I have just got a new battery from HongKong for my HD.
It is 1500 mAh and they claim 50-80% longer use after 2 or 3 charge cycles.
it is an X level High Capacity made by Momax, a very large company making batteries for many companies. Comes in full retail blister pack and is specific for the HD. I have used a normal Momax before but not the X Level, will report after a few days use.
Cost me USD $20 from Ebay about £13. ordered on 21st December and arrived today. Ebay seller is eshopmomax. their web site is www.shop.momax.net, included was a discount voucher for HKD $17 off my next purchase before Dec 2009..
oooh, sounds nice! Will eagerly look forward to your next post on this.
I wonder how much they pay for advertisement on this forums
kjt57 said:
I have just got a new battery from HongKong for my HD.
It is 1500 mAh and they claim 50-80% longer use after 2 or 3 charge cycles.
it is an X level High Capacity made by Momax, a very large company making batteries for many companies. Comes in full retail blister pack and is specific for the HD. I have used a normal Momax before but not the X Level, will report after a few days use.
Cost me USD $20 from Ebay about £13. ordered on 21st December and arrived today. Ebay seller is eshopmomax. their web site is www.shop.momax.net, included was a discount voucher for HKD $17 off my next purchase before Dec 2009..
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Sorry but you will not get anywhere neat 50% improvement.At most you will get about 12% improvement going from 1350 to 1500. Claiming that the capacity will increase from 1500 to over 2000mah in several charges is very odd. Why not advertise it as a 2000mah battery - simply because it cant.
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I assumed this was a forum to share information with others. I only wrote what I thought would be of interest. If I have this wrong, my apologies, I will not bother in the future and no I am not paid by them. I just quoted information from their advert.
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I assumed this was a forum to share information with others. I only wrote what I thought would be of interest. If I have this wrong, my apologies, I will not bother in the future and no I am not paid by them. I just quoted information from their advert.
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You don't need to apologize, friend. Keep telling us about your experience with this battery. I'm interested.
Thank you for your information. Dont bother with some people who made perhaps bad experience.
Really interesting site, interesting stuff and amazing shipping costs.
I'm insterrested too to know if there is really a difference. I'm a very big user of the PDA and my battery is empty in 10 hours
Yep,
Here too. I have to re-charge every evening/night.
Momax just got a new customer...
I'm interested too in knowing the performance of the high capacity battery after say 1 month. I ordered an after market one before but it became useless quite quickly. So this time, I ordered two original battery manufactured by HTC. I have the spare with me so that I need not stinge in the usage.
Interested as well... because after a month somehow my normal battery lasts somewhat more than half a day, even with medium-low phone usage (no Bt, wifi or data)
So, if this is the standard of the proper HTC battery, i'm more than interested maybe in a better quality and even aftermarket higher capacity battery.
Keep us posted on your experience (shipping, battery life etc...)
Update: Just ordered a battery, charger and silicon case for <40 Euro inc. shipping... might as well try myself
Every night?????
It sounds me terrific.
Me, in your shoes, should review my connection settings. Possibly, someone is connecting unceasingly and draining your battery.
Three days ago, I travel Pamplona to Malaga (near 1000 Km.), using GPS, phone, mp3, ebook reading, data connecting...
Yesterday I have returned, and, yes, I must to re-charging (7 %). Two complete days of intense use.
Think deeply who's eating your power, mate.
Regards.
Nacho Garcia.
I too seem to be able to get two days of intense usage before battery runs out. HD really surprised me with its incredibly long battery life. I might not have bought the extra battery had I known that the battery is that good. However, with the extra battery, I start forming the habbit of letting it run to warning level before charging in order to prolong its life, and I carry the spare when I see that the remaining level is getting low.
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I too seem to be able to get two days of intense usage before battery runs out. HD really surprised me with its incredibly long battery life. I might not have bought the extra battery had I known that the battery is that good. However, with the extra battery, I start forming the habbit of letting it run to warning level before charging in order to prolong its life, and I carry the spare when I see that the remaining level is getting low.
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With my standard battery I would take it off charge and with moderate use (2 or 3 calls and check emails every hour by the time I got home after 8 hours battery was on about 20-25% so had to charge every night. Put in the new battery about 10am Yesterday, again low/moderate use when I went to bed at 11pm it was on 30%. By the time I got up this morning it was flat. Dont know what is draining the power.....
just bought one from momax yesterday and paid via paypal, it´s already on the way, I´ve been mailed a tracking number. Very quick service
Among others, both wifi and dataconnections will sap power, but you might just have a bad battery. Using the tweaks found on this forum (read the wiki) there's an option to release the dataconnection if unused (just like the standard wifi option) which might help. Perhaps you could buy one of these high capacity ones seeing as they're not expensive (otherwise you wouldn't have the HD ) and see if it makes a difference?
I live in HK and I bought mine Momex weeks ago, however, it's slightly bigger than the original and the battery cover was popped out a little bit around the volume button..didn't use that thereafter.... just thinking to buy a spare original one when it comes out in HK.
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I live in HK and I bought mine Momex weeks ago, however, it's slightly bigger than the original and the battery cover was popped out a little bit around the volume button..
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Say WHAT!? Did anyone else get that too?
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Finally it seems that Seidio has come out with an extended battery that fits without having to replace the back cover.
http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BASI15HTCX1
It is only 1500mAh which is about 10% more battery power but that might just be enough for some people to make it through one heavy day of use.
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The compatibility tab on the manufactures site says it will work with the Touch Pro / Fuze.
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Finally it seems that Seidio has come out with an extended battery that fits without having to replace the back cover.
http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BASI15HTCX1
It is only 1500mAh which is about 10% more battery power but that might just be enough for some people to make it through one heavy day of use.
Part # BASI15HTCX1
The compatibility tab on the manufactures site says it will work with the Touch Pro / Fuze.
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I might have to get me one of those.
Side Note: i just noticed you live in orlando, FL so do I. Do you go to ucf?
Seems like a lot of money for a little more power. I think I'd rather buy 2 extra batteries and a charger for half the price and just keep an extra battery on hand... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2x-Battery-13...286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:15|39:1|240:1318
For what it's worth, I picked up one of these and slapped it in my Fuze last night. I know it'll take a handful of power drains to fully "charge" it up, but will report back when I can.
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Seems like a lot of money for a little more power. I think I'd rather buy 2 extra batteries and a charger for half the price and just keep an extra battery on hand... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2x-Battery-13...286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:15|39:1|240:1318
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I bought something similar to this on ebay. The two batteries I got last a lot shorter than the factory battery. I cycled the batteries 5 times and still the capacity has not increased. I would say I get about 25% shorter battery life with these batteries...they do a good job of making them look authentic...minus they all have the same serial number stamped on them...
ahh i was hoping it had more mah, its not even worth the extra money to purchase this. the things people make, its not even worth it.
Has anyone ordered or used one of these? I'm interested I just want some opinions before I go and spend 44 US dollars on it.
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Has anyone ordered or used one of these? I'm interested I just want some opinions before I go and spend 44 US dollars on it.
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Are you serious? Look up at Beknatok's post
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For what it's worth, I picked up one of these and slapped it in my Fuze last night. I know it'll take a handful of power drains to fully "charge" it up, but will report back when I can.
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Conditioning a Li-Ion battery is a myth and you only speed up the lifetime of the battery that only lasts about 2-3 years.
When you get your phone, you should plug it in, charge it to full, and have fun with it. None if this "charge, discharge, charge, discharge" is needed.
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Conditioning a Li-Ion battery is a myth and you only speed up the lifetime of the battery that only lasts about 2-3 years.
When you get your phone, you should plug it in, charge it to full, and have fun with it. None if this "charge, discharge, charge, discharge" is needed.
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It's not a myth, sort of.
It takes a few cycles for the sensor to accurately understand the capacity of the battery. This means the battery might be detected as "empty," when there's some left.
After that, you only need to "recalibrate" once in three months or so to stay updated. For everyday use, you are right. It's better to charge whenever possible (but constantly trying to "charge" at 100% is not a good thing, even with the "smart chip" halting the process).
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Side Note: i just noticed you live in orlando, FL so do I. Do you go to ucf?
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nice to see other ucf knights on here.
So, does anyone have any thoughts on the seidio extended battery? How much longer is it lasting for you all? How much of a difference does it actually make?
As I posted before, I got the battery the other day. Thus far, it seems to extend my capabilities enough to where I only have to charge my Fuze once a day. The exception was Friday when my bus got stuck in traffic, so I watched video for an hour. Previously, I could last about 8 hours before needing to charge.
For what it's worth, I'm a heavy SMS and data user. Don't really talk all that much, but do a lot of SMS, surfing, apps, and other PDA-ish activities with my Fuze. Running the Elite RC2 ROM as well.
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As I posted before, I got the battery the other day. Thus far, it seems to extend my capabilities enough to where I only have to charge my Fuze once a day. The exception was Friday when my bus got stuck in traffic, so I watched video for an hour. Previously, I could last about 8 hours before needing to charge.
For what it's worth, I'm a heavy SMS and data user. Don't really talk all that much, but do a lot of SMS, surfing, apps, and other PDA-ish activities with my Fuze. Running the Elite RC2 ROM as well.
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So what does that mean. How many hours are you getting now? I understand you were only getting up to 8 hrs before, correct?
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So what does that mean. How many hours are you getting now? I understand you were only getting up to 8 hrs before, correct?
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Went from about 8 hours to about 12-13 hours, unless I do something super-draining like watch video for an extended period of time. Mind you, I've only had the battery in what... 4 days now, so this is still very limited scope.
Today, I was up at 6AM @ 100%... spent about 30 minutes surfing on the train, during my commute in... did some SMS... and just spent the last 90 minutes stuck in a meeting playing Freecell... and am at 57% full.
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Went from about 8 hours to about 12-13 hours, unless I do something super-draining like watch video for an extended period of time. Mind you, I've only had the battery in what... 4 days now, so this is still very limited scope.
Today, I was up at 6AM @ 100%... spent about 30 minutes surfing on the train, during my commute in... did some SMS... and just spent the last 90 minutes stuck in a meeting playing Freecell... and am at 57% full.
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So in your estimation so far.. is it worth the $44 plus shipping and whatnot?
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So in your estimation so far.. is it worth the $44 plus shipping and whatnot?
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seems like it is, when i get my pay check am def getting this battery then. remember to keep ur orginal battery ppl for warranty and exchanges
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seems like it is, when i get my pay check am def getting this battery then. remember to keep ur orginal battery ppl for warranty and exchanges
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and also as a backup! the main reason i might buy this is not to completely replace my original battery, but between the two, you can easily get through a heavy day of usage... now to find a charging dock for the extra battery...
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It's not a myth, sort of.
It takes a few cycles for the sensor to accurately understand the capacity of the battery. This means the battery might be detected as "empty," when there's some left.
After that, you only need to "recalibrate" once in three months or so to stay updated. For everyday use, you are right. It's better to charge whenever possible (but constantly trying to "charge" at 100% is not a good thing, even with the "smart chip" halting the process).
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This might be true for laptop batteries but not necesarily true for phone batts.. the phones monitor the battery's voltage and compute the state of charge based on that.. there is no "smart" guts in phone batteries
So right now I have some choices:
Go with a Seidio Innocell 3500mAh that will be about 60 bucks through Amazon that has a massive hump in the back.
Go with a solar power battery of some sort (they have 3500 mAh batteries online)
Go with cheap backup batteries.
Try recharging the battery in the method that HTC recommended.
What do you guys think?
Just curious...why? As a backup or did you have a problem with your battery?
I'd cop an extra battery, I hate the added bulk but that's just me.
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I'd cop an extra battery, I hate the added bulk but that's just me.
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+1, they are not expensive either, though I do think the actual EVO battery cost more than a Touch Pro or TP2 battery, which, by coincidence, are the same as the stock EVO battery....
I want a new or extra battery because:
Even with all the phone setting tweaks, my battery life is still pathetic. I want something I can run the phone normally with, without having to worry about my battery going dead.
And my phone did not receive the new update, which supposedly helps the battery life out.
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I want a new or extra battery because:
Even with all the phone setting tweaks, my battery life is still pathetic. I want something I can run the phone normally with, without having to worry about my battery going dead.
And my phone did not receive the new update, which supposedly helps the battery life out.
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How bad battery life you getting? I am able to get around 12-15 hours of use which is pretty good for me.
It seemed to be doing better, lasting longer than before but today, I pulled it off the charger, it was at full battery. Then I had it sit there for about an hour and half maybe (doing nothing) and I looked and all the sudden it's down to just over half battery life.
I'm not sure what's going on. Before the Network setting change, I couldn't even use the phone for 20 minutes without the thing dropping to 75% charge. After that it lasted much much longer, except for today.
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+1, they are not expensive either, though I do think the actual EVO battery cost more than a Touch Pro or TP2 battery, which, by coincidence, are the same as the stock EVO battery....
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hah yeah , definitely need to get an extra battery. I want a yellow battery like in that HD Mini!
I am convinced that there was a bad batch off Evo batteries. You might find that another 1500mah solves your issues.
Also, be careful with the 3rd party 2000mah battery as it is reported to have a real world capacity off approx 1100mah!!
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So right now I have some choices:
Go with a Seidio Innocell 3500mAh that will be about 60 bucks through Amazon that has a massive hump in the back.
Go with a solar power battery of some sort (they have 3500 mAh batteries online)
Go with cheap backup batteries.
Try recharging the battery in the method that HTC recommended.
What do you guys think?
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60 will get you 12 aftermarket tp2 batteries and 6 multi function battery chargers, batteries rated at 1500 but I don't believe they are actually that high, I'm standing at 7 hours of above moderate use on one, would easily last me through a day of work at normal use. THIS IS OFF EBAY. These batteries have not been conditioned by me yet, so I'll do that and test again.
So I'm having some issues with battery life on my device. I don't remember exactly how long my battery used to last, but I was thinking it was maybe 15 hours or so on one charge. I could get through a whole day without charging, but now I'm going maybe 10 or 12 hours if I'm lucky. Because of this I was thinking of investing in an extended battery. Has anyone had any good experiences with extended batteries? If so how much longer do they last and what brand?
Hey, honestly, I've had a better experience by toting a second battery around. Extended batteries are usually really expensive, and give maybe 6-8 hours of extra juice. While buying a second battery is cheaper, and it also gives you the added benefit of a WHOLE battery. It has saved the day more times than I could remember. Just a thought...
Lies! I got an anker 1550 mAh battery off of Amazon for 6 dollars shipped. Best thing I've done for my phone. Buy one. You shan't regret it.
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Hey, honestly, I've had a better experience by toting a second battery around. Extended batteries are usually really expensive, and give maybe 6-8 hours of extra juice. While buying a second battery is cheaper, and it also gives you the added benefit of a WHOLE battery. It has saved the day more times than I could remember. Just a thought...
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I would carry a second battery around that's charged but that means I'd have to take off my case and that is a pain in the butt. But I will consider that option if I really have to.
I've just popped in a mugen battery in my xl, I must say, its big and heavy,
if anyone is interested I can post some photo's and l'll update to let ou know how I get on, my primary reason for this was the difficulty of knowing if a battery is genuine, I've bought 4 cheap ones from china all stamped official but don't seem to match the original battery, all of them seem to last less than the original, although my original had double in physical size and would no longer fit in the case, so I thought i'd take a gamble on mugen, I would of bought a standard size one from them as I've found them to be good in the past.
so far all battery monitoring apps state the capacity as the same as the cheap ones and the original which makes me think they just list the spec for the phone and don't check, does anyone know if there is a battery app for windows phone that can correctly find the capacity?
I got the battery from amazon after contacting mugen asking if they can put it in stock on amazon as my only other option was to ship from USA which was coming to almost £100
I paid £62 delivered, if its ok to post links i'll post one to the thread.
This battery is making me consider getting a 950, it looks a lot more compact the extended one for that!
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only been using it 5 days, charged twice, both times had more than 30% left I just didn't want it to run out in the day.
Battery easily lasts 2 days usage but will need charging on the second night.
Phone hasn't crashed once since using this mugen battery, and this is during Britain's heatwave, haver taken around 70 photo's, usually it would of crashed at least once doing that sometimes every other photo, it still gets very hot but then I've only been using it so far in this hot weather.
I actually prefer the feel of the phone with this mugen case, feels a lot nicer to hold, its weighty but after a couple of days I got used to the weight and the feel and do prefer it, although I still think it looks silly, others have laughed at my brick phone but held it themselves and thought it felt nice, interestingly it seems to weigh about the same as a colleagues iPhone 7 big screen thingy which really surprised me.
Charging seems to take the same amount of time as the cheap ebay battery which I find most confusing
I've had some weird vibration noise when audio is active that seems to be from the case not fitting 100% perfect, I'm currently using the black one so, will try the white case in a couple of weeks and see if there is a difference, its very infrequent, and pressing the case together with the phone stops it which makes me think its not fitting 100% and causing a vibration.
Its a shame mugen don't make a standard sized 950xl battery, as at least you know it should be a quality product and it comes with a 12 month warranty which interestingly is double what the battery came with when new, at least in the UK the battery only has a 6 month warranty which makes me think Microsoft knew it was a weak point of the phone? although that's just me taking a stab in the dark and being bitter about having a naff battery in the phone.
Would I recommend this? Absolutely! but not if you care about your phones looks, if function is better than fashion buy one today, if fashion is more important, get a mozo and enjoy the QI charging which is something I do sorely miss.
After 3 days of regular usage I'm on 25% left, charged sat morning 100% at around 8 am now Monday night with 25% left, fantastic is all I can ?
this?
https://mugenbattery.com/shop/nokia...d-9300mah-battery-for-microsoft-lumia-950-xl/
is uuugly... my original 1,5 year battery still works good and hold 26 hours...
That's the one, I bought it in the UK 950XL Battery Amazon
Not gonna lie, it is ugly but after a few days it sits nice in the hand, if my original ms battery hadn't killed itself I probably wouldn't of looked at this, but there I something amazing about having a powerful smartphone with a battery life that can be measured in days, for me the non crashing of the phone is the biggest appeal
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I've just popped in a mugen battery in my xl, I must say, its big and heavy,
if anyone is interested I can post some photo's and l'll update to let ou know how I get on, my primary reason for this was the difficulty of knowing if a battery is genuine.
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can u post some photos of how the device looks with the extended battery?
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That's the one, I bought it in the UK 950XL Battery Amazon
Not gonna lie, it is ugly but after a few days it sits nice in the hand, if my original ms battery hadn't killed itself I probably wouldn't of looked at this, but there I something amazing about having a powerful smartphone with a battery life that can be measured in days, for me the non crashing of the phone is the biggest appeal
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Hi, I'm also a Lumia 950XL owner and was considering about getting the same big 9300 mAh battery (as I think you have that one, am I correct? ).
But in the 2nd screenshot it shows you don't have Cell Coverage at all.
I've been having issues with crashes, random reboots, battery drain within 12hours, and loss of Cell Coverage a lot with my current original Microsoft battery that came with the phone when I got I about 3 years ago (end of 2015).
I've ordered a replacement battery (that they said was an original Microsoft battery) from a shop in The Netherlands, but when I got the battery, it didn't even last 8 hours after fully charging it. And after inspecting the said battery, I emailed the shop about concerns about authenticity , cause the casing of the battery was really **** (pardon my words). The bottom of the battery almost pealed of and the wrapping really didn't look at all like the original MS battery.
It's been some time since this post was last updated, so I was wondering if you were still using the Mugen Battery that you ordered with your Lumia 950XL .. . And ofcourse how it's been holding up after a year of usage?
Any advice is welcome,
The battery is holding up well, sadly, I have issues with the phone now, about 3 months ago there is something around the battery terminals that seems to be coming from inside the handset, for many months the phone was flawless, but I'm not sure if fluid has leaked out of the heat pipe now, is that even possible? when it gets very hot it freezes. Sadly I'm now on an android phone, but keep debating buying another 950 xl, the battery really helped keeping it. Easily 2 days even with heavy usage, I'm not sure why I had no cell at the time, generally it has excellent signal and didn't affect handset quality, biggest gripe was missing wireless charging, but then due to the size of the battery it wasn't so much of an issuse.
Off topic, but keeping the phone to use as a camera as clearly no android handset marches it yet, pixel is the closest after playing with so many, but considering its over twice what I paid for the 950xl I can't face buying it, the p20 Pro was very disappointing side by side comparison, again for the price disappointing.
Bought a used LG-AS993 and the AccuBattery app says that it's battery health is at 85%. So instead of a 3,300 mAh battery I'm working with 2,808 mAh. I'm wondering if there's a more accurate way to test it or if I should return it and get a replacement.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
DJ
I dont think AccuBattery is absolutely exact. See it more like a hint of the actual state.
My G6 battery state was 108% after the first charge, and quickly dropped to 96% after 10 charges. Even if the phone was brand new.
My LG G4 was quickly reported as 82%, even if i have an LG guaranteed original battery manufactured 4 months ago.
So no, i wouldnt change it yet.
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I dont think AccuBattery is absolutely exact. See it more like a hint of the actual state.
My G6 battery state was 108% after the first charge, and quickly dropped to 96% after 10 charges. Even if the phone was brand new.
My LG G4 was quickly reported as 82%, even if i have an LG guaranteed original battery manufactured 4 months ago.
So no, i wouldnt change it yet.
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I think you are right because after a year of relatively heavy use my battery is still as brand new which can't be right.
Also just keep in mind that an OEM replacement battery is approximately $10 on Ebay right now. So you can worst-case just swap to a brand-spanking new battery, assuming you are OK following directions for pulling off the back plate using a heater (see youtube videos for battery change LG G6).
I have noticed that the less you charge, the less accurate the battery health function seems to get.
If i charge only 20% a couple of times, then the health percentage will drop. And if i charge it from 25% to full the health percentage will rise again.
If the battery charge recommendations are followed ( 40% - 80% charging every time), then the health numbers seems to become more inaccurate.
Quite understandable since it is easier for the app to calculate the health during longer charge sessions.
But at the same time counterproductive since the best way to get a long lasting battery is to charge 40 - 80%.....
So.... forget about the health tab, just charge it to maximum 80% and the battery will last longer than the phone....
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So.... forget about the health tab, just charge it
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I think that's good advice, to forget about the battery health, for two reasons: 1) Why would you even trust the "health" judgment provided by the app, which is demonstrably unhelpful and imprecise, and 2) Why invite more worry and stress over the battery which decreases your enjoyment of the phone?
Maybe we could also discuss the general schools of thought about the pros and cons of worrying about battery health.
But overall I feel like you should weigh and compare the benefits of worrying vs the benefits of not worrying. I mean, the way I think about it, is that if you apply the absolute worst treatment and abuse to your battery, you are *STILL* going to come out in a better situation than if you try to worry about the battery health.
For example, you incur a definite cost by adding extra hassle to your life of trying to just charge to 80%. So you get all the hassle, but what do you gain for all that hassle? Have you quantified what gains you get, after 6 months, after 1 year, after 2 years?
The tiny gains you enjoy after 2 years are *NOT* worth 2 years of extra hassle.
Couldn't have stated it better.
BTW I have used AccuBattery on a new tablet that I have, and it also gives variable results that aren't very helpful.
So I agree. Just enjoy your device and don't bother with these apps, unless there is some real problem to diagnose
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I think that's good advice, to forget about the battery health, for two reasons: 1) Why would you even trust the "health" judgment provided by the app, which is demonstrably unhelpful and imprecise, and 2) Why invite more worry and stress over the battery which decreases your enjoyment of the phone?
Maybe we could also discuss the general schools of thought about the pros and cons of worrying about battery health.
But overall I feel like you should weigh and compare the benefits of worrying vs the benefits of not worrying. I mean, the way I think about it, is that if you apply the absolute worst treatment and abuse to your battery, you are *STILL* going to come out in a better situation than if you try to worry about the battery health.
For example, you incur a definite cost by adding extra hassle to your life of trying to just charge to 80%. So you get all the hassle, but what do you gain for all that hassle? Have you quantified what gains you get, after 6 months, after 1 year, after 2 years?
The tiny gains you enjoy after 2 years are *NOT* worth 2 years of extra hassle.
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