HTC Touch P3450/ELF/XDA Nova settings - Networking

Hi all, I'm hoping someone may help me with this. I have the above HTC phone, it was originally on the Orange network, I was able to unlock it and use an O2 sim, the problem is it's still using the orange settings for gprs and mms. Is there anyone who can tell me how to change these settings to O2's settings.
Thanks in advance for any help
Scooby

MMs and GPRS Settings
Hi all I got this sorted thanks to a guy called Goldengalaxy on the modaco site so I'll add his fix here for anyone that needs it. This worked for me so (Elf 0100) it may work for you getting to some of the menus was slighty different but it worked
O2 Pay as you go Internet and MMS Settings for xda Ignito
Start with the internet first.
Start
Settings
Connections
Click on Advanced
Select Networks
Edit the top line and Call it MY PHONE or similar
Now go back to connections
In my phone section select add a new modem connection
Call it internet Connection
APN = payandgo.o2.co.uk
Username = payandgo
Password = password
Domain = 193.113.200.195
Now MMS Settings
Start
Messaging
Select SMS/MMS
Menu
MMS Options
Servers
Select New
Server name = call it O2 MMS or similar
Gateway = 193.113.200.195
Port = 9201
Server Address = http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002
Using = MY PHONE
Select Done
Set as default
Everything should work ok now. It does on mine.

Related

o2 UK gprs settings

Just installed the xda-developrs SE ROM
Seems to make the XDA run like a deamon, well impressed so far.
Just as everybody else though. The autoconfiguration doesn't work. So can't get the o2 wap settings up.
dns 193.113.200.200
and 193.113.200.201
np mobile.o2.co.uk
but something seems to be missing. Could somebody please supply the complete settings.
WAP...
Ehm, as far as WAP goes...
We did not include the EZWAP program in our install. So WAP is unlikely to work. WAP wasn't in Othman's Qtek ROM (it has no autoconfig settings and no WAP), and we didn't create mkrom to take input from multiple ROMs. We figured serious users would want to the new EZWAP which also does MMS (which isn't included by O2), and we never really used WAP or MMS ourselves. So I guess we never tested any WAP settings...
If you want you can have a look at the registry settings we insert for each provider in the 'provider' directory of the mkrom kit. If you think some settings are missing, you could do a registry dump (using the 'System Snapshot' we put in the ROM) before and after fixing the problem, and send us the differences. We can them insert them in next versions of the Special Edition ROM.
02 internet settings
Is this what you want?
Name: 02 Mobile Web
Select a Modem: Cellular Line (GPRS)
Baud rate: 19200
Advanced:
TCP/IP:
Use Server- Assinged IP Address
Name servers:
Use specific server address
DNS: 192.113.200.200
ALt. DNS: 192.113.200.201
WNS: 0.0.0.0
ALt. WNS: 0.0.0.0
Access point name:
MOBILE.02.CO.UK
Name 02 MOBILE WEB GSM
Select a modem: Cellular line
Baud rate: 19200
Advanced:
Connection perferences:
Port Settings:
Data bits: 8
Parity: NONE
Stop bits: 1
Flow Control: Hardware
TCP/IP:
Use server-assigned IP Address
X Use software compression
X Use IP header Compression
Name servers:
Use specific server address
DNS: 192.113.200.200
ALt. DNS: 192.113.200.201
WNS: 0.0.0.0
ALt. WNS: 0.0.0.0
Country code: 44
Area number: 771
Phone number: 2932932
Name : 02 WAP GPRS
Select a modem: Cellular Line (GPRS)
Baud rate: 19200
Advanced:
TCP/IP:
Use Server- Assinged IP Address
Name Servers:
Use server-assigned address
Access point: wap.02.co.uk
name: 02 WAP GSM (CSD)
Select a modem: Cellular Lime
Baud rate: 19200
Port Settings:
Data bits: 8
Parity: NONE
Stop bits: 1
Flow Control: Hardware
TCP/IP:
Use server-assigned IP Address
X Use software compression
X Use IP header Compression
Name servers:
Use server-assinged addresses
Country code: 44
Area number: 771
Phone number: 2927927
There ones I use my self
UK 02 XDA
Hi,
Thanks for the above info. It worked a treat. However I was asked for a Username, Password and Domain login when I connected to GPRS. So for those of you who do know it, here we go:
Username: web
Password: password
Domain: leave this blank.
Check the box to save the password.
Gil.
thanks, i will add it to my txt file
missed those
I am on O2 payg, using the xda, I have tried the gprs settings and it says the number isnt responding, when I use the gsm settings that are preset when doing auto config, I get charged even though I am on 300 free wap minutes, I dont think I am a stupid person but I have a feeling of having been here before when I previously had an O2 payg, any help would be appreciated. I am getting the free sms messages so I know the account is activated for the freebies. The "G" sysmbol comes on when i switch on the xda and stays there for about 10 seconds.
Hi. I'm new here so excuse me if I seem simple! I have unlocked my XDA using xdaunlock and now have same problem with GPRS dropping out after approx 10 seconds. It worked before, so has unlocking changed any settings? or has something else happened. The xda has the latest uk rom upgrade with 4.21 radio. Any help please as I dont know what to do! Thanks.
Please has anybody actually got a working setup for GPRS on O2 PAYG on the XDA, I have spent weeks on this and got nowhere. I have followed instructions to the letter from different websites and still no joy, I can connect to wap over gsm but gprs settings still elude me, anybody got a full description of settings please, and how to enter them. Thanks in advance.
Is there nobody on this forum using O2 PAYG sim and using wap over gprs? I cannot seem to find anybody with the settings, I wonder why, it seems like the holy grail just to get on line using the system that is available to me in theory? Help would be greatly appreciated.
Nobody in UK on O2 pay as you go :?: :?: :?:
Update on my problems with GPRS on O2 payg. I have tried every setting on this forum plus others, I always get error, not answering or some such, I have decided to stick to gsm connection using shortcode 951000 and exwap 2.5. if anybody can give me step by step, confirmed working settings, I would apprectiate it. This will be my last post on the subject, I am beginning to take up too much storage on the forum server with this. A resolution to the problem would be great as I can then save my connection settings to flash ram and not worry about it again.
cruisin-thru I am not on O2 so can offer limited help.
EzWAP2.5 could be yr problem.
I sometime find difficulty using WAP after a session mms'ing with EzWAP2.5 . A solf reset is then required before I can connect to WAP via gprs.
Here is my sugestion:
1.uninstall EzWAP2.5 completely
2.try to get connected to gprs or gsm WAP
3.try PIE, it works for WAP , but depending on yr
telco whether on gprs or gsm
4.if all the above is working then install EzWAP2.1
and see if it works
5.then EzWAP2.5 and see if it screw up everthing,
if not try mms.
Hope this helps, i am working blind here
OK, searched high and low and think this is the best thread to post this in.
Have just upgraded my XDA with the developers rom v1.2. Everything great for a while (3 days) Now it can not connect to gprs or gsm. I get the "There is no answer at the number dialed.
I am with O2 UK and have treble checked the settings and tried various alternatives however nothing works.
One thing I have noticed is that the autoconfig dropdown box says Austria One.....when I change that to O2 - UK and click OK to autoconfigure, it doesn't, it just comes back to Austria - One.
Phone works and SMS is fine, just GPRS/GSM
Do I need to re-flash or contact my provider....or please tell me there's a simple "fix" :lol:
Thanks
Ive got this reply through email from o2 im waiting now for password and username I will post soon as I get it
Go to Start > Settings > Connections > Connections, and then select the top modify option. Within this, there should be four connection types.... Select the GPRS WAP connection and modify the settings. You need to change anything that says o2wap to payandgo, and change the APN from WAP.o2.CO.UK to PAYANDGO.O2.CO.UK. Once you have amended these settings, tap and hold on this connection type and make it your default. You might want to rename this
Then, go into the EZwap application, and select tools and then options, and there should be a series of tabs. Select the general tab and make sure the connection in the drop down list, is the one you have just amended.
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im on o2 online genie payg 300 free wap/txts per month.
i got my txts down to 200 and i get 25free mms per month instead
i got all wap/net working for free
just follow these bits of info it all works as i have it on my xda running wm2003 no need to config dsn and ip things in the advanced bit leave them how they are:
settings are:
MMS
Data bearer: GPRS
Access point name: wap.o2.co.uk
Username: o2wap
Password: password
Authentication: Normal Gateway IP address: 193.113.200.195
URL address: http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002
Session mode: Permanent
GPRS
O2 Wap / Mobile Internet settings:
Homepage: http://wap.O2.co.uk/
Dialup access number: +44 771 2927927 (915000 dont work for xda)
APN (GPRS only): payandgo.o2.co.uk
Gateway (IP) address: 193.113.200.195
Username: O2wap
Password: password
Session type: Continuous / permanent
Port number: 9201
Note: Until May 2002, O2 Wap was known as Genie Wap (username 'geniewap').
The alternative dialup number of +44 7712 927 927 is also available,
although this number may not be free when used with O2 online
Hi, make sure first that it's your GPRS WAP connection that Ezwap is using, and set it to 'auto connect' in 'Options'
under the 'connection' tab set connection type to 'gateway' and put in your networks WAP IP address (o2 IRL's is 192.168.090.074). Click on 'connectionless gateway'
Untick 'wtls' secured connection.
Click on the 'MMS' settings tab next.
Put in your networks MMS 'Message Server' or MMS homepage. (O2 IRL's is http://mmsc.mms.o2.ie:8002)
All the other settings can be setup as you like.
1) Enable MMS on my account. Had to get 'pally' with a tech guy to do this as XDA is not supported; I suppose pretending I had a 7650 would have worked too.
2) Install EZWAP2.5
3) EZWAP Settings for O2UK:
General
"Connection"
- O2 WAP GPRS
- Connect automatically Y
- Rest on this tab default
Connection
"Connection Type"
- Gateway
- Address 193.113.200.195
- Port 9201
- Connectionless Gateway N
- WTLS secured connection N
- Rest on this tab default
Push
"Push"
- Enable push Y
- Connection type Address: blank
- Port 2901
- Connectionless Push gateway Y
- WTLS secured N
History/Cache & Identification - default
MMS
"MMS Settings"
-Message Server: http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002
-Sender Address Type: Phone Number
-Sender Address: My phone number
MMS Options - delivery recepit and read receipt Y
It's not 100% reliable, which I knew would be the case, but it's not too bad. Get now when the message arrives doesn't work, but I just open the MMS inbox and click the message to get it.
ntl
username: Normal
incomming: pop.ntlworld.com
outgoing: smtp.o2.co.uk
02
username: [email protected]
incomming: mail.o2.co.uk
outgoing: smtp.o2.co.uk
Hotmail
username: [email protected]
incomming: http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp
outgoing: http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

Anyone got MMS working using Vodafone UK and an XDA II?

Hi
I've recently unlocked my XDA II and am now using a Vodafone SIM. It works fine for making calls and for browing the net using GPRS.
However, MMS won't work (it seems to download message information OK, but not the messages themselves).
I've amended the WAP settings from the original O2 information, to the following so that in 'My Work Network' I have a connection setup as follows:
- modem type = Cellular Line (GPRS)
- APN = wap.vodafone.co.uk
- username = wap
- password = wap
And, having clicked on 'Tools > Options' within the MMS application, I have the following setup:
- Connect Via = My Work Network
- Retrieve Messages Immediately = checked
- Size Limitations (sending) = 200k
- No. of attempts before aborting = 3
- Download on home network only = unchecked
- on the Server tab: Gateway = 212.183.137.012 and Server Address = http://mms.vodafone.co.uk/servlets/mms
Hopefully this is enough info for someone to help me out with this!!! It used to work fine when I was on O2, so I can only think that I have some incorrect settings.
Thanks.
BKB
I went through this some months ago with Vodafone 'cause I couldn't get it to work either on my Qtek 9090. Problem was, neither could their teckies. They were all very helpful (large business account helped here no doubt) - but no solution. I gave up !

MMS on Vodafone on a Qtek 9000

Anyone out there got MMS working on a 9000 on Vodafone ?
I've tried lots of different settings and getting nowhere.
Byron
Hey Byron4127,
I have no problem with my Qtek 9000 or the XDA Executive.
I have MMS working on both phone.
The MMS has work has well when I was in Italy for 10 days.
You are subscribe to mms on the Vodafone network because if you are not it well not work.
You have both setting done in the MMS configuration and the My Work Network in the connection tab in settings.
If you need the settings and how to do it please email me and I well help you ok.
Ciao
Gigino
MMS on 9000
Hi Gigino
Thanks for your reply.
I'm signed up to Vodafone MMS. It works on my Nokia 7610 but not the 9000.
Please could you send me the settings you are using.
Thanks.
Byron
Hy Byron 4127,
this is how you do it:
First go to Start < Settings > Connectios < Connections > Under the My Work Network select add a new Modem Connection
If you do not have already a connection made under this setting make a new connection or edit the one you already got make show they is only one connection under this menu or the MMS well not work.
Enter a Name for the connection: Vodafone MMS
Select a Modem: Celluar Line (GPRS, 3G)
Next
Access Point Name: wap.vodafone.co.uk
Next
User name: [email protected]
Password: user
Finish
Now go to you messaging service
When you are they select MMS Configuration under Menu
Preference set that page as you like.
Server page
If you have a server they already edit it by double tap on it if not make a new server in they put this settings:
Server Name: Vodafone UK
Gateway: 212.183.137.12
Port Number: 9201 that well get change to this when tou select the wap version at the bottom of the page to Wap 1.2
Server address: mms.vodafone.co.uk/servlets/mms
Connect via: select My Work Network
Sending size limitation: I have set to 250K but you can set it to want you like.
Tap ok and then make you that this is you default server tapping on Set as Default you well see a red arrow appear next to Vodafone UK.
Then close the MMS Configuration
After all this you well see it will work anymore problems let me known and I well try to help.
Happy Easter.
Ciao
Gigino
MMS on vodafone
Hi Gigino
Your settings cured the problem. Thanks very much. I've been struggling for 4 months with this.
Your settings were the same as mine except for the user name and password.
But changing them fixed it.
To add the icing to the cake, the first picture I received today was of my new grandaughter born last Thursday who I haven't seen yet.
Thanks again very much for your help.
Byron

MMS Vodafone UK with WM5

Help! - Has anyone else transferred their O2 xda Exec to Vodafone, or does anyone have a V1640 that they can check the settings for MMS with me?
I've changed over to voda, have loads of apps installed. Vodafone's business help line seem blissfully unaware of the extra settings inside the Messaging App on WM5 for MMS config.
Normal internet connectivity is ok, but at the moment I can't seem to download any new MMS messages. They arrive in the inbox and the size shows up, but I just can't download.
For the Connection details - Stangely, using the dedicated IP that the support team provided for the IP address of 212.183.137.012 doesnt work, when its on IP address is provided, it does try and access messages, but just can't download them.
Its got to a stage now, where they seem unwilling to help because its "not a handset they provide" despite me explaining that its the same mobile OS as dozens of other handsets and the settings will be exactly the same as on any WM5 based device.
The settings they can't seem to help with are those inside the messaging app on the menu "MMS Configuration" (see below)
----------------------------
Messaging > MMS > Menu >MMS Configuration
Preferences Tab:
Retrieve messages immediately (ticked)
Download on home network only (unticked)
Save sent messages (ticked)
Reject all messages (unticked)
Allow delivery report (unticked)
Allow read report (unticked)
Use signature with this account (unticked)
Signature (blank)
Attempts before giving up: 5
Photo Resolution: Original
Servers Tab
> wap.vodafone.co.uk
Server Name: wap.vodafone.co.uk
Gateway: 212.183.137.012
Port Number: 9021 (also tried 8080 - no luck)
Server Address: http://mms.vodafone.co.uk/servlets/mms
(also tried without the http://)
Connect Via: Vodafone MMS (see below for this)
Sending Size limitation: 100k
WAP Version: WAP 2.0 (also tried 1.2)
About
MMS Composer version 3.0.0.32
---------------------------
Can anyone help, its been several days now and its really annoying me!
Annoying, but here's how
Hi Derek,
I just got this working again after having the same problem as you. Here is my setup (based on WM6 on an O2 XDA Exec running on Vodafone) - and the trick you need to know is at the end:
Settings -> Connections, I created a new modem connection called "Vodafone MMS & Data" of type "Cellular line (GPRS, 3G)". Under this setting, I have created two connections, one called "3g data" and one called "3g Wap Connection".
"3g data" is set up with access point "internet", username "internet", and password (I think) also "internet"
"3g Wap connection" is set up with access point "wap.vodafone.co.uk", username "wap" and password "wap".
OK, so you have a connection with two options set up as a result of this. For 99% of your day-to-day browsing, you just leave the connection set to use "3g data" by default, but when you get the notification of an MMS message, disconnect any existing online session and then go in and select the "3g Wap connection" option, then tap-and-hold and select Connect. Once you're online with the Wap connection you can then go and download your MMS message.
Hope this helps,
Darren
Here's what to do
In Settings/Connections/Connections you should have one connection set up under My ISP for internet access:
Name: VF Web (or whatever)
Select a modem: Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G)
Access point name: internet
user name: web
password: web
You should also have one connection set up under My Work Network:
Name: VF MMS (or whatever)
Select a modem: Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G)
Access point name: wap.vodafone.co.uk
user name: wap
password: wap
Finally set up your MMS configuration to Connect via: My Work Network
That's how to link internet and MMS to the two separate connections.
Waking up the deads
Lol
Have you seen the date of the thread?
I´m sure he/she already solve it
orb3000 said:
Lol
Have you seen the date of the thread?
I´m sure he/she already solve it
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I did indeed notice the date of the thread. However the advice given here was not the best solution. I was trying to set up MMS on my O2 Exec on a Vodafone sim for the first time a few days ago, and couldn't find a complete and proper solution anywhere. Thankfully I managed to work it out and posted it here in case it helps others. The Universal and WM5 are both still alive and kicking.
Thats ok mate, just joking
Thanks for your comment

O2 HD2 MMS settings/configuration

Hey Folks,
I'm having difficulty setting up MMS on the HD2, I have just called O2 and they don't support this device. Does anyone know how to configure the settings manually for MMS messaging?
Hi, I got these settings from an helpful O2 rep.
MMS setup – ensure GPRS settings are completed
· Select 'Start' > Select 'Messaging' > Select 'Menu' > Select 'MMS Configuration' or ‘tools’ > Select 'Servers' tab > Select 'New'
· Type in Server name or 'O2 MMS'
· Select 'Gateway' and type in '193.113.200.195'
· Select 'Port number' and type in '9201'
· Select 'Server address' and enter 'http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002'
· Select 'Connect via' and select 'My Work Network''
· Click 'OK'
· Highlight 'O2 MMS' and click on 'Set As Default'
are you having trouble sending MMS messages? I ran the auto setup function and I can send messages fine....problem is...I'm not receiving any!!
and I cant see any way to enter the setting manually since message menu doesn't exist.
tried the 02 website, it just says there's a problem and can't proceed....tried texting for the settings, doesn't work either
so...any more ideas?
twisted-pixel said:
are you having trouble sending MMS messages? I ran the auto setup function and I can send messages fine....problem is...I'm not receiving any!!
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I had same problem swapped sms service to GSM only now I receive texts fine
fingers crossed
MMS problems not SMS
Yea I got the manual configuration settings from 02 aswell but unfortunatly the options are not available in the HD2, don't know if its a HTC sense thing or a WM6.5 design change to the UI that disables the old MSS configuration settings... anyone got suggestions... I hate having one of the best phones on the market and can''t receive MMS's ;-(
twisted-pixel said:
MMS problems not SMS
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oops sorry
my mms will send but not receive .grr.. least got sms working tho
Anybody solve this issue, I can send but not receive MMS on O2 in the UK.
I just use the settings that the phone sets up for O2, they are the contract settings though and not PAYG, just tried it now and I also can send mms but can't receive them, and O2 won't help as they don't support the phone.
Hi, I couldn't receive MMS on O2, but have manually configured it, and it's now working fine.
The configuration screen is found on the Sense UI here:
Messages, All messages, Menu, Settings, Options, MMS Server (right softkey)
Hope that helps.
try this, it worked for me.
Scroll to settings>menu>all settings>connections>connection setup.
Now choose your Country and Operator. Let it do its bit and re-boot.
Should be all working now.
chill......
chill today said:
try this, it worked for me.
Scroll to settings>menu>all settings>connections>connection setup.
Now choose your Country and Operator. Let it do its bit and re-boot.
Should be all working now.
chill......
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Works for me as well, but only if you are on contract, the PAYG settings are different.
configuring MMS Settings
garethmc said:
Yea I got the manual configuration settings from 02 aswell but unfortunatly the options are not available in the HD2, don't know if its a HTC sense thing or a WM6.5 design change to the UI that disables the old MSS configuration settings... anyone got suggestions... I hate having one of the best phones on the market and can''t receive MMS's ;-(
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Hi not sure if you solved this but for other peoples reference here is how you can check your settings.
Run the connection setup which will create an MMS connection that you can check in
all settings /connections/connections/advanced tab/select networks> there should be a connection called *.* MMS Settings > click edit to make sure the settings are as they should be.
* make sure when you exit the network management screen that your default internet connection is selected or your internet will not work.
exit from here and then go to messaging tab on the home screen.
choose all messages/menu/settings/options.
in this screen choose menu/MMS server and then configure or check your settings.
In my case the connection wizard had a space in the server name and the wrong port selected
Hope this helps
From connection setup makesure you select to update connection setup database. It found a new one when i did it.
optiknerv said:
From connection setup makesure you select to update connection setup database. It found a new one when i did it.
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thanks but the connection update still contains errors for me
hence the need for manual adjusting
regards lakeman
Right,
Firstly I hope that people have solved their issues with this but if not here's how i got mine to work.
It seems that there are two steps to gettign MMS to work properly.
Step 1: Configure the MMS Settings:
There might be other ways of doing this but this is how i did it and it worked.
Start > HTC Messages > Menu > Settings > Options > Menu > MMS Server
Select O2 UK Or whatever if you're doing this for another network.
The O2 settings should be as follows:
Contract & PAYG are the same here.
Server name: O2UK
IP Address: 193.113.200.195
Port Number: 8080
Server Address: http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002
Connect Via: My Work Network *
This is actually the important bit and the throwback to theold days of windows mobile. MMS' are not received over you're standard data connection so you have to specify different settings so HTC / O2 are using the Work Settings to get around this.
Send Limit: 300KB
WAP Version: WAP 2.0
Step 2: Configure the connection settings for 'My Work Network'
Start > Settings > Menu > All Settings > Connections > Connections
Select 'Manage existing connections' under My Work Network.
Select what ever option is there and selected and hit the edit button.
Enter a name for the connection: anythingyouwant
Select a modem: CellularLine (GPRS)
hit next.
Now here the settings do start to differ for contract and PAYG:
Contract: Access Point Name: wap.o2.co.uk
PAYG: Access Point Name: payandgo.o2.co.uk
hit next.
Contract: Username: o2wap
Contract: Password: password
Contract: Domain: (Leave Blank)
PAYG: Username: payandgo
PAYG: Password: password
PAYG: Domain: (Leave Blank)
hit finish.
Hopefully you should now be enjoying MMS on you're Leo
Missing DLL
Phoenix,
Looks good except that having gone back to the winmobile sms client as I need access to my subfolders, it seem that the dll that is "removed" as part of that process is needed to make MMS work on the HD2. Have been experimenting and if one goes back to the HTC client (this recreates the missing dll) then MMS messaging works fine.
Although MMS is not a big deal to me it irks me that I can't get it to work in these circumstances. Have chased Zenyee, who developed this tweak in the first place, on how he is getting on with solving the MMS issue but no response to date.
So anyone in the same boat who has managed to crack MMS sending, please PM me.
Cheers
WB
Ive not cracked it as such but found something interesting....I was fed up that my device couldnt do mms whilst using leo energy rom, tried doing manual settings etc,ended up flashing original leo uk o2 rom....
I have crossed reference all the settings and the only thing i find different is that on the original o2 rom under "my work network" gprs is selected where as on cooked rom gprs, 3g is the option.
could this simple thing be causing issues??
HELP
i'm also having trouble with o2 mms settings the help on this page did not help. i cannot send or receive mms. i purchased the handset from ebay, it was locked to tmobile. i've had it unlocked and all other functions (web, mail) work fine. please help. it's driving me nuts.

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