When I got "unlimited data" bundle with fair usage policy of 250MB, i thought it should be more than enough for a month. However, just checked my online orange account and i have already used all 250 mb with 10 days before the start of new month/bundle.
Used phone for browsing and youtube + emails. However, didn't anticipate that it will take 250mb. Now it seems a very small allowance. Any idea if I can still increase my package to 500MB ? (contract already 20 days old now - it was month 15 upgrade). or may be Orange will increase all unlimited bundles in near future ?
Secondly, is there a GPRS monitor for HD? I mean is there a way to monitor how much MBs of data has been used so far or being used by an application like youtube or during browsing? So that one can monitor his use.
Thanks
SPB have a GPRS monitor
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/?en
EDIT : I don't know if it works with the HD though - I assume it does.
omg that is really much.
i just upgraded my german vodafone tariff to 200 mb for the next month.
i hope that will be enough.
i think youtube takes a lot of traffic. especially when you activate high quality.
The reason I wanted to stay with T-Mobile UK.... it's 1GB fair usage policy.
The phone cost me more to get it on T-Mobile (Thru Expansys) but the 1GB was more valuable to me.
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SPB have a GPRS monitor
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/?en
EDIT : I don't know if it works with the HD though - I assume it does.
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SPB GRPS Monitor is now called SPB Wireless Monitor and works perfectly on the HD.
I used up 45mb in just a week with just basic browsing and emails, didnt even download anything yet.
I would cut down on YouTube, that's where the big usage goes. General browsing and stuff is generally next to nothing.
I just upgraded to this bundle. I was never sold it as 'unlimited' though? The lady explained it was a 250 meg package for £7.50, the next package down was 4 meg for £4!?!? bit of a difference!
After the 250 meg, what happens? You carry on with standard usage, £1.50 cap a day?
I use Opera mini on my M700/P3600 and so far in the last 3 weeks I've only used about 70Mb. I've probably browsed every day, sometimes for up to 4 or 5 hours constantly but mainly on forums and phone review sites. Does Opera Mini compress the pages more than the version that ships with the WM 6.1 phones?
1 youtube 2-3min video is about +/-10mb, that's a lot! i stopped watching youtube on my HD
I used 50MB in a couple of days after watching a couple of things on YouTube. Since then though I've only used around 10MB in email in occasional browsing.
Spb wireless monitor is brilliant. shows the breakdown of all data used through different channels. Ideal to monitor how much data ie being used. It showed em how much YOUTUBE cost. I guess that was the reason I managed to finish 250MB in 20 days.
Have to cut down on youtube now , though it is very addictive and I wish , Orange had a better data package with atleast 1gb.
luckey me i have 5gb free and after that they just cap the speed it still dosent cost anny extra
but i have used 3gb now since the 1st dec
i have questioned orange re exceeding fair usage and was informed on many occasions that i wont be charged but warned if im constantly exceeding my limit.
with o2 free unlimited web bolt on..... free unlimited land line bolt on...
happy days...
orange do an unlimited evening and weekend package for £5 a month with 1gb fair usage. also the £1.50 daily cap.
the unlimited 250 usage package they are offering at the moment is a joke. they sell the hd with this package but it expires after 3months anyway and then automatically puts you on the unlimited evening and weekends package.
i have my emails updating every two hours and am signed into msn most days, outside of the evening and weekend package with the daily cap my gprs charges have only been about £12 in a month.
From the day I got the Touch HD (Wednesday) to the Monday just gone, (so about 4 days), I have used 0.075MB.
Anyway, I asked and the guy said the 250MB is a guide. I suggested that if I used 260MB they wouldn't charge me, but a big excess in data usage would result in a flag of your account.
However, "excessive" hasn't been quantified yet.
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orange do an unlimited evening and weekend package for £5 a month with 1gb fair usage. also the £1.50 daily cap.
the unlimited 250 usage package they are offering at the moment is a joke. they sell the hd with this package but it expires after 3months anyway and then automatically puts you on the unlimited evening and weekends package.
i have my emails updating every two hours and am signed into msn most days, outside of the evening and weekend package with the daily cap my gprs charges have only been about £12 in a month.
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WHAT ???? Y would it expire after 3 months? 250MB/unlimited data bundle is part of the contract on Panther 45. (choice b/w Unlimited Landline, Unlimited Txts or 250MB Data). It is supposed to be for the whole length of the contract i.e., 18 months.
Are they using 250MB for guide only? But I have checked my online account on Orange and I am already been charged for like £1.6 + approx. for data use outside my package. I guess they are using 250MB limit strictly. However, to compete with other networks, they should really increase it.
orange are lame and stingy when it comes to data, i mean they got/had exclusive rights to the Touch HD: a multimedia communication device, designed to keep you connected, informed and updated; all of which require a data connection.
Yet their measly fair usage policy limits the potential of the device itself and disables you from using it for its true designed purpose.
My brother uses, youtube, internet (and many things that require a data connection) without even thinking about data usage and fair crappy usage policies on his iphone, o2 provide users of the iphone with an all you can eat buffet (another reason why iphone is doing well)
Orange is like those cheap short-haul airlines, everything extra costs you extra extra
Excuse me drifting off-topic ever so slightly, but can anyone tell me:
How fussy are Orange about the use of their 1GB off-peak service?
The small print seems to prohibit instant messaging, any kind of non-orange streaming etc.
Do they really make a fuss or block users for small amounts of such usage?
Do they block any ports?
- Steve
marcopolo007uk said:
The reason I wanted to stay with T-Mobile UK.... it's 1GB fair usage policy.
The phone cost me more to get it on T-Mobile (Thru Expansys) but the 1GB was more valuable to me.
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Ditto.
Loving the HD on T-Mobile.
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Hey guys, I checked my GPRS mobile usage on my o2 online bill and found out that my 5MB has been all used up and that i have run up a bill of an extra £3.47. Am i the only one that has started being charged for it or is the end of the "deal"?
Euan
i've just checked my unbilled usage on the o2 website and havent been charged for gprs yet
i got unlimited data for free from work (vodafone) today, so damn nice to stream SR Street etc etc..
how long have ya guys had free on o2?
nope no charges for me neither
"Free" GPRS was an introductory offer on Business Data Sense tariffs only (i.e. joint Voice/Data)- NOT Data5. It finished on Jan 31:-
Business Data Sense
O2 Business Data Sense is the standard data tariff available with O2 business voice tariffs for 2+ connections. Business Data Sense allows you to use our Mobile Web and Mobile Web VPN services and our DataLink solutions. O2 Active WAP browsing is free with Business Data Sense. Business Data Sense is currently free of charge until 31st January 2006. Use of Business Data Sense during the promotional period is subject to a fair use policy of 36 MB of data per month. If a customer exceeds 36 MB in a given month, we may ask the customer to reduce their usage of the service. If usage continues to exceed 36 MB per month, O2 may be required to move the user to another O2 data tariff. When charging commences on 1st February 2006, the first ½ Megabyte (MB) of Mobile Web / Data Bearer access is free each month, then after that access is priced at £1.80 per Mb.
To be fair it is actually swings and roundabouts and it is totally dependant upon your billing platform.
Which, as no one has stated which tariff they are actually on, makes this thread rather pointless :lol:
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Which, as no one has stated which tariff they are actually on, makes this thread rather pointless :lol:
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Bingo, you win this thread
I haven't been charged for use this month either and I am on bog standard O2 200.
Depending on whether you took it online or direct from a store then you'll get one of two seperate allowances.
1Mb for online customers.
100kb for store direct customers.
Oddly enough, I've been really abusing (by this I mean a LOT of usage) the GPRS for nearly 2 years now and I haven't been charged once. Not sure if tarrif makes any difference as I switched tarrifs a few times...
//Xi
Same as me, but I'm on a staff tariff, so I put it down to that.
Meh.
Hi,
i have started paying for unlimited Orange evening and weekend browsing for £5/month.
I am just wondering if the free data is for the orangeinternet access point, or is it just if you use the orangewap one. Also can I browse to any website, basically download apps etc, and not just restricted to Orange World site?
I am just afraid of building up a giant bill at the end of the month!
I use a Trinity with LVSW Rom 2.0.1.1.
Thanks
Be very afraid of running up a big bill - it is in fact extremely limited, with a monthly cap of 30Mb. That is fine if you are just browsing wap pages, but if you want to do anything like browse the 'real' internet, use something like google maps (which with built in GPS you may well want to), download music/video then it's useless.
I'm so disappointed with this offer - T-Mobile have a similar tarrif, yet their cap is 1Gb a month. I've been waiting for ages for Orange to offer something similar, so when I called them yesterday and was told about the cap, I didn't bother. A real shame because in all others ways I love the M700.
To answer your question though, when I asked the data was not limited to Orange world - the only thing you were not supposed to use it for was as a wireless modem for your laptop, although I don't know how they enforce this.
I think you are referring to the £8 pm anytime rate?
The £5 pm off peak is capped at 1GB, but no VOIP or Modem use allowed
Yes u r thinking of the £8 pm anytime rate.
£5 = Unlimted (1gb) between 7pm and 11:59
£8 = Anytime browsing (30mb)
Both exclude modem use !
I hope im rite, i work for Orange Retail.
Ah that's interesting - the Orange CS guy I spoke to yesterday seemed to think that they were both capped at 30Mb. If the evening and weekends one is 1Gb, that sounds more like it.
Do you know what the rate is for data outside of the evening and weekend period on the £5 bundle?
I would be interested to hear what other people have been told when calling Orange CS.
Thanks for that.
ill find the exact answers for both things.
If i can find time ill ring up the facts people for Orange and ask them directly. It beats CS people !
ewans said:
Ah that's interesting - the Orange CS guy I spoke to yesterday seemed to think that they were both capped at 30Mb. If the evening and weekends one is 1Gb, that sounds more like it.
Do you know what the rate is for data outside of the evening and weekend period on the £5 bundle?
I would be interested to hear what other people have been told when calling Orange CS.
Thanks for that.
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£3 per MB for 1st 15MB then £1 per MB thereafter (ie VERY expensive!!)
And you can't have more than one bundle on the account, so can't opt for unlimited Off Peak, plus 30MB daytime
kame1986 said:
Yes u r thinking of the £8 pm anytime rate.
£5 = Unlimted (1gb) between 7pm and 11:59
£8 = Anytime browsing (30mb)
Both exclude modem use !
I hope im rite, i work for Orange Retail.
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Are the "evening" hours not actually 19.00 to 07.00?
AFAIK the evening hours are 19:00 to 7:00 which run from Friday to Monday for the weekend part.
From all the info I have found the eve and w/end cap is 1Gb and for some bizarre reason the £8 unlimited cap is 30Mb.
I don't see the reasoning for imposing a tiny cap for daytime usage and a 1Gb cap for eve w/end. Why not just have the same cap for all packages?!
When I use Orange's web account services it allows me to add their daily capped bundle as I have their eve w/end bundle (on a 2 months trial). That means that I am only charged a maximum of £1.50 per day (which is still too much, but at least it's something). I was told by an Orange monkey that this daily cap is limited to 30Mb aggregate over the month and after that they start charging at their per Mb prices.
It's all a huge con, small print type stuff. Unless OFCOM grow some nuts and outlaw these so called "unlimited" deals the carriers will carry on as they are, ripping us all off.
£5 = Unlimted (1gb) between Mon - Fri 7pm and 7am Then as of Friday its 7am till Monday 7am.
£8 = Anytime browsing (30mb)
Both exclude modem use !
0-3Mb = £3
4-14MB = £2
15+MB = £1
This what read from the terms and conditions in the magazine !
Had my Hero on Orange for a few days now, and used loads of megabytes already! I installed NetCounter, and I'm using around 30 meg a day! Not sure what to do to be honest, installed Opera Mini and am using that for now, which saves a few meg, but I may need to get an additional bolt on! Any suggestions on how to save the megabytes? It would be silly to turn off all the widgets, as they'd half of what makes this phone so cool but there might not be much choice if you want to keep inside your allowance!
I find that I'm using 50-100 MB/day. Maybe it'll be less once the novelty wears off ;-)
You can switch off the "Always online" mode in the wireless settings. Or pay another 10GBP/mo for unlimited internet access...
I know its not very helpful...
I know its not very helpful, but that is half the reason I took my orange one back and got an upgrade on my T-Mobile contract which has a 3GB limit.
I did ask the Orange store guys and they said that you can buy extra 250MB allocations, can't remember exactly how much it was, but I don't remember it being that bad.
Also its worth bearing in mind that your data usage is likely to go down as you are likely to install less apps as you go. Of course I guess it depends on how often the authors update the apps that you have installed.
I would definitely keep a close eye on usage though, you don't want to start paying the £3 per MB tariff. And I guess trying to hookup to WiFi as often as possible would be a good idea.
I'm sure that if you get enough orange users together you might be able to pressure them into extra allowances as it could definitely hurt their sales if they get a bad rep for selling a phone without enough data allowance to use properly (this is why T-Mobile force you to take the upgraded data allowance package, less headaches for everybody all round).
Remember if you got an upgrade over the phone or online you have 7 days to return it (and swap to T-Mobile). If not I would start a new thread as a petition to Orange.
500Mb is not enough. I called Orange about this and said 500Mb is not a reasonable level of data with modern data based phones. She said she was unable to help and couldn't increase the amount of data on my account. So I'm using the recent T&C changes to get out of the Orange contract early and going to T-Mobile to get a Hero.
you can always ring Orange and check what they say in terms of the data you have used, mine is wildly under what my data counter is showing
you can get ann additional 1Gb bundle on orange, its £10 a month
think that's what I'm going to have to do... Disappointing that they don't sell a larger add on so I can use it as a modem too and not worry, eg a 3 gig bundle add on for £15.
you guys need to relax, lol the first few days i used a scary amount of data, but the novelty definately wears off now im uisng about 60mb a week as i mostly used wifi at home and i can steal carphone wearhouse wifi while im in work hehe. tbh i think 500mb is enough, altho 1gb would be nice and safe amount!
also ive heard that orange will let you off if you got over the 500mb they dont start charging right away. itso nly if you take the piss and go over by say 500mb evey month htye might charge you.
incorrect I'm afraid. Since Orange stopped advertising it as unlimited subject to fair use and started calling it 500mb they will charge you as soon as you go over.
I was concerned that 500MB was not going to be enough. T-Mobile offers 3GB. Much better.
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I was concerned that 500MB was not going to be enough. T-Mobile offers 3GB. Much better.
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Note sure if its 3GB maybe 1GB????
100 meg in an hour if you like to stream music to your phone. 200meg a day of you tether. 500 doesn't make me feel comfortable.
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Note sure if its 3GB maybe 1GB????
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I was told 3GB in the shop. I will check the T&Cs.
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I was told 3GB in the shop. I will check the T&Cs.
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They don't have a limit now, its just "Unlimited". When I spoke to T-Mobile, they removed the cap, but do have a fair usage amount, "within reason" what ever that means.
In the small print, the fair use is defined as 3GB, but if you somehow manage to go over that they won't do anything unless you constantly do or by a really excessive amount.
Ok. I checked my T&Cs and I have w&w+ which is 3GB and also allows tethering. Standard w&w says tethering is against T&Cs and is 1GB.
Or you have an unlimited data plan... I kept my plan after returning my Touch Diamond (introduced for a short while to counter iPhone madness) due to too may issues... Orange changed my handset and I kept the call plan.
Unlimited data is very relaxing to use... especially for tethering my then Nokia and using as a modem for my MacBook Pro.
Shame the Hero won't tether with my Mac
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500Mb is not enough. I called Orange about this and said 500Mb is not a reasonable level of data with modern data based phones. She said she was unable to help and couldn't increase the amount of data on my account. So I'm using the recent T&C changes to get out of the Orange contract early and going to T-Mobile to get a Hero.
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hi, what T&C changes - i would love to get out of my orange contract early - i have had a constant nightmare with them the last 6 wks over data charges on my hd touch phone
I've been on Vodafone for a week, and according to a text they just sent me, I have only used 30 MB of data. I'm pretty happy with that to be honest and might just ramp up my mobile usage. On the website however they do list every little fart you make. I have some things on the my Vodafone page where there is a usage of 9.1 KB.
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you can always ring Orange and check what they say in terms of the data you have used, mine is wildly under what my data counter is showing
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Could you tell me how to do this?
Just had unilimited internet for a couple of days. It is sooooooooo cool to be online all the time!
This is so far I did:
1) Activated hotmail email and messager txt message alert. So I can response to my email right away.
2) Installed Google Maps Mobile. The live traffic information is pretty accurate and very useful.
What else is good to have for my unlimited Internet?
$60 per month :0? I pay around $9 per month in Sweden :0
ouch
Rogers is $30 for 6gigs, which is a hell of a lot on my Diamond.
With push mail, weather, google streets, and occaisional tethering, never even been over 1 gig.
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Rogers is $30 for 6gigs, which is a hell of a lot on my Diamond.
With push mail, weather, google streets, and occaisional tethering, never even been over 1 gig.
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Good to know. Maybe next month I can switch to $45 package for 500M.
$60 i am paying not just for the data though, it includes 400 minutes weekdays and unlimited weedend and nights.
i had the unlimited internet with bell for two months and found out it wasent worth it, i now use the 25MB package and pay a hell of a lot less than what it came up to. $75 - $85 depending on my calls. but hey! it was worth the feeling of not being charged anything for a years worth of usage in a month!
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my usage in the two months of NON-STOP NET USAGE was not even 10 mb.
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my usage in the two months of NON-STOP NET USAGE was not even 10 mb.
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Try harder, i used 20mb just to update my RSS feeds after installing the reader...
Using Facebook most of the day together with E-mail and some chats i usually use atleast 10mb a day...
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Good to know. Maybe next month I can switch to $45 package for 500M.
$60 i am paying not just for the data though, it includes 400 minutes weekdays and unlimited weedend and nights.
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That's not bad at all.
What's the data portion of that? I thought Bell and Telus ere getting aggressive with the data rates?
All told my phone is about 120/month. But its a lot of options like unlimited incoming, 1000mins LD; voicemail to text, 400 weekday minutes; unlimited rogers to rogers, and 6gb data.
9€/month with 150MB traffic limit but unlimited time on most operators here in Portugal (optimus in my case).
MSN / Email checking use only a few kb's on communications, so if it wasn't for the battery drain, i would be online 24/7 with my TD1.
Btw, in my case, i have free voice, sms, mms and video calls to all optimus tags so it's great since like 50% of my contact list (and like 90% of my "common contacts") are tags... that means that I spent 0,00€ for each call (video, voice) or message (sms or mms)... 24/7... no limits
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Hello all,
Firstly, thanks for putting together and supporting such a fantastic resource for the HD2 (xda-developers)
Secondly, with all the debate on the worth of the HD2; I've had mine nearly a week and it's been an absolute joy so far. Only problem has been some audio/picture syncing issued on MP4 video. Best phone I've ever owned.
My main question: I have a Vodafone data plan with a fair usage policy of 500MB. What activities will cause me to chew that up fast. I understand that streaming Youtube is probably a big no no. I also read somewhere that the sattelite images on Google maps will eat a chunk. Whar about stuff like constant GPS positioning, does this sort of thing count? Any info appreciated.
Sam
1 - any video downloaded or streamed to your device (any)
2 - any audio downloaded or streamed to your device (purchases, internet radio etc)
3 - a somewhat distant third... regular visits to very large websites - not mobile optimized (full load of engadget 10+ times a day for example)
As said above- large media files streamed or downloaded are the biggest culprits.
All other stuff is small by comparison- Google Maps pages are around 100-300KB so you'd have to go some to use 500MB!
GPS positioning uses negligible data, though keeping GPS on would hammer the battery. Email polling only uses about 4MB per month in addition to the emails themselves. Graphics heavy web pages might use a bit, but even then you are unlikely to exceed your limit.
I don't use mine for any streaming or media downloads but do use it heavily for a lot of other online stuff and I've never used more than 100MB per month.
why dont you just get unlimited data? its only £5 a month.
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why dont you just get unlimited data? its only £5 a month.
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He's on Vodafone. Even their so-called Unlimited data is capped at 500MB
I have 200MB a month until my speed is capped but I never managed to reach 200MB (ok I don't use youtube or other streaming via my data-plan) but with normal usage (surfing, mails, rss, weather, quickgps) my plan is enough.
Thanks for the advice. Looks like, as long as I don't stream or download, I shouldn't have any trouble.
Slightly derailing the thread, but how do I turn off the GPS?
Actually, from what I've observed so far, you don't have to turn off the GPS. It goes to sleep by itself when you don't use it and wakes up when you need it (launch a program that requires it) that's when it will make a data connection and as said before the data exchanged with the server is very limmited (less than 1kb)
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He's on Vodafone. Even their so-called Unlimited data is capped at 500MB
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so its being mis-sold then? hmm
It's in the small print.
I kicked up a bit of a fuss when I spoke to Vodafone about their Limited/unlimited data plan. They said you can go over, but don't do it on a regular basis.
You'll get a few 'yellow cards' first.
You can YouTube some stuff, but don't make it habitual.
I'm on Vodafone Ultd internet, i use youtube and BBC iplayer a fair bit. no problems so far.. Had it month and a half.
im on vodafone business, im on 500MB capped, (although they didn't re-apply it properly when i upgraded my phone so ive been charged £380 on my last bill!! Ill be claiming that back) Its a bit of a rip off., £7.50/mnth for 500MB (extra charged at 60p/MB!!) or £20 for 5GB
I Just changed to Tmobile who have a 1gb max on the unlimited. I stuck to my guns saying that I made heavy use of you tube etc, they upgraded it to 3gb maximimum with no extra charge.
Unusually helpful for a mobile company, must have got them on a good day.
BTW it is on one of their new 30 day contracts and I was arranging three of them for me and two friends. The extra 2gb was only offered on one of the phones (mine of course!!!)