This question has been bothering me for a while now as there is nothing wrong with my current build rom with 6.1. I have been wondering if it is worth upgrading to 6.5 (apart from testing/ hassle of reinstalling all my applications).
Apart from the UI change are there any other noticable differences worth the upgrade? Would you say the 6.5 brings new life to the device (because of the UI) or are there other changes such as the way it manages the battery, gps etc.
I hear there is a small performance hit but that is understandable to power all the new ui but apart from that the new cooked up roms are pretty much there in terms of a near perfect rom.
The only things I noticed and found useful are better finger-scrolling (however, I can't select or drag&drop icons in Total commander when scrollbar is visible) and larger menus. No big changes, still "just Windows mobile".
Just like with any software upgrade, generally it's worth it - you get new features and bugfixes, etc... Likewise, the downside is higher resource utilization and new bugs What's of more value in your universe?
The answer is... 47.
You'll have to try it and then you'll find an answer that you may like better.
No!
The answer is 42!!!
Know the facts...
i think i know exactly what you mean, oh well i will have a look tonight at the 6.5 roms and see what has been cooked up. Who knows i may like it.
Does the touchflo work on 6.5 or does it use the default windows system?
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i think i know exactly what you mean, oh well i will have a look tonight at the 6.5 roms and see what has been cooked up. Who knows i may like it.
Does the touchflo work on 6.5 or does it use the default windows system?
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I think that Duttys 6.5 ROM includes TF3D 2.5 - the latest - but don't quote me.
TF3D (ver 2.0 and 2.1) works with WM 6.5. if you don't want/like TF3D, there are several cooked ROMs that exclude TF3D.
Definately flash this, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524032, i did a couple of months ago and been updating regularly, the speed difference is awesome.
I have had major issues with battery life since I upgraded to the new SPL and WM 6.5.
I have noticed no less than a 40% decrease in battery life standby and talk time.
I have tried to go back to wm6.1 but still have the same issue so maybe its something to do with the SPL level?
Is there an easy way to go back to the original factory load? (warranty load)
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i think the 6.5 interface is awful, with icons spread all over the place. Not clean at all. i think its a step backwards. dutty 3.9 is my fav rom
I tried it out last night for a few hours and i have to say with the HTC touch flo and other things there is not much difference really to make me want to stick with 6.5. Ok there is a new menu system and the windows have a little ui improvement. Other than that its all the same + with the new bugs that xda devs are dealing with.
I am too going to stick with 6.1 as its been out longer and more bugs have been ironed out.
If it had some worth while features apart from ui i would give it a longer try and post bugs to chefs etc but its hard to test and continue using my phone, especially when i use constantly for call, txt, email,web and gps. It takes ages to reinstall all my apps and apply config.
i say it is worth it....... i hav the energyrom which in my own opinion is the best...... energyrom 6.5 with titunium
The only interest would be to access the "settings" menu in 2 clicks.
But I hate titanium and their ugly honeycomb menus.
I stay on Manila.
So for me : no interest.
i tried it and got a little confused with the menus as i did not know where anything was, the new menu system is also finger friendly but a sure waste of space.
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i think the 6.5 interface is awful, with icons spread all over the place. Not clean at all. i think its a step backwards. dutty 3.9 is my fav rom
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I agree, step backward's,like it's been changed,just for changes sake.
But you can organize them, using reSTART or do it manually
Ok then,an organized bunch of icon's all over the place.
6.5 seems to me,to be trying to appeal to both finger and stylus camp's,and doing neither particularly well.......TF3D on 6.1 is far better compromise for finger and stylus imo.
I use WM because I like the vastly larger amount of info that can be viewed and used on screen that stylus use afford's,bloating the size of menu's for finger use like in the app drop down menu's so that I have to scroll to find what I want and move twice as far up the screen because of the oversized space's,is not what I want....thus backward's step for me.
There's also a CAB makes the menu smaller too.
No doubt,probably will be one to give back the list start menu also.......question is "is WM6.5 worth the upgrade"
If they had gone back to pre WM5 volatile storage,and sped it up 50% it would for me,as it stand's,it's just the same 6.1/6/5 OS with a few more changes
Is there a way to change the start menu in wm6.5 back to 6.1 style? I like the scrolling and a few little effects but apart from the ui i do not see it worthwhile.
Its good to have something new and playwith but from the roms being released, the bugs still need to be ironed out.
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Will you please give your experience with win 6.5 build 11.
My experience:
Positives: Very cool: More storage
Negatives: Frequent crashes especially upon installation of new programs. Like I installed new version of spb keyboard, it crashed altogether and I had to hard reset.
It is more slower than 6.1.
i thought it was it was a kewl upgrade until i tried it .............
Its much slower than 6.1 not just a little but much slower, looks great but some of the options in the settings menu were missing that i was looking for but all in all i prefer the 6.1 over 6.5....which i loaded back a few mins ago(6.1)....cant wait for 7 next yr to see what tht has to offer but im assuming Viva's processor might its work cut out for it lolololol
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i thought it was it was a kewl upgrade until i tried it .............
Its much slower than 6.1 not just a little but much slower, looks great but some of the options in the settings menu were missing that i was looking for but all in all i prefer the 6.1 over 6.5....which i loaded back a few mins ago(6.1)....cant wait for 7 next yr to see what tht has to offer but im assuming Viva's processor might its work cut out for it lolololol
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Thanks for your reply!
Yes I am also of the same opinion. How can I go back to original ROM? Because we have changed the hard spl. I shall be thankful.
well, for me, it works great, except it doesnt have windows live and onenote mobile, i had to download it (except onenote cos i dont need it) on my own... speed is okay, not as fast as wm6.1, startup is slow, the new lock screen, honeycomb and titanium is cool, but the panel for email and text is EXTREMLY BUGGY (they show a X sign and nothing else), album and touchflo 2d seems to respond faster, theres a few bugs but they dont really show up much, the new touch engine (or watever the thing is called for the touch scrolling) is great, but theres touchflo scrolling which makes it really annoying (btw, is there any way to remove the scrolling? i changed the registry but its still there)... but for me, its okay for everyday use...
P.S according to the ORIGINAL POST ON PDAVIET, its based on the iolite rom(i think) and i DONT recommend you guys to upgrade to v12 but wait for v13, so in the meantime, use the v11 rom...
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Thanks for your reply!
How can I go back to original ROM? Because we have changed the hard spl. I shall be thankful.
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i too am trying to find a way... too bad theres no solution yet to change to original spl...
guys, when you say go back to the original rom, do you mean the version with 6.1? all you have to do is flash your viva again but using the
HTC OPAL ROM 6.1 V05 - Build 21014.1.6.0 version you can find in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=494083
That rom is from PhamQuang too
its quite good enough,.. but sending message always notify me delivery report, and get load.... , i cant unchecked the box..
Hey guys
In my never ending quest to find the perfect rom i have really become attached to Manila. Its a slick interface plain and simple and nothing Microsoft has done can top it in my opinion.
In saying that, the enhancements Microsoft introduced in 6.5 make it a worthwhile upgrade. Like the new graphics, start menu, scroll bars etc.
Now im aware you can install the manila cab but being cooked in means it runs alot faster, ive also run into some stability issues running Tran Minh Mans 6.5 rom and the manila cab which could be fixed if it was cooked in. Also some shortcuts are dead like the "All Settings" shortcut.
The Titanium Today Plugin in 6.5 is just awful. Not functional, hard to use and lacks eye candy.
Im hoping the cooks for Polaris feel the same way i do?
EDIT: I have no idea why i wrote "to" instead of "the" in the poll...
I agree
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Hey guys
In my never ending quest to find the perfect rom i have really become attached to Manila. Its a slick interface plain and simple and nothing Microsoft has done can top it in my opinion.
In saying that, the enhancements Microsoft introduced in 6.5 make it a worthwhile upgrade. Like the new graphics, start menu, scroll bars etc.
Now im aware you can install the manila cab but being cooked in means it runs alot faster, ive also run into some stability issues running Tran Minh Mans 6.5 rom and the manila cab which could be fixed if it was cooked in. Also some shortcuts are dead like the "All Settings" shortcut.
The Titanium Today Plugin in 6.5 is just awful. Not functional, hard to use and lacks eye candy.
Im hoping the cooks for Polaris feel the same way i do?
EDIT: I have no idea why i wrote "to" instead of "the" in the poll...
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I agree.
Greetz, Steady Ron.
Titanium is just horrible.
m2d...titanium
I use titanium because...finally i can use a background i will...and titanium has very nice plugins...but before i had a polaris i had a nokia n70 and i was able to use the background i will in m2d it was not so i easy...because of the digital clock..etc...and the rest of wm6.5 looks like an normal handy menu (like n70) with touch.....i like it....
Thanks to all the cookers and those roms...thanks...thanks and thanks
hope a final ver. comes soon...
Sorry for the english...i`m german..
I love titanium And I will stay using it, until android is totally functional or WM7 is there
????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love titanium...but for all who love m2d.....install the latest cab and enjoy...what is the problem...??? i have it and switch to compare....
I have a T-mobile Compact 5 (aka Topaz) running wm6.1. I understand that in the near future 6.5 will be made available. With this, will there be a new touchflow interface? I have seen screenshits of 6.5 and I cant say I'm over excited about it. I hope very much that TF is not discontinued on 6.5. Anyone knows?
regards
Personally I suspect it'll look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igRAl0swRsI. I hope it does.
Each to his own ... can't say the new manila is doing much for me, as evidenced on latest custom roms. Just looks like clutter, especially on the home screen.
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Each to his own ... can't say the new manila is doing much for me, as evidenced on latest custom roms. Just looks like clutter, especially on the home screen.
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im with you there however theres a few improvements that i prefer over the original touchflo, such as the favorite contacts screen. I also like the landscape photo gallery however at the moment that still runs a little chunky for me
Thanks for your replies.
I look forward to it. The short cuts on the home screen will be a BIG help for the way I use my phone.
Cheers
Hi
Searched the forum with no luck.
Could anyone please tell me the advantages & disadvantages of WM6.5.5 and is there a ROM out there that is very close to stock with this version of windows mobile.
Thanks
You must feel the difference yourself.
While many people don´t like the combination of Sense and WinMo buttons at the bottom of the screen, some seem to prefer it.
It lies within the nature of the change that it is impossible to have a 6.5.x ROM which would be close to any existing stock ROM.
other than the menu bar at the bottom there isn't a huge amount off difference.
I certainly wouldn't use it as a basis to decide for o against which rom I use.
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other than the menu bar at the bottom there isn't a huge amount off difference.
I certainly wouldn't use it as a basis to decide for o against which rom I use.
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I don't know. The ugliness factor is a big part of it for me. The esthetic of Sense UI is ruined by those "additions" in later builds of WM, in my view. I hope that WM 6.6 will allow us to remove them. If not, I'll stay with the current build and be fine with it.
The new buttons, etc. thin the lipstick on the pig considerably, and it is enough to make me decide not to use it. To each his own, I guess.
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I don't know. The ugliness factor is a big part of it for me. The esthetic of Sense UI is ruined by those "additions" in later builds of WM, in my view. I hope that WM 6.6 will allow us to remove them. If not, I'll stay with the current build and be fine with it.
The new buttons, etc. thin the lipstick on the pig considerably, and it is enough to make me decide not to use it. To each his own, I guess.
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Yea it also looks pretty ugly to me thats why I asked if theres any advantages that would be worth the compromise.
you can skin those buttons to be smaller do they don't interfere anymore, can make all the difference.
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I don't know. The ugliness factor is a big part of it for me. The esthetic of Sense UI is ruined by those "additions" in later builds of WM, in my view. I hope that WM 6.6 will allow us to remove them. If not, I'll stay with the current build and be fine with it.
The new buttons, etc. thin the lipstick on the pig considerably, and it is enough to make me decide not to use it. To each his own, I guess.
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thinking the same thing Mate... what more, the more I read about wm7, the less I'm excited about it. I'll stick to official 1.66 unless htc will decide to give us a new build, but imho winmo 6.5 does the job pretty damn well, so if it's anything above it like 6.5.3, I'll more likely skip it.
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I don't know. The ugliness factor is a big part of it for me. The esthetic of Sense UI is ruined by those "additions" in later builds of WM, in my view. I hope that WM 6.6 will allow us to remove them. If not, I'll stay with the current build and be fine with it.
The new buttons, etc. thin the lipstick on the pig considerably, and it is enough to make me decide not to use it. To each his own, I guess.
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I hate the new style ... Will keep my 6.5 ...
I quite like the buttons at the bottom.
When I started using my fingers to control it more than a stylus I felt having to go to the top of the screen to close/ok stuff didn't make sense. I was used to this style from previous winmo phones though.
When I used a 6.5.5 rom it made one handed use MUCH easier. I don't mind the look tbh and fits well with the navigation with sense. I have MaxManilla or something which is quite a busy front screen so I can see minimalists not liking it.
But how about stability, speed, power consumption?
That's the facts that I'm intrested in! if the button's a bit bigger or smaller... I want my internet connection to be established asap when I need it, but habe a long battery life. and that my phone works without any softreset every half a day!
Did anyone check those facts? give us a hint?
i personally hate that bar at the bottom on WM 6.5.x (with the start button, action and menu)
Im currently using WM 6.5 adn like the simple THIN bar with "phone and menu"
This is the only reason i havent flashed any custom roms...Unless i AM able to change them back to the old looking bottom bar?
Does anyone know if its possible?
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i personally hate that bar at the bottom on WM 6.5.x (with the start button, action and menu)
Im currently using WM 6.5 adn like the simple THIN bar with "phone and menu"
This is the only reason i havent flashed any custom roms...Unless i AM able to change them back to the old looking bottom bar?
Does anyone know if its possible?
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Look for dutty's HG ROMS on htcpedia.com He has a 6.5 and a 6.5.5 of his rom and they are very close to stock.
After switching to 6.5.x I wouldn't go back.
At the moment I'm using Miri's Standard version from over on htcpedia.com.
If you're really looking for some eye candy, check out energy roms! both 23xxx and 21xxx com.
But I haven't had the time yet to compare both in speed and stability. Does anybody have some experience in BOTH of the COMs?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784
speed feels the same. But the most irritatiting thing is the thin top bar! it looks like ****!
Also the animations on 6.5.x is also inferior.
Im using 6.5.5 from DsE Black Edition ROM v7 for about 2 weeks now. Its a stable ROM and really fast.
I never had any problem with the 3g connection, neither under 6.5 nor now on 6.5.5. It always connects when i want it to.
Take a look at the screenshot of my homescreen. It has the starmenu button and the close/ok button disabled (HD2 has hardware keys for it). Looks pretty sleek, doesnt it?
I really like the newer builds...everything looks better. Just check out the windows mobile system settings. Nice checkboxes and scrollbars, better looking message boxes and so on.
I'm also using cleanex DsE Black Edition. This has the 6.5.x buttons mapped to the hardware ones below so you don't use up the screen with duplicates.
Also this rom is super fast and stable
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Im using 6.5.5 from DsE Black Edition ROM v7 for about 2 weeks now. Its a stable ROM and really fast.
I never had any problem with the 3g connection, neither under 6.5 nor now on 6.5.5. It always connects when i want it to.
Take a look at the screenshot of my homescreen. It has the starmenu button and the close/ok button disabled (HD2 has hardware keys for it). Looks pretty sleek, doesnt it?
I really like the newer builds...everything looks better. Just check out the windows mobile system settings. Nice checkboxes and scrollbars, better looking message boxes and so on.
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how did you disable the start menu/ok buttons? im in the process of downloading cleanex core 655 but the biggest issue for me is the start menu at the bottom, as it gets in the way of sense UI
6.5.5 has been a quality jump for me, the standard applications/dialogue are heaps easier to use, buttons are finger friendly (while 6.5 buttons are strictly stilus-friendly).
The only downside, which I'm not sure is because of 6.5.5 (what's sure is that after several 6.5 roms, this problem appears only with the first 6.5.5 rom I flashed) is that WM seems to be very happily closing applications in background even if there's heaps of free ram, just like the virtual memory becomes scarce very soon. And I not only mean ACR, but also mortplayer playing music in background while I have tomtom showing the way and navicomputer recording the track data. With just those three applications running I have at least 210MB pohysical ram free, and yet I get autoclosing.
Done a little bit of searching but can't seem to find an answer to this question.
I've already flashed to HSPL and basically I'm now looking for a stable leaked or cooked ROM that works well with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 on my HTC HD2. A WM 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 version is preferred so that its possible to get the taskbar, start menu, etc altered to the way I'd like it, as that doesn't appear to be possible with the bog standard 6.5 release I think?
Does anyone have any suggestions or use a leaked/cooked ROM with SPB 3.5 with no major issues?
Many thanks.
All versions of spb have been power sapping in my experience so I wouldn't recommend any.
Anyone?
I've seen some videos on YouTube etc where people are using 6.5.3 on SPB 3.5 but they don't mention the actual rom.
Some info would be helpful as I don't want to have to test numerous roms or potentially harm my phone.
you will have to test it yourself by the looks, i would have thought the cooked rom wouldnt an the issue
I've tested SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 with most of my earlier custom ROMs and never had any problems. To be honest though I've fallen out of love with it: some aspects such as the contacts list are really ugly compared with Sense, and there is a lot of superfluous iconage that you can't hide or remove...it seems very cluttered and clunky since I've gotten used to Sense. I did notice a performance hit when using SPB as opposed to Sense too.
Out of interest, what is it that you prefer about SPB? I found that the only reason I was persevering in the end was because I had paid for the software!
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I've tested SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 with most of my earlier custom ROMs and never had any problems. To be honest though I've fallen out of love with it: some aspects such as the contacts list are really ugly compared with Sense, and there is a lot of superfluous iconage that you can't hide or remove...it seems very cluttered and clunky since I've gotten used to Sense. I did notice a performance hit when using SPB as opposed to Sense too.
Out of interest, what is it that you prefer about SPB? I found that the only reason I was persevering in the end was because I had paid for the software!
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The level of customization possible with SPB Shell 3.5 (together with Mskip ultimate) puts this interface light years ahead of SENSE in terms of functionality.
I understand that there are customisation options that Sense doesn't have but what exactly do they give you in terms of day-to-day usablilty?
I'm not criticizing your preference, I'm just interested as I find the simplicity of Sense to be deceptive as in terms of raw USABILITY it offers just as quick access to core functions as SPB but also FEELS nice. Many of the functions of SPB seem a little too showy and slightly pointless - like the spinning cylinder thing - and there is no way to remove the icons that lead to them. Maybe I should try SPB again but...Hmm well it just seems a little out of date, and I'm not keen on those Androidy cartoon icons that Mskip offers
Looking forward to V5 coming out though, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
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Many of the functions of SPB seem a little too showy and slightly pointless - like the spinning cylinder thing - and there is no way to remove the icons that lead to them.
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True, but the idiotic cylinder is the only idiotic feature you can't disable in SPB.
Maybe I should try SPB again but...Hmm well it just seems a little out of date, and I'm not keen on those Androidy cartoon icons that Mskip offers.
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For me, Mskip is nothing about cartoonish icons, rather it gives me the ability to get rid of the lower bottom bar which originally links to things I don't need. Also, it gives me to use invisible icons, which I use on top of widgets to gain extra functionality.
I understand that there are customisation options that Sense doesn't have but what exactly do they give you in terms of day-to-day usablilty?
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In terms of day to day usability, well, let's take the main screen. In SENSE, a huge part of it is taken by a useless clock, you also can't watch more than 1 appointment (and even with the recent extension to watch more, you still need to slide your finder to see more than 1), you also can't see your tasks at all. In my main screen I have a preview of several appointments and tasks with very functional widgets. I've customized it using an invisible icon so that clicking on the appointments widget takes me directly to Thumbcall's "make new appointment" link, and the same for tasks. I also get mail/sms/missed phone call/voicemail notification on the main screen using widgets.
After some tweaking, SPB Shell 3.5 feels like a glove on your hand, yet with the SENSE UI I never get this feeling, it's more cumbersome and things aren't exactly where I want them to be. Also, I hate the stupid swipe in order to switch between tabs, it's slow and inaccurate.
Looking forward to V5 coming out though, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
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Please don't, V5 offers nothing above V3.5, apart from some nice 3D effects. It really should have gotten a V3.6 mark (But "5" is simply stupid).
The reason they skipped ahead to 5 is something to do with the number "4" being unlucky in eastern countries, or so I've read.
I got pulled in and paid for 3.5 after seeing seeing some HTC HD2 devices on youtube with different themes using its shell. But I am eagerly awaiting SPB MS 5 myself as I am a sucker for eyecandy with the ability to have as much custimization as possible a big plus in my eyes. It's a matter of taste.
All this aside I've been trying numerous 6.5.x roms and I have yet to find one that does not have some glitch somewhere or work seamlessly with SPB 3.5.
So again, if anyone out there is using a cooked rom that is 6.5.3 onwards with SPB 3.5 with little trouble, I'd be greatful to know which one.
i have used spb 3.5 withe the miri xtra light roms. currently on 5.1 but will be flashing 5.2 tonight. only one from the range i have had issues wih is 5.1. hope that
I'm using Leo Lite V2.5 ROM with SPB Shell 3.5 and have no problems...
What problems are you talking about ?
Spb 3.5 problems resolved
HI , I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM ON MY HTC HD2 A FEW DAYS AGO ND I RESOLVE WITH THIS PROGRAM (PocketShield_Setup) IS A LOCK AND UNLOCK APP. AND U CAN CHOSE MANY FUCTION ON HOW TO LOCK OR UNLOCK UR DIVICE AND ONE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS GIVES U THE OPORTUNITY TO EVERY TIME THAT U UNLOCK YOUR HD2 WILL TAKE U BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HTC SENSE SCREEN WITH ALL THE SETTINGS WORKING AND BACK TO UR MB 3.5 IF UR WANT WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
I HOPE THIS HELP U AND SORRY FOR MY INGLISH