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I have been using WM based device over five years and now, I would like to try something new.
It seems that the HTC Click is an easy start with Android, but I am just curious that is it ever possible to flash WM6.5 rom on Click just in case I cant get use to Android?
I'm no chef or developer or anything but my guess would be no.
Been using HTC diamond for last two years and they havn't fully got android working on that because of driver issues, so cannot see WM working on an even newer phone.
wtf would you wanna do that for?
that too lol
jamezelle , man ask some simple and logical question. why f word here? are you payed from somebody? millions are used to windows mobile. meaby only percent want not to change habits and you attack many people for no reason.
i also want to buy tatto , here is free with some contact, but if i can switch to wm.
dont YOU ask me why.
if somebody polite can ask i would give only couple reason:
1. i cannot live without total commander. and dont want to spend life in searching how to add it on andriod, if is possible at all?
2. also TCPMP
3. also meaby tomtom is what i prefer for gps
4. i like resco photo viewer
5. and sound recorder
6. also MANY simple utitlities i want to add too , like conversation recorder ...
7. also curious to see improvement in performance from my p3300 regarding processor and memory
8. not your bussines with your atacking aproach...
WOW! you're the one on the attack here, I agree with Jamezelle & judging by the reasons you posted, why not just stick to a windows mobile device?
I amazes me that people would post on an Android board asking how to make it run windows & expect not to get this kind of response?
Try going on an apple forum & asking if you can run windows on the iphone
People are being light hearted here (notice the smiley on the end of his reply?) but Seriously, if you really can't live without WM apps buy a WM phone (or contact the developer to ask if they considered an android version), if you want to change to Android then more power to you, go buy a cheap Android handset & keep both until you are 100% sure, T-mobile UK sell them on P.A.Y.G.
They are designed to run the OS they are shipped with, you cant really complain that it wont do stuff the other does.
Don't forget WM has been around a lot longer so there are bound to be more apps, in the very short time Android has been out it has done some wonderful things & in time (I believe) it will become the number 1 OS as more companies develop software for it.
I started on Android, changed to WM, then back to Android & many people here run both.
A serious & informative answer was given in the 1st reply. Did it really need to go this far?
NO, Windows OS or Apps wont run on an Android handset...
...AND THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!!!
Ok. more resonable answer, Thanks
i just think if nobody of wm users dont complain for possibility of android running on "wm devices" (seen this on Tilt , www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxcdSsmmKz8 )why would you guys complain?
i just like Tattoo device. and becaouse of your attitude i will certainly never have oportunity to have afordable great device (like tattoo)
But You can have win devices as i know. not fair . that is the point.
(sorry for eng)
ok . i'm out
i'w got answers, argue don;t lead anywhere...
all the best for all of us
why buying an android phone when late wm phones are same $$$ and fit better to a WM OS?
another thing is having an WM for the last year, and with the late release of android, wanting to flash to android
i got a htc winmo device from 2007 and Android has given it more life...especially the Tattoo Rom..gtta love sense UI on qvga..whats that? More HTC qvga android phones for 2010. Maybe I can wait for winmo 7 after all.
i have the solution
send me your tatoo
ill send you my htc touch mk 1
fair swap
you get windows
i get anotheR lovely android device !!
(( no but seriously the apps you want i can sort of agree with, file managers on android are a whole new thing when your used to win-mob, maybe try linda file manager or astro its just a getting used to process... or we can swap ! ))
=====PEACE=====
htc tattoo clone running WM ?
Hello,
I have found this 3 month old news:
http://www.clonedinchina.com/2010/01/htc-tattoo-clone-touch-g4-runs-windows-mobile.html
Is this Windows mobile ROM compatible with the HTC Tattoo ?
If it is compatible, can someone upload this Windows mobile ROM ?
Thank you
Problem is, that this clone doesn't need to have the same hardware equipment as the original one (because of the drivers). But I know that the pendant of the tattoo (HTC Touch2) has nearly the same HW equipment...maybe this could be of any help?
dxs1 said:
Hello,
I have found this 3 month old news:
http://www.clonedinchina.com/2010/01/htc-tattoo-clone-touch-g4-runs-windows-mobile.html
Is this Windows mobile ROM compatible with the HTC Tattoo ?
If it is compatible, can someone upload this Windows mobile ROM ?
Thank you
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HI
im using a jade and guys at the jade forum wanted android on our phone but it looks like impossible assuming the same for the tatoo running WM in fact this is the reason that im seriously considering buying a tatoo(its also in my budget)
and for ur info the specs on the tatoo and jade(touch3G) are quite the same
and just for the sake of my made craze to try android looks like i might buy a tatoo soon
Yes....I have already read the article (and several discussions from this forum) that WM7 will not be upgradable for the HD2 and guess what....
I will get the HD2 when it come out from T-mobile this month or next month.
Why buy the new phone with WM7 when I already have so many applications/games for the WM6? If I wait for the new WM7, there won't be any good applications for awhile. What good will that do for me?
So who in the USA with T-mobile is still going to buy the HD2 from T-mobile even if it will not be upgradable to WM7?
i think im buying it too.. it depends if the htc desire comes to tmobile usa or not.. buy i really like the hd2 and i think im getting it on march
i already have it with t mobile usa , and i don't really care much for wm7, and besides that's why we have some of the best developers in xda, somebody will copy the wm7 rom and come up with one for us hd2 guys LOL.
I'm still on board for the HD2. And as the previous poster mentioned, I'm not in love with WP7S anyway. I didn't want to upgrade after what I saw at MWC.
I am not with T-Mo but if the price is right I will be for a no contract stint with the HD2. If the price is 100 - 200 short of the Telstra version I will probably keep ATT and import it.
I like WM7, but dont care about it as its not here and I need a nice new phone.
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I am not with T-Mo but if the price is right I will be for a no contract stint with the HD2. If the price is 100 - 200 short of the Telstra version I will probably keep ATT and import it.
I like WM7, but dont care about it as its not here and I need a nice new phone.
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It's supposed to be $450/no-contract, $200/contract from US T-Mobile. If that good enough?
Do you need a T-mobile service to purchase the phone? Will you be able to unlock the HD2 from T-mobile?
I definitely still will. It's a great phone and at $200 subsidized it's an even better phone.
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It's supposed to be $450/no-contract, $200/contract from US T-Mobile. If that good enough?
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That would be € 332,72 .... Lucky american b*sterds They might as well throw in a 32 Gb MicroSD card and it will still be cheaper than the european version.
Completely agree!!
everyone who has seen preview of Winmo7 in MWC Barcelona, youtube etc,
its just about the most bland UI, one can ever see
I think that they must give us 6.5.3/5 version, because it will be perfect choice for HD2. Excellent hardware + new finger friendly OS = bingo. Best performance and autonomy for us users, and then we dont need any WM 7 or similar toys...
cheers
Smartmob said:
I think that they must give us 6.5.3/5 version, because it will be perfect choice for HD2. Excellent hardware + new finger friendly OS = bingo. Best performance and autonomy for us users, and then we dont need any WM 7 or similar toys...
cheers
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Yep and a updated Sense with some new features, so we can wear our phones with pride. So if anybody comes along with a WP phone we can say ... yeah alright, but we have a phone with 5 buttons that is powered by HTC Sense. And then we show them our battery covers .... and wish them a nice day.
appelflap said:
Yep and a updated Sense with some new features, so we can wear our phones with pride. So if anybody comes along with a WP phone we can say ... yeah alright, but we have a phone with 5 buttons that is powered by HTC Sense. And then we show them our battery covers .... and wish them a nice day.
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hehehe, exactly
Hi!
I totally agree with the others in this thread. I just bought the HD2 knowing that there will not be a WM7 upgrade, at least not official. There will most likely take a while before we see any interesting apps for WM7 anyway, and by that time (maybe in a couple of years from now), its time to switch phone. For the moment I'm very happy with WM 6.5.x, especially the amount of available software that runs perfectly. The multimedia, communication and web experience of the HD2 are excellent, thanks to outstanding hardware and good value added software like Sense 2.5 and the Opera browser. I guess that the 1st generation of WM7 (OS and devices) will have some bugs and glitches, and I don't plan to be a beta tester for Microsoft.
Regards,
PK
Earthbrain said:
Yes....I have already read the article (and several discussions from this forum) that WM7 will not be upgradable for the HD2 and guess what....
I will get the HD2 when it come out from T-mobile this month or next month.
Why buy the new phone with WM7 when I already have so many applications/games for the WM6? If I wait for the new WM7, there won't be any good applications for awhile. What good will that do for me?
So who in the USA with T-mobile is still going to buy the HD2 from T-mobile even if it will not be upgradable to WM7?
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Please learn me how to find these good applications and games. I have been on the HD2 since December and have not found so many. Bejeweled 2 and Teeter are the only 2 games of good quality. The Marketplace is dead, so really tell me where all those apps and games are!
I really do hope you will answer me, this is not a flame. IMO the problem of the HD2 is the lack of apps and games, but whatever.
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Please learn me how to find these good applications and games. I have been on the HD2 since December and have not found so many. Bejeweled 2 and Teeter are the only 2 games of good quality. The Marketplace is dead, so really tell me where all those apps and games are!
I really do hope you will answer me, this is not a flame. IMO the problem of the HD2 is the lack of apps and games, but whatever.
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Yes , but when WP7 arrives the 6.5 will be dead? Will Developers be kind enough to create apps for 6.5? Most of them will create for 7 ... Thats a shame for me..
jigners said:
Completely agree!!
everyone who has seen preview of Winmo7 in MWC Barcelona, youtube etc,
its just about the most bland UI, one can ever see
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you say this because you are trying to forget that your new arrival hd2 will not get the upgrade not because you don't like wp7 series (welcome to hd2 forum)
im still getting it as well. those who think win7 wont be on the HD2 havent been around xda very long
i should have waited, to trade my nexus one for a us version =( i got a uk version coming in the mail.
XDA mark said:
Please learn me how to find these good applications and games.
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Well, search these forums for Xtrakt and Experiment13. Then Google for the demo of Electopia. Then search this and the HD2 applications forum for the word "game" or "games" and you'll find plenty.
I aiming to buy a second hand G1 as my first android mobile. Was aiming to buy desire, but I use music a lot so waiting for a android walkman from sony erisson . I have a few doubts for my first android mobile,
(1) can the G1 stay in battery for at least 2 days(I don't use 3G, i only use 2 g networks) ?
(2) what is rooting can it reverted back ?
(3) When a android releases a update can I install it right away or should i use a specific one ?
Am using sony ericsson w960i. now cant find good android phone to upgrade
Thanks
1- its possible, but you would have to keep it at min. brightness etc. The simplest fix is an extended battery, it makes the phone a little heavier but can double or triple battery life.
2- Rooting is access to superuser commands etc. When you are rooted, you can install faster, cooler, better firmwares, or themes, and you can also tether etc. It takes no more then 30 minutes to root, and you can unroot with just one file (rc29). If you do decide to root, go with CM's stable releases, or try a hero rom.
3- You have to install one that is compatible with the G1. for example, android 2.2 froyo was released today but it cannot be installed on your G1 just yet. But that's not something you should worry about, since we have some of the best developers working for us.
And how much are you paying for your G1? check your local craigslist, prices range there from 70-150 for a used one.
Thanks for the fast reply..
and another question.. all the applications will be available in the market for G1 ?
for example if G1 has 2.1 and desire has 2.1 will both have same apps in its market list ?
by the way am in UK so will be buying it here.. In ebay i have seen for 70 to 150 pounds. the price is good ? or its too much ?
Yes, all apps for 2.1 will appear on a 2.1 rom. But G1 won't get 2.1 unless you root first. And 70 to 150 pounds seems like a fir price, just make sure you get a working one.
Hi guys, im thinking one G1 too and leaving forever WM and my Kaiser.
Here im Portugal even in second hand there are a litle bit expansive, as all the HTC are... The cheapest G1 e found is from 130€!
I friend of mine have an Acer with android SO with 1000mhz cpu... First i love HTC, i had 6 models and the possibility of change rom and stuff are brutal. He said that G1 is totally discontinued, and i am afraid that when i update it to the lastest rom available it comes slow :S But ok, it will be always better than an Acer, even not talking about the qwerty keyboard.
The battery of my Kaiser with normal use of GSM, rarely WIFI and some times GPS longs 2 days, i hope G1 too, that's the aceptable for me.
Im accustomed to rom change on WM i hope on android thing thats not hard!
G1 thats not beautiful and thats not ugly, its different, but ok, all the HTC are. Its bigger than Kaiser but smaller than my lovely HTC Universal, maybe the best phone i ever had!
I believe in XDA-Devs forum, i have been using it for 3 years, used more than 50 different roms, i will read all of your possibile and updated reviews with actual roms, because if it would be positive, my thread home will change.
Have you tried out an android rom on your kaiser? You will have a hard time getting more then a day of battery on your G1. I use it a lot, from 7:00 to 3:00 I still have 40% left, but that's with using it for a few hours and some music, in a place with low signal, and no gps or wifi. And a lot of the roms for the G1 are a helluvalot faster then stock, FYI.
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No i have not tried that on Kaiser... The border of the lcd makes the touch experience hard, the new htc and the androids are made for finger touch and no stylus, i wanna try that and much more. Im a little bit afraid of the change to a new device, android for example. Im used to wm, my sweet tomtom gps very very powerful, very efficient here in portugal and if g1 suck im screwed. i have th think about it, i think it will be nice some reviews, because all i found in the web was reviews from 2 years ago, and thats nothing, because of the evolution of the roms. its hard to update for a new rom? this week, i will abandon windows and start using linux full time, for WM thats complicated, for android too?
Just found a Hero for 150 pounds , is it worth it or not ?
Thanks
I need/love/... qwerty keyboard... And think, how many people in your workplace/university/city have a G1? Damn exclusive design Im really think on it.
vicedens2002 said:
Just found a Hero for 150 pounds , is it worth it or not ?
Thanks
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G1 is a good phone to cut your teeth on. I bought one just to try it out before my Upgrade is due and I pick up a desire.
Mine will be hitting ebay soon with an asking price of £95 with delivery ontop.
Oh why? You dont like yours? My Kaiser is not fast, small or pretty, my previous phones too, so...
I also bought a g1 as my first android phone, in fact I still have it and love it, I can't speak to the change in diffaculty in switching roms on a winmo phone but once you do it the first time on android it becomes an addiction
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Of course... The first time i flashed my qtek s100 was insane! In three days i broke it and a had to pay to solve it
But thats a piece of work the root thing, and the first flash to boot up SO 2.2 or something? A friend like i said told me that G1 is overpassed, but i believe on it, G1 is a crazy thing for me, thats the revolution, the first, the incredible
Folks, a G1 appeard in the bidding world here in Portugal but with AZERT keyboard! Its cheapest, its half than a qwerty one... What do you think? Maybe i buy later a qwerty keyboard, i dont know, i want a damn G1, please give me ur opinion.
Hello Guys,
at first sorry for my bad english...
Is there any way to get windows mobile on my HTC Wildfire?
I hope there is a solution!
I know the phone is very new...
If this doesn't work - my friends and i bought a wildfire that have a t-mobile software branding - how can i get the untouched rom?
thx 4 rply
No There's no way to do that. Why would you wanna have wmobile instead of Android? Stupid.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
s3ri0z said:
Hello Guys,
at first sorry for my bad english...
Is there any way to get windows mobile on my HTC Wildfire?
I hope there is a solution!
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There is no and probably never will be a WM rom for the Wildfire.The wildfire isn't successfully rooted (A review version was but it doesn't work on retail) so flashing is currently impossible so I don't think you can unbrand it for now.
I do know Paul from MoDaCo is trying to root it but we will see how that goes.
Why would you want that? i am just curious.
I like to have it, because all my other phones are with windows mobile.
There are many more programs for wm smartphones...
But the next problem is, that in Germany all wildfires are sold out... it's very anoying.
I've searched for a good thread with android apps - but i didn't find one...
Does it have as much applications as for windows mobile?
s3ri0z said:
I like to have it, because all my other phones are with windows mobile.
There are many more programs for wm smartphones...
But the next problem is, that in Germany all wildfires are sold out... it's very anoying.
I've searched for a good thread with android apps - but i didn't find one...
Does it have as much applications as for windows mobile?
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I do not know how much the applications for Windows mobile has grown in the last year but I used to have WM 6.1 on my HTC Kaiser.
I find more (free and paying) applications in the android market then I found for WM.
Take a look at appbrain . com
@ s3ri0z:
i dont think so, that all the wildfires are sold out in germany. why i get one today in my vodafoneshop???
it is unpossible to flash a winmob rom to your wildfire. did you tried to run android on a windows mobile phone? its difficult to develop it and so to run it on an winmob device.
and than, the android only starts in windows. it doesnt replace it.
on android you wount get something like that.
Hey s3ri0z,
I'm German myself, so please write me a PM, if there are some problems with the understanding. I'll answer you in German then.
To your questions:
- There exist 100.000+ apps in the Android Market. This is way more then you can get for WM. I have to admit, that if you count all WM-apps together you might find more apps for WM. But most of the WM-apps are old. Lots of those were designed for WM 5, WM 6.1, etc. The only useful WM-apps are those for WM 6.5 and may be WM 6.1, but since Microsoft will launch Windows Phone 7 in a couple month, WM is kind of dying.
My phone is an HTC HD2 and this way I'm using WM-apps for a long time. With the possibilities of an Linux kernel, which was released by the dev's here in this forum, I'm now testing Froyo on my HD2. To be honest, I think Android is the future. It is in many ways better. It's faster, supports flash in the browser and has a huge development community.
- You can get a Wildfire at at least three online stores from now to tomorrow. Try idealo.de or other "Preissuchmaschinen", you'll find a vendor.
- The only thing, which really is a plus for Windows Mobile is the Sync. I don't wan't to share my private data with google. But even there is a solution. Look for companionlink.com and check the USB-version. That should solve all those problems.
Hello guys,
thanks for so many answers.
I looked an a lot of websites with android apps.
There are really many freeware apps - so it's ok to have an android smartphone...
I searched at idealo.com for the wildfire and bought 3 pieces at es-mobilfunk de.
At the shop the delivery date was 3 to 7 days.
After 3 days I asked for the delivery date --> they said it's sold out and I have to wait for an indefinite period... it's very annoying!
Hi there!
- WM has more apps - true. But it got near to 500.000 (for example) apps in nearly 10 years. Android got near to 100.000 apps in nearly 2 year. That means android grows and gets apps faster So why anyone would want wm on his Wildfire? I only missed TCPMP and Worms from wm.
All of the Wildfires isn't sold in Germany or I bought the last one
zephyri-xr said:
Hi there!
- WM has more apps - true. But it got near to 500.000 (for example) apps in nearly 10 years. Android got near to 100.000 apps in nearly 2 year. That means android grows and gets apps faster So why anyone would want wm on his Wildfire? I only missed TCPMP and Worms from wm.
All of the Wildfires isn't sold in Germany or I bought the last one
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lol, fail comparison. End up the same amount/year in your case.
But, your point's right
Windows Mobile have around 50k working apps atm. and have been around for like 6 years or so. Android have been around for over 1 year know, lately the apps have grown like ****. It'll probably beet Appstore pretty soon.
But hey! Apps is not all, Android is the (according to me) best system around.
From what I seen of the wildfire in the 3 hours I have had mine it really would not do well with the new windows mobile heavy handed core, the phone is nice as it is and really does not need WM killing the poor thing
TitusO said:
Hey s3ri0z,
I'm German myself, so please write me a PM, if there are some problems with the understanding. I'll answer you in German then.
To your questions:
- There exist 100.000+ apps in the Android Market. This is way more then you can get for WM. I have to admit, that if you count all WM-apps together you might find more apps for WM. But most of the WM-apps are old. Lots of those were designed for WM 5, WM 6.1, etc. The only useful WM-apps are those for WM 6.5 and may be WM 6.1, but since Microsoft will launch Windows Phone 7 in a couple month, WM is kind of dying.
My phone is an HTC HD2 and this way I'm using WM-apps for a long time. With the possibilities of an Linux kernel, which was released by the dev's here in this forum, I'm now testing Froyo on my HD2. To be honest, I think Android is the future. It is in many ways better. It's faster, supports flash in the browser and has a huge development community.
- You can get a Wildfire at at least three online stores from now to tomorrow. Try idealo.de or other "Preissuchmaschinen", you'll find a vendor.
- The only thing, which really is a plus for Windows Mobile is the Sync. I don't wan't to share my private data with google. But even there is a solution. Look for companionlink.com and check the USB-version. That should solve all those problems.
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i completely agree. had wm devices since 2003 (tomtom was the killer app) but now wm is dying, wp7 will not change this, since as far as i heard it is not backward compatibility at all. this was my reason to go for the wildfire, and i have to say i really like this phone.
s3ri0z said:
I like to have it, because all my other phones are with windows mobile.
There are many more programs for wm smartphones...
But the next problem is, that in Germany all wildfires are sold out... it's very anoying.
I've searched for a good thread with android apps - but i didn't find one...
Does it have as much applications as for windows mobile?
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Yeah... Android has many apps. Maybe not as much as WM but still growing. In Poland all HTCs were sold out as well :/ but 2 days ago I managed to snatch one
Cheers,
BK
Ever looked in Window Marketplace??? There is not much to download...
I also was using Windows Mobile 6.5 and now owner of the HTC Wildfire, honestly, i never want to go back to Windows Mobile! Android is so easy to use and much faster than (for example) WM on a Touch2...
What ever you need can be sownloaded on the Marketplace, and the best thing is...for free!
Dave
Never try torturing yourself. I've just escape from this hell
I used a Touch2 in a electronic market and i felt like riding a turtle after I used my lovely Wildfire. So WM sucks. I only missed the TCPMP and Worms but soon we'll get them
can i have a dual boot with windows and android in the HTC Wildfire ??? and heard that some applets arent supported due to less resolution of the screen… is that true ?? is that a major setback as far as Android market is concerned ??? and anyone tried FROYO on wildfire ???
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can i have a dual boot with windows and android in the HTC Wildfire ??? and heard that some applets arent supported due to less resolution of the screen… is that true ?? is that a major setback as far as Android market is concerned ??? and anyone tried FROYO on wildfire ???
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1. No
2.Sorta, Some apps don't show in the market but you can still download them.
3. Froyo is going to be released sooner or later(Within 2 weeks the rumor goes).
I don't understand why anyone would want to use Windows Mobile over the Android OS. As point of princible to prove you can get Windows Mobile on your phone is one thing... To use it as your phone's main OS is another IMO.
After using WP7 on an HD2 i decided that i kind of LOVE the simplicity of the OS. I love Android and tinkering with things and generally breaking them. But for a simple smartphone that just WORKS i wanted to get something like an HD7 or Titan. My contract isn't up for about 6 months yet!
Looking at the T-Mob website they only have Android, Blackberry and iOS. Oh yeah and Symbian
Anyone got any idea why they don't do WP7 handsets in the UK?
On a side note i'm never moving away from Android but i'll probably pick up a cheap tablet like an Andypad Pro for Android but a WP7 device would my simple smartphone.
Why not try Launcher 7 on your android phone and have the best of both?
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Why not try Launcher 7 on your android phone and have the best of both?
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Yeah it's a nice idea and i have the purchased version but i want the full experience. The Twitter and Facebook apps are nice,contacts nice too. I have also looked at the "WP7 Android Project" which have some WP7 app clones but it's still not the same. It's just not as fluid.
Thanks for the suggestion though!
Fair enough - that fluidity is down to the old android 1.x and 2.x stumbling block - GPU acceleration. I do think that WP7 looks an impressive OS and think MS have done a good job with it, but the market results don't really reflect that.
As for answering your original question, presumably T-mob see little market for WP7 in the UK. Vodafone only carry one (LG Optimus 7). Orange seem to have the best lineup with 3 models. Maybe when Nokia get their WP phones out then European carriers will respond more.
Yeah my guess was they didn't see a market for it. And yeah i noticed Orange seem to have a good selection of them i just wanted to stick with T-Mobile. Maybe i will just get the best phone T-Mob offer me and then buy a sim free WP7 device.
Or maybe by the time i upgrade i will want to keep whatever sexy new Android is out