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Touch HD playing videos

How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
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bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity

manuelcalavera said:
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
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Its not only bigger screen... its also bigger resolution (By 25%)...
If its another type of screen, it could even have better performance at less ennergy consumption
Great video tough i can't undestand that language either.

atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
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I don't understand what you mean.
the maximum of vids you can play (or lets say that the screen will show you) is ofcourse its own resolution. So you will not see real HD videos as this screen has not got a real HD resolution. But its own resolution is no problem for the CPU. Playing a movie with a bigger size, will just downscale the video to the resoultion of the HD but as there is more data to process, it may slow the CPU more down, depending of how big the movie is. but you would not want to play a 1080p video on this anyway as it would just use up huge amount of storage space, but doesn't look better. You will get the best and sharpest images if you convert your movies to the exact resolution of the screen.

Oh I understood your point, cause you probably use PocketDivXEncoder..
I was just comparing with HTC Kaiser.. On videos as well as other stuff, it sucked.

This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?

donbronzi said:
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
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i cant imagine that the HD as any problem with videos. It often just highly depends on the play. Windows media play is crap in playing videos most of the time. But even my old Compaq Ipaq could play videos very smooth.
Some players are faster then others.

language is czech

I thought it was Czech!!
But can you translate that part?
I think that it isn't very fluid the streaming..
Sometimes we notice some delays.. On my Diamond I can see it too..

atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos?
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to answer the original question, no it will not be able to play HD videos.
HD by definition is at least 720p, that's 720p or 1080p by today's market distribution, may be later on, there will be some weird resolution at 960p or something like that. but right now HD video are only available in 720p or 1080p
1. the video chip is not powerful enough to decode HD content,
2. windows mobile 6 doesn't support HD content
3. Touch HD only has screen resolution of 800x640, again far from HD
4. CPU isn't power enough to decode HD content (even a full desktop/laptop 500 MHz cpu isn't enough to decode, let alone a stripped down mobile cpu.)

im sure that this "HD" will have some serious problems on playing good resolution videos ...
man , qualcomm's 528 Mhz is the CPU of htc diamond, and they let that beast to have this heart on his chest ! its not fair

I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAROWXVQiw&feature=related
Look at 7 min, he shows a youtube movie wvga quality. It doesn't play very smooth either. Let's hope its because of a bad connection or something.

And lets not forget that the units floating around as preview units did carry unfinished ROM and early-stage drivers

Lucas0511 said:
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
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oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.

buggybug0 said:
oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic.
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i am thinking of the OP's original question "can HD play HD videos" of course i understand the resolution of this phone and the video it will play.
so i dont know what you are thinking posting without reading the entire thread.
my post, which you quoted was wishing for playing good video at a decent frame rate. sure you can play videos on your 6 year old ppc, but try play, say a jet li movie on there, all his actions are a blur because the framerate isn't fast enough to capture all his kungfu actions. dido for sports videos. you understand now?
and if you are confused regarding why the OP want to watch and HD video on a non HD display, well i can tell you it is possible to put a video with higher resolution on a device which lower resolution display. it will just be upto that CPU to decode and shrink the video. suuurree, it doens't make sense, but it's do-able.. uptill a certain point (resolution), above which it will be too heavy and too much work for the CPU. and if you want to ask why, well i'm guessing 1. the OP was mislead by the phone's name Touch HD, 2. he may not have the time or software or doesn't want to reprocess the movies to 800x480.
and if you are still confused after reading all that.. well... ummm... LOL

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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Aye but i'd love to seen a flawless WGVA streaming video....

Raziel1 said:
that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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technically i disagree, but from a practical standpoint, sure, i'll go with that. those net videos doesn't require much processing power to decode, very little load on cpu.

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem.
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Traditionally speaking, all HTC devices have very poor video playback .
Till the latest batch of VGA Devices (Diamond and Touch Pro) which i have no access to and hence cannot comment upon, all previous VGA devices had problem playing back video ENCODED AT THERE NATIVE RESOLUTION. (for reference, have a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324371&highlight=video)
the best i could manage was a 532x300 xvid with a bitrate of 800-1200.
so it will be a very pleasant surprise if the HD can playback video encoded at 640x480 leave alone 800x480.
On a side note, since HD will be pretty similar to the Diamond / Touch Pro , you could probably ask your friends to run a benchmark with different resolutions and bitrates.

Playing 1080p H.264

As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?

Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.

1080 on HD2? useless... nonsense
as kilrah said... forget it
but one point is not true u can run 1080p X264 movies smooth on a pc with 1.2Ghz Dual Core.. now comes the point! IF... u have a graficcard that supports VDPAU. so even a loosy GeForce 9400 can do that.
XBMC installing as OS. turn VPDAU on.. e voila. smooth HD movies.
on my mom's AsRock ION330 (Atom CPU) with ION GPU (Equal to GeForce 9400M). 1080p movie with x264 in MKV container run's smooth.
and CPU usage is at 12-40% depends on.
have fun

Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...

I'm not sure if you fully read my original question:
I don't want smooth playback, I know I can't have that,
but simply a way to view stills out of a large h.264 file.
I don't care if rendering one frame takes several seconds.
Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...
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Since the video files are on my phone, I don't see how Remote
Desktop Mobile is going to help me. Or did I misunderstand
what you are saying?

Yes we did fully read... But do you really think a developer would spend time making a WM program to open and decode a format that no existing device could play?
It's actually something the WM port of vlc could do, if it hadn't been discontinued in 2006 before it could play h264... It had the same capabilities as on other platforms.
@jisin: Of course if you cheat with hardware acceleration But my example was meant to put things on the same level, as the HD2 has none.

Nobody is talking about a seperate program - at least I wasn't. I would think
any player capable of decoding h.264 should handle 1080p, at least in theory.
For example, I don't understand why CorePlayer has a limit at such an arbitrary
number built into it, otherwise it would probably work just fine for my purposes.
TCPMP is witchcraft, as far as I'm concerned, so I don't readily know why it
won't play HD videos.

AFAIK the profiles used to encode HD h.264 are different from the simple ones used for SD videos, and thus need explicit support. The difference between AVC and AVCHD.
For example in VLC, support for HD h.264 has only come last year, long after SD one. Before that, trying to read one would just give you a couple of crippled frames and crash the player.

Just to clarify, AVC and H.264 are the same, or rather AVC is part of H.264.
AVCHD is an extension of H.264/AVC. That's what you meant, right?
In any case, my videos are AVC and not AVCHD encoded.
I really don't see how decoding a higher definition variant of a video codec can
be any different from standard definition, other than the stress on the hardware
of course.

If not coreplayer, then I think nothing.

bayowar said:
As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?
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Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.

I dont understand why you would want to try and view the image quality of a 1080p file on a 800 x 480 screen? It's never going to look any better than a similarly encoded 480p file. I would agree that it's handier to not have to re-encode files, but most 1080p files are downloaded as mkv anyway, which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.

Ad-james said:
which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.
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You didn't get the point. He has a camcorder that doesn't have a screen. He wants to put its memory card in the HD2 and have a glimpse of what he just shot could have been like.
But yes, it would only allow checking framing if it took several seconds to load each frame, not much more...

WMP plays the sound, not the video, HTC Album came up with an error I think.
And yes, kilrah, that's exactly it. Should have mentioned that the camcorder
doesn't have a screen.

Shasarak said:
Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.
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i think the main problem is the lake of drivers in windows mobile 6 series as hd2 processor is mentiond to support 720p videos at 30 frame /sec

kilrah said:
Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.
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i think it depends on the codec and bitrate... i can run 1080p h.264 fine on my 1ghz athlon using coreavc

Is there any codec which make possible to view h.264 stream in windows media player?
I can get stream from my internet aceess box which are very smooth with CorePlayer but I would like to know if there is any codec which make it possible with the native multimedia player!
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i downloade ttansformers hd (1080p) from youtube and coreplayer played that completely O.K. but i couldn't got it to play almost most .mp4 ones. it plays some .mp4 but doesn't many. also plays raw 640x480 videos from my digital camera not smooth but acceptable.

Camcorder that doesnt have a screen???
720p dont play in hd2 forget about 1080, it cant handle the resolution or the bitrates.

I don't know why Microsoft/HTC didnt done things right.
I have HD2 dual boot with Android.
where WM unable to play 720P but Android on same HD2 play 1080 smooth and crisp with out any frame delay/skip.
I think Microsoft has to optimize there graphics driver to come at par with Android.
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Pawan

high def movies

with the x10's huge screen, i'd like to know where i can get high def movie files to put on my sd card.
anyone know?

u cant play high def movies... the highest resolution is 854x480!

oneonezerosix said:
with the x10's huge screen, i'd like to know where i can get high def movie files to put on my sd card.
anyone know?
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thats illegal sir

Even if you buy the blueray disk and reencode them?

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Even if you buy the blueray disk and reencode them?
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he asked for "download"
if you are to encode movie for x10, I think there is no point encoding it more than the screen's res, cuz it will look the same anyway

i didn't say download. look again. but even with a redeem code with dvds and blu rays, the file formats are mpegs

they don't have to be high res. just decent quality so i can enjoy movies on the x10

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i didn't say download. look again. but even with a redeem code with dvds and blu rays, the file formats are mpegs
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nah I was just kidding
I guess hd mp4 from youtube would work, not sure though, I'll try and report back

For encoding, try Handbrake. It works really well using the iPhone preset (just make sure to adjust the video width to 854 pixels).
A Blu-ray rip of an episode of Dexter I have looks amazing.

what is handbrake?

Google it!
http://handbrake.fr/ it's a free Windows app that allows you to re-encode video files.

Anyone try and encode an HD movie on handbrake ?
I convert a 8gb 720P movie, set the bit rate at 1500...The vid took about 8 hours convert, and ended up being 3gb when done...set at 854x480...I also tried designating the output file size to 1.5gb, still took 8 hours...Been using Handbrake for a while now, quite familiar with the "advanced" settings, but taking so damn long to convert 720p movies. Love it none the less...

What site can you get movies for the x10 on?

What site can you get movies for the x10 on?
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... non warez site; )
Sent from my X10i using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

SmokinSteveO said:
Anyone try and encode an HD movie on handbrake ?
I convert a 8gb 720P movie, set the bit rate at 1500...The vid took about 8 hours convert, and ended up being 3gb when done...set at 854x480...I also tried designating the output file size to 1.5gb, still took 8 hours...Been using Handbrake for a while now, quite familiar with the "advanced" settings, but taking so damn long to convert 720p movies. Love it none the less...
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My conversions of BD rips of 1hr TV shows seem to take a bit over 60 minutes each. That's using the iPhone preset with an 854 width setting.

SmokinSteveO said:
Anyone try and encode an HD movie on handbrake ?
I convert a 8gb 720P movie, set the bit rate at 1500...The vid took about 8 hours convert, and ended up being 3gb when done...set at 854x480...I also tried designating the output file size to 1.5gb, still took 8 hours...Been using Handbrake for a while now, quite familiar with the "advanced" settings, but taking so damn long to convert 720p movies. Love it none the less...
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i concur, the X10 is capable of 720p playback. I've converted my own AVCHD 720p files and they play perfectly fine on the X10....which is AWESOME.

gr00vy0ne said:
i concur, the X10 is capable of 720p playback. I've converted my own AVCHD 720p files and they play perfectly fine on the X10....which is AWESOME.
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Technically, it's not playing 720p. The 720 refers to horizontal lines of resolution, not the vertical lines. 1280x720 is the resolution of 720p.
The X10 is capable of playing what YouTube and other sites call "480p", which is pretty much what DVDs are encoded at.

this is great guys. thanks alot, im going to try to download handbrake and convert my mpeg movie files

i agree, x10 can play some really HQ files though i find little use of it, a "normal" 350mb episode or 700mb movie will do fine when coverted to .mp4
it's a pitty x10 doesn't have TV-out capability...i had X2 and it worked pretty nicely
is there any way that picture from the x10 could be sent over wireless or am i just talking nonsence maybe an app that would show on your PC the screen which is on X10

saltorio said:
Technically, it's not playing 720p. The 720 refers to horizontal lines of resolution, not the vertical lines. 1280x720 is the resolution of 720p.
The X10 is capable of playing what YouTube and other sites call "480p", which is pretty much what DVDs are encoded at.
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This is incorrect. Yes, the X10 is capable of playing 480p, but you make it sound like it can't play anything above that resolution because the screen itself is 480p.
If you play a 720p video on the X10, it will be downscaled to 480p, but the X10 is still decoding the full 720p video which takes quite some horsepower. I used Handbrake to convert a 1080p Youtube trailer to 720p, which the X10 plays, but not without some stutter. Maybe my bitrate setting were a little high and the X10 could play it smoothly on lower encoding settings, but the fact that it plays a perfectly fine quality 720p even with some dropped frames is still pretty impressive.
And no, it's not really usefull to playback any video with a greater resolution that the X10's native screen resolution, but it's fun to play around with IMO. I do wonder if the media player has GPU acceleration. If not, that these results are all the more impressive.

How to watch HD movies?

I have 720p movies ripped from original disc to MKV on my desktop. How do I watch these 720p movies on my EVO? Is there an easier way to put movies on my EVO?
Another question, when I go to YOUTUBE.com on my EVO, all the videos look blurry and are horrible quality... Even when I do a search for 720p quality videos, when I play the video it looks horrible... What am I doing wrong?

What audio/video codecs were used during the encodong?

With youtube, click the HQ button. That should increase the quality.

i have also set youtube to high quality from the setting but still no 720p videos even after the HQ on.

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What audio/video codecs were used during the encodong?
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Nevermind, I got this program called doubletwist and it rocks!
Now I need to figure out how to play Youtube videos in HD... Whenever I am on Youtube, I do NOT see the HD so yeah...

amot said:
Nevermind, I got this program called doubletwist and it rocks!
Now I need to figure out how to play Youtube videos in HD... Whenever I am on Youtube, I do NOT see the HD so yeah...
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The Evo doesn't have support for HD video. What you're looking for is the HQ button, which stands for high quality. Not all videos have the HQ button enabled.

amot said:
Now I need to figure out how to play Youtube videos in HD... Whenever I am on Youtube, I do NOT see the HD so yeah...
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Sounds like you may be browsing to YouTube. Instead, go to "All apps" and open the "YouTube" app.

It all depends on the videos themselves. For example, lookup any new movie trailers and set the app to HQ, they should look spectacular.
Remember, Android still doesn't have a quality video player akin to CorePlayer for WinMo.
The device itself (correct me if I'm wrong) does not support playback at 720p on its own screen; it outputs 720p via the HDMI port.

khov07 said:
The device itself (correct me if I'm wrong) does not support playback at 720p on its own screen; it outputs 720p via the HDMI port.
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You are correct--720p is 1280x720 and the EVO's screen is 800x480. So it will play 720p video, but scaled down to fit the EVO's screen resolution.
As far as playing video on the EVO screen, I think it will play any resolution (although you may get performance issues at very high resolutions) but scaled to fit the screen.

What programs are you guys using for ripping? Just curious...

Handbrake cya

settings
handbrake.
Aspect ratio: 800 x 480
Video codec: H.264(x264)
Framerate: Same as source
Avg Bitrate: 1500
Addio codec: AAC(faac)
Audio mixdown: Stereo
Sample rate: 480
All other settings stay at default. Videos come out crazy!! I got Avatar and Iron Man

Ripping blu-ray since the screen is higher res then DVD. Using rip264 and anydvd.

ChrisDos said:
Ripping blu-ray since the screen is higher res then DVD. Using rip264 and anydvd.
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quite a fan of this myself anydvd HD isnt cheap tho unless ur using cracked version they had update for avatr BD day after it was out worked great for me i have over 1.7TB of movies and TV shows in mkv or avi mostly mkv h264 i would like to play on my Evo when it comes in is there a like VLC or KMplayer type that will play these files on the android OS if anyone does know of such software whether paid or free id appreciate it

spyngamerman said:
quite a fan of this myself anydvd HD isnt cheap tho unless ur using cracked version they had update for avatr BD day after it was out worked great for me i have over 1.7TB of movies and TV shows in mkv or avi mostly mkv h264 i would like to play on my Evo when it comes in is there a like VLC or KMplayer type that will play these files on the android OS if anyone does know of such software whether paid or free id appreciate it
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It's not cheap, but I figure that is the cost of having the freedom to copy blu-ray to my other devices. It would be nice though if it was a one time cost, but alas it is not.

mario23 said:
What programs are you guys using for ripping? Just curious...
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What OS you on? On my Macbook I use Handbrake, and VisualHub.

[Q] How to play 1080p HD videos

Hi,
Did anyone here managed to play HD videos of 1080p or 720p format? I only managed to play 360p on my phone.

Not possible..Im mean they will play in Rockplayer 1.5.5 ARm6...but will lag sufficiently and not allow you to enjoy movie smoothly...
I think about 620 p should be fine in Rockplayer..or yxplayer...not above that..you will have to resize them...

Even 720p is quite laggy with rock player. Processor is just not fast enough

Why would you want to when the screen doesn't have the resolution to show any difference?

bullchicken said:
Why would you want to when the screen doesn't have the resolution to show any difference?
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@bullchicken: it's just that my friends had gave me lots of 1080p HD MVs but I couldn't played it. He is able to play all HD videos in his Samsung Galaxy though. Maybe you're right due to legend processor limitation but i'm wondering if there is any customized/tweaked ROM which able to support it.