel too big in your pocket or is it fine?
Before I had the Blackstone I had a Diamond so I'm used to smaller/slim phones. Just want to make sure the Leo is something I like before I buy one, so if anyone can help answer these questions I'd appreciate it.
Only 4" and a bit smaller would have been better, but it's not too big.
In fact, it's more convenient to carry around in the pocket than the HD, because it's less bulky.
Had a Touch HD before and think the HD2 feels much better in the pocket. It's actually not that much longer and wider, but quite a lot thinner ...
the bigger screen the better. Size of the phone is good, but must not be much bigger. then i wouldnt call it a "phone" anymore.
no, i dont think so! but i guess this is a really personal decision! Just go to a store and hold i in your hand, and then you can decide yourself!
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Before I had the Blackstone I had a Diamond so I'm used to smaller/slim phones. Just want to make sure the Leo is something I like before I buy one, so if anyone can help answer these questions I'd appreciate it.
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You are basically following in my footsteps (Diamond, HD and .....eventually HD2) or should I say maybe I would like to follow in yours. Well depending on your choice.
I just got my HD and I'm happy but if I had a choice right now. No doubt it would be the HD2 as the width is hardly noticiable between the HD and the HD2. Well it least when I measured up the HD with a dummy HD2.
The HUGE screen is one of the reason I love this phone so much.
My first impression when I unboxed my phone was, " Damn! The screen is so damn big!"
But, it is not bulky, thinner than many other phone in fact. I feel much more comfortable having HD2 in my pocket than my previous N95.
I'm an asian with no large hands but i can handle the phone with one hand easily.
Nope, I think it's probably at the limit of how big you would want a phone to be though. Any larger that the HD2 and I think it might end up being too cumbersome.
Size does matter but it's not a problem with the HD2
I owned the HD and I never had a problem with the size. Before buying the HD2 I though size would be a problem nevertheless I put a deposit down to ensure I got mine from the initial shipment. I’m not disappointed. I think the size is perfect. The thinness more than overcompensates for the slightly increased width and height.
Coming from using a Diamond before, this is freckin' massive and considerably heavier than my diamond. However it's not bad at all, feels so well constucted and a pleasure to use.
I don't think of my HD2 as a phone anymore, it's like some awesome mini tablet PC that just happens to have phone capabilities .
As said above, thanks to it being so thin it's perfect. The big screen is so amazing and I don't think its worse than having my SE P1i in my pocket which was alot thicker but also alot smaller in height and width. So in my opinion the big size is great, and thanks to it being so thin it's perfect even in the pocket.
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Is the bigger screen useful at all? Does the phone feel too big when you're holding it in one hand and trying to click stuff or send a text? Does it feel too big in your pocket or is it fine?
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yes. no. fine.
I cant think any phone larger than Leo without losing the term phone and entering the netbook territory. On the other hand I am so spoiled by the perfect screen that all others seem like miniatures now!
perfect
when i first saw it i though it was going to be just a bit too big but after a few days it just seemed natural.
now i can't believe how inadequate my girlfriend's diamond is.
it also fits my shirt pocket perfectly - my diamond used to fall out a lot.
too big for one handed use
I am comming from the Touch Pro, which was very hard to use completely without stylus. The HD2 screen is very nice for touch control, but too big for one handed use.
I never had a Touch Pro 2 in my hand unfortunately, so I can not judge if it is still big enough for touch control and small enough for one handed use.
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when i first saw it i though it was going to be just a bit too big but after a few days it just seemed natural.
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Indeed.
It fits into a jeans pocket with ease, even when in a pouch and the big screen is a plus. When I look at my bro's Touch Pro I immediately take my eyes off it, so small are the words
Would agree with the above. I came from the HD and actually the HD2 fits better.... Its thinner so feels less bulky, the screen goes right to the edge of the device which is only slightly wider and taller.
I was really worried about the size, i remember thinking the HD was pretty large so thought the HD2 must be gigantic.
Coming from the HD i have to say the size is def not an issue. (Oh, you'll love the screen!)
Wait a sec, does it work with AT&T 3G in the US (I think 850 band)?
I dont think its too big, i have came from a touch hd and with a rubber case on its basicly the same size, i absolutely love the hd2 I have customized it to fit my every need and i havent had 1 problem with it so far....
(my previous phones, xda orbit, xda orbit 2, iphone, touch hd and now the hd2)
screen size very nice, does not feel too big when holding in hand thanks to the thin design, and be careful with tight pockets.