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Post any reviews that you find in this thread, with a small conclusion if possible.
NOTE: I have added a poll to this thread, but do not cast your vote yet. Let as many reviews come in, and then vote.
Reviews: (links to reviews will be added here as they start coming in after being confirmed to be reviewing the final build)
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Description: The first review of Xperia to hit the Web. Does not go into much detail on performance and speed but covers a lot of stuff in detail and has a couple of really good pictures.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
Side-Notes: The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... However in my opinion, you can set the font size to your needs and can easily overcome this. Furthermore, they say that default panels are great but lacking in functionality - which i agree with, but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal. (For instance, consider the SpbShell panel or others available at SE's site)
Descriptions: M3's review of Xperia. Not too much detail, just the gyst of it all.
Link: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183975/fo...ria-x1&usg=ALkJrhjPndp9Yybs6iISJnj1OhWlA9MLBw
Side-Notes: Build quality is great but will Panels live up to the expectations? X-Panels are a bit slow at times - same as what Generation Phone House guys said - but hopefully an update will fix it up. The camera is not as good as can be expected from Sony Ericsson (although in my opinion, having seen sample shots, i think it is great!). TF3D from Touch Pro/Diamond is smoother than Panels - in the sense of switching screens/panels. Spb shell is the absolute best screen at the moment.
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Videos: (links to Youtube and other videos - showcasing the final xperia. Videos included within reviews are not included in this list)
Description: Xperia Testing...
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjatGzL-QRA
Notes: Very nice and really fast. Near the end she switches from landscape to portrait and it is almost instant if not exactly.
Description: A look at SE panel... Very smooth and fast!
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnnDosWiuY
Description: EMP Xperia Video 1 - Goes over the interface of Xperia via various apps. No dialogue and the video is stretched, but worth looking at.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X824_dDgms
Description: EMP Xperia Video 2 - Word, Excel, browsing, etc.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE5U-klAHw
Description: Swedish? or some other non-Enligh review. Takes you through panels - more of a quick glance - in the first vid. The second link looks at the keyboard. And the third video again looks at panels though this time using the finger rather than a stylus.
Link 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTfVYd0fwYQ
Link 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbFgJ8d4mU
Link 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24GNI-ZKB4
Notes: i'm really liking what i see...
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Description: A demonstration by Xperiancers. Though they say that it is not the final device, but is the pretty close to it - prob. with the increased RAM and all.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zal6JJn5F38
Notes: Fast. Silver looks Good! Showcases the Spb Panel as well!
Thanks to hrcro for sharing.
Description: A demonstration by Generation Phone House of Xperia.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LlrJAncJxE
Notes: "Finishes impeccable design and fun, this XPERIA X1 is a true success. The camera is effective and the presence of a 3.5 jack a real asset! The app is rather fast, only the X Panel has been a bit slow at times..."
Side-notes: Panels work pretty great in his video, but like he said the X Panel is a bit slow at times.
Description: SE Press Conference (Swedish) Videos + Unboxing
Link 1: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183954/xperia-unboxing
Link 2: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183853/m3-direktsander-xperia--lanseringen
Thanks to floordust for sharing.
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Best regards.
Thanks to Jabe for pointing out this review, which is probably the very first Xperia review - i.e. the very first review of the final Xperia device.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
(You will need to translate using Google Translators...)
The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... Furthermore, the default panels are great but lacking in functionality but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal.
Note: There is speculation that this is also a prototype model's review, and we can't confirm as the reviewer does not state it to be the final set and neither are specs, etc. detailed. Hopefully we'll see more reviews come out in the next day or so.
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
Black93300ZX said:
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
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We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
NZtechfreak said:
I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
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Cool. Please let us know when he responds.
msalmank said:
We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
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Well, I knew it wouldn't perform like the TP's keyboard (5 row to 4 row obviously) but I figured with the bigger buttons it would feel good to type on.
In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
NZtechfreak said:
In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
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Definitely... and though also goes on to say that it is hard to find keys at times and so on, but once you get used to it, it won't be any hassle. It won't match up to Touch Pro's keyboard, but i think it would be pretty good.
"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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with time and practice, we'll know.
" The keyboard is good, but we have seen better."
Thats after all the criticisms, so sounds like a final summation to me, and hence why it seems adequate.
A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
NZtechfreak said:
A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
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Thanks... hopefully we'll see more vidz soon.
Did he confirm if this is a prototype version or a final one?
I agree, the default panels are pretty basic - if you ask me - but given Xperia's hardware and the Panel SDK, there is a lot of potential over here. (thus why i am in favor of Panels over TF3D)
He has confirmed it was the final release.
Agreed on the panels front, but for now its clearly inferior to running Manilla on this phone.
Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
fuzzmo said:
Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
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I agree with what you said. Xperia's initial panels may fail to impress, but it'll boast the best hardware in the market at the moment for a WinMo device. It definitely has a lot of potential.
Furthermore Manila 2D may be something i might be looking it, but once Touch HD comes out - same resolution - there is chance of TF3D being copied over onto Xperia as well which will definitely be able to take it on with its specs.
Touch Pro is the best alternative there is to Xperia at the moment, but in my opinion Xperia is better - more RAM, customizability (panels), higher resolution, better video recording capabilities...
respider said:
not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
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I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
Pinguino1 said:
I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
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Cool! I was actually wondering about font size customizability... but since i don't know much about Windows Mobiles in depth (this'll be my first WinMo device, so you could call me a newbie) i didn't wanna sound stupid by asking...
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/product/3G/931sh/#specs
it's in japanese. but the jist of it:
3.8 inch, 1024x 480 HXGA, 3g, gps, 5.2 mpix camera with auto focus with IMAGE STABLIZER, accelerometer, and built-in TV tuner.
Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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buggybug0 said:
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/product/3G/931sh/#specs
it's in japanese. but the jist of it:
3.8 inch, 1024x 480 HXGA, 3g, gps, 5.2 mpix camera with auto focus with IMAGE STABLIZER, accelerometer, and built-in TV tuner.
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Is it even a windows mobile phone?
And if it was that good, it would have had an 8x analog zoom lens and a processor with the speed of an Atom....
Sadly these phones will never leave Asia...
mwatson said:
Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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The website did mention (at the bottom of the first of the four tabs) something about microsoft corporation registered trade mark, not sure if it was referring to the OS or something else related to media.
but umm.. you never heard of Aquos?!?!?! shame on you they are the premiere brand in LCD and LCD TV!!!!!!!!!! Sharp Aquos is like one of the top brand LCD/Plasma TV there is. Their LCD quality is second to none.. well may be Sony's up there. but you know what i mean.
samsung make all the screens though lol!
SOFTBANK 931SH from Sharp Corporation.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ACCESS-NetFront-Browser-Widgets-Empower/story.aspx?guid={6E244C97-43E9-4628-8633-FD5EA19925C0}
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=33382614#post33382614
mwatson said:
Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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You might be right, I was ripped off before buying cheap Japanese mobile from eBay and did not last 6 month before stop working.. I will not pay a penny to buy those phone, stick to the brand you know... like Htc, Sony etc..
Yeah, truly a great phone...not. Design so yesterday...and Sharp...lousiest customer service ever.
Not even close to beating the HD! No WM...LOL
Sure, it has higher resolution but software wise, no comparison...
This phone as I realized from the promotion video is targeted strictly to japanese audience...
It's SOOO japanese... I'm not worried at all, blackstone still the best
Here's another article of the phone...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/30/softbank-introduces-sharp-aquos-fulltouch-slider-with-quasi-xga/
it would be better if the sliding keyboard were horizontal instead of verticle like that. also, if it was qwerty, not number keys.
now that more information came out. it looks like it doesn't have WM. i don't feel too bad about my touch hd pre-order. but i am very very interested to see how the aquos LCD performs on that phone... at that resolution. i guess we can't have the best of both worlds. and besides dont' think it will ever make it out of japan.
mwatson said:
cheap Japanese junk gadgets
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lol just thought of something based on your comment, made in japan vs. made in china, ummm..
HD still better!
Screen size!!!, etc
This one is not WM at all!
man this thing owns itself. I would rather have no keyboard at all than that keyboard. The only big deal thing is the resolution, which is slightly higher than the HD, BIG DEAL
It's the whole package that counts
Sorry guys but I think that the HD is probably the best device we are about to see using WM since this operating system does not support resolutions greater than WVGA.WM at firrst wouldn't even support WVGA, it could only go up to VGA, and they reeeeally tried to make it work for both HD AND Xperia (yes, since SE is new to WM the whole project was made real by HTC, which of course tells us something more about the quality of HD and its superiority over SE, even though I admit that I find SE environment more usable than TF3D).
I don't really know if the resolution restriction is going to be surpassed with WM 7. If not the only area of improvement is going to be the processor (and not THAT much since huge batteries will then be a must), and the touch screen responsivness (let's admit it, iPhone may be useless as a machine but it's responsivness is just out of this world).
If you wanted to look at screen resolution alone, Japanese phones have had 854x480 "16:9 widescreen" displays for years now, with a handful of them touchscreen capable.
But everything else (no WM, Japan-only features, numeric keypad instead of qwerty keyboard, etc) only makes sense inside the Japanese cellphone market. Anywhere outside of Japan and those phones are always lackluster.
Put it differently: if people consider the iPhone and HTC's WM devices to be in two completely different markets, then Japanese phones fall under their own category, so of course there's no comparison.
Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
EAPOCS said:
Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
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HTC broke a lot of ground with the Diamond, but a lot of users have had complaints about some of the Diamond's limitations. The HD arguably picks up where the Diamond left off. Namely:
- More memory.
- MicroSD card slot (currently up to 16gb).
- Larger standard battery.
- 3.5mm headphone jack.
Other points are debatable (whether you really need 800x480, 5mp camera, etc), but they're certainly not worse than the Diamond.
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Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
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The Hype is not because it's a bigger version of the Touch Diamond, but because in the first time in many years HTC does a phone with a screen bigger than 2.8", VGA and a little more affordable. I know that HTC has even one model with 3.5" and several bigger than 3.5" but those don't count cause they are a lot bigger, heavier and a lot more expansive.
i have searched this forum n didnt find the thing i was looking for thts why im starting a new thread....
all windows mobile devices have 65k colors n not 16 million. Is this a hardware related limitation or software (winmo) n driver related or both?
if its only software n driver related than why is microsoft not updating its drivers pack in winmo 6.5? or why is tht limitation not overcome in the neo graphics drivers pack.....
if any moderator decides to close this thread please do answer my query before closing. thanks...
It's related to the HTC hardware (chipset+screen)
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It's related to the HTC hardware (chipset+screen)
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than why is htc still sticking to 65k screens while is competitors r using 16M colors... apple android n webos all have 16M colors while we r stuck on 65k screens
hispeedworm said:
than why is htc still sticking to 65k screens while is competitors r using 16M colors... apple android n webos all have 16M colors while we r stuck on 65k screens
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Erm lots of reasons:
1) Cost
2) Performance
3) Not needed
Cost is obvious, who knows what deal HTC have with the screen manufacturer.
Performance... why be shifting 24 bits of data around when you can make do with 16? this means having 24 bit images (IF you want to make the most of the capabilities) although resource files could stay at 16 bit, perfectly fine for buttons and icons etc (actually 8 bit enough for basic resources)
Not needed... this is like saying 12mp camera on a phone... so what? it's not like it's improving quality at all.
800x600 resolution cannot render 24 million colours in the first place, BUT it could manage 480K given this, 65K is probably fine. I'm not sure if the palette is 16bit or 24bit though (and this is important): if the palette is 24 bit, but the screen 16 bit, then it's not too bad at all. If the palette is just 16 bit then 95% of users could never tell the difference, but rare specific photos with a prevalence for smooth shading in one colour might show a slight difference.
It's winmo's limitation.
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It's winmo's limitation.
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^ this.
WinMo 6.1 and 6.5 can handle a max of 65.000 colors.
[email protected] said:
^ this.
WinMo 6.1 and 6.5 can handle a max of 65.000 colors.
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This is just plain wrong... 6.5 has native 24 bit support, and even without it, it's still possible to use 24 bit screens AND render in 24bit (although not for the native components in 6.1 which are limited to 16bit)
Ok as far as I'm aware all Windows Mobile OS up to WM 6.1 is limited to 65k colour!
I'm not sure if WM 6.5 can display 24 bit colour but I do know that WM 7 will handle colour upto 24 bit!!
Also not sure if some of you are aware that most of the recent windows mobile devices from HTC,LG and Samsung actualy have display that are able to display colour from 256k to 16 million but they are locked down to 65k because the limitation of the OS!
ok, than why just 65k in win 6.5 than?
because WM 6.5 it can
its not about WM
there are samsungs running wm 6.1 with 256k...
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I've read somewhere that 65k is a WM limitation (also mentioned above). As for our devices, I've read they have 262k displays but only function in 65k mode because of the OS limitation. Maybe that's the case with some competitor devices too, but they apply more aggressive marketing...
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I've read somewhere that 65k is a WM limitation (also mentioned above). As for our devices, I've read they have 262k displays but only function in 65k mode because of the OS limitation. Maybe that's the case with some competitor devices too, but they apply more aggressive marketing...
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I agree with above post 100%!!! HD has 256K screen but WM uses only 65K of it!! and the other devices which use Wm and say theyre 256K color -- theyre using only 65k of them
BTW - you cant actually tell a difference from a 65k or 16mil colr screen unless you put them side by side, but in everyday use my HD has a ideak screen with 65k, my nokia had 16mil but I mostly used black white and red on it!!!
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BTW - you cant actually tell a difference from a 65k or 16mil colr screen unless you put them side by side, but in everyday use my HD has a ideak screen with 65k, my nokia had 16mil but I mostly used black white and red on it!!!
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That's not true. Simply try a blackshaded background, like the original manilla 2,6 one. It's very easy to spot the pixels as it's something like: Grey, grey-black, black.
And not like on a 16mil screen, grey, grey-grey-greyish black etc. In other words, the ''steps'' taken are too large. A 16 million screen will definately look better.
The difference between a 262k and 16million screen however, is really difficult to discern
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That's not true. Simply try a blackshaded background, like the original manilla 2,6 one. It's very easy to spot the pixels as it's something like: Grey, grey-black, black.
And not like on a 16mil screen, grey, grey-grey-greyish black etc. In other words, the ''steps'' taken are too large. A 16 million screen will definately look better.
The difference between a 262k and 16million screen however, is really difficult to discern
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I meant in everyday use -- could you spot those dots on Blackstones WVGA screen??
who cares as long as it works!!
You're all kinda wrong.
It is, in this case, WinMo that is the limiting factor but it is not a limitation of WinMo, it is a limitation of this particular implementation.
As detailed in this article, dating back slightly more than 4 years now, the OS itself would be capable of displaying more than 65k colours if MS's OEM partners wanted to implement it - but they don't.
Intially that was due to limited resources available on mobile devices but, nowadays, it's almost certainly due to the fact that the 256k screens that they use being cheaper than 16m ones.
In the case of the HD and other current HTC handsets, there'd be no point implementing 16m colour support given that the hardware is limited to 256k so to answer the OP's question both the OS and the hardware prevent the HD from supporting 16m colours but, as detailed above, technically it would be possible if only HTC were prepared to put any effort in.
Furthermore, some people claim that it is possible to display more than 65k colours whilst running WinMo (see here) but I cannot help feeling that this cannot be correct.
even most lcd for computers are not true 24bit screens
Sorry if i posted at the wrong section
Hi guys... i saw and view the specification and it seems that HD2 is a beauty...
thats why i need comment of HD2 pros and cons.
Because trading-in X1 to HD2 still required me to pay additional SGD600 (W/out trade-in is SGD740, And its brand new). its quite a huge sum for me...
So i am here seeking HD2 user's comment about this phone before i purchase it.
I appreciate any comment related to this topic.
Thanks
P.s. If possible, hope those HD2 user mind telling me why you would want to purchase this phone. Also your feeling/thought.
Thanks again.
Oh the HD2 is brilliant.
Some would see Windows Mobile as a let down, I'd disagree. It's an easy platform to develop for, should you come across an application you can't find. The HD2's huge screen with huge resolution is brilliant for... well everything. It's hardware means you get top-performance from whatever you do. HTCs Sense UI is also just a god-send, the best mobile interface I've come across.
Anything that's 'just not right' about it will have no doubt been 'fixed' by somebody here on XDA.
oh... Does it reocrd "HD" video?
Htc.com didn't says anything about it... ;(
It's maximum recording resolution is 640x480.
RJackson said:
It's maximum recording resolution is 640x480.
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2 question to ask... Hope you know the answer
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
xxdoggyxx said:
Sorry if i posted at the wrong section
Hi guys... i saw and view the specification and it seems that HD2 is a beauty...
thats why i need comment of HD2 pros and cons.
Because trading-in X1 to HD2 still required me to pay additional SGD600 (W/out trade-in is SGD740, And its brand new). its quite a huge sum for me...
So i am here seeking HD2 user's comment about this phone before i purchase it.
I appreciate any comment related to this topic.
Thanks
P.s. If possible, hope those HD2 user mind telling me why you would want to purchase this phone. Also your feeling/thought.
Thanks again.
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Hi xxDoggyxx,
As a previous X1 owner, I did have reservations about going from a seemingly small device with a hardware keyboard to a big screened touch only device.
I can safely say, I am more than happy with the upgrade! The X1 was a good phone (had its build faults, etc) but the fluidness and ease of use, coupled with the bigger screen makes it worthwhile.
Pros:
- Bigger easier to read screen (even though I have great eyesight, sometimes I did find myself straining to see the X1 details)
- On-screen keyboard (this was a potential no-go for me) it took me less than a week to get used to it from a hardware keyboard (I had one on my last 3 handsets). The haptic feedback seems to really help, but that is an opinion based comment!
- Fluid menus - The SenseUI has actually made me take a step back from SPB's Shell (had the X1 SPB panel) and for most users, it is pretty much there. (There are a few bugs, but it is a complex system)
- Reception - phone reception has been almost double the strength of my X1 in most of the situations I've tested (one of which is my girlfriend's house, which acts like a Faradays Cage to most phones!)
- Facebook/YouTube/Twitter integration - I never really used Twitter that much, nor uploaded any photos to Facebook, but now I actually have decent programs to do it with, its changed my usage pattern totally.
- iPhone comparison - My X1 never really interested my 'iPhone fanboi' mates (I loved it) but a lot of them seem to be jealous now!
- Sat-Nav - I used my X1 all the time as a Sat-Nav device, but with the much bigger screen, the HD2 is a much superior device in this instance.
- Rave reviews - I read the best part of 20 reviews before I upgraded, and most of them only mentioned one or two bad points (pink tinge in camera - solved with update, and windows being the OS - its an opinion whether you like it or not)
Bad points:
- The bigger screen - it may be too big for some, sometimes I've noticed I need to shuffle it around my hand to get to some places, when using it with a single hand. I must admit, watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!
- Little niggles - like not being able to send images via bluetooth (via the Album) - taking a while to be able to type a text reply if you have a lot in your inbox (this is understandable as there is a lot to it!)
- Cost - but there again, when has the bleeding edge of mobile handsets even been cheap?
- Hardware issues - You may come across lots of people complaining on this forum about hardware quality, but then how many people have posted saying it is a fantastic device? Most people only 'pipe up' to complain, not to compliment. I for one are one of the latter.
Haven't really used the Camcorder app, but i'll see what I can find out.
There's 3 resolutions you can record at, VGA (640x480) being the max. They all seem to be 4:3.
Can't find any information on the FPS.
TO: RP-X1.
What does it means by: :"watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!"
sorry, my english... And: "unable to sent picture via bluetooth in the album". i understand that there is a application called album, which view your picture easily. But, i still can bluetooth songs and picture at file explorer right?
TO: RJackson.
With my knowledge of camera... LOL ... The HD2 is not "HD" it does not record "HD" video 4:3 is very very very small. if you view on a 42" LCD tv, you cannot see anything unless you stretch it. UNLESS... ... it is 4:3 @ 720fps [check with me again]
RP-X1 and RJackson, Anyway. thanks for the information... HD2 not "HD". a bit disappointed....
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TO: RP-X1.
What does it means by: :"watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!"
sorry, my english... And: "unable to sent picture via bluetooth in the album". i understand that there is a application called album, which view your picture easily. But, i still can bluetooth songs and picture at file explorer right?
RP-X1 and RJackson, Anyway. thanks for the information... HD2 not "HD". a bit disappointed....
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Hi, sorry!
DVD 'rips' are copies of DVD recordings so I can watch them on the HD2. The quality of the screen and hardware make it a pleasure to watch films on it.
Yes, you can send images and audio files via bluetooth in the File Explorer. The Album program is great for looking at pictures and videos, but they seem to have missed the bluetooth sending option out.
Unfortunately, I do agree with the HD2 not being 'HD', but there are many technical issues with HD imagery. The HD2 has a much higher resolution than most other mobile devices, so I can see where HTC have made the HD connection.
actually, not to say that HD2 "sux", but the fact that the screen is really "small". the specification says that the screen is 4.3" (WOW) but it is only 480x680? Seriously, i am very very shocked. X1 screen is smaller yet higher resolution...
If you still had the xperia at hand, mind trying one simple thing to do.
Get the same video, place it at your xperia and HD2. view both at once. does xperia looks clearer? do not compare their ratio aspect. Thanks
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actually, not to say that HD2 "sux", but the fact that the screen is really "small". the specification says that the screen is 4.3" (WOW) but it is only 480x680? Seriously, i am very very shocked. X1 screen is smaller yet higher resolution...
If you still had the xperia at hand, mind trying one simple thing to do.
Get the same video, place it at your xperia and HD2. view both at once. does xperia looks clearer? do not compare their ratio aspect. Thanks
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They are the same resolution, 800 x 480.
The bigger screen makes things a lot easier to navigate (no need for stylus) and you don't need to struggle to watch things on it (some videos I played on the X1 were hard to watch, especially dark ones).
I can't deny there will be a 'quality' difference as the pixels will be bigger, but you don't notice the images going 'blocky' when viewing on an HD2, well I don't anyway.
I find it easier and more comfortable to watch videos on the HD2, for others they may prefer a smaller screen.
No, you don't understand.
The screen is 800x480, de facto it is the maximum for WinMo, as on your Xperia.
But the video recording is 640x480.
The screen is beautiful and huge, so don't worry about that part.
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Hi xxDoggyxx,
As a previous X1 owner, I did have reservations about going from a seemingly small device with a hardware keyboard to a big screened touch only device.
I can safely say, I am more than happy with the upgrade! The X1 was a good phone (had its build faults, etc) but the fluidness and ease of use, coupled with the bigger screen makes it worthwhile.
Pros:
- Bigger easier to read screen (even though I have great eyesight, sometimes I did find myself straining to see the X1 details)
- On-screen keyboard (this was a potential no-go for me) it took me less than a week to get used to it from a hardware keyboard (I had one on my last 3 handsets). The haptic feedback seems to really help, but that is an opinion based comment!
- Fluid menus - The SenseUI has actually made me take a step back from SPB's Shell (had the X1 SPB panel) and for most users, it is pretty much there. (There are a few bugs, but it is a complex system)
- Reception - phone reception has been almost double the strength of my X1 in most of the situations I've tested (one of which is my girlfriend's house, which acts like a Faradays Cage to most phones!)
- Facebook/YouTube/Twitter integration - I never really used Twitter that much, nor uploaded any photos to Facebook, but now I actually have decent programs to do it with, its changed my usage pattern totally.
- iPhone comparison - My X1 never really interested my 'iPhone fanboi' mates (I loved it) but a lot of them seem to be jealous now!
- Sat-Nav - I used my X1 all the time as a Sat-Nav device, but with the much bigger screen, the HD2 is a much superior device in this instance.
- Rave reviews - I read the best part of 20 reviews before I upgraded, and most of them only mentioned one or two bad points (pink tinge in camera - solved with update, and windows being the OS - its an opinion whether you like it or not)
Bad points:
- The bigger screen - it may be too big for some, sometimes I've noticed I need to shuffle it around my hand to get to some places, when using it with a single hand. I must admit, watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!
- Little niggles - like not being able to send images via bluetooth (via the Album) - taking a while to be able to type a text reply if you have a lot in your inbox (this is understandable as there is a lot to it!)
- Cost - but there again, when has the bleeding edge of mobile handsets even been cheap?
- Hardware issues - You may come across lots of people complaining on this forum about hardware quality, but then how many people have posted saying it is a fantastic device? Most people only 'pipe up' to complain, not to compliment. I for one are one of the latter.
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Best response imho... I also moved from the X1 to the HD2 and just dont regret it at all... I agree with all the things said by Rp-X1 above, but would also point out that the lack of a hardware keyboard was my biggest worry as I do a lot of typing on my phone and after almost a week I am so used to the HD2 on screen keyboard (using touchpal so I can also type in Chinese) its just awesome... HD2 is better than the X1 in nearly all respects I can think of at the moment... with more playing I expect it to only get better...
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2 question to ask... Hope you know the answer
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
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no hd2 resolution is 480 x 800 not 640x480 and here is it"s full specifications in this link
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
I switched from an X1 to a Touch HD to an HD2 ...
The X1 was a nice device, but the rather small screen (compared to the other 2 devices) and rather slow performance was the reason to switch to the Touch HD. I have to say it was a very good decision. The whole usability changes with the bigger screen - although it wasn't much faster ... But than the HD2 was announced and I sold my Touch HD. And what can I say: With the HD2 I finally got the perfect device. It feels like a whole device, not tinkered like the X1 or Touch HD - BUT you still have the ability to customize it like X1 or Touch HD. The whole TouchFLO (Sense/Manila - w/e you want to cal it) makes much more sense with the HD2 and the nice speed and stability.
However, there are some downside too ... My HD2 has dust under the screen, other users experience problems with their touchscreen responsiveness and so on ... check the forum for those problems.
I can only agree to all the pros already mentioned about the HD2 vs. Xperia X1.
The HD2 outperforms the Xperia X1 by all meanings.
The only thing you might miss is the hardware keyboard.
However, for me personally, the full power of HD2 was only unleashed thanks
to the Custom ROMs which you can get here in the forum. They complete the
device to a degree which one would love to see out of the box.
Thanks to the community here, I was already able to upgrade my Xperia X1
with the HTC Manila user interface; upgrading to the HD2 was a kind of the
logical next step for me. I don´t regret that purchase for any second.
Whenever I grab my still existing Xperia X1 (or any other device, for that
matter) to compare, I can see and feel a difference like day and night.
At the end of the day, it is always an individual decision to purchase anything.
It is always a mandatory step to touch and feel the product(s) of your choice
at a dealer - whatever other users say may not apply to you.
Thanks for all the comment... Perhaps I will get HD2 by next week. Already sold my x1 Lol.
Btw, whats in the box of HD2? I don't want to get scam by the shop. Thanks
also moved from X1 to HD2..
no disappointment at all!!
great device.. btw.. I still got my X1.. when I use it again my X1 feels soooo slow
xxdoggyxx said:
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
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x1 display is 800x480
hd2 display is 800x480
x1 can record 640x480 , 640x400(wide) and smaller
hd2 can record 640x480 , and other smaller 4:3 sizes
thanks for the answers. I'm currently also considering a switch from the x1 to the hd2.
Did you (or could you pls) try out if the headphones with the integrated microphone also work on the hd2?
Thanks!
Hi everybody..
I have been considering buying this wonderful device but during my looking into the specifications I noticed this new strange resolution 320x480 HVGA which is the first time for me to come across this type of screen!
My question is, after your experience with this device, have you encountered any problems which are due to this specific type of screen? either on the level of program compatibility, which is most important, or any other problems?
The device is just the hit for me but this screen thing is holding my hand
Thank you in advance..
Yes, of course, some applications do not run, especially alternative keyboards such SlideIT.
Nevertheless most of them work just fine.
If you use specific legacy application, post a question on this forum to know if it works or if there are some alternative ones.
For example, I used in the past TomTom Collins French english dictionnary. This worked well on Diamond, but no way on HD mini. I had to change to slovoed that work fine, even if I like less the UI.
Thank you for your reply..
It's good news that MOST of the applications have no problem running on this device
Ok - of course there are many applications I want to make sure of before buying but some are essential and some are not so I'll ask about some programs that are of importance to me:
1) iGo for navigation
2) Navigon
3) Mobipocket Reader << this is the most important program in my Diamond right now so it has to work properly
No answer!
Have some patience!
iGO8- there are 2 threads on this, and there are ways to get it to work
Navigon: No idea
Mobipocket: No problem at all here- one of my most used programs!
Thank you NeilM
Well, so far so good, but need to make sure of other programs which I might mention here to make sure they work..
I just don't get it, why would HTC use such a screen? Is there any specialty that I should know about? Why not just use a WVGA or at least a normal VGA if that'll cost them much
Pardon me for my ignorance I have my history with PPCs but lately I wasn't up-to-date with the new ones
I think it is market economics. A number of Android devices also use HVGA so the same basic screen can be used across a range of phones.
Also WVGA and HVGA are both widescreen format which suits current usage patterns of video etc.
A less power hungry screen is a definite advantage in a smaller device. I don' t find the display any less usable than my HD2 in normal use, though I did need to use a registry editor to enable Cleartype, without which text is very poor; for some reason O2 have disabled the control panel for this.
NeilM said:
I think it is market economics
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The rule says: NEVER produce a perfect device << well, maybe it's not a disadvantage to have this screen but temporarily with the compatibility issues, it's really annoying!
Ok, I want to ask you as a user of HD MINI, how do you find the screen in terms of clarity, brightness, accuracy? How do you compare it with the Diamond's << I love that screen - I mean I understand the MINI is 3.2 inch whereas the Diamond is 2.8 inch so does this H in HVGA has a noticeable effect on the screen compared to its size?
Thank you for the information
As a previous Diamond user I have to say for me the HD Mini is much better. Obviously it is capacitive/multi touch which makes it very different in use, but the extra size makes a big difference.
OK, maybe icons and graphics are a little less definitive at the edges but it doesn't affect everyday use.
Personally I think VGA on a very small screen is pointless as text can be too small to read and web pages are very small, so HVGA is an improvement.
It seems that will be the new trend on Windows phone 7 and ohter phones (android, Iphone).
HVGA for small and WVGA for big screens. It is effectively strange, because it is even not the same aspect ratio.
NeilM,
Of course it's better if you look at it this way; capactive/multi-touch screen, but if you look at the other side which is the definition, you'll find that:
HD MINI: 480x320 + bigger screen = less picture quality
Diamond: 480x640 + smaller screen = more picture quality
Theoretically, I prefer having smaller screen with better definition rather than bigger one with worse definition, but I wouldn't base my decision now without testing it in reality - maybe I'll like it!
And as you said before that you use mobipocket, you need bigger screen and you'll sacrifice the quality for that, but, me, the cleartype matters alot to me
Honestly, I see a screen with the size 3.2 inch as the best typical size for me, but, more importantly, it should have a suitable definition too
Again, H in HVGA stands for what?! I don't think it's for "high"
moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
- H : I suppose is for Half 320 instead on 640
- I used Diamond for two years, and I prefer HD mini screen, the smaller resolution is not really an issue, but the bigger screen is really more confortable. In addition it runs a lot faster and all the things are more reactive, especitially for phone functions. The sound is better as well.
- Just a remark vs Diamond, HD mini do not have front camera anymore. For me is not an issue but it could be.
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moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
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I hope you're right, but most of companies are trying to standardise anything... screen resolution as well. What I do not understand, is why they choose two resolution with diferent aspect ratio. With same aspect ratio it would be simpler to disign software apps.
Yes- HVGA is Half VGA, ie 480*320
The aspect ratio of VGA and QVGA is 4:3, which is the standard 'square screen' ratio
WVGA and HVGA are 15:9 and 15:10 respectively which are near enough both the standard widescreen resolution.
There is no doubt that both increasing the screen size and decreasing the resolution should have an adverse effect on overall resolution, but my experience of the HD Mini is thta this is mitigated by the better overall quality of the screen, regardless of resolution.
Maybe if I were 20 years younger with perfect eyesight, I might have a different view!
The effect on device responsiveness using a lower resolution is marked though: 600MHz running HVGA is much faster than 524MHz running VGA ! Going back to the Diamond makes it feel so sluggish and unresponsive compared to the HD Mini and HD2.
Not happy with the HTC HD Mini
Just a quick feedback since I am playing around with a HTC HD Mini for a while now. Its my Girlfriends and has a broken screen so I get the chance play around until I replaced the screen. My personal experience is that this device is "horrible". Bad quality screen (I used it also before it had a broken screen ), compatibility is very limited (Custom stuff like XDA Mods not as much bought Apps) further more the Touch sensitve buttons are horrible to accidentaly hit them. Maybe I am just spoiled with the HD2 but I feel there are allot of trade-off's for the smaller form factor. But the worst thing all the nice XDA stuff will probaly never support this resolution since its preaty much the only device with it. (Windows Mobile atleast) Tried Cookie and MaxSense Mod on the HTC Mini without luck. Resolution problems.
PS: Anyone ever found disassembly instructions for the HTC HD Mini? I can find it for any other phone but not the HD Mini. There were just not enough sold to pros. I guess a good phone for Woman and iPhone users.
Encountered very few problems with this resolution. Especially for the newer free apps. Problems arises only in some old apps which either support only QVGA or VGA. But most certainly, you won't want to install such old apps in this shiny new colorful gadget.
For me, the Sense improvements to the UI, and WinMo 6.5.3's own improvements have eliminated my dependent on many of the old apps. I ended up installing less apps. Mostly new one i found reading thru the forums here.
Most of the only old apps i had to carry over from my old WinMo 6.1 are the dictionaries and translators. One of my favorite translators, HNHSoft Eng-Chn Dict, works poorly with HVGA resolution. Nevertheless, still usable. Fortunately, another from my old collection, WM-DICT 2.0, which worked poorly in 6.1 QVGA, turns out to be a great performer in 6.5.3 HVGA. So in reality, i lose one and win one, makes like i didn't lose anything at all.
I'd agree on the compatibility- almost all programs I've tried work fine. The only exceptions are TouchPal keyboard and 1-2 Remote.
1-2 Remote was poor on the HD2 as well as it's designed for QVGA and the skins are not optimised for other resolutions.
WM6.5.3 in its native form here, plus the current version of HTC Sense is a lot more stable than the native WM6.5 on the HD2 and any of the custom ROMs.
If you correctly tweak the screen (enabling Cleartype) it is very good indeed- can't understand the comment about it being poor- maybe it was faulty from the start if it failed later?
Having come from both a Diamond and HD2 I'm very satisfied with the HD Mini though I do find the screen 'touch' accuracy including the 'touch' buttons to need some getting used to. Switching the 'Touch Input' to 'Compact QUERTY' makes typing very much easier with XT9 turned on