On the iphone everybody can install 3rd party apps and they can install which bashband version they want. the G1 that should be open source can change the rc30 version to all the people that get the update OTA. i dont understand that.
I think that the G1 is inherently MORE open out of the box than an iPhone. While it is possible to jailbreak an iphone and install 3rd party apps (Not taking into account the app store). It isn't something you'd be able to do without the jailbreak plus you have to repeat the process after any update.
A factory G1 is capable of installing 3rd party apps without any modification, also those apps have greater access to the internal workings of the phone, (again I'm talking about an out of the box iPhone versus an out of the box G1).
The whole root situation is an interesting one, I believe that is a bit naughty to not allow root access without tinkering, but I also understand that the majority of end users will not be that bothered by it.
As for openness, I would say that the iPhone and G1 are on an equal footing once modified but the G1 has the clear lead over the iPhone unmodified.
i dont agree with you. with my iphone out of teh box without jailbreak i can download apps over the app store exctly like the G1 from the google market.
Okay then, try downloading an app from a website and install it without using the appstore. I can do that via my G1. Also try developing an app and install it on your friends iPhone without having to submit it to anyone for pre-approval.
all i need is hebrew support in the iphone i have it for 2 diffrent company in the G1 i dont have it couse i have RC30 OTA. and not the moddified.
It isn't very clear what you're talking about here my friend, are you saying you already have hebrew support on your iPhone or that you want it? Or are you talking about the G1 having different language support?
If you're talking about the G1 then there is currently a few different projects working on different language versions of android. I believe that google are working on one and that there is a project on this very board attempting to do the same.
in the iphone there is a hebrew support on software. in the G1 i cant do nothing to read only hebrew (if it read and write hebrew its will be my dream).
If what you want is hebrew support, it's coming. Actually it's here right now, but you need root to do it.
Anyways you can't compare the two in that respect, there are over 7 million iPhones out there (it's the second most popular phone) so of course there's hebrew support. And if I recall, there wasn't for a while.
On a last note, you can't out-of-the-box use your Iphone in israel, it had to be reverse-engineered. You can of course buy an unlocked G1 for $300 that will work with an Orange SIM.
The iPhone is NOT open, it's not OPEN SOURCE, and it is way more locked down. If the G1 had had even half the popularity the iPhone had then there would be out-of-the-box hebrew support.
if you have root, you may be able to get hebrew via root on your G1:
http://www.talkandroid.com/android-forums/android-chat/660-hebrew-fonts-g1.html
Hag Sameach, by the way.
thanks for all but the problem is that i dont have root. i have rc30.
Yes I understand... my wife and I both need root, not just for hebrew support but for all the cool functions that it allows.
Anyways fear not, things will change soon. There's a huge OTA update coming out early next year, hopefully they will address some of these issues as well.
Remember, tel aviv is one of the major android development locations; so I can almost guarantee hebrew fonts sometime next year. At least, that's what I've heard from everyone I've spoken to about it.
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On the iphone everybody can install 3rd party apps and they can install which bashband version they want. the G1 that should be open source can change the rc30 version to all the people that get the update OTA. i dont understand that.
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stop crying and stick to your iphone , the phone isnt made to cater to everyones needs, thats why its so many different phones and carriers, go buy one that meets your needs out of the box you idoit!!!!!!!
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stop crying and stick to your iphone , the phone isnt made to cater to everyones needs, thats why its so many different phones and carriers, go buy one that meets your needs out of the box you idoit!!!!!!!
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wow xda really lower to this? come on ppl
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wow xda really lower to this? come on ppl
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Its usually a junior member, the G1 seems to have brought some riff raff to the forums.
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On the iphone everybody can install 3rd party apps and they can install which bashband version they want. the G1 that should be open source can change the rc30 version to all the people that get the update OTA. i dont understand that.
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I agree with you, at the moment. The gphone is currently as usable as the iphone at the time when it was out for 3 month. Not so much apps, mods,... you know.
I hope there will come a bypass or anything like that soon.
In my opinion signed updates violates against the opensource license.
PS: i ordered both gphone and iphone
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In my opinion signed updates violates against the opensource license.
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I think this forum needs a sticky explaining what open source means and implies because not a single day goes by that I don't see someone erroneously invoking the "but it's open source!" argument.
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I think this forum needs a sticky explaining what open source means and implies because not a single day goes by that I don't see someone erroneously invoking the "but it's open source!" argument.
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Quite true. Here are some good resources:
http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
Also a reminder that while Android is open, the G1 is not Android.
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I think this forum needs a sticky explaining what open source means and implies because not a single day goes by that I don't see someone erroneously invoking the "but it's open source!" argument.
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Also a reminder that while Android is open, the G1 is not Android.
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I wish this forum could give some kind of star-ranking to helpful and knowledgeable members. It's rare to find people here who understand what free-and-open-source means.
The way T-Mobile has chosen to cripple the G1 for users who weren't quick enough to keep root is ethically reprehensible, but not legally wrong or in violation of any licensing.
ahhhh
Already beaten to death here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461893
and locked by Neoobs. Maybe we can get the same joy here.
--M
If anyone can prove that this discussion isn't leaning more and more to a useless discussion getting out of hand and is actually about developing or fixing issues on the G1 and it should not belong to be in the general thread.
Please don't hesitate to inform me.
In the mean time this thread is is closed and moved.
People might not like me for repeating this But Development threads are for development, and actually most of XDA is for Development.
If the forum would be filled with "I Think G1 is not delivering what it promised" there would probably not be Android running on other HTC phones besides the G1.
There are threads for Chit Chat and even then it would be nice if the discussion is respectful.
Related
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/24/google-hits-android-rom-modder-with-a-cease-and-desist-letter/
So this is interesting: apparently Google's hit the developer of the Cyanogen modded Android ROM with a cease-and-desist letter, asking him to stop distributing the closed-source Google apps like Gmail, Maps, and YouTube. What's a little strange is that Cyanogen is targeted at "Google Experience" devices like the G1 and myTouch, so it's not like Google is really protecting anything here -- leading us to wonder if they're just using the copyright argument to shut down a popular mod that's tempted over 30,000 users into rooting their phones.
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I sure am dissapointed in google right now.
Is Google turning into Microsoft? WTF! Cyanogen has done nothing but help make a lot of people into Android fanatics. What happened to the idea behind open source? I for one am behind Cyanogen 100%, in any way I can help.
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What happened to the idea behind open source?
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the problem is that he is distributing closed source applications. ie. you tube, gmail etc.
if you read the story here... http://androidandme.com/2009/09/hacks/cyanogenmod-in-trouble/
it makes more sense.
[20:20] <cyanogen> no they are talking specifically about the closed-source google apps
[20:20] <cyanogen> and how i am not licensed to distribute them
[20:20] <cyanogen> my argument is that i only develop for google-experience devices which are already licensed for these apps
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Is is just me or is http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ down?
And now his site is down
I hope he continues modding - he can always do it without the close source apps and leave it to us to acquire them on our own.
his site isn't down Ive been on it today. I think it's picking up publicity traffic now so its a bit slow. Hopes this gets sorted out.
Good for him. (the publicity traffic that is)
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his site isn't down Ive been on it today. I think it's picking up publicity traffic now so its a bit slow. Hopes this gets sorted out.
Good for him. (the publicity traffic that is)
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Sure enough, I can access it again.
All respect and support to Cyanogen.
If the issue is really about those proprietory apps, then I'd just remove them, and keep going!
Big props @Cyan
I was on his irc channel last night, and he was apparently already talking to people about substituting for open source apps....
Let`s hope so!!
I just downloaded Save Cyanogen from the market and signed a petition.
I'd just assume he replace the closed source apps with Open ones and drop Gmail all together, I don't have any much use or trust them anyway.
Go go gadget hotmail calendering, contacts
Stop knocking him and employe him!
Come on Google make use of the talents of some of these developers, personally I find his work more stable than my Vodafone rom
Official Google statement
Code:
http://bit.ly/1YFWlA
anyone know where I can download cyanogen?
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/downloads/stable-rom says not found.
never mind... found it with google
I just don't understand the main reason that google is going after cyanogen for. Currently right now there are the HTC devices and Google branded devices that can run this software. So while cyanogen himself don't have the license to distribute the software it is being installed on devices that would have the software on it anyway. I would also argue if this is the problem for Google they should provide a way for end users to download these needed applications directly without needing to go back to a main rom. Is the contacts sync which syncs to google proprietary? That would be something that really can't being taken out of the OS i don't think. I just believe that Google is being unreasonable and at the same time shooting themselves in the foot with this action.
ive read in a couple of places that this is the end of android. Thats the dumbest thing ive ever read. And ive read a lot of really dumb stuff
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ive read in a couple of places that this is the end of android. Thats the dumbest thing ive ever read. And ive read a lot of really dumb stuff
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That is dumb, its not great, but hardly the end. Just means its pushed underground, which doesn't help the devs, users or Google
Of course it's not the end of Android, but it surely will have a huge impact on the platform. Google just killed a great chunk of community and things will never be the same again.
It's probably Google's way of seeing what would happen if they pushed. Kind of a "test the waters" thing. Sad to see it go this way. I had high hopes for Android but all that glitters......
heres from the dream forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4615831#post4615831
Few things about the Android as background;
1) Android is open source and is enough to run a device on its own.
1a) People will argue that it isn't, that proprietary binaries are required. This is a *hardware dependent* argument. Blame HTC for having proprietary closed source binaries. 'Droid works fine on an openmoko using all open source software. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android
2) Not all of what is on your phone is actually part of AOSP, i.e. *market*, *gmail*, etc.
3) Open and closed source components can exist in the same system without conflict.
4) Any particular organization can develop BOTH open AND closed source components, and these can, in fact, exist in the same system without conflict.
The situation:
Cyanogen has been issued a cease and desist order by Google related to inclusion of closed source Google apps in "CyanogenMod ROMs".
The legal situation: These closed source apps are not licensed to Cyanogen for redistribution. Google does have the legal right to restrict distribution of said apps.
Why now: The most obvious recent change that could have prompted this order to happen now is the inclusion of the as-of-yet unreleased MARKET app. This market app, being unreleased, is in an unknown state. This app may not be finished testing, i.e., it may be quite buggy, to the point where it could do all kinds of nasty things, like MULTIPLE-CHARGING of customer's when they buy paid apps, releasing payment and/or account information to unauthorized targets, failure to put secure apps into secure locations or other vulnerability allowing easy copying of protected apps, OR OTHER vulnerabilities. That being the case, Google may be *WORRIED ABOUT POTENTIAL PROBLEMS* in the new market app (rightly, as it may not have completed testing and/or may have KNOWN issues).
Why the order against *all* closed-source apps: This is simple. How can they order the removal of *just one*? If they order the removal of *just* the new market app, the legal implication is that the other closed source apps *can* be redistributed, i.e. precedence is 9/10ths of the law -- they would be closing the door on the enforcement of those apps in the future, i.e., for security reasons since regarding the closed source apps, Google is legally liable for their correct function.
So would the ignorant people talking about how evil Google is for doing this, PLEASE STOP spewing your mouths off regarding things that YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND? You're not helping anybody.
EVERYONE should read this.
I will admit, this post made me re-think what is really going on. He is just the first to get a finger shook at him, the rest will follow unless the developers and Google get stuff squared away.
i still think google is acting like asswholes though.
I do to but thank you for looking at things clearly unlike alot of other people inlcuding my self at first but once i started thinking about the new market i understood google
Just curious here but can an open source app be developed to access Market? Or are the codes for accessing Market closed?
Makes sense now, Google Just don't want to be responsible for something like customer's info being stolen.. and have the masses calling or infront of their door with pitch forks inhand,,
Then,
Why didn't Google say this?
Instead, they patronize and belittle the community.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4609612&postcount=3
I don't mean to attack the OP with this post.
It's just a question.
Most likely because they are a dev or a lawyer. They just don't like speaking English. They have to say it all complicated and then have someone else translate it for them.
i think that this is from a stupid lawyer team, and google just sent it for legal reasons, i think the dev team has nothing to do with this.... isnt this why the created android, to have an open source platform.... i think Cyanogen and google just need to come to a compromise, either that or we just dont use googles apps even though half of them have better counterparts in the market
i do know this, the law is the law. Is the law always perfect, hell no. Cyanogen did no wrong. He helped out every single one of us running an android powered phone.
Could something wrong happen with an experimental build? Ofcourse. That is why he has his own disclaimer. If you are smart enough to root your phone, you should be smart enough to realize potential dangers in running leaked and/or experimental code.
Google is being a douchebag for their actions. Htc doesnt issue cease and desist orders for all of you running hero and that directly involves their sales in their phones. How many windows mobile roms are on this xda forum? How many have been ordered by microsoft to stop distributing their work?
To me it is ridiculous google is doing this. I know they are legally right but that doesnt mean they should screw us early adopters of their software with lame and slow updates and a product that is obviously inferior to the coding and development of one man with the help of a few others.
The reason i bought my g1 instead of an iphone or windows mobile phone was because of this community. Now all of us have had the benefits of cyanogen in one way or another. I dont want to be a douchebag as well and not speak up for a man who has helped me out when he had no reason to do so
honestly cyanogen would have probably been fine had he left the new market out. fact is our phones came with the old version and thats what we payed for when we got them. if say on the g1 t-mobile decides not to offer and upgrade to 1.6 then that means there not going to pay google to have the new app on our phones so if we hack it and throw it on anyway then google doesnt make there money and we are in every way STEELING IT. if you worked for and got payed by google i bet it would upset you if people were steeling your product that you worked hard to create.
so do i agree they should force him to rethink some of his newer roms? yes
but i think the older ones that just have software our phones already came with should be left alone
AND i think we should be aloud to purchase the new software from google if we want it.
but google search google maps and all that crap has nothing to do with this as you can get them all FREE online this is probably 99% the new app being on peoples phones that didnt pay for it. you bought the original market when you bought your phone thats why google hasnt had a problem untill now.
everything set aside i love cyanogens work i love my 4.0.4.... i HAVE 4.1.11.1 saved i will probably even install it just to check it out if he doesnt come out with a stable version which is what i was waiting for. but if he comes out with a non google stable version i have no problem installing my old market onto it, i already have it backed up and ready to go. i payed for it and im keeping it no matter what rom i run! and i hope he keeps doing his thing im all for him and love what he does and would even pay for it if i had to! i hope this doesnt stop him and i hope they work things out. if he wants money for all the work hes been doing im sure people wont blame him and as long as it gives him insintive to keep going im happy!
my two cents
cy has been perfecting their roms and now that they got the tools that they need they are going to plagerize his programming and impliment it into their next great g phone....and the only way to say its theirs is by getting rid of any shred of evid that is out there
i understand what Google is doing..its upsetting but they have a point, they gave us an OPEN SOURCE OS, thats good enough, the devs make it a better, more fun, experience...so just shrug it off, rid it of ALL closed source apps.
Google should than allow the All Google apps available to those with Google Experience phones(before customizing with a ROM), they could make you register with your phones EMEI (maybe? if possible).
Also so this obviously means his ROMs arent here on XDA...What is XDAs stand on the situation? Were they pulled by XDA or did Cyanogen pull them?
I don't know if this has been suggested before. I've seen dev-team on iphone doing something similar: why don't you make an "installer" script that takes all Google APKs from the device (which has stock image) then flash the rom and reinstall the APKs.. This way you don't have to distribute google apks. Not sure if that's possible if there is some kind of encryption protection on Google apps, just a suggestion .
No matter what it was a mountain made out of a mole hill.
id just like to see google allow open access to their market place.
then put all closed source google apps on there for download just like any other apps.
However from what I understand its not as simple as this as they arent just apps there is a whole framework that goes with it. bah.
MS never sent a takedown notice
MS never sent a takedown notice to xda-developers.
Ready.........Fight!
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Google&word2=Cyanogen
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MS never sent a takedown notice to xda-developers.
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That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard;
1) xda doesn't host any wimo roms.
2) xda doesn't develop any roms at all -- that is up to the individual who does so.
3) How the hell would you know? MS probably did some real *****y stuff like sending goons to the modder's home, harassing the modder's wives, and issuing threats like "stop doing this, don't tell anybody we threatened you, and pay up $10,000 or we're taking you to court over it".
or the lack of it.
I see Google employees posting on google forum, but all of them dont even answer the real questions. In fact I've notice that they bump up the threads where people (or maybe the same google employees) write how they love their N1 and how its so much better then iPhone.........
WTF ???
notice the first person who responded
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=0a5521b9ffa4c7a7&hl=en
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=6c7fd11a4225cbb5&hl=en
just go to HTC if your having phone issues, and Tmobile if your having network issues. Think of Google as a retailer. for the most part phone, or warranty issues will be handled by the manufacturer, and network, by the network.
^ +1
Google will likely expand their support if they want to continue selling directly to the public. I think they underestimated mob mentality with the logic that HTC would support the phone, and the carrier would support the services. However, this is like Microsoft selling you a computer directly (via a hardware partner). There's a knowledge base and multiple forums support venue's and while Google lacks a phone number to call, and Microsoft has this, MS will also bill you for your phone support request.
Apple works a bit differently, they build the hardware in house and support it directly. They've also been doing this for years so the structure is in place already. Google doesn't want to build hardware, they just wanted to get phones out without being as reliant on the hardware makers to push updates to the handsets released (combating the stagnation of the current phones).
Wow, someone get's around
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Wow, someone get's around
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A hard reset will probably solve that.
HTC Provides support for the Nexus One. http://www.htc.com/www/support/nexusone/.
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HTC Provides support for the Nexus One. http://www.htc.com/www/support/nexusone/.
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If you take another look at the links on the site you posted, all the help links link to Google's N1 "help" forum. HTC is not providing help for the N1 and from what I've seen, neither is Google. That's why I will flash Cyan's ROM when he releases one and will use XDA for support as I've always done (even when I used WinMo). LOL.
In SE official support thread, I,and several other users, pestered one of SE support staff, asking if they would help us root the phone, to which the answer was no. Another user then asked, will SE actively try to prevent root, to which they also answered "no". What ius the opinion of the board as to whether we can trust them?
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In SE official support thread, I,and several other users, pestered one of SE support staff, asking if they would help us root the phone, to which the answer was no. Another user then asked, will SE actively try to prevent root, to which they also answered "no". What ius the opinion of the board as to whether we can trust them?
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A link to the seconde "no" post ?
Vilam said:
A link to the seconde "no" post ?
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what he said
Vilam said:
A link to the seconde "no" post ?
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I knew I should've bookmarked that response... searching... Man SE forums don't make linking to a specific post that easy. OK, here we are.
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/1910#1910
For reference, my question:
saltorio on talk.sonyericsson.com said:
Jeff:
Before we all get up in arms, lets make sure we understand you correctly. By "There are no plans to allow root access on the the Xperia™ X10.", do you mean that SE will actively do what they can to prevent users from achieving root access, or do you simply mean that SE will not put in any efforts to simplify the process for users?
If the latter, I think most of us can understand.
However, if it's the former I think SE is really out-of-touch with the Android community and the concept of an "open" system. Couple such a decision with the mis-information about the X10 that was released by SE itself prior to it's release in regards to multi-touch support, the decision to release the X10 with the already out-dated Android 1.6, and then the decision to offer an upgrade to 2.1 at the end of the year, nearly 6 months after the release of 2.2, and it's looking completely like SE really doesn't care about it's customers.
The X10 hardware is pretty good (though the aforementioned lack of multi-touch is still a bad decision). However, the software requires alot of work. The X10 has been plagued by poor battery performance that appears to be the result of bad coding in the Home app, and Timescape is slow and buggy. The OS (as mentioned) is out-dated, and falling further behind, and SE's commitments to address these issues seem far-sighted and as not being enough.
If SE want's their sales to thrive, they need to address the issues with the X10's software. Since you don't seem to be in any rush to do so, what is the issue with allowing the community to do it for you?
Rumor has it SE has more Android handsets in the works. If you want sales of these devices, you'd better embrace your customers. As no amount of positive reviews (of which those for the X10 were mostly only luke-warm) will save a brand hampered by widespread customer satisfaction published all over the web.
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And Jeff's (from SE) response:
Jeff on talk.sonyericsson.com said:
Hi,
Just a quick reply to say "SE will not put in any efforts to simplify the process for users" is correct.
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The problem I see with SE's position, is that they could easily patch the exploit that the rooters have used, claiming it's a security flaw that required a fix. They then kill the root while being able to claim Jeff wasn't lying as they're looking out for their customer's best interests by fixing security holes.
Has there been EVER a manufacturer that supports root?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page supprts root
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HTC and Google with their nexus one.
i wouldnt believe anything a cs agent/forum agent says to be honest. Its probably a correct answer as far as he knows for now but unfortunately it wont be anything to do with him whether SE patch it or not.
Its the same with the update. People believing what they twitter. The front end people in these companies are always the last to know whats going on and the first to get asked by their customers.
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HTC and Google with their nexus one.
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No, it is a Google branded phone. So, Google wants you to play with it.
I haven't seen HTC do it.
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Nokia N900
I wouldn't be too surprised if SE didn't patch the "root hole". The decision to lock the root so securely (as I understand) wasn't so much to curb piracy or to completely lock down the phone, but more as a safety device for the many people who don't have the technical knowledge that we see here on XDA.
SE were getting many phones returned because it was all too easy to brick the phone by attempting to install roms/updates which were either not designed for the device or otherwise having access to the filesystem - it's not quite like the situation with, for example, the PSP; where holes are being patched as they are found with newer firmwares, to try and stem the rampant piracy problem on that platform.
SE have no vested interest in the sale of software on the X10, nor in spending time and resources plugging holes in the security of root on their phones.
I think it's enough for SE that acheiving root is relatively technical, and that not too many users will be trying it - and also those users will probably be quite happy to be trawling forums for a fix rather than sending their device straight off to SE.
This is of course all conjecture - they might chase root holes and close them down on each and every exploit. But I doubt it.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if SE didn't patch the "root hole". The decision to lock the root so securely (as I understand) wasn't so much to curb piracy or to completely lock down the phone, but more as a safety device for the many people who don't have the technical knowledge that we see here on XDA.
SE were getting many phones returned because it was all too easy to brick the phone by attempting to install roms/updates which were either not designed for the device or otherwise having access to the filesystem - it's not quite like the situation with, for example, the PSP; where holes are being patched as they are found with newer firmwares, to try and stem the rampant piracy problem on that platform.
SE have no vested interest in the sale of software on the X10, nor in spending time and resources plugging holes in the security of root on their phones.
I think it's enough for SE that acheiving root is relatively technical, and that not too many users will be trying it - and also those users will probably be quite happy to be trawling forums for a fix rather than sending their device straight off to SE.
This is of course all conjecture - they might chase root holes and close them down on each and every exploit. But I doubt it.
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I really want that to be true, and judging from the people I know in the development department of SE's mobile division it sounds like achieving root is almost considered an accolade.
The bit about making it hard to flash unsigned stuff to minimise the risk of people flashing random [email protected] to their phones makes good sense.
I just happened to read an article over at pocket now:
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-on-hacked-windows-phone-7-and-live-services
titled: Microsoft On Hacked Windows Phone 7 And Live Services
in their vain search for headline news it seems pocketnow made it a part of their duty to have Microsoft look into us getting Live ID keys for our HD2s running Windows Phone 7. Now Microsoft is saying their going to take a hard look into this pratice. who knows what is going to happen if Microsoft is going to ban the issued keys
by the amount of mad faces you can tell i'm pissed.
wether Microsoft new about what was going on or not, pocketnow just amplified the issue.
It was strange that Pocketnow chose to push Microsoft on the issue. Microsoft seemed to be (deliberately?) ignoring the HD2-WP7 key issue. Pocketnow is just forcing them to take a position - which helps noone (except Pocketnow).
I imagine that Microsoft wont be too active in pursuing our phones. They will probably just put in place a policy to restrict new keys.
Perhaps everyone is just jealous of us & our HD2....
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Perhaps everyone is just jealous of us & our HD2....
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Sounds like thats the case.
link is dead anyways >.<
Ive been following pocketnow.com for years, very disappointed in them for forcing this and publishing this article.
F*CK you Anton D Nagy!!!!!
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link is dead anyways >.<
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-on-hacked-windows-phone-7-and-live-services
Everybody should leave a comment on the article to show how let down you feel with them/author.
TheATHEiST said:
Ive been following pocketnow.com for years, very disappointed in them for forcing this and publishing this article.
F*CK you Anton D Nagy!!!!!
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-on-hacked-windows-phone-7-and-live-services
Everybody should leave a comment on the article to show how let down you feel with them/author.
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I'm with you on this one.
As long as everyone is buying from the marketplace and not bloomin well ripping apps and side loading them, Microsoft will be happy, but alas with all things people feel the need to steal from others, Android is rife with piracy...
So I would imagine Microsoft would be very pleased with HD running WP7 and activating the Live services as they can get more revenue from the marketplace without having to support our devices in anyway.
JUST BUY SOME APPS people and we will be OK.
People always seems to immediately think just because you have cracked or hacked a device it means you are a pirate, this is not true
Tards at pocketnow grrr haters! Thats what they are!
Hmm they always been apple fanboyz, but this is it!
A little sidenote, if microsoft locks us out, I'll never ever buy a phone from them again. Customers will drop like flies, let's sit this one out.
One of the only results of the article is that more people will know about being able to flash the WP7 ROM on their HD2s. Microsoft was of course aware of the ROM and why the number of people asking for keys for WP7s increased. Microsoft surely had formulated their responses and policies on the situation long before pocketnow.com contacted them.
The only other result is more people can see what kind of outfit that site is.
Most likely this will have little effect on using the ROM or obtaining keys.
Yeah, I saw that article earlier. Was surprised they would press the issue, but you know journalists, they generally have no conscience, all they want is a story. Won't be supporting or recommending pocketnow from now on.
Think as a Microfoft guy. Some retards come and ask you if you are OK that your services are being hacked. Of course you will not say that you are OK with this. It's a completely different question if you will do something about it.
Although the term "hacking" is completely wrong here. We all have legitimate WP7 keys issued by MS. He have hacked NOTHING to get Live access. Some ppl even said honestly they have a HD2. The MS representative that gave me the key never asked me about my device btw.
Just see the matter from MS point of view: YOu have 10 000 or so Windows Mobile customers that have found a way to flash WP7 to their devices. Unfortunately for you these folks can also flash Android to their devices. What would you do? Shut them down and send them to Google?
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One of the only results of the article is that more people will know about being able to flash the WP7 ROM on their HD2s. Microsoft was of course aware of the ROM and why the number of people asking for keys for WP7s increased. Microsoft surely had formulated their responses and policies on the situation long before pocketnow.com contacted them.
The only other result is more people can see what kind of outfit that site is.
Most likely this will have little effect on using the ROM or obtaining keys.
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Pocketnow already has tons of articles telling people that HD2 has got WP7 now.
What they did by this article was just to get Microsoft to look into a matter which they were most likely deliberately ignoring!
Am totally disappointed by Pocketnow!
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Pocketnow already has tons of articles telling people that HD2 has got WP7 now.
What they did by this article was just to get Microsoft to look into a matter which they were most likely deliberately ignoring!
Am totally disappointed by Pocketnow!
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Yes, I am quite aware of the articles that pocketnow.com has put online about HD2s running WP7. Partly because of those articles, and because Microsoft does indeed monitor XDA-Developer posts, they were indeed aware of the port since the beginning, and they certainly were aware of why so many people have been trying to obtain keys.
I doubt that Microsoft was deliberately ignoring the situation, but had already formulated their policies. And, as another poster pointed out, how do you expect Microsoft to respond when asked by a publication about the situation?
Microsoft could have come out with a much tougher statement, but they did not, so I still maintain that the situation for those who use WP7 ROMS on the HD2s will not drastically change, and that Microsoft will not make a sudden change of course here.
MS were already looking into this. You don't get to be the biggest software company by not knowing what is going on with your business.
Everyone should just relax. I've had a few friends who have told MS that they are running WP7 on HD2 and they need an activation code. MS gave them one, no questions asked.
If MS wanted to stop us using WP7 then they would have blocked ALL services by now. The HD2 is such a small share of their market, do you think they care? Not really. More exposure for them and their OS.
Personally, I don't really care either way. It would cost MS a few bucks to actively exclude certain phones. It isn't worth their time or effort. WP7 is a new OS. Why would they want to limit exposure?
Pocketnow are in it for the money. Any news is GOOD news.....
For all the people saying that they are disappointed by PN.COM,
Here is the response from the writer:
Anton D. Nagy said:
"@Adam Bentley, @luke Flex
Thanks for the kind words!
I get it you're neither a developer with software in the Marketplace nor songwriter/artist/or part of a band with its Music up on Zune. I understand you're not even part of an OEM or carrier that builds or sells smartphones or communication services and I think you’re not part of the team that made Windows Phone 7 possible. Simply put, I don't think you're someone who earns anything from the activities above. Should I wish you that your work, whatever it is that you do, would end up hacked/plagiarized the same way someday? No, I will not!
If you think that Anton, or even pocketnow.com for that matter, can do anything to influence a company like Microsoft, you're a fool! If you think that Anton, or even pocketnow.com for that matter, brought Microsoft the terrible news that its platform and services got hacked, you're a fool again!
What I'm saying here -- and this will be in no way considered pocketnow.com’s position -- is that I don't really care about the opinions of readers like you! Not because of the "screw you" part because we're professionals, but because the words that express your inappropriate thoughts, because of the mentality. You think you deserve to have something just because it simply can be achieved or because you own an HTC HD2? You disrespect the thousands who’ve worked hard for software that runs on hardware designed and manufactured by other thousands. You disrespect your fellow community members who have legitimately bought Windows Phone 7 software running on Windows Phone 7 hardware. Last but not least, you disrespect other pocketnow.com readers that might agree with the things I said above."
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To my mind, this answer is just a kind of hypocrisy, bc I don't think Microsoft would be angry if some thousands of users would buy applications from the market, or even if some HD2 users would develop some apps (Microsoft claims that developers are needed and welcome).
In addition, remember that a lot of us (and me in particular) have bought HD2 only because it was the first phone that would have an update to WP7...
To my mind, it's just fair for us to have a port, even hacked, to WP7 !
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For all the people saying that they are disappointed by PN.COM,
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The tool obviously doesn't realise the 'hack' does not allow carte blanch access to any Marketplace software, but only to free apps.
Poor journalism. But I'm sure Anton/PN is going to get a few extra hits out of this.
the only ones who will benefit from it are pocketnow.com, obviously.
I suggest we don't give them the attention they so loudely cry for, because they will bring XDA down. They disrespect developers, not vice versa.
Whatever goes on, I don´t care at all.
Yes, I indeed was hoping that WP7 would be ported for our HD2. Unfortunately, MS and HTC both missed the chance to offer this upgrade officially. Just try to imagine if they would have done this: There is a big chance that some longtime WinMo users would move over to the new platform - just thanks to a trial possibility.
The thing is: I think 80% of all HD2 owners don´t flash their devices. Imagine the possible boost for WP7 if all those were offered to upgrade officially. Great customer satisfaction generates positive mouth-to-mouth advertising.
If they start to fight the "hack", I believe the opposite will happen: More former "core" WinMo "power users" than before will move on to Android and iOS, the first is more "open" and the second is nicely jailbroken, both offering a massive number of apps. The result for MS is not only negative mouth-to-mouth advertising (the worst scenario a company can suffer), but also loss of ROI since less potential users buy stuff from marketplace, less potential users decide to use paid "Live" services (such as XBox Gold membership, let alone maybe even new potential buyers of that gaming platform), etc.
MS could simply decide to stop giving codes for "unsupported" hardware. Then again, HD2 is so close to HD7 that they might consider this device as "compatible". If they are even more clever, they could offer a trial, just as many app providers do in the marketplace. I would actually be willing to pay a couple of bucks if I would decide to keep WP7 - which is not the fact as of today, mainly because the OS isn´t ready yet imho.