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Competition for the Kaiser?

OK, it's not strictly Hermes related and so shouldn't necessarily be in this forum, but was the closest I could think of
Like many here I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Kaiser to replace my aging but trusty Hermes. It seems to fit the bill perfectly but that could be because it's the only device that has everything I want. Or is it? Are there other devices on the way that I don't know about with the following?
GPS
3G
Wifi
qwerty keyboard
wm6
Lee.

Scratch WM6 from the list then Nokia's E90 has the rest and some more!

LeeJS said:
OK, it's not strictly Hermes related and so shouldn't necessarily be in this forum, but was the closest I could think of
Like many here I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Kaiser to replace my aging but trusty Hermes. It seems to fit the bill perfectly but that could be because it's the only device that has everything I want. Or is it? Are there other devices on the way that I don't know about with the following?
GPS
3G
Wifi
qwerty keyboard
wm6
Lee.
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Yes, but the HTC Haiser (HTC P4550) don't have infra-red connection. It is its only "defect".

jeannot61 said:
Yes, but the HTC Haiser (HTC P4550) don't have infra-red connection. It is its only "defect".
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Its about time they kill the IR... it doesnt have much use these days anyway, especially since HTC havent made them very powerful lately... but thats my opinion

google for the Imate ultimate 7150. No GPS, but the 3.5" VGA screen & 18mm thickness might make up for that.

I looked at the Ultimate 7150 but decided that it's too wide for me - I wanted something smaller than my old Motorola A925 in every dimension!
A colleague at work is deciding between the Ultimate 8150 and Kaiser - The Kaiser won out today and now he's just waiting for it to become available.
It was the keyboard that swayed him in the end.
Cheers, Oggy.
Edit: link to 7150 http://www.clubimate.com/ultimate/ult7150.htm

TouchFlo (Manila) will die ... "HTC Sense" is on the way!

Hi everybody,
i just found this http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=103534&lang=1033
If you scroll down a little bit you'll find:
HTC Sense
Built on a culture of innovation and a passion to enhance peoples lives, HTC shapes the mobile experience around the individual. Debuting on the HTC Hero and available on all new HTC devices moving forward, Sense delivers on three basic principles: Make it Mine, Stay Close and Discover the Unexpected.
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A nice Video can be watched here (ok ... it's Hero => Android, but should look similiar on WinMo-Devices ... except Multi-Finger-Gestures)
Watch how it works with Flash here
IMHO this looks very promising
@Developers:
What do you think ... will this be running on our belowed Blackstones?
@Mods:
If this is the wrong Forum, please move this Thread.
Thanks in advice.
kind regards
fwt
PS: I'm off for a short Holiday ... better said long Weekend. Having some recreation!

fwt said:
Hi everybody,
i just found this http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=103534&lang=1033
If you scroll down a little bit you'll find:
A nice Video can be watched here (ok ... it's Hero => Android, but should look similiar on WinMo-Devices ... except Multi-Finger-Gestures)
Watch how it works with Flash here
IMHO this looks very promising
@Developers:
What do you think ... will this be running on our belowed Blackstones?
@Mods:
If this is the wrong Forum, please move this Thread.
Thanks in advice.
kind regards
fwt
PS: I'm off for a short Holiday ... better said long Weekend. Having some recreation!
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Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device

I bet that 90% of the cooked HD-roms will contain that interface within the next 6 months
And it looks very promising
greetz

It is new UI for Android OS, HTC loves to make UI for different OS
Windows Mobile ==> Touch FLO 3D
Android ==> HTC Sense
I love it's analog clock
I want it

Fallen Spartan said:
Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device
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Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh

touch flo is old now, we want to see something new on wm.

NRGZ28 said:
Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh
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That sounds petty cool !
Did your preview ROM (released as a preview around the 16th june) is built using Manila or is it a WM version of HTC sense ?
I used it a few hours and was very nice

Yep
That would be also cool if htc would make a plugin system for manila (on futur htc sense) like on WM6.5 main interface to make it easy to develop new tabs (I want a twitter tab )

NRGZ28 said:
Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh
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looks like you have seen something???

it won't take long until my blackstone is found on ebay... i think i was just waiting for the "reason"... and here it is! amazing, amazing software. i feel pity of the current windows mobile when i look at iphone and android's OS... ah! not to mention the marvelous Palm Pre.

i thought it is for android? HTC Hero is an android rite?

citrix80 said:
touch flo is old now, we want to see something new on wm.
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i second that and i thought i read somewhere that it is coming to WM as well so keep fingers crossed

It's pretty much just a reshuffled Touch Flo with more fancy effects, I won't say no when it's availiable but nor am I going to desperate to get my hands on it.

Samsung Jet will play flash pages
Nokia N97 will play flash pages
Windows cannot dissappointed to find out after getting the first PPC

Fallen Spartan said:
Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device
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You wil see it soon on a Windows Mobile Phone with android running on it

hey, just ordered a blackstone a few days ago... and saw HTC sense today. I just want it! what do you think, will HTC sense be available for the blackstone too?
just read the posts above, maybe it will be available, maybe there will be a new WM touchflo version... in your opinion, should I leave my order, buy a blackstone and hope for HTC sense made available for it, or should I wait for more HTC sense devices like the hero?
a really really hard decision!
thx!

This is another reason why we need Android on the HD. HTC Sense is so much more fluid and finger friendly.

absolutely. this is a MUST HAVE. can't imagine better then HD with sense...

LOL - Talk about wishful thinking.
HTC no longer support the Touch HD, theres no way you're going to see such an update for it.

would be interesting where you've read/heard/got that info? I just read an article, John Wang: "HTC Sense will be available for Android AND Windows Mobile devices in the near future." (tecchannel.de, in german)

Worthy Touch HD follow up, when?

Im waiting for a while now for a followup of my Touch HD..
I want a phone that is faster AND have a keyboard.. are there any rumours about such a phone yet? i can't find em and i can renew my subscription with a new phone soon..

The Nokia N900 should fit the bill perfectly. The screen is already much much better than on the Touch HD.

Toss3 said:
The Nokia N900 should fit the bill perfectly. The screen is already much much better than on the Touch HD.
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It looks like a nice device. The question remains, Is the OS worth it? i was actually looking for an android device (mainly because of it's app store)
Any more upcoming devices like this?

Well, I don't think it's going to have a keyboard, but the HTC Touch HD 2 should definitely be faster, and it willl run Android based on the rumors...

Nokia's a piece of junk! you can have your horrible Symbian UI!
Why start another of these topics? on the first page at the time of this post theres already two of exactly the same genre!

Sorry to say ,but you're missinformed:N900 is powered by Maemo,based an opensource linux,not symbian.
For more info,take a look at _www.maemo.org
Cheers

Similar thread already exists
Don't see a reason for duplicate threads
Thread closed

Sprint Hero ROM pics

I went to a Sprint Store today and one of the reps had a Hero he had gotten over the weekend in preparation for the launch on the 11th. I got pics of the ROM info page while I was there. Someone who knows more than me can see if this includes the ROM update from HTC and if there is any other valid info. Considering he got this on friday and the release is the 11th I think this will likely be the version that is on the launched device.
IF THERE IS ANY INFO IN THESE PICS THAT REVEALS THE IDENTITY OF THE SPRINT REP PLEASE LET ME KNOW SO I CAN EDIT THEM. I DON'T WANT TO GET HIM IN TROUBLE.

eh, maybe I'm late to the game. Or maybe no one cares.

Poke_N_PDA said:
I went to a Sprint Store today and one of the reps had a Hero he had gotten over the weekend in preparation for the launch on the 11th. I got pics of the ROM info page while I was there. Someone who knows more than me can see if this includes the ROM update from HTC and if there is any other valid info. Considering he got this on friday and the release is the 11th I think this will likely be the version that is on the launched device.
IF THERE IS ANY INFO IN THESE PICS THAT REVEALS THE IDENTITY OF THE SPRINT REP PLEASE LET ME KNOW SO I CAN EDIT THEM. I DON'T WANT TO GET HIM IN TROUBLE.
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That's the same ROM that my phone has. The phone you saw was an advocate phone, not a final release version. Our ROM isn't final, since we cannot download Pandora (only available on official ROMs). There is a lot of talk that the final production version will have Donut (1.6) since it's the only Android ROM that supports CDMA. My guess is that the advocate ROM is a modified version of Cupcake, and there will be an update available at or near launch. Hopefully.

Don't get confused by the marketing name 'Hero'.
The Sprint 'Hero' is not a branded Hero for Sprint like the 'G2 Touch' for T-Mobile. It is a new device, built for Sprint with different features like CDMA, Android 1.6 and - most obviously - very different in hardware design. It has only two hardware buttons compared to six on the original Hero.
HTC's roots go back to manufacture OEM devices for big providers, and the Sprint 'Hero' is such a device. If Sprint wants an ugly version (my personal point of view) of the Hero and pay for it, they can have it ...
The Sprint 'Hero' is not as close to the original Hero as the new Tattoo. But marketingwise Sprint seems to need a 'Hero'

hkr said:
The Sprint 'Hero' is not as close to the original Hero as the new Tattoo. But marketingwise Sprint seems to need a 'Hero'
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Ehhh? Apart from the radio, the Sprint 'Hero' specs are pretty much identical to the GSM Hero, and the Tattoo is *nothing* like either????
Regards,
Dave

hkr said:
It has only two hardware buttons compared to six on the original Hero.
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you might wanna recount, i see the same six buttons on the sprint as on my htc, they are just different shape and not single buttons, just count the symbols around the trackball!

Indeed - whilst the other buttons look more like "touch sensitive" buttons, rather than "click push" buttons, it doesn't change the fact that they are hardware buttons.
Regards,
Dave

That's what I wrote 'hardware buttons' are buttons you can press on and get physical feedback ...
The other 4 are sensors or sensitive areas, this is really different. If you don't believe me, compare the Touch HD and Diamond 2 ... I personally like 'real' buttons for a few actions like phone on and off, home and menu ...

hkr said:
The other 4 are sensors or sensitive areas, this is really different. If you don't believe me, compare the Touch HD and Diamond 2 ... I personally like 'real' buttons for a few actions like phone on and off, home and menu ...
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It is only different with respect to the physical mechanism, which is going to be part of the case. The actual phone innards itself won't know any different.
The point is that, radio aside, the Sprint Hero is much, much, closer to the original Hero than it is a Tattoo, which is a *completely* different device (lower screen res, resistive screen, no track ball, lower memory etc, etc, etc).
Regards,
Dave

According to this phonedog.com video review of the Sprint Hero, that area isn't actually a touch panel anyway and the device does have physical buttons underneath the panel which are depressed when you press the appropriate area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcmfn3ilXd8 - about 3:45 in.
Regards,
Dave

hkr said:
That's what I wrote 'hardware buttons' are buttons you can press on and get physical feedback ...
The other 4 are sensors or sensitive areas, this is really different. If you don't believe me, compare the Touch HD and Diamond 2 ... I personally like 'real' buttons for a few actions like phone on and off, home and menu ...
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I used the phone and those are in fact hardware buttons. You press them, they move, you get physical feedback. They aren't touch surfaces. Sorry to call you out here, but I believe I can since I have used the phone (though briefly). Just because they are flush with each other and not separated buttons like the dial and end keys doesn't mean they don't move. Plastic flexes.

hkr said:
Don't get confused by the marketing name 'Hero'.
The Sprint 'Hero' is not a branded Hero for Sprint like the 'G2 Touch' for T-Mobile. It is a new device, built for Sprint with different features like CDMA, Android 1.6 and - most obviously - very different in hardware design. It has only two hardware buttons compared to six on the original Hero.
HTC's roots go back to manufacture OEM devices for big providers, and the Sprint 'Hero' is such a device. If Sprint wants an ugly version (my personal point of view) of the Hero and pay for it, they can have it ...
The Sprint 'Hero' is not as close to the original Hero as the new Tattoo. But marketingwise Sprint seems to need a 'Hero'
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Sprint Hero uses a hacked version of Cupcake 1.5 with the Donut 1.6 CDMA stack added in and maybe a couple of other things. There have also been problems with apps from the new market for 1.6 not installing/working correctly with this version of the Hero because of it still being 1.5. SPRINT/GOOGLE/HTC can we get some info on what the deal is with this I want Donut on my Hero and or Samsung Moment

Help me start out understanding Android

Hello,
A friend of mine has an Android device (SIM unlocked TELUS HTC Hero running on Bell Canada) and I've recently become interested in seeing what he could do as far as flashing ROMs, rooting, etc.
I'm thinking about getting an Android device at some point in the future, so I also see the advantage to understanding the Android paradigm.
I'm currently a WM user (HTC HD2 T9193) so I understand that setup of .nbh ROM images, .cab installers, HSPL, et cetera, but I don't really understand the Android paradigm that corresponds to that.
I've searched around these forums a bit, but I can't really find anything that helps me get started (all the WM ROM Development forums have great stickies with enough information to get you started). All I've really found is directions for rooting the device, which sort of helps...but not really.
If someone could be so kind as to information or link dump in this thread, to give me something to read to understand better, I'd be most appreciative.
No detail is too minute! I love information!
Thanks a lot!
P.S.: Total aside, but Swype for Hero, does it exist? Searching the web seemed to indicate that it only is available for WVGA devices (N1, Droid/Milestone, Desire), but there's always that chance of XDA magic...

I'm writing a series of Android Explained guides.
Give me a week or so...

There's plenty of info in these forums, its just its really well hidden...
I can answer your Swype question though! They're working on it, there's a beta available, not sure if they have places left on it though. Head over to the MoDaCo forums and you should be able to find out some info on how Swype is coming along.
Florida.

i remember a while back before the swype beta was released i got my hands on a swype apk, cant remember where from tho. used it for about 2 weeks on the hero. was great, slightly buggy tho

Yes,a guide with explanation of several terms of Android / HTC
would be good!
Example:
What is "Root","HardSPL/SPL","Swap","apps2sd" etc.!

I had exactly the same issue as you, but eventually I got so sick of winmo that I threw myself into the depth and bought a hero. After that I think i used i stock for about two or three weeks looking on forums for nice things to do with my phone.. Eventually I began to learn more and more about rooting etc. (theunlockr.com is a nice website)..
What i'm saying is, there are so much cool things to discover when you buy an android powered device. It's fun to just go for it and find stuff out...
I understand it's probably a big investment.. But you will not be dissapointed!!!
Android RULES period

DaanJordaan said:
I had exactly the same issue as you, but eventually I got so sick of winmo that I threw myself into the depth and bought a hero.
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Well I currently own an HD2.
I'm not going to go HD2 ==> Hero, because that's a serious downgrade IMO.
DaanJordaan said:
After that I think i used i stock for about two or three weeks looking on forums for nice things to do with my phone.. Eventually I began to learn more and more about rooting etc. (theunlockr.com is a nice website)..
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I'm a big WiFi tethering junkie (my buddy who actually has the Hero isn't so much...he's more paranoid about rooting, which is why I'm trying to do all the research/reading possible), I don't know if that's possible on Android without rooting, but from what I've read it's not [possible], so that'd be why I'd root on day #1.
DaanJordaan said:
What i'm saying is, there are so much cool things to discover when you buy an android powered device. It's fun to just go for it and find stuff out...
I understand it's probably a big investment.. But you will not be dissapointed!!!
Android RULES period
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Personally with WP7 on the horizon -- and how awful it looks -- I've resigned myself to the fact that my next smartphone will be an Android-powered one.
I'm waiting to see if there'll be a GSM version of the EVO, because so far that's the only Android device that's caught my eye (given that I currently have an HD2...the downgrade in screen size is what's made me discount the N1 for now).

Spike15 said:
Well I currently own an HD2.
I'm not going to go HD2 ==> Hero, because that's a serious downgrade IMO.
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If you're not going to a Hero, why are you posting in the Hero forum?
Honestly, the information is there, you just have to look for it. Most of us, myself included, came from WM devices of some description and we all found the info ourselves pretty well.

alliekhat said:
If you're not going to a Hero, why are you posting in the Hero forum?
Honestly, the information is there, you just have to look for it. Most of us, myself included, came from WM devices of some description and we all found the info ourselves pretty well.
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You're lecturing me about "just looking for it [information]" and yet you don't even read the OP before asking a question:
Spike15 said:
A friend of mine has an Android device (SIM unlocked TELUS HTC Hero running on Bell Canada) and I've recently become interested in seeing what he could do as far as flashing ROMs, rooting, etc.
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I also pointed out that I searched around a bit, but couldn't find salient information. Both of the WM devices I have experience with (TP2, HD2) have stickies all over their boards with all the relevant information you need to get started.
Why is that idea lost on these forums?

My point is, why ask here in particular?
You obviously haven't searched very hard, and not researched other Android devices before posting on a section that, in comparison to others, is lacking. Look at the Magic/Nexus One sections maybe? I know the Magic has a lot more info than you'll find here.
Or here's a bright idea, try the wiki? or even Google!