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Well, according to Boy Genius Report T-mobile will be rolling out their 3G network by summer 2008 which is long overdue. What I'm curious about is how this will affect current users and rates. Will I have to buy a new phone or will my wing be able to use the new 3G network? Will the data rates go up or change from unlimited? Anybody heard any information on this?
Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
will this affect the sucky EDGE??...
will they finish before AT&T?!
will it mean more stability in the connections??
will living near an airport mean you'll still get knocked off when a plane flies overhead??
who knows!.. but we will definitely find out sooner or later, right?
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Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
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Awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to stream some decent videos and data on my wing once 3G comes around! Edge sucks when it comes to that. Appriciate the info!
But I thought the Wing is not 3G capable.
it would only make sense that the 2g network and equipment will still work until everyone has slowly migrated over to the new 3g network and the first phones would work on both networks.
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.... But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)....
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I wanted the Tilt so damn bad I was almost willing to switch providers, but when I found out I could get a Wing for 79 bucks I stuck with T-Mo, thinking I'd wait ANOTHER year for them to roll out 3g. I would just have to buy a Kaiser if they came out with one that wasn't hobbled. (Can't someone put a 624mhz processor, and a decent amount of RAM in one of these? Is that too much to ask?)
Ya' know, maybe I should rethink that. I used a Psion 5 for years before switching to an iPAQ 2215, then a 2755-- all the while thinking: "Man, if I could get a keyboard, phone and Pocket PC rolled into one, that would be the best!"
I've had a Wing for a couple of months and I don't honestly recall one time that I've used the keyboard. Of course, it's keyboard is a piece of junk compared to the Psion 5's, but using the iPAQ's for so long conditioned me into a stylus typist.
I really have high hopes for Firefox portable on 3g though. This summer?--- well, I guess we've all heard that before!
I have heard different things, i surfed the net and these forums and i still get different things. all i wanna know is, is the wing compatible with the new 3G network coming out this summer?
No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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By the time T-mobile has their 3/3.5G..3.5+??.. network up and running smoothly.. HTC might well have a better and much sexier phone than the TyTn II....and from what I could tell the MDA Vario III is higher model of it than the original :O..unlike the Tilt which is a lower model but has this 1 advantage over it's big brother.. hope T-Mobile doesnt water down the Vario III before it gets over here, or should I say if?...and a maybe $300-$500 price tag for Vario III(via upgrade or contract and if they wait long enough it might be running a stock full, stable WinMobile 6.1 rather than buggy leaked one)versus $800+ for Kaiser? not to mention the still unsolved video drivers travesty with it :'(... new Touch Cruise and the P6500(Sedna) are pretty freaking sweet even compared to HTC's flagship TyTn II.
I actually love my phone enough that I might wait till next year for a phone with stock WinMobile 7 and all the freaky powers, motion sensor technology, and processors that phones running it are going to need. Those r going to make my Wing look like Razr! :'( I'll miss you Wing...btw, the TyTn II/Kaiser won't be able to run a lot of the previewed Windows Mobile 7 features either.
T-Mobiles 3G is slated to be substantially faster than AT&T's.
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work, but I have a Hermes and I'm being locked out of my internet in South Florida due to 3G testing, so i'm assuming it will work when it's released since I'm hitting a firewall right now.
A t-mobile rep on that board said they are going to have new pricing, so it's most likely going to be more expensive.
Questions...
I wonder if the prices for the unlimited data plans will change for people who are already in contracts. I'm paying an extra $19.99/month for the Total Internet add-on right now. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...
The Wing has 3G just not the one that we think is compatible to the new network right?
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No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work
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Ummm, isnt Tmo's 3G supposed to be on the 1700 MHz band? That means the tilt etc wont work........
I'm hearing mixed things from everyone. I hope the wing will work but no one knows for sure.
Wing To Shift
im gonna change to the shift soon and hopefully i dont have problems with service
A T-Mobile wing is not a 3G phone so drop it and get a 3G phone
I, obviously, have a Herald and I was wondering that if I get a Mogul and go with Sprint because they have EVDO and apparently their plan would have everything mine has but would be almost 30% cheaper, would that be a good deal?
I was also thinking about the Kaiser and I've read that you can unlock it to work for any kind of service provider but I was wondering if it supports EVDO and I'm just wondering if it was worth switching because of all the buying/selling of things things.
The Herald does has a slow processor and not only is the service plan good but I wondering if either of those phones are "better" than this one?
EDVO and GMS are imcompatible. You won't be able to use a tilt in Sprint's network, only in other GSM networks. (AT&T and Tmobile, for example.)
Where do you live? T-Mobile's 3G roll-out is picking up momentum, they've been cracking out 2-3 cities per week lately. It may not be too far off for you. Of course you will need a new phone, but the Android device is supposed to be announced next week...
I live in El Paso, Texas. Is there a place where I can check on the status of T-Mobile's 3g area progress?
The main thing I want is faster internet for my phone (or possibley a different one) and a faster processor. I was going to sell my Wing since it's only a month old (got a new one ) and get a Mogul on ebay and get Sprint's 70 dollar plan that has all the same features my T-mobile plan has but Sprint's is cheaper and faster internet, plus the phone is better no?
Also. Do you know the specs for this phone? Wow how much better is the Android cause I read a lot of nice things about it
Looks like El Paso isn't getting 3G by the end of 2008, but several other places in Texas already have it or will by the end of the year.
http://tmonews.com/2008/09/t-mobile-officially-announces-3g-cities/
I don't know the specs for the Android phone, but there are some vids on Youtube and it's looking pretty sweet. Supposedly T-Mobile is going to have something official to say on it on Sept. 23.
Ah yeah I've seen videos and read about how people gossip that it's only going to cost 200 dollars. I hope it has a slide-out keyboard.
Hmm damn maybe I should just wait it out then??
Oh I was also wondering if the 5.99 T-Zones proxy hack still works to get full internet? Cause 20 dollars is very outrageous and that's one of the concrete reasons as to why I want a different plan with faster, and cheaper, internet.
Re: T-Zones proxy hack. Some users are reporting that it is still working in certain areas, but T-Mobile is actively closing this loophole. It hasn't worked here in close to a year. Even if it works for you now, I wouldn't bet it will last.
Which data plan are you looking at on Sprint? Some of their 'everything' plans are decent, but IMO $20 for unlimited internet is one of the best deals in the industry.
Hmm that sucks. See I wouldn't have mind paying 20$ for unlimited internet if it went faster than 150kbs/s. This 25kb/s is blasphemy for 20 dollars.
I was looking at sprint's 70$ plan; unlimited texting and picture messaging plus 450 whenever minutes with nights starting at 7pm and their wonderful EV-DO internet. I was planning on buying an HTC Mogul.
I think that's a better deal no? But that Google Android phone is wnticing me to keep T-mobile...
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I live in El Paso, Texas. Is there a place where I can check on the status of T-Mobile's 3g area progress?
The main thing I want is faster internet for my phone (or possibley a different one) and a faster processor. I was going to sell my Wing since it's only a month old (got a new one ) and get a Mogul on ebay and get Sprint's 70 dollar plan that has all the same features my T-mobile plan has but Sprint's is cheaper and faster internet, plus the phone is better no?
Also. Do you know the specs for this phone? Wow how much better is the Android cause I read a lot of nice things about it
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haha me too!
but 3g sounds too expensive haha
Ahh lol well I'm sure the OS for the G1 will be ported... The main reason I wanted a new phone and better internet is because my parents are cheap and can't afford anything and I use internet sharing ALOT for my homework and it's so painfully slow . Plus it would be good to be able to download things that take a few hours rather than a few days.
Yeah but I'm thinking about selling this phone to get it. If the plans are under 100 dollars, I'm going to get it .
Well thanks guys for all the help and answering my questions. I guess I'll wait it out for the G1. I'm glad it's cheap.
buru, do you have EDGE coverage in your area? 25kbs is abysmal, even for straight GPRS! Before EDGE, I could pull close to 40kbs on GPRS, now that EDGE is here my speeds hover just under 200kbs. From what I've heard, some newer phones can surpass 200kbs on EDGE to, if they have up to date hardware with support for the latest EDGE specification. Granted, the Herald is no spring chicken, but you should be able to manage ~175kbs. It doesn't sound like much, but most sites I need to access on my phone offer a mobile site and EDGE speeds are quite tolerable for loading these pages.
Holy **** what?? About 175 kb/s?? Aww **** El Paso, Texas gets nothing good!!
Well I'm not sure but I believe it's GPRS. Plugged in using internet sharing or just downloading on Opera 4.1 my average is always about 25kb/s.
Man that blows that mines rediculously low. Where do you live and should I call T-Mobile and ask what their average speeds should be for my Wing? Cause I do have the total internet.
Damn even at 40kb/s I would be content but 200!! Geez... sadness. Now I'm even more disappointed.
buru- Go to this page and enter your zip code. Be sure to check "Display data coverage" at the bottom. When I searched El Paso, it showed the whole area fully covered by EDGE.
http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx
Are you running the stock ROM on the Wing? It is notorious for being crap. Also, check your data connection settings... perhaps your Wing is only set to GPRS. I'm not sure what the options are, but when I had my Treo 750 you could choose between GPRS and GRPS/3G... maybe the Wing has an option for EDGE...?
**** yeah I'll check it right now.
Lol the stock ROM is mad slow, screw that . I'm using ttran's wonderful Open Touch 6.5 no throttle and no spb.
I don't believe there's an option for EDGE cause when I connect to the internet it always displays "Connecting to GPRS..." regardless of anything.
Hmm... I'll mess with the internet options a bit and see what's up. If I find that everything points to my internet speeds being faster, should I call T-Mobile or go to their store over here and ask what's up?
Thanks also btw. But does the Wing even support EDGE? Maybe that's why?
The Wing definitely supports EDGE. If it is not a problem with the internet connection settings, you should call Customer Care (1-800-937-8997) and ask for PDA support. Be sure to call from a different phone, as they will want to go through some steps with you on the Wing. Don't even bother going into a store because this is going to be beyond the capabilities of 99% of the reps, and they will just put you on the phone with support anyways.
Hmm I think I will because I looked in the data connections and the only options are Cellular line (GPRS), Cellular line, My ISP, and some other one.
Damn that sucks though. So for sure my phone's internet speed should be faster than 25kb/s?
Based on your options, GPRS is the right setting. Technically, EDGE is a form of GPRS (unlike 3G, which is a whole new protocol). You should be getting more than 25kb for sure.
For the record, using my wing here in Tennessee, it ALWAYS says connecting to GPRS, but it displays an E for Edge network, or a G for GPRS Data network next to the signal icon up top of the screen. In most of the area(in backwoods TN) I get pretty darn good Edge coverage, running around 150 to 175 kbps. Definitely check it out, might try a different ROM if all else fails, just to eliminate that as a problem.
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Hmm well it's always an E next to the network icon but it's easily less than 40kb/s all the time.
**** it I'm calling T-Mobile and asking how fast my internet speeds should be over here where I live.
I'm sure it isn't the ROM I'm using... It's ttran's OT 6.5 and I'm sure almost everyone else is also using it and not getting crappy ass speeds?
so i was just browsing the tmobile site, and i noticed that if you add the snap to your cart as a new contract data is selected by default. why are they doing this, i know several people who just use the dash for a phone with no internet because of the lovely keypad and the many useful apps.
so if i upgrade to the snap are they going to make me add the 25 dollar plan?
if so im not upgrading through them. no 3g in my area, totally not with the extra money right now.
(yea this seems more of an hofo question but i decided to ask here cause i like this forum better)
Yes you are required to get the Data plan, you however are not required to keep it. 24 hours after you place your order simply go back into T-Mobile's web site go into your account and remove the data plan option. Simple as pie
good info to have, just might have to get a snap before the end of the year
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good info to have, just might have to get a snap before the end of the year
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I love my Dash, but I cant live without my new Dash 3G. I have only begun to customize it. While I did have 6.1 on my old Dash it was nothing compared to this new one, its so damn fast (even with T-Mo's junk on it). So far the only 'problem' I am having with it is the GPS is a bit slow to lock on (about 10 seconds average), it is faster if I turn on the assisted but there has to be a way to speed up the sat lock
is it really that much better than the dash? how is the cam quality? i have two dash's and one takes great pics, and the other takes so-so pics.
my wife wants sprint when out contract ends. so i might so on a single tmo contract with data and the dash 3g
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is it really that much better than the dash? how is the cam quality? i have two dash's and one takes great pics, and the other takes so-so pics.
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I posted why I think it is better in another thread so I will save repeating myself. With that said it has a Bigger battery, Bigger Keyboard, Faster processor. Seems a bit more user friendly too(unless you are using the cooked roms on your old dash) You be the judge.
They updated the cam to 2mp so it is a little improvement over the old dash. It does seem to have a lot more Cam features.
Well worth the upgrade IMHO.
I had an interesting experience upgrading my dash to the dash 3g. When I finally made up my mind to purchase the new version I went to the T-Mobile store (corp store) where they told me that I could not purchase the upgrade without a data plan. I decided to hold off and try it on their website. Viola, If you upgrade through the website you are not required to add the data plan. Just a little FYI if you already have T-Mo. Don't know how long it'll be before they catch that but it worked for e
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just got the dash 3g and wondering if it could be flashed to wm 6.5...... anybody know?
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just got the dash 3g and wondering if it could be flashed to wm 6.5...... anybody know?
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ookba is making a rom. note the sticky'd wishlist.
Upgrade to T-Mobile Dash 3G (HTC Maple)
I just upgraded my step son's Blackberry Curve to the Dash 3G (HTC Maple..Snap...Ozone) and there was no mention of having to upgrade to a data plan with the purchase of the Dash 3G. I configured his Curve to run with web2go, the $9.99 plan and currently on my Wing, I run T-Mobile Web (grandfathered) $5.99 using APN epc.tmobile.com. I had a conversation with Tier 2 support and they told me the Dash 3G would only run on their higher priced plans, but they said the same thing about my Wing and his Blackberry and I can tell you it's a breeze to edit "Manage Connections" in Windows Mobile 6.5 and I have no proxy settings on either phone and they work. One note, for Blackberry users the APN is "internet2.voicestream.com" with web2go; take care.
Which is the better phone? I'm currently using a Dash Excalibur with Tmobile but my contract is up and I can go where I want.
I do like the look of the Dash 3G over the Sprint Snap. However, to sync my email, I need to purchase a Good Messaging license for $240/year with Tmobile. With Sprint, the Good Message license is included.
Tmobile has been my only cellphone carrier. 3G is not in my area but it is rumoured to be available in December.
So if I go with the Dash 3G, I'm looking at +$20 more for the phone and then the additional $240 year for email syncing.
I did not really care for the plastic look of the Sprint Snap. But Sprint throws in a few cool things such as NFL Network etc... Any idea of the cost of the Sprint Navigator GPS that is included? The Dash 3G has Telenav which is $14.95/month I believe.
Also, the Verizon Ozone is an option, but I have not see or read anything about that device.
heres all 3 side by side as per phone scoop..
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/compare.php?id[]=2246&id[]=2020&id[]=2062&id[]=&id[]=
feature wise imho the Ozone wins...ive had the chance to play with the Dash 3g and the Snap..but Ozone won over all with the wifi quickness, cdma & gsm compatibility and most importantly PRICE!
check it out..and read the reviews that should help u make ur decision.
Late.
i have the dash 3g it has basically all the features as the ozone but it has a the track ball instead of the d pad which i find a lot better with web pages and just getting around without a touchscreen plus with it being gsm its a bit thinner..... and the battery life is a little better compared to the other 2..... i don't think u can go wrong ether way there great phones
I owned a dash for a few years, loved it. I have the Ozone now, and tell you what, GET IT. spec for spec they are really about the same, but the price on the ozone. $50. Get the data package, but get WifiRouter for $20 flat fee I think, then you can teather via USB or WIFI and bypass verizons additional charge.
I have not had this thing lock up lick my dash did, and 6.5 will be available for it soon.
I went and visited Verizon and TMobile today and checked out each phone. The Sprint Snap is out, no Wifi.
I liked the Dash 3G much better than the Ozone. The styling was nicer, bigger keyboard and trackball was great. The Ozone was good, but I did not care for the shiny plastic on the front and the D-pad was sunken in a bit, unlike my Dash Excalibur. The trackball seemed like a major improvement. I only used it for a bit and I liked it. But I'm wondering if prolonged use would cause problems with soreness in the wrist.
I am also wondering about the Verizon vs TMobile data network. I do not live in a TMobile 3G area so I will be using Edge (rumor we may have TMobile 3G by end of the year). I would have 3G with Verizon. I have not web browsed much since my Excalibur would not load many sites due to memory issues. This may change with a newer device. I did some speed tests and on TMobile (non-3g) I get 180kb/sec. With Verizon, the first 2 tests were also 180kb/sec but then the 3rd went up to 580kb/sec. I have heard that Verizon has a much faster data network than TMobile.
Tmobile rep said the GPS was unlocked so I could use it with Google Maps. I do not wish to pay extra monthly for GPS. I heard Verizon is unlocked as well.
Verizon gave me a quote on a contract and it's $1 more than what I'm paying with T-Mobile. (unlimited data, no tethering)
So if I go with the Dash 3G, I'm looking at $100 more for the phone and the $240 for my corp email sync plus non-3G network. I am not sure if the Dash 3G is worth $340 more over the next year. I'm going to think about it this week but I'm still up in the air.
modding the dash 3g
Does anyone know if you can mod out a dash 3g for instance can you port android to it? I'm interested in buying one but I'm not a winmo fan and I'm on a rooted g1 so I would at least like to be able to mod it out if possible
I tried Dash 3G at corp store
tethering works 100% out of the box, and under 3 modes
USB
bt DUN
bt PAN
once I figured out how to add Trad Chinese support, I'll buy it
So im thinking about switching over to simple to see how it is. Anyone know if theyve figured out how to get 3g and voice on simple mobile.
no
not yet, i don't think it will ever happen i got the simple mobile with the tab too.but my model is the euro version unlock.
The simple mobile guy in my local mall said that all tmo devices should work with their sim. they also seem to use tmobile towers.
I haven't confirmed this, but would love to know if anyone with a tmo tab can try it.
it will work with simple mobile
but you will not get 3G & VOICE at the same time. it's one or the other lol.
But 3G data should work with a simple mobile sim?
yes it should, i dont see why not?
try it and let us know.
so everything works just as it did with tmobile. i pay 60 bucks for unlimited everything.
Will you use Roto's modem switcher to get your 3g or voice? We need your feedback.
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I have been with Simple Mobile for 1 full month now. The rep that I bought the card from, who also installed it and set it up, stated that I'd get 3g speed, for $50 a month. NOPE, not even using the Roto modemswitch!!!! $50 a month only gets 2g(edge) and at that, it's slower than slow can be. And the tech support at simple mobile, well they just don't understand anything I explain, or maybe I'm just expecting the edge network to be faster.
My experience is, they don't care about your problems, you signed up for $50 a month, and this is what you'll get: Unlimited Calls, Text, & Internet(Limited to 2g)
I signed up on 8/16 and I got phone calls, but never could send out any MMS or download anything from the market, or download any songs using the "edge" cause it was just too slow. The download rate was actually slower than a 56k modem dial up connection. I have a photo of the speedtest.net outcome. Ping was 455ms, download speed was 11kbps, upload was the same.
Now I may be expecting a bit faster internet, but I tried to download a song, 4MB. It took 30 minutes to download........anyone else think that's a little slow?????
My biggest issue is, they put the blame on the rep who signed me up, stating that it's his fault and they aren't able to give me a break on this next months service. I tried to give them the best example I could, "What if I bought a Phone from Best Buy and the service was with t-mobile(which I'll never do again)?" I don't think tmobile would say, sorry Mr. House, but you're going to have to go back to Best Buy and tell them they didn't program your phone correctly. But anyway, we'll take your money and you can pay more next month......
Oh Kay, well I did pay the extra $10 a month and my 3g speeds are between 2-3MB per minute download, so it's quite an improvement.
I use the Roto Modemswitcher for 3g network when I'm driving. I haven't yet figured out how to forward my phone calls to my OnStar phone, but hopefully I'll figure it out soon.
All in all, the call quality is great, I'd recommend Roto Modemswitcher for all, cause the 2g is slow slow slow, and mostly, you aren't going to get wifi everywhere you are, so when you wanna look something up, having the switcher to go back to 3g while out on the town, will come in very handy.
Well, NOW, i'm paying $60 a month.
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I have been with Simple Mobile for 1 full month now. The rep that I bought the card from, who also installed it and set it up, stated that I'd get 3g speed, for $50 a month. NOPE, not even using the Roto modemswitch!!!! $50 a month only gets 2g(edge) and at that, it's slower than slow can be. And the tech support at simple mobile, well they just don't understand anything I explain, or maybe I'm just expecting the edge network to be faster.
My experience is, they don't care about your problems, you signed up for $50 a month, and this is what you'll get: Unlimited Calls, Text, & Internet(Limited to 2g)
I signed up on 8/16 and I got phone calls, but never could send out any MMS or download anything from the market, or download any songs using the "edge" cause it was just too slow. The download rate was actually slower than a 56k modem dial up connection. I have a photo of the speedtest.net outcome. Ping was 455ms, download speed was 11kbps, upload was the same.
Now I may be expecting a bit faster internet, but I tried to download a song, 4MB. It took 30 minutes to download........anyone else think that's a little slow?????
My biggest issue is, they put the blame on the rep who signed me up, stating that it's his fault and they aren't able to give me a break on this next months service. I tried to give them the best example I could, "What if I bought a Phone from Best Buy and the service was with t-mobile(which I'll never do again)?" I don't think tmobile would say, sorry Mr. House, but you're going to have to go back to Best Buy and tell them they didn't program your phone correctly. But anyway, we'll take your money and you can pay more next month......
Oh Kay, well I did pay the extra $10 a month and my 3g speeds are between 2-3MB per minute download, so it's quite an improvement.
I use the Roto Modemswitcher for 3g network when I'm driving. I haven't yet figured out how to forward my phone calls to my OnStar phone, but hopefully I'll figure it out soon.
All in all, the call quality is great, I'd recommend Roto Modemswitcher for all, cause the 2g is slow slow slow, and mostly, you aren't going to get wifi everywhere you are, so when you wanna look something up, having the switcher to go back to 3g while out on the town, will come in very handy.
Well, NOW, i'm paying $60 a month.
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Are u still on simplemobile? How is the service so far with the galaxy tab? Does mms work and does Internet and voice work at the same time? Thanks