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Mobile computing can be achieved at most 30% by PDA phones due to the limitations on input, display, applications, memory and CPU speed. How do we get Internet for our laptop on-the-go, or as a back-up for broadband Internet on the laptop at home for the mobile phone users who have canceled the home phone service? It is reported that 25% of mobile phone users voiced the inclination of abandoning home phone service.
Hotspot service is expensive, sparse and segmented. The Wi-Fi capability on Pocket PC's is still ahead of its time now. Fun to try: T-Mobile HotSpot WiFi at Border's book store - first 24 hours free. I tried it and it is great. $6/hour pay-as-you-go plan or $30/mo plan are basic choices.
T-Mobile's $20/mo unlimited anywhere 40Kbps GPRS Internet pipe is still the primetime bottomline. Now that nights and weekends are free from at least T-Mobile, a 7Kbps CSD (circuit-switched RAS (Remote Access Service) dial-up) connection pipe works economically for a lot of people, e.g., for PDA friendly sites, or as a terminal for controlling remote tasks. Either GPRS or CSD, and for CDC, dial-up to corporate LAN or ISP, it calls for a wireless modem or the Pocket PC centric Internet pass-through capability.
How do we get wireless data connection for the laptop, hopefully via your XDA I? And if we can, what channel do we use for that between the laptop and the XDA I, IrDA or Sync port? For O2 users that are on ROM 3.17 (before 4.0), the answer is easy since there is this wireless modem application:
http://www.sourceo2.com/NR/rdonlyre...5e3iadmr2qr6kna/CTS1299-1+Setup+Xda+Modem.PDF
No luck for the rest.
Look at how many times this question has been asked. I bet that this is the single most frequently asked non-trivial question, THE perennial issue of XDA. Here is a round-up of all the links on this issue:
http://www.xda-developers.com/modem/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=6085
Other topics (replace the topic number from the above link):
6280, 6263, 6143, 5751, 5580, 4973, 4928, 4783, 4638, 4661, 4601, 4570, 4067, 3950, 3612, 3406, 3291, 3164, 2816, 2795, 2718, 2643, 2383, 2126, 2065, 1954, 1773, 1581, 1430, 1142, 1127, 1081, 973, 915, 904, 596, 487, 119, 108, (Less informative: 6074, 3689, 3303, 3151, 2323, 1683, 1550, 1568, 1011, 717, 608, 578, 291, 186,)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=27042
Other topics (replace the topic number from the above link): 29341
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/articleview.php?s=17252daff8ab7bcdcbdf960fe992756f&articleid=5710
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f96cc8be8832dc10c6aacc8aea1cfbf&threadid=6663
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f96cc8be8832dc10c6aacc8aea1cfbf&threadid=23987
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f96cc8be8832dc10c6aacc8aea1cfbf&threadid=12982
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f96cc8be8832dc10c6aacc8aea1cfbf&threadid=9195
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f96cc8be8832dc10c6aacc8aea1cfbf&threadid=4725
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f96cc8be8832dc10c6aacc8aea1cfbf&threadid=7515
http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=fbe61c7d81a966344d591622be1a0d4d&threadid=5067
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23805
Other topics (replace the topic number from the above link): 23287, 20720, 9054, 6825, 6726, 5206, 4727, 3156
I didn't go through more than 20% of them - someone please pick up from where I left off and come up with an in-depth survey. As far as I have seen, here are your options:
Option 1: wait for ActiveSync 4.0 (hopefully with PPC-sentric Internet pass-through) or a commercial package. There is such a commercial solution http://junefabrics.com/ for Treo but they replied my email and said that they don't support XDA. The market is so big, craving for a commercial package. God knows when it comes, or at all. To software vendors, it is a business risk to develop such applications fearing that the capability come native with ActiveSync or WM200X.
Option 2: the original hack, the first xda-developers.com link above. I have yet to try whether or not it works for my XDA phone. If anyone tries it and get it to work, let us all know. I don't see the "substantial negative effects" that substantial as far as my use is concerned. I wonder if we can use the USB sync cable instead of buying or constructing a serial cable.
Option 3: buy an AirCard or a modem-capable phone for your laptop. The Siera 750 card can be purchased from eBay for $70 ($300 from T-mobile). The dilema is, if you get a GPRS data-only plan with a new wireless line number from T-Mobile, it's $30/mo, and your XDA is still not connected! The same plan, if added to your voice plan as an additional feature, is $20/mo. T-Mobile does not make you a cloned SIM. Even if you have a family plan and your other phone is modem-capable, using the other phone for your laptop would not work in the case of T-Mobile US since the feature is added to the wireless line, not your plan! The latter is far more preferable. But with the AirCard solution, you would have to switch the SIM card back and forth - very inconvenient - you could end up losing your SIM. Hardware capability wise, the XDA is an air card and then some. We only need some software code to get it to do what an AirCard does! I have yet to research how to clone my SIM card for the AirCard use. http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3961 may be a starting point.
Option 4: XDA II, as the last link above suggests. I am not sure how well it works. Can some XDA II users tell us whether or not you can use it for the wireless modem and at the same time run applications like Excel or even Pharos GPS which uses the sync port?
Option 5: the ROMKitchen
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/ROMkitchen
or the "sooo yesterday" Special Edition ROM w/ WModem
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/SpecialEditionROM
Note that in June 2003 at the second link (6663), SwampNut showed us the light at the end of the tunnel but he meant the "XDA Developer Special Edition" of ROM. I am exploring the possiblity of carving the wireless modem out for it to work on XDA without ROM upgrade
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=6442
As of now, ROMKitchen is based on 4.00.05 Microsoft WM2003 test ROM
Wait for the new kitchen that is based on ROM 4.01.16 WM2003 official release plus Radio 6.25.02 (T-Mobile new posting) or higher.
Option 6: T-Mobile WM2003. The version posted mid March is ROM 4.01.16 and Radio 6.25.02 Unfortunately, it does not come with the wmodem application. I am asking people who have upgraded to try the wmodem.zip file in thread http:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=27042
The chance that it works is no larger than 50% based on Mad Max's comment on 4.0 series modem in thread: "Wireless Modem are not available under any 4.xx ROM available today" where "today" was Aug 03, Wireless Modem on Special Edition was from O2 ROM 3.x hooking into radio stack but hooks changed under ROM 4.xx:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=29341
I may have missed some options buried in the links, but very few.
Most of the talks so far have been focused on using the XDA as a passive modem. I used to use WinGate to share my DSL Internet connection at home back then when routers were pricy. WinGate is software that runs on one PC with two NIC cards, which serves as the Internet gateway. A gateway is a router, a proxy server for Internet. The client machines talk to it over LAN to get Internet. Can an application be developed or ActiveSync be enhanced to mimic what WinGate does, i.e. making XDA an Internet Gateway. This approach makes more sense as XDA II gets WiFi - your laptop would get WiFi speed automatically instead of being stuck in the GPRS/CSD speed. I even went as far as checking with WinGate's US reseller, and the answer is "not yet but in the future plan". (I doubt that it's in their future plan; it's just politically right.) This solution would be nirvana. I wish XDA application developers could crank out something this good, soon!
XDA has the Internet out of the box when you place it on the cradle. ActiveSynch 3.5 is designed to use the PC as the Internet gatway:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnppc2k2/html/ppc_through.asp
The other way doesn't work. ActiveSync is not symmetric yet; it's only PC centric Internet pass-through. The new ActiveSync 3.7.1 doesn't seem to address this major inability:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/resources/downloads/pocketpc/activesync37.mspx
Come on, a Pocket PC is a real computer as Pinoccio is a real boy!
Mr Gurus....can u help me...why did my wmodem on XDA 1 that have installed 3.17.03 ROM already, cannot use USB as connection ?? :?: :?:
Have given up
I am not as guru-ish as my screenname sounds. I meant to galvanize responses and solutions but that didn't materialize. I am very reluctant to hack it into working. Now that I got Motorola V600 for my daughter on the family plan, I am to buy a bluetooth dongle to use that for my wireless modem. There is another thread in the networking category that basically talks about using the O2 load. I didn't try due to the concern that it not work with USA T-Mobile network.
Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???
It doesnt work in my jasjar
didnt think it would......
Its ROM dependent if i am not mistaken.
UD.
Dont tempt the devol on that one: 802.11G on the Universal
universaldoc said:
Its ROM dependent if i am not mistaken.
UD.
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Hello everybody; For your information, i tried everything discussed in the forums to unlock 802.11G on the Universal (V1640 flashed to qtek 9000 french release), from altering manually the registry and clicking on the avaiable cabs whithout any success.
But i almost lost connection between my UNIVERSAL with my 108Mb netgear router in the process and could'nt revert back WITHOUT hardresetting the universal and reinstalling it from scratch.
So my advice would be to await lore precise info on that "may be embedded" feature without attempting anything in the meantime as your bound to loose some of the features of the universal.
Brgds, Arnaud
It worked on my JasJar, although at first it didn't want to reconnect. I'm not that it's any faster, but I think I'll leave it set this way.
**Can't get it to work after setting my wifi back to mixed and then back to G only, so maybe I was hallucinating previously. Sorry**
It doesn't work. I even tried it myself! I was sitting here switching my router from B&G to G-only and it would only connect when in B&G mode...
Why would they design hardware that could cope with 802.11b and g and then cripple the faster speed through software?
Surely this must be a hardware limitation that we'll never overcome? :?:
Unless maybe it's to preserve battery life. Would the g protocol require more battery than the b protocol?
If you check the chipset datasheet for the wlan you see that there isn't support for G. This is just a hoax.
End of hoax
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If you check the chipset datasheet for the wlan you see that there isn't support for G. This is just a hoax.
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Hum, this certainly makes sense and seems a final and reliable statement;
Adhoc (Arnaud)
Didn't work for me.
Didn't work also on my Dopod 900.
Re: End of hoax
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ncruz said:
If you check the chipset datasheet for the wlan you see that there isn't support for G. This is just a hoax.
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Hum, this certainly makes sense and seems a final and reliable statement;
Adhoc (Arnaud)
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The link is on the wiki, on the hardware part...
May have worked
I could not find the device under the same registry string as documented.
Found my wireless under tiacxwln1, suggesting the listed fix may relate to newer models may have a newer wlan card. My unit is a T-mobile MDA pro given to me around November.
Amended the registy settings and connected to a 54g router.
Did seem faster and have discovered more networks at my office today.
Still to establish if it is 54G or not.
On another note looks like T-mobile uk may be readying a rom upgrade, lots of activity on their ftp site last week. Half of the URL's I use to have to official upgrades and firmware for T-mobile uk devices dont work anymore.
It's got me thinking about this whole thing.
WHAT IF you could "rewrite" the radio stack, much like Linksys has provided the source code so that avid developers and Linux lovers could mess around with it?
Could we possibly enable EDGE capability? Could we retune to get 850 instead of 900 MHz?
Since the radio stack can obviously be changed regardless of the CE ROM, it may not be tied too directly to jump points in memory (unless the developers are following a fixed structure on how to build the stack).
I'm thinking back in the days when latter 33.6k modems were flash-upgradable to 56k with that K56Flex/X2 fiasco back then...
If the hardware is there and is primarily software-controlled, it just takes the right reprogramming to get it right.
Anyone on the same page as me?
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Since the radio stack can obviously be changed regardless of the CE ROM, it may not be tied too directly to jump points in memory (unless the developers are following a fixed structure on how to build the stack).
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What you call a "radio stack" is usually a realtime unix
operating system, running on a separate computer with its own CPU/RAM/ROM/IO/etc.
It is relatively easy to replace wince with Linux on the "general purpose" part of the phone.
Dealing with the GSM part is much more difficult for various reasons.
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Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???
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Universal uses the same TI ACX100 wlan chipset as the Blueangel, ipaq hx4700, and many others.
It supports only the 11Mb speed.
cr2 said:
ratcom said:
Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???
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Universal uses the same TI ACX100 wlan chipset as the Blueangel, ipaq hx4700, and many others.
It supports only the 11Mb speed.
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Then Universal chipset is different from Wizard chipset...:?:
I tried DJVW WLAN 302.11g Activator, suggested in Wizard forum, with my 9000 but i get CapNotify error on startup :?
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ratcom said:
Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???
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Universal uses the same TI ACX100 wlan chipset as the Blueangel, ipaq hx4700, and many others.
It supports only the 11Mb speed.
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Is there a pin compatible 802.11G chip out there? If upgrading surface mount RAM in these things is possible, why not radio chips?
Tryed it, been there.
DOES NOT WORK FOR ME
(testing was done by setting my Router to G only mode the MDA PRO would not connect)
Hi,
I need to connect via modem to the PABX. The PABX is connected to modem via RS-232 on the remote side. I tried to use MobileVT SW. The problem is that I do not know which device on P3600 I should select and how to configure if it is even possible. I tried all devices. Some of them allowed me to enter a number but when I confirmed the number I want to dial it simply did not do anything.
Anybody can help on this? Possibly recommend different SW?
I thought that I will select GSM modem and connect via GSM network to the remote modem.
Thanks a lot,
RF
Eeerrh, GSM modem.....
Are you trying to telnet / SSH to your remote PABX host via dialup using the P3600 as an GSM dialup modem?
If yes, then you'll be disappointed. The HTC implementation of the GSM modem has problems in reasonably recent devices, including Trinity.
I have no luck with this new device. Probably 1 out of 10 times, you will get a connection... It has been very seldomly discussed in this forum (go search "CSD" you will find few informative but dated postings), probably because nowadays everyone is hopping onto GRPS, HSDPA, etc.
I for one, however, still find GSM modem very useful despite its 9.6k baud. Wish HTC will fix it, if ever.
ww2250 said:
Eeerrh, GSM modem.....
Are you trying to telnet / SSH to your remote PABX host via dialup using the P3600 as an GSM dialup modem?
If yes, then you'll be disappointed. The HTC implementation of the GSM modem has problems in reasonably recent devices, including Trinity.
I have no luck with this new device. Probably 1 out of 10 times, you will get a connection... It has been very seldomly discussed in this forum (go search "CSD" you will find few informative but dated postings), probably because nowadays everyone is hopping onto GRPS, HSDPA, etc.
I for one, however, still find GSM modem very useful despite its 9.6k baud. Wish HTC will fix it, if ever.
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Thanks for your input. It is quite important for me. However, it is not a dial up connection as you described it. It is like when you connect to a host using Windows Hyperterminal but if there is a problem with GSM modem implementation as you say it will not work as well.
Have you tried it with new ROM available from HTC? What software perhaps GSM modem settings do you use?
Is there any other way how to make a modem connection using "Trinity"?
I agree that the GSM modem despite it's small speed is still useful.
It is getting strange. I am still making some posts to my own. Anyway, I wonder if you guys can tell me on what Com port the GSM modem can be found and if it is possible to comunicate with it using AT commands like with standard modem.
Thanks for any hint.
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It is getting strange. I am still making some posts to my own. Anyway, I wonder if you guys can tell me on what Com port the GSM modem can be found and if it is possible to comunicate with it using AT commands like with standard modem.
Thanks for any hint.
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Well I did a search on "CSD" and didnt find anything. I am very interested in GSM modem connection as this is the cheapest way for me to connect from the netherlands to my home ISP (0,77 €/hour) whereas UMTS and GPRS costs me a lot of €. So what can we do? Any software helping us?
trying 10 times wont be a solution as every call will cost me 0,77 € which makes 7,70 € at last (GPRS maybe will be cheaper than)....
Gord said:
It is getting strange. I am still making some posts to my own. Anyway, I wonder if you guys can tell me on what Com port the GSM modem can be found and if it is possible to comunicate with it using AT commands like with standard modem.
Thanks for any hint.
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I see now what you are exactly after. PPP is a nightmare on Trinity - but if you only need a serial connection, that would be easier I presume.
Try mToken, using the Cellular Line - which shouldn't have any user settings BTW since it is a built in device that shouldn't be configurable afterall.
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Well I did a search on "CSD" and didnt find anything.
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This forum really SUCKS! It can't search anything less than 4 alphabets, in case you does not notice it.
Try google instead!
I have a few questions:
1) When using the Remote Desktop, do I have to pay for data charges?
2) Which software provides free GPS?
3) I've seen all these Radio Flashing threads. What are the Radios used for?
Hope my questions are answered!!!
1. Can't help on the first one as I've never used it.
2. You can try amAze GPS. I haven't tried it though, so can;t vouch for it.
3. The radio stack is responsible for the phone functionality of the device. This includes GPRS, GSM, UMTS, and GPS operations. The version you use depends on who your carrier is as users have reported versions working better on one carrier than the other. You can find more info here
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1. Can't help on the first one as I've never used it.
2. You can try amAze GPS. I haven't tried it though, so can;t vouch for it.
3. The radio stack is responsible for the phone functionality of the device. This includes GPRS, GSM, UMTS, and GPS operations. The version you use depends on who your carrier is as users have reported versions working better on one carrier than the other. You can find more info here
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Thanks for the reply!!!
1. depend on how one use remote desktop if it's over 3g (all types of phone networks)
yes
if it's over wifi then of cause not
wifi is 100% like a normal wires network between your home computers apart from the fact that it's wireless your operator can not even detect when you're using it
Hello all, I have been in the Blackberry world for a few years so I am a little out of touch on WM. I have spent about an hour with the HD2 and I am sold. One thing I noticed is the lack of Wifi Router. I know the European version has it and I would like to know if it is something easily ported to the US version? Thanks for any input and if this is a stupid question I am sorry, just haven't been on the WM scene for a while.
P.S. I know I could use WMWifirouter but I would like to try the HTC app (also help that its free).
I suppose it depends if there is a Sim free version made by HTC.
The version we have in europe is a different model.
If there is a sim free version made, there is nothing to stop you from flashing that ROM to a T-Mobile branded device (in theory).
That should give you all the functions HTC put in.
the o2 uk version doesnt have it either. I shoudnt worry, its readily available.
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the o2 uk version doesnt have it either. I shoudnt worry, its readily available.
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Sorry, I have searched the forums but could not find it. Could you please give a link to where you can download a cab to enable the wifi router function?
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Sorry, I have searched the forums but could not find it. Could you please give a link to where you can download a cab to enable the wifi router function?
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sorry, its installed in cooked roms, never had to find a cab. (if there is a cab) When i said its readily available i didnt actually look for it, my bad. I just know most roms have it.
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Sorry, I have searched the forums but could not find it. Could you please give a link to where you can download a cab to enable the wifi router function?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598891
Wifi Router is part of a pack available at the above link.
I installed it on my TMOUS HD2 and it won't connect with my laptop I verified the wireless settings match but my laptop keeps saying to check the router...
i dunno, won't work for me...
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I installed it on my TMOUS HD2 and it won't connect with my laptop I verified the wireless settings match but my laptop keeps saying to check the router...
i dunno, won't work for me...
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make sure laptop is seeing it as an ad hoc connection, not infrastructure.
Is that a joke? What adhoc? It wouldn't work for me either (LEO). I can not see it from my laptop, no DHCP or static IP with the router SSID forced either.
Nevermind restart fixed all problems and that's really ad hoc!
Hey I have what's called a htc wifi router. Do a search for that. I'm pretty sure I have picked up the .cab from this site. This program works great tho.
im useing the router to send this! thank you much!