Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
There's alot more to WM than meets the eye you know. The Xperia is hyped with the Panels in mind but it's certainly not the only feature there's alot more that can be done.
I, myself have removed the panels completely, I don't like them and never used them. I currently use the Panels button to open my comm manager so I can change what's on and what's not.
Have you installed any other software for you phone at all? Just a few interfaces to mention for instance:
TouchFlo
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Mobile Shell
Im sure there's more. The bottom two offer a heck of alot of customization for the "look" of your phone. Skins/Icons. You could have it looking like an iPhone if you wanted, or there abouts.
On top of that there's more programs that you can install than you can shake a stick at. It's much like a PC, the amount of things you can do with it is amazing.
I'll agree there are problems with the device, but the problem with the majority is they always look on the negatives and not the positives. Sometimes the phone is a bit hard to use and after showing a few friends of mine the phone, they have really liked it but I have had to put them off the phone because they without being rude don't have the knowledge to use the phone and be happy with it to it's fullest.
Windows Mobile really is what you make it, some like it, some hate it. It's not the greatest of operating systems for phones and it's probably one of the most hardest to use and learn, but the options you have are well worth the effort.
colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?
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Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?
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what's so wrong of posting it here? i think he has the rights to express his feelings.
mate, i hated windows mobile before! yes i did, even though i'm a microsoft "fan" but when i used my X1, i started customizing it in a way that really fits my needs, and now i'm using my phone as a computer which is always in my pocket!
you can find alot of cool stuff in the forum, customize your phone and play arround with it, change all default values (be careful not to change something that will make you hard reset, and always backup). Customize the phone, windows is the most flexible and customizable OS ever (sorry Linux fans).
let me know if you need any help
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
That means the support level for our HTC-made Xperia X1's is going down the tubes. HTC is the one most likely responsible for firmware upgrades to their hardware, so now that SE and HTC no longer co-operate/partner I highly doubt HTC will be making any firmware updates for our phone.
Consider this... the HTC Touch HD has been released after the X1, yet has already receive one or two firmware updates by HTC to fix various issues. The X1 has received ZERO updates.
SE has basically decided to give up on the Xperia X1 from what we can see, since they moved to a new manufacturer.
Of course, this doesn't mean the great developers at XDA will not be coming out with home brew firmwares and fixes, but it does mean that official support from SE is probably going to be winding down and dying...
why else would a simple fix to the bluetooth problem (which MANY people here have found) is not being pushed out? Because SE doesn't want to pay HTC to release the firmware fix since they no longer co-operate.
Oh well. I hope to be proven wrong, but the fact HTC is pushing out firmware updates for all their devices but NOT the Xperia X1 (despite being released longer) confirms this.
colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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U said it "seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!".
R U using it so you knew it is much more better ?
go buy a nokia s40 phone and then use your x1 again. let me know what you like more and would rather use.
I allways look at this that my new X1 is as a toy for Big boy.
Its all abaut somthing changing experimenting tweaking.
I like this .
or just buy nokia 6110 make call, recive call and sleep well in the nights.
I was always under the impression that this was a dsicussion forum for the understanding and development of a set of phones.
Unfortunately lately it's become an area for people with no understanding to moan.
johnchan78 said:
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
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Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?
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What a load of crap.
All we know is that HTC won't be building the X2 (or whatever they end up calling it) together. We don't even know what OS is going to run on it.
However it's SE responsibilty for the software, they are working on a new firmware, whether those on branded phone will see it depends on their networks (unless you do a DIY job).
And if SE do need help from HTC with some hardware issues, HTC will need to provided it, they will be under contract and most likely will want to build future models (X3).
HTC is not going to produce "next" Sony Ericsson phone.
HTC still produces XPERIA for Sony Ericcson.
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Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?
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no-one said that,
SE aren't using HTC to develop future phone, it looks like they're using asus instead.. although it could also be that the x2 is android based :0
so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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dude, my xperia only turns off if i have to restart due to some registry tweak, since the R3A update, i never experienced a hang
you could have posted me your previous xperia, only if i had the money to burn i would buy another
x1, there is none that can come close
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...The X1 has received ZERO updates.
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What's so funny is that you make this statement on the XDA website. What world are you in???
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so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?
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Yes and I find it pathetic. Good thing people are working on a WinMo port for it.
colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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Lies.....
I have seen what the new Palm Pre can do...it's a good interface but basically that's all it has good interface.
And yes I am impressed but I told myself, I will never buy a Palm because it looks like it has shifted from pda function to a P.O.S. kid's toy ... a competitor to the iphone.
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
Also...I really really want the Omnia HD...it's multimedia and out of the box experience is great, but AGAIN, symbian add-on software isn't as good. So if I were to buy a Samsung Omnia HD, I would buy it as a PMP, and I would buy a Toshiba TG01 as a Pocket PC.
But for now, Xperia has some qualities of Omnia HD and some qualities of other good and fast windows mobile phones like Toshiba TG01. Obviously Omnia HD doesn't have windows mobile, which I prefer over symbian (I've used symbian S60 first before switch to Windows Mobile), and it's also obvious that Toshiba TG01 doesn't have headphone jack and keyboard like the Xperia. So Xperia is the sort of the best of both worlds for now.
If I had cash I'd buy Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD seperate...but if only XDA developed for the Toshiva TG01....
If there was a super godlike overkill hybrid phone that was both the Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD...I would buy that hybrid instead...
poetryrocksalot said:
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
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I think we should sticky that comment to the front page. IN BIG LETTERS.
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hi guys.
i have a tytn II PDA.
i'm using it since 2-3 months and at the end i can says it is not comfortable at all.
microsoft has to work in the worse way it is possible every time.
not complete as a pda, totally uncomfortable as a telephone.
can u tell me if there are some roma or OS to replace the windows mobile 6 pre-installed?
i knew apple OS where the best one, is there something i can do in order to have a better pda instead of this microsoft trash one?
thank you.
Google Android?
http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/nieuws/6265/fromfeed
thanks 4 the reply.
the site u linked is in duthc and i cannot understand some things.
looking around it seems android is still under development.
could you tell me something more?
tnx
No Other "fully functional" OS exists for the device.
just out of curiosity how long have you been using the device?
first month or so of using windows mobile is always tedious... but when you get used to it.. you wont want to go back (I got a nokia N95 and regretted it)
rosebud said:
No Other "fully functional" OS exists for the device.
just out of curiosity how long have you been using the device?
first month or so of using windows mobile is always tedious... but when you get used to it.. you wont want to go back (I got a nokia N95 and regretted it)
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hi there.
i'm using the pda since 3 months.
by now i've quite stopped customizing it or "playing" with since i find win mobile set up quite messy.
i came from nokia smartphone series and found symbyan the best os for mobility ever.
fully customizable, fast, stable and above all build with "few clicks" philosopy.
with official win 6 rom, in order to reach a sub menu i have to dig into folders and tabs getting annoyed really fast.
start menu is almost not customizable, i cannot move links where i like, well they could have done a far better work insetad of that.
maybe changin rom passing to an unofficial one could give me some more satisfaction, but i'm not sure since the starting point is the same.
i hope i could explain myself at an understandable basic level ^^
sorry for my horrible english
bb.
Oh,now I get it. Phone people keep moaning about how Windows doesnt behave like symbian. Duuuh! Let go of your complete reliance on the d-pad(its a Symbian thing),you have a touch screen now,use it.
Vukile said:
Oh,now I get it. Phone people keep moaning about how Windows doesnt behave like symbian. Duuuh! Let go of your complete reliance on the d-pad(its a Symbian thing),you have a touch screen now,use it.
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lol thanks for the hint about the touch screen
i can believe you can tell me that even USING the touch screen, finding menus and doing other stuffs is easy and intuitive!
there are lots of things could have been projected better as iphone did, for example
WM6 in trouble ?
he, he, interesting post. I also spent a lot of time trying to simplify my phone interface. There are many great programs and tips on that forum. However, the first time I had an iPhone in my hands, I admitted its interface is 8 levels ahead of M$. Now, what we need is a fully customizable, fast and stable OS. Might be Android since HTC signed the partnership. Let's see. Anyway M$ got to react quickly otherwise they might be out of the game soon.
Flip78 said:
he, he, interesting post. I also spent a lot of time trying to simplify my phone interface. There are many great programs and tips on that forum. However, the first time I had an iPhone in my hands, I admitted its interface is 8 levels ahead of M$. Now, what we need is a fully customizable, fast and stable OS. Might be Android since HTC signed the partnership. Let's see. Anyway M$ got to react quickly otherwise they might be out of the game soon.
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i do hope!
happy to find a m8 in the fight!
between a fight and another, could u suggest me some link to find some customization suggestion pls?im almost desperate.
Hi, I do agree some things need to be "fixed" in windows mobile... and I have every Faith in the long run MS will do so.. not arguing with anyone here.. just my personal view.. when you get to grips with WM its not too bad.. third party apps do help tho! lol
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Hi, I do agree some things need to be "fixed" in windows mobile... and I have every Faith in the long run MS will do so.. not arguing with anyone here.. just my personal view.. when you get to grips with WM its not too bad.. third party apps do help tho! lol
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i was just joking ^^
i just hate M$, not guys who use it -like me -
anyway, any hint to improve wm6?
i totally agree with you...
windows mobile is very complicated becuase it has all these extras that the average cell phone user will never even bother using....word, excel, ppt, etc. while business users thrive on these features.....
i am an average cell phone user but the only reason why i got the 8525 is because of the large qwerty keyboard so i can text a lot, but i wish the interface was as simple as a normal phone, maybe google android will fix this problem in the future =)
extra features do not make something complicated. complicated to you maybe. Very simple and easy in my opinion, besides, its near identical in operation and style to desktop windows, which everyone, even mac users are familiar with.
buying a hermes for just quick sms is like buying a a ferrari to get to the shops... should have bought a sidekick.
"because of the large qwerty keyboard so i can text a lot"
tests show that young fanatics could sms alot! faster then a good typist on a normal sized keyboard could type
they only one who could beat the young sms fanatics was freaky enthusiast old school telegraphs people
if a full keyboard was all the requirements then a nokia comunicator would prob be closer to fitting the need of a normal gsm user who just wanted a keyboard
lyllo said:
i was just joking ^^
i just hate M$, not guys who use it -like me -
anyway, any hint to improve wm6?
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http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/
lyllo said:
i do hope!
happy to find a m8 in the fight!
between a fight and another, could u suggest me some link to find some customization suggestion pls?im almost desperate.
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Check out HTC home. you can add 8 programs to the quick launcher.
Or since you seem to be such a fan of the iPhone, why not install the iPhone interface for hermes http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302739&highlight=iphone
or you can even look into the HTC touch interface.
I think thatif you look at thoes, they will help with your situaltion.
BTW, you should look in the TyTn/Kaiser forums for specific infomation to your phone. this one is for the older TyTn(8525).
Mate, go ahead and install Mobile 6! It is a lot better than the old WM5. Make sure you get a "cooked" version from this site, one with a built in HTC cube, HTC plugin etc. You will not fail to be impressed. Did I mention that you can use a 8 meg micro card for extra storage? Try doing that with an I-Phone!
try this UI from tomorrow
try this thread
Original new site (with youtube videos)
http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/rob...ws-mobile.aspx
PointUI website
http://www.pointui.com/
tora201 said:
Did I mention that you can use a 8 meg micro card for extra storage? Try doing that with an I-Phone!
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Doesnt the iphone have 16 gigs
He meant 8 gigs of sdhc ram and if you factor in that you can have as many as you can afford then your software and music and video options are very near limitless
The Reaper
Any news about new updates/apps/panels etc ?
Things i would like to see:
1- specialized UI for Xperia made by SE. Most WM phones got one, why not Xperia?
Media Panel looks really nice, why not expand that into a complete UI skin ?
2- youtube panel
3- faster panel switching time. Currently its good and fast, but we still need it to be faster....
What do you guys think ?
very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
its a waste of time checking for new panels on the SE site.
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
When a firmware update will be available?
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why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
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'coz panel are limited to xperia users as panels interface goues officially only on x1
and panels sucks imho
Well, the guy who bought the first fax machine was a complete idiot. Because there was no one to fax to.
Or remember at the end of the 90? When no one was willing to buy a DVD-Player because there were only around 5 Movies on DVD (which we already had on CD-i ;-) ) and the film studios didn't want to release DVDs because no one had got a DVD-Player?
With the panels and the Xperia X1 it's a bit similar - it will take some time, until creative and talented developers have got a X1 for their own.
im REALLY hoping for a YouTube panel.
any progammer with a lot of spare time??
i like panels there is a free sdk so everybody can make whatever they want
if they got the skills
of cause compared to iphone there is no central place to check and access them
but looking at the very closed way apple handle it and non disclosure agreement apple handle
it developers are not even allowed to talk with each-other
and they have to pay apple to get apps in the store
and apps can only be developed on a mac not a windows or linux computer
i pity iphone developers really
but granted it's bad news for other wm phone owners if programs are only made as panels and not as programs they can use
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When a firmware update will be available?
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Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
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very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
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Believe me... Xperia is a far better device than the iPhone. iPhone was a breakthrough device, sure, but Xperia is more powerful. (I have been using an iPhone 1st Gen since it was released, and have literally not touched it since i got my Xperia)
Sure iPhone has a lot of stuff out for it... but you can't compare panels to iPhone's apps and games... panels are something different. If you wanna talk about games and apps, then more and more windows mobile apps and games are starting to support the Xperia/Touch-HD resolution and so we'll see more soon.
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
Well lets hope that sonyericsson does not treat this platform the same way they treated uiq.. Uiq is more or less dead today.. Had an m600 from se,uppgraded with their very latest (and last)firmware and still buggy like hell..
Hopefully we can get a firmware update with:
a) IE 6
b) faster panel switching
As far as the panels are concerned, SE is going to have to make XPERIA a brand before we start seeing more and more panels created. It's like the whole chicken and the egg thing, but the ball is really in SE's court.
I downloaded and looked at the SDK last night, looked alright. I bet developers are waiting to see how committed SE is to the XPERIA brand.
pf said:
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
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i'm agree with pf. i used htc phones like elf, nike, kaiser even the blackstone
but xperia was the fastest and stable, the keyboard responds fast not like the kaiser. when you use tf3d its responds faster than the diamond. there are little things but which phone is perfect??
i have no issue with the rom. i have everything original don't need to tweak anything causes only crashes.
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Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
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I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
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I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
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Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
Youtube
Here is the Youtube Panel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462595
rotsu said:
Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
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Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
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Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
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Sorry, I have no information regarding what's actually in this update. I only know this because that's what SE support have told me in an email reply.
Truthfully though, I wouldn't put too much faith into what SE support says. I talked to them about another matter about a month ago adn was promised that a fw update would come out "any day now, at the latest two weeks before xmas"... nah, don't think so
Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
I think the RAM "issue" has been addressed many times so far, the additional RAM that is not visible to the end-user is allocated for the graphics, the same implementation is done on the Touch HD.
Although i wasn't that impressed with the implementation of the panels, and indeed i was expecting more of active panels instead of images to click on and change desktop, i can also see some benefits of it. And the SDK clearly states that the panels can be active, i guess we would have to wait and see if they implement that feature going forward.
As for the registry tweaks, had it been an actual HTC device you would have to perform exactly the same tweaks and probably install SPB mobile shell on top of it because TF3D is also just a gimmick and one gets bored with it quite quickly.
It is in the nature of Windows Mobile that all of the devices with this OS actually do need a high level of customization by the user. Out of the box it gives you the basics and then it is up to the user to install programs or tweak the system to get more out of it...but that is also the good thing about it!
xperian said:
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
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So, in your belief, FERRARIS wouldn't need a warranty because they never have to be repaired or serviced ??
And why did you pay $1000 for a phone you can get for around $600-$700 ?? (clove.co.uk, smart-mobile-gadgets.com, ebay, etc, etc)
Any why did you find panels so disgusting ??
Have you seen the tools SONY posted for free-panels development ??
I think I will start learning how to "cook panels" instead of ROMs 'cos I am in love
I absolutely agree with the OP. This will be the last Sony Ercisson phone I will buy. I bought this thing the first week it came out. I felt like I got a prototype model. Crack in the stylus housing, directional button coating peeling off. Sony have not acknowleged the problems. Also the the signal is garabage, now maybe it's HTC hardware and HTC built phone but Sony need to step up and give us some support. Also Sony suck at firmware update and fixing issue. Don't even get me started on their panels crap, I love the idea, they market the panels but they don't have any development going on. Sure they release the SDK for it but for most everyday users, we just want to go on to the website and download it, not all of us are dev. Sorry for me venting but I've had enough of Sony crap. Thank god for xda-dev, if not for these wonderful members we have here, I would probably throw this thing against the wall the first month I got it.
@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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Hmm, just a remark - xda work is for HTC and X1 too, in fact HTC does not offer anything substantially more than X1 in any way.
As for Ferrari, actually these cars have amazing amount of issues besides their amazing engines, including buttons and controls falling apart in their control desk/interior...
I understand you somehow, however I use panels and consider them ultimately best for me, better than any UI solutions....
I disagree with most of your points but a couple. I was at the Crackberry forums and have seen the Blackberry storm receive or have leaked about 5 or so official firmware updates adding new features and fixing bugs and enhancing peeformance. We have gotten exactly zero in a longer duration of time. Now the X1 didn't have all the problems the Blackberry Storm had, but its not perfect either. I don't expect any firmware updates...SE software support isnt as good as RIMs. Luckily there is so much you can do with Windows Mobile out of the box.
Yes, we have lack of upgrades so far and that's no good.
Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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of course there's custom roms, some working really well but not anyone whitout issues...
I think that at least SE shoudl release an update (for normal people who don't want to mess with custom roms and breaking it's warranty) to at least fix the bluetooth issue... do you think it's normal that I can't use my X1 with my bt car handsfree made by SE?
and yes, the vaio seem like a comedy... my mom got one last year and since then no updates, no bios... no drivers... we'll never get a VAIO again... we'll go for a dell like the one I have, lot's of updates, new drivers, always improving things and enhancing features.
**** SE... why the can't be like SCEE that release lot's of PS3 upgrades?.
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Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
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Don't agree. Had one now for 2 months and not much wrong with it. In my humble opinion the phone goes well. You must have got a dud.
For me, X1 is the best WM Phone to date, no problem at all.
I really... and completely dont care about official update. I'll use only customized ROM anyway, cus it can go beyond any official ROM can do.
Only thing I care is how will they repair my phone when it fu.ked up.
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
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I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
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Alright, you have a point there. Three things:
- SE support was fine, I got it back repaired after 3 weeks (christmas time, so 3 weeks is okay)
- I'm not telling to boycott SE. I am merely wondering why almost everything usable comes from these forums or HTC rips. I think it would be more fair to actually buy a HTC device when using all the TouchFlo stuff and things.
- The hardware itself is about the same with HTC/SE, but I think it's the software that makes it or breaks it... I hope SE will put more effort into it with the X2.
As HTC produce X1, I think HTC also responsible for firmware development on X1 too.
It is not so difficult to understand why support on HTC branded products is better than on X1, X1 is not their brand and X1 is their competitor.
It is not good for HTC to make X1 equal or better than their own products.
Meh, I have owned over 5 Sony Ericsson cell phones so far and have had no problems with them that is until I got the Xperia! Why is the most expensive Sony Ericsson phone I have owned the worst I have ever had? This phone is not worth the $1,300CAD+ that $147 import fee I paid for it. I have waited a while trying different roms and programs before saying anything bad about it because I had hope Sony would get their act together but now...
Like its embarrassing when one of my friends are testing my Xperia out and it freezes up on them when i tell them how much I paid for it lol... I’m wondering how many times have you guys had to hard reset your Xperia’s? My Xperia works great! When I’m not using it...
Xperia Software Updated... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482
sad to hear but then again tweak and stuff is the thigs that will hold this phone up.. find workarounds and so forth.. developers might find alternative ways for the stuff people misses on the phone.. have some faith
hello guys,
i support all of the ppl who posted that X2 dev from SE is very poor and not followed right, no customer service like it should be, alot of complaints about slow performance and other S**T, i agree 100% this is a true fact, i deleted every single apps and left basics and still slow, sometimes freezes, need to take of D**N battery to restart..blabla memory card issue..blabla WE HAD ENOUGH.
sorry for the long introduction.
i don't know if XDA Dev ppl have done this.. am new here.
i googled WM 7 for SE Xperia X2..i found alot of articles and forums saying the X2 doesn't have required hardware. i mean COME ON!
is it possible?i believe it is for XDA, remove the non-sense apps and all the additional S**T ..would it be possible?
thank you
The Xperia X2 does not meet the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7, nor does it have the requisite hardware buttons. Windows Phone 7 is unlikely to run on the X2 or any other phone with similar specs.
SE has pledged to several updates, so there definitely will be another ROM update or two coming down the pipe...whether or not they will fix your issues remains to be seen.
In general, please do more research before posting questions like this that have been answered before. Use the darn search button!
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The Xperia X2 does not meet the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7, nor does it have the requisite hardware buttons. Windows Phone 7 is unlikely to run on the X2 or any other phone with similar specs.
SE has pledged to several updates, so there definitely will be another ROM update or two coming down the pipe...whether or not they will fix your issues remains to be seen.
In general, please do more research before posting questions like this that have been answered before. Use the darn search button!
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SE pledged 2 updates MR1 and MR2, both of which have been released, and have fixed a few issues. I have a useable X2 now which is good, the only annoying fault its the LED notifications. I don't think however anymore updates are due
SE will not release more roms to X2.
Android it's the first priority to E now........just see X10 updates.
If Hard-SPL not releases, X2 has no future.
X2 has really dated processor, its screen does not support multi-touch and come on. SE is unable to make WM6.5 work on X2 properly, how could they do this for WM7 I can't imagine.
I don't expect anymore X2 updates from SE, anyway I am really pissed off of waiting for them to fix this piece of garbage - have already bought Nokia E72 (which is btw great smartphone, besides it's cheaper). Unfortunately nobody wants to buy my X2 even for 150 EUR....
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I don't expect anymore X2 updates from SE, anyway I am really pissed off of waiting for them to fix this piece of garbage - have already bought Nokia E72 (which is btw great smartphone, besides it's cheaper). Unfortunately nobody wants to buy my X2 even for 150 EUR....
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perhaps, where do you come from??
I´m from gemany near by cologne.
Everything is in original packaging with accessories available?
I want to try the X2.
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I don't expect anymore X2 updates from SE, anyway I am really pissed off of waiting for them to fix this piece of garbage - have already bought Nokia E72 (which is btw great smartphone, besides it's cheaper). Unfortunately nobody wants to buy my X2 even for 150 EUR....
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A friend of mine has E72 and says it beats all touchscreen crap out there
150 eur is a good price for a phone for playing and testing. And praying for custom ROM development. But I doubt it will be ever available. Too bad.
Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
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Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
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Simple enough - Phone 7 is retarded and is very similar to android in menu structure. The multi-touch screen you get is not worth the primitive interface.
it doesn't matter if android runs of sd card and i have the possibility to make the android partition larger than 512mb(fat32 ver)
bring it on android and wm in case of backup id android fails
Raux said:
Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
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Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
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Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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You keep saying Primitive? Primitive to what WM 6.5.x lol, Like in WM there is mods and hacks to change things, for example SPB 3D(Which I'm going to install shortly) changes alot in Android menu's etc.. . The point I'm trying to make is SE will not make money or any type of gains in putting 6.5.x in the Xperia Pro, not to mention the hassle of making the WM OS optimized for the Xperia Pro. Do you really think SE is going to go out there way to do this because 1 person is asking about this lol cmon bro lets be serious. Sure maybe if you got 10 million WM users to sign that petition and promise on their life that they would buy a Xperia Pro with WM 6.5 then just maybe SE might to do it. It's not the fact it's not worth trying it's the fact that this is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I would be surprised if SE even responded to your email about this.
In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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My X1 died on me because of me Was a really great phone. Now getting some cash together to get one more again or, maybe, X2.
I'd love to see this happen but I'm to much a realist to really believe in it (voted yes nonetheless).
I also agree on WP7 beeing retarded. In fact I really hope it will be a complete failure for MS. I don't want to see MS abandoning the smartphone market but WP7 is just a huge disgrace. It does nothing, is completely locked down and it is ugly (ok this one does not count, just my personal taste).
I hate Apple and their business policy, always have. But when it comes to WP7 I would rather buy an Iphone. This way I would at least get the original instead of the bad copy.