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Best Browser for the Mogul/memory expansion?

Hey, I was just wondering what you guys thought the best WM6 browser was. I'm currently running Picsel and besides the long page load times, it's going great. It also eats up an unhealthy amount of memory so I was wondering if anyone managed to expand the system memory. I've heard mixed opinions about different Opera versions as well as Webby so any experienced reviews on those would be awesome as well. Of course Deepfish is great but still can't get my hands on it, so oh well.

im running opera mobile 9.5 and love it, havent had a memory problem yet, and rite now there isnt a way to expand memory w/o taking the device apart

mike21pr said:
im running opera mobile 9.5 and love it, havent had a memory problem yet, and rite now there isnt a way to expand memory w/o taking the device apart
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i tried 9.5 and it sucks on m ogul icons are so big i liked the older version
much better

opera 9.5 renders nicely, but it is slow and as the previous poster said; most icons and menu options don't work (as it's made for a VGA device).
I'd stay with Opera 8.5 which works very nicely.

im using skyfire and its been working great. havent run out of memory yet while using it. and it supports flashlite 3 so it fully works with things like youtube

Y'all must have the wrong version of Opera 9.5. There's plenty of post about it. There's a QVGA cab made, the works just fine on the Mogul.
I too use Skyfire, and it seems like the best option for pages with animation, video, sound, flash, etc.
Opera, is very nice though. I wish, it played flash and stuff like Skyfire.

I'm running both Skyfire and Netfront v3.5. Netfront seems to be a little quicker, though skyfire works pretty well, just takes some time to render the different zoom levels.
Going to have to try the latest versions of opera mini/mobile since I haven't used them in a while.

Using Skyfire and Netfront 3.5. Skyfire is great for multimedia, but doesn't seem to handle downloads yet, while Netfront 3.5 is great at downloading but is pretty disabled because it's still in the technical preview phase...I do want to try the camera-based navigation when it launches though! Haven't tried Opera in a long time.

Where do you find this Skyfire?

you have to be on a waiting list for skyfire. go to their website, skyfire.com, and you can sign up, but ive been waiting for months and havent received my invite yet. itll be a while but sign up now.

dzuchowski said:
i tried 9.5 and it sucks on m ogul icons are so big i liked the older version
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you must have tried the vga version, i have the qvga and its quick and looks greaT!!

so far ive used the majoity of the versions of Opera ad i must say that the 9.5 is working great. there are a few problems but they r minor and b fixed w a few taps. as for Skyfire...i just signed up back in early april so i dont expect to get my invite for another couple months since there r ppl on here saying that theyve signed up months and months ago. btw, ive heard rumors of a web browser called "Re-vmp'd". its supposed to be an almost exact duplicate of the 3G iphone browser...no sure how accurate that info is but its worth a shot.
L8rz,
Kaz

The ipone uses a mobile version of Safari. it works well, but doesn't have flash support, so hopefully they added that in with the version that ships with the 3g iphone.

Skyfire doesn't render jack. It just pushes pre-rendered images to your phone; the faster your internet the faster skyfire is. (Also consider their server speeds etc)
I'm also pretty sure flash works the same way, it's just streaming video/audio. At least this is the feel I got based on average latencies of either technology.
It does burn ~9mb of ram though, but remains fairly constant there. It may use less on the release version after they switch out of debugging releases.

I use Safari. there is an open source port of it availale on sourceforge.net made for wm5/6

friguy33 said:
you have to be on a waiting list for skyfire. go to their website, skyfire.com, and you can sign up, but ive been waiting for months and havent received my invite yet. itll be a while but sign up now.
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"waiting list"? lol....i got it from softpedia.com (freeware download). totally legal, and publicly available. (see attachment)

crobs808 said:
"waiting list"? lol....i got it from softpedia.com (freeware download). totally legal, and publicly available. (see attachment)
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im curious, what username and password are you using to log into the the skyfire browser. that is of course, assuming that your leet googling skills have allowed you to realize that the skyfire browser, even the one linked, is a closed beta, only available to beta testers. yes, you can download it, no you cant use it...

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im curious, what username and password are you using to log into the the skyfire browser. that is of course, assuming that your leet googling skills have allowed you to realize that the skyfire browser, even the one linked, is a closed beta, only available to beta testers. yes, you can download it, no you cant use it...
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if you signed up on their site a month or two ago, you can use the login credentials you provided then. if you didnt sign up for the beta, then yeah, you are right, the CAB is useless to you. i logged in with the credentials i supplied 3 months ago, im using it. nothing to write home about. crashes when i go to any site that has an animated GIF, lol...great browser.

As funny as this sounds I have tried many of the programs previously listed. I am back to using PIE! Not without some additional programs though.
I have a program called MultiIE that enhances PIE to allow much more in the way of options. Best about this program is that it adds TABBED browsing to PIE! And yes it works but EATS memory like candy. Downside is that its not free.
I also swear by TCPMP & FlashVideoBundle. While not full flash will at least work on YouTube and several other select sites. Best about these is the ability to download & save any YouTube videos you want.
These programs ONLY work with PIE. That's why I've stuck with it.

Yea still
There is no browser that is capable as skyfire, supports flash 7, 8, and 9. Browses faster than piscel, ie, netfront. Smoothest page navigation by far. It just lacks a few features, but keep in mind it is a beta. But I wouldn't trade it for all the other browsers. If I didn't have skyfire I would settle for netfront but it seems to eat crazy ram. You have to close it before phone is fully functional again.

Opera annoyance

Ok, running default Opera, which is 9.5 build 2682.
1. I can't click unless I zoom in. Very annoying. Any way to change this?
2. There are a few things, like now ability to have popups, I think and maybe page redirects that are preventing me from logging into my dispatch website. is there any info on this?

scythe000 said:
Ok, running default Opera, which is 9.5 build 2682.
1. I can't click unless I zoom in. Very annoying. Any way to change this?
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I have not received my HD yet but have used many versions of Opera 9.5. Some versions can do this, and some can't but you can check.
Type Opera:config into the address, then under adaptive zoom, see if you can find an entry called "Minimum overview zoom". Like I said, some version of opera 9.5 has this, and some don't. If it is there, then you're lucky. Just change it to 85%. You should be able to click and activate the links without zooming in now. (please exit and restart the browser first though).
Please let me know if that helps. I'm still waiting for my HD, which is supposed to arrive this morning.

Sweet, that seemed to work.
I see that it still chugs evrytime I visit my login page, which never changes. Shouldn't this be kept in the cache, so it pops right up?
Maybe I need to increase the browser cache from deafault?

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Sweet, that seemed to work.
I see that it still chugs evrytime I visit my login page, which never changes. Shouldn't this be kept in the cache, so it pops right up?
Maybe I need to increase the browser cache from deafault?
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Not sure about the inabiilty to use the pop up. Just taking a guess here, so please don't nail me for doing so. I think it may be that your website uses Java technology which has only works on PC?? I have some bank account logins which also do not work. May be the same kinds of problem.
If it is very important to use that website on your phone and Opera cannot do it, you might want to try other browsers to see if you have better luck. One such browser is Netfront 3.5.
Hope this helps. Sorry that I can't be of more useful assistanct.

That's all helpful info, bro, I appreciate it!
It could even have something to do with flash, I get the same erro rwith the installed version of IE.

scythe000 said:
That's all helpful info, bro, I appreciate it!
It could even have something to do with flash, I get the same erro rwith the installed version of IE.
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Yes, could very well be the case.
If you're not dealing with very confidential information, there is also a possibilty of server based browser, which hopefully will be ble to handle some of those stuffs.

Note that disabling this "annoyance" also disables your ability to fire mouseover events, which are sometimes required to activate dropdown menus.

How do you mean?

eaglesteve said:
Type Opera:config into the address, then under adaptive zoom, see if you can find an entry called "Minimum overview zoom". Like I said, some version of opera 9.5 has this, and some don't. If it is there, then you're lucky. Just change it to 85%. You should be able to click and activate the links without zooming in now. (please exit and restart the browser first though).
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Excellent tweak, thanks. Makes it much more usable.
Question is why didn't it ship like this.....

arfster said:
Excellent tweak, thanks. Makes it much more usable.
Question is why didn't it ship like this.....
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I also wonder why they do not make it that way.
My guess is that most phone has very very small screen. At their screen size, it is impossible to read in zoom in mode, so they assume that you need to zoom in anyway before you click.
My present device is Athena (5 inch screen), so even at zoom out mode, we can read very clearly. It makes no sense to have to do the zooming in again before clicking on the link. HD's screen size is not quite that of Athena but is also big enough to read in zoom out mode. So, this tweak makes sense for us, although considered not necessary for the smaller screen phones.
Perhaps I would repost this in the tips and tricks thread.

eaglesteve said:
I have not received my HD yet but have used many versions of Opera 9.5. Some versions can do this, and some can't but you can check.
Type Opera:config into the address, then under adaptive zoom, see if you can find an entry called "Minimum overview zoom". Like I said, some version of opera 9.5 has this, and some don't. If it is there, then you're lucky. Just change it to 85%. You should be able to click and activate the links without zooming in now. (please exit and restart the browser first though).
Please let me know if that helps. I'm still waiting for my HD, which is supposed to arrive this morning.
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A-ha! is there a way to disable the annoying "Exit Opera?" dialog box when tapping exit?

Anybody tell me why my Opera only shows history for today/yesterday, while any older selections are empty?

This needs to go into the tips and tricks thread.
Our browsing experience has gone up one more level.
Many Thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446272&highlight=tips+tricks

I have a question.
Now that we can click links without zooming is there a way to enlarge the fonts bigger than "large" in the settings menu?

eaglesteve said:
I have not received my HD yet but have used many versions of Opera 9.5. Some versions can do this, and some can't but you can check.
Type Opera:config into the address, then under adaptive zoom, see if you can find an entry called "Minimum overview zoom". Like I said, some version of opera 9.5 has this, and some don't. If it is there, then you're lucky. Just change it to 85%. You should be able to click and activate the links without zooming in now. (please exit and restart the browser first though).
Please let me know if that helps. I'm still waiting for my HD, which is supposed to arrive this morning.
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thanks mate it did work and what a difference it now makes when i increased minimum overview zoom

I would like to know whenever I go to us.gizmodo.com on my opera browser, why it won't show the comment sections when javascript has always been enabled on my THD? It always say something like loading, but it never does load anything. Also on some sites I completely missing all the navigations buttons so cannot move forward or backwards.

Android auto-refresh web pages

I notice that sometimes android will automatically refresh a web page, one situation that it happens the most is when I am browsing the internet and open a new window from my current page, after browsing the new window and closing it, the original page gets refreshed.
Is there a way to disable this? I dont want it to refresh unless I tell it to, and its really annoying.

I guess the browser simply give up previous page when you open a new window. this is a measure to save memory and increase efficiency. a simple solution is to use a third party broswer like opera mobile.

What's worse is sites that do a perma refresh on a page. The new faceook (non mobile) is an example of that. Totally unuseable with the Android browser

i hate the auto refresh crap. especially if im google reader.

Any news on this?

billc.cn said:
I guess the browser simply give up previous page when you open a new window. this is a measure to save memory and increase efficiency. a simple solution is to use a third party broswer like opera mobile.
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Except that is SHOWS you the entire page just fine for a second, then refreshes.
Extremely annoying on EDGE especially.
I have no idea how one would go about fixing this, get into the browser code I guess.
I, alas, am no developer, but I'll donate 10 bux toward a developer fixing this, lol.

Ya that auto refresh is terrible, all it does is slow everything down since i only get edge

Most annoying part of android. I hate it to an unmeasurable degree.
I hate opera, as well as any other browser I have seen so far.

I hate this crap too. If someone can hack multi-touch into the browser, surely this can be fixed.

ya come on we need this fixed

JakobFriedrich said:
ya come on we need this fixed
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This is a caching issue. It has been discussed many times. Use the swapper script if it really is that important to you.
and "we" need to fix this? Yeah, I'm sure you're going to contribute a whole lot.

wow i'm really sorry, i know i can't do **** about it thats why i hope you guys help me i couldn't find a link with the swapper script
so if you could tell me that and how to apply it i would love you

+1 this problem also really bothers me, hopefully someone can put something together.

generic node i'm waiting fofr your help

Search the forums.

thank you so much generic node i owe you one for that

so i searched for g1 swapper script so if i just run that script the webpage won't auto refresh or what

web browser wont stay still?

hello every one please help me with this issue, when i try to read pages with a lot of content like engadget,espn ect opera and ie wont stop moving down or up its like it got a mind of his own how can i fix. this the third and the best rom i flash(miri) and try all the difrent opera browser please help i want to work the same way it work here on xda. thanks

+1
had the same issue, it drove me crazy and i started using RSS readers instead

fastguebo said:
hello every one please help me with this issue, when i try to read pages with a lot of content like engadget,espn ect opera and ie wont stop moving down or up its like it got a mind of his own how can i fix. this the third and the best rom i flash(miri) and try all the difrent opera browser please help i want to work the same way it work here on xda. thanks
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I'm not sure I understand your problem: Are you talking about the fact that the page continues to move around WHILE LOADING the page? Or is the page moving around even after it is done loading?

its after the page finishes loading. when you zoom in on a pargraph and start reading, suddenly the browser would shift down a couple of line.
Its annoying because you dont know what happened or how many lines were skipped and you have to manually scroll back

tripleA said:
its after the page finishes loading. when you zoom in on a pargraph and start reading, suddenly the browser would shift down a couple of line.
Its annoying because you dont know what happened or how many lines were skipped and you have to manually scroll back
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That's odd, I don't think I ever encountered that. What version of Opera are you using?

The OP is saying that the browser re-renders the page on a pinch-to-zoom command, thus bypassing the intended view for some reason - which happens with me as well.
My suggestion would be (from the Opera browser) going into Menu-->Settings--Display and changing the default view to Mobile which should provide a better experience for you. Keep in mind that the ability to zoom is disabled in this feature.

when you view engadget via opera, the top area where they show their most popular news continues to rotate through the possible headers.
For some reason, on opera mobile these 'headers' have different size, so as it switches, the page moves 'up' and 'down.' I'm guessing this is the same issue on espn. I'm not sure if this is opera's fault or flash lite's.
Also, the other possibility is that sometimes opera might still be loading the images, so the page would move down (but never up).

xxJPY Froyo 2.2.1 general internet rendering issues

Update:
Some headway is being made on this. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907659&page=8
Ok, here's the damage report.
Serendipity ROM: animated GIF broken AND checkerboards
Phoenix ROM: animated GIF broken AND checkerboards
Firefly ROM: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard (with latest version ONLY)
Cognition 3.0x: animated GIF WORKS AND DOES NOT checkerboard
ROM Kitchen: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard (with XWJS3 w/2.2 browser ONLY)
Perception 10.x: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard
di11igaf ROM: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard
Ultimate ROM: animated GIF broken AND checkerboards
I have tested all ROMs released that were developed based on JPY Froyo 2.2.1. This includes the latest Phoenix, Perception, Serendipity, Doc Gingerborg, and others. I spent 2 entire sleepless nights doing complete flashes from scratch, without any data on the phone, and came up with this out of all of them.
While in general they are good, fast, and stable, there are a number of issues they are having that I believe are inherent to the base firmware. Some are fixable, such as the Wifi battery drain bug; others, I'm not sure. The main one, in my opinion, are general issues with the internet/browser rendering of Froyo.
The problems are as follows:
1. Animated GIFs do not render properly. They are very random and sometimes to not work at all. You should try it and see for yourself.
2. Trying to type into fields are VERY hit and miss. For example, when browsing to a forum, such as this one, when responding to a thread, try clicking in the field where you type the response; what happens is that the cursor goes WAY up the screen, while you are left staring at the bottom of the blank white space. This happens in any forum. Some forums do not have apps developed for mobile, so it renders it useless.
3. Tapping and holding (moving) the page around in general is very iffy. Most of the time you can see a checkered background when this happens, instead of it being seamless, like it is in Froyo 2.2 ROMs. It's easy to see this on the Google homepage when it opens.
We all know that Android OSes use a cut down version of the Dolphin browser. So I installed Dolphin HD. Same problems. Only when I installed mobile Firefox as well as mobile Opera, do the problems disappear. It seems that if you open these browsers, go to a page that has animated GIFs, it sort of "kick starts" the rendering engine, from which point animated GIFs start working in the Dolphin based browser. However, the moment you close mobile Firefox or Opera, the animated GIF problem returns. Also, the issue is that using those browsers are not a solution, since they are not fully featured, underperform, slow, and are in general underdeveloped, and not suitable for daily use. I also tried taking the browser from the older versions and putting it in the new ones, but it didn't help.
That's basically all I came up with for now. That made the experience a break-it deal for me, so I simply moved back, in this case, to Perception 9.5, which works flawlessly. Any of the ROMs based on the older 2.2 Froyo firmware work perfectly.
If anyone has anything to add to this thread, that's great. This is mainly to see whether or not the ROM devs here can actually fix such a thing, or if it's something lower level. Some input from the ROM devs would be great.
If mods do not think this is the proper place for this topic, please feel free to move it.

What site is giving you problems with the gifs...I'll go try it?
Mac

Any site that has animated GIFs. Try this one:
http://www.animatedgif.net/

ajm786 said:
Any site that has animated GIFs. Try this one:
http://www.animatedgif.net/
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Well..the top banner on that site is working fine for me..as well as clicking on any of the sites that offer animated gifs... All of the animated gifs I see are ...well..animated....?
So...what exactly am I to look for to see if they aren't working properly..and I am using Phoenix 2.0 stock browser..
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OK...I see what you talking about now...it's the embedded re-direct adds that aren't showing up for you...correct ?
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No. If you reload the page, or back out of that one and go to another, it will randomly not work. Not the top GIF one, but all the small GIFs that are supposed to be animated.
Some other people were complaining of this same issue. It's hit/miss and very random.

I have to agree. When scrolling around a large image in the browser, it starts resizing randomly. I also have not been able to get any animated gifs to work in the browser.

i noticed that when scrolling up/down a page with large images, the stock browser reformats the text & breaks up images so part of the text & image looks smaller while the rest is original size. when i finish scrolling, the text & images are reformatted correctly. it's not a big deal to me. animated gifs that don't animate aren't a big loss to me either, i find them annoying
sent from my captivate + di11igaf 3.0.2 + speedmod k12k

sublimaze said:
i noticed that when scrolling up/down a page with large images, the stock browser reformats the text & breaks up images so part of the text & image looks smaller while the rest is original size. when i finish scrolling, the text & images are reformatted correctly. it's not a big deal to me. animated gifs that don't animate aren't a big loss to me either, i find them annoying
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Well, there are some forums that use animated GIFs (like weather), so it renders it useless.
I could possibly live without the animated GIF, but posting in a forum is basically impossible using the ROM. Try it on these forums (NOT using XDA app).

JPY browser has terrible issues for me.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

I agree, the JPY browser is almost un-usable for me. Dolphin Mini has been my replacement so far.

ajm786 said:
Well, there are some forums that use animated GIFs (like weather), so it renders it useless.
I could possibly live without the animated GIF, but posting in a forum is basically impossible using the ROM. Try it on these forums (NOT using XDA app).
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Not its not as i just posted this from my phone using dolphin hd mate

may want to try an older browser along with an older, non-2.2.1 libwebcore.so found in /system/lib.
this is one of the main reasons i didnt want to even make a 2.2.1 rom, its decent, the browser loads pages faster generally i think, but it checkerboards like an iphone 3g, along with the other problems you mentioned. theres other things i dont like about it but thats not what this thread is for, but changing those files may help with those problems.

di11igaf said:
may want to try an older browser along with an older, non-2.2.1 libwebcore.so found in /system/lib.
this is one of the main reasons i didnt want to even make a 2.2.1 rom, its decent, the browser loads pages faster generally i think, but it checkerboards like an iphone 3g, along with the other problems you mentioned. theres other things i dont like about it but thats not what this thread is for, but changing those files may help with those problems.
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I'm intrigued. Is the libwebcore.so responsible for "rendering" webpages? I might load up Phoenix again to give it a shot.

shaolin95 said:
Not its not as i just posted this from my phone using dolphin hd mate
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I'm confused. As soon as I load up a reply page and click in the area to type, the "cursor" goes way up the page and is basically impossible for me to type. I have to scroll up and as soon as I enter one letter, the screen goes way back down the blank area, and I have to rinse/repeat. For each letter.

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I'm intrigued. Is the libwebcore.so responsible for "rendering" webpages? I might load up Phoenix again to give it a shot.
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im not saying im 100% sure it will work as i havent tried it, but it should. im gonna try it tonight before i release a 2.2.1 build, and if it works, ill include and post back here and let you know.
worst case senario browser FC's, but its worth a shot if it does work.

di11igaf said:
im not saying im 100% sure it will work as i havent tried it, but it should. im gonna try it tonight before i release a 2.2.1 build, and if it works, ill include and post back here and let you know.
worst case senario browser FC's, but its worth a shot if it does work.
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Yeah, just tried it, and it didn't work. Loaded up a 2.2.1 based ROM (Doc ROM), replaced the libwebcore.so with a one from Perception 9.5, and it just FCs the browser when trying to type in a blank field.

ajm786 said:
Yeah, just tried it, and it didn't work. Loaded up a 2.2.1 based ROM (Doc ROM), replaced the libwebcore.so with a one from Perception 9.5, and it just FCs the browser when trying to type in a blank field.
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did you replace the browser as well, i was saying replace both, even then it may not work, but if you didnt youll have a better shot of it working with a browser from the same build you got the libwebcore from

di11igaf said:
did you replace the browser as well, i was saying replace both, even then it may not work, but if you didnt youll have a better shot of it working with a browser from the same build you got the libwebcore from
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Yes. When I got the FC, the next thing I did was replace the browser with one from Perception 9.5, and then, as a final resort, rebooted. Same ordeal; FC when typing into a field (in landscape mode).

Go to any page that plays audio from the flash player.
Is it playing ok?
Audio plays at half speed for me. but video plays fine.